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Apparently it's as relevant as RDM at the moment.

I meant it's trolling with the name, not that I'm upset about it.

Edit: And everyone knows RDM doesn't have toes! We traded them for fabulous boots, I'll have you know.

Edited, Jun 29th 2012 5:19pm by Aliekber

Hilt up makes them easier to pull out if you want to move them, but hilt down is better for keeping those rascal kids out of the vegetable garden, so it's a win either way.

Didn't you get the memo? You're not allowed to talk about RDM unless you're making fun of them or the people who want to improve the job.

Personally, the introduction of new jobs doesn't bother me much. Seeing things that RDMs have requested over the years taking shape in other jobs has been a bit of a head-scratcher at times. Diffusion/Accession/Manifestation stand out as some examples here with aspects of the job the community, I dare say, is "okay with" using in a party.

A pox upon you if you dare to positively associate the job with the M-word, though. And yes, I see no shortage of people goading or gloating. This isn't 2005 anymore. All the evil, dirty things every RDM apparently did back then to make someone's life miserable don't matter anymore. And holding the class to that is pretty effin' petty.



Quoting just because I'm sure someone just wants to think I'm imagining things.

It must have been written on the back of the "EVERY THREAD MUST BE TURNED INTO A RED MAGE BITCH THREAD" memo that went out a few years ago.

uhmmm... its 暗黒騎士
ankoku kishi


Kishi is Knight.
Ankoku is Darkness

Actually, in Japanese it is Paladin that is referred to simply as "Knight." ナイト. As mentioned before, DRK is "Darkness Knight" 暗黒騎士.

you thought pld was "darkness knight" ?

Unlocking aside, my first impression that a TP-based healer would be useless in anything that can put up a fight was 100% accurate. It briefly was acceptable in Abyssea, but only because Abyssea is more about running around killing stuff quickly, and even in Abyssea didn't have any useful procs since new jobs got totally screwed on weapon types and, let's face, it you were bringing a THF.

Most fun job in the game. Totally useless for anything other than screwing around.

Edited, Jun 30th 2012 2:50pm by Erecia

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I main healed all the time on Dancer back in the day. Everyone would be scared that a dancer couldn't heal a party, but it totally worked. It didn't work so well on endgame mobs, just 'cause everything was impossible to hit without a bard.

Low man? Worked fine as both a tank and a healer. Solo? You bet. I dunno why people only gauge a job by it's ability to perform in the biggest 18-man fights around... I spent maybe 5% of my time doing those, at best, even in a fulltime endgame shell...

It's also weird to me that in a game so heavily skewed towards haste spam, a job which provides yet another party-haste gets seen as useless in big fights... especially considering that, once everyone is good and buffed, that last 10% haste can be gamebreaking to anything but DRK (just 'cause DRK caps JA haste on its own).

Then you have another -13% defense that stacks with every other def. down, and up to -34 evasion (Desperate Flourish + Quickstep 5/5) back when accuracy was actually relevant and 80%~ acc was considered the norm...

Honestly, I think Dancer was, and is, vastly underrated. It suffers from the fact that its contribution is not blatantly obvious. If a bard gives you march and minuet, you see the little icons and think "Aha, that's why I'm strong." If a Dancer gives a party haste and lowers the enemies defense, people just assume they're swinging fast WSing hard because they're good or lucky.

It's the same reason that so many people never realized how much a difference a quick Dia II could make. I feel like Dancer wasn't really meant to fill the healer role at endgame... it was meant to debuff the mob and provide more almighty haste.

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And it ended up changing the game... as a subjob. A JA-based heal that could not be interrupted (but was on some IMHO harsh shared timers) and depended on easily-replenished TP instead of precious MP (SE was really stingy with Refresh up until FoV books and still has been). I started in 2008 on WHM and did a lot of solo, and learned how to time spells (it's still not easy), so in the end I found it inferior and much more fiddling, especially at low levels vs /WHM with book Refresh, and I've tended to play jobs with low damage output that really need their WS to get things done. But I'm in the minority.

I was just starting the game in 2008, but I could see that people were learning about /DNC and the BYOH party style. (They called it "TP burn".) But it marked a change from the rigid Tank DD DD DD Healer Buffer style with lots of /NIN to an "everybody sub something that can heal" casual style.

DNC solo can do some pretty good stuff, but DNC became a standard subjob. Adding dual wield just made it more so.


And it was inferior for one reason: Refresh. MP recovery made RDM's Cure IV that was sustainable over a long time superior to WHM's Cure V but needing to take a knee in every possible moment and possibly breaking exp chains. In ToAU endgame events you had to move around a lot and there were time limits; WHM was completely useless in a high-speed situation like that.


I enjoy playing WHM in events (but not the "back of the bus" meripo/camp exp stuff, too boring), so it's nice to bypass all this "must have super empy relic" crap in shouts

And I'm good enough at it that It really bugged me yesterday at La Theine worms when WHMs would drop Cure V/VI bombs on me when I was at like 60% health. (I just had moments where Soulsoother would derp up. I wondered if one guy even had Cure IV at all.) An important thing about WHM is knowing which cure you need to get someone to 90%. I have that WHM "spidey sense". Even with /WHM it bugs me to see someone with black in their HP bar.

Yeah this thread is getting boring

People actually believed DNC would be female only. People like to jump to their own conclusions and over react to things. Just wait til they are released to see what they can do before freaking out.

Went on vacation and then power went out for days or I would have responded sooner, but my quote from the new ROM thread from 2 weeks ago stands:



keflynmahon called it.

I'm happy because we're getting some new, unseen playable content.

I'll probably try out both jobs simply because SE has a new job bias and tends to make new jobs stronger in certain respects. I am anticipating that they will introduce content which requires and/or is made significantly easier by one of these 2 jobs. The bonus is that they look fun to play. Yes, that is the order that I look at jobs I want to level. Yes, I do not believe I'm a special snowflake and that everyone should cater to my unique way that I want to play the game.

The Geomancer's AF looks more like FF3's Sage.

Edit: I wonder if RNF is going to get Cele's Runic ability? It could work like 3rd Eye except with magic. The user absorbs the next spell aimed at the user (or party?)

Edited, Jul 4th 2012 10:08pm by SilentRip

It's funny how something will crop up again after a week or two.

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That hat is stylin', you just jelly.

You are bored, aren't you?