New Jobs Revealed - General Discussion *Updated*Follow

Quick low res screen shots I took.

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Edited, Jun 23rd 2012 10:23pm by jtftaru

The ones that wanna have a high damage rating of course.

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Dammit.

They really want me back, don't they?

Hume male:

The expansion won't be coming out till 2013, so at the very least you'll have six months before you feel the need to hit that button. :p

Now you're here I'll leave you to quote yourself. :)

My original character name was Lenneth, I know the feeling. Then Fairy got merged and I had to change names >=/

I definitely want to try both but Rune Fencer will probably be priority.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2012 8:26pm by Shouta

Build a fence out of runes.

It could look like Stone Henge.

Wow, my guess on page 1 was pretty spot on. I never expected something like Rune..fencer though.

On that note, I officially logged back into the game today. I have so much crap in my inventory right now I don't even know why half of it was there to begin with.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2012 11:56pm by Zafire

And then Silmeria would kick you in the shins.

Are the official abbreviations known yet? I imagined they'd become GEO & RUN.

In some of the other forums, someone abbreviated Geomancer as GMC so it kept me wondering — the letter combinations seemed rather odd to me. Then, again, Dancer got DNC, and not DAN, so it could go either way for the new jobs.

I still wish BLU was abbreviated as BUM.

Close enough.

BLU's magic spells blow too. Their good ones are weapon skills that take mp instead of tp. And nowadays BLU's just use spells for job traits and spam chant du cygne as fast as possible, anyway, just casting to self skillchain every couple minutes.

If it's using some kind of new magic to tank, it might be useful, but otherwise.... eh. It'll be useful after a year of updates and adjustments.

Well.... with Tanaka leaving there is a good chance thing will work out better. He worshiped the status quo which is what resulted in all the stagnation and messed up game play. Since this expansion is sloted to be released after this retirement we can hope that the dev team will get everything working.

I honestly see these 2 jobs as a response to people who wanted a RDM who could enfeeble better and a RDM who could DD better. Rather then make RDM some insane hybrid of magic dmg, magic healing, tankning, DDing, enhancing, enfeebling etc they instead made 2 new classes which the community could go to if they want to fulfil the role of "RDM melee" you play Rune Fencer which is prolly why they called it Fencer rather then Knight lol.

With that in mind though I wonder what'll they'll do to make RDM it's own thing again since some of the abilities listed for GEO do seem to overlap RDM quite a bit. Time will tell though how that changes but it should be interesting.

Ok so I sat down and thought about these new jobs and this is what I have come up with based on what we know so far:

Geomancer

The job focuses on supporting party members and debuffing mobs through the use of Geomancy which is a new form of magic. This will be done through the use of a sphere effect. Since there isn't a name for this effect I am just going to say sphere's. These Spheres can be placed on the Geomancer which allow them to run over to party members and give them certain buffs such as Regen, Refresh, Regain, Attack+, Defense+ (Oddly enough Haste isn't included). These spheres will have HP and deplete over time and if they are hit with AoE's from the mob they will be destroyed.

They also have the ability to leave spheres planted on the ground to give other party members effects so long as they are within the radius of the sphere. Also, GEO will be able to plant these Spheres near mobs for Slow, Paralyze, Magic Defense Down, and Evasion Down.

What this means is the job will move around a lot similar to bard. In a traditional party (This is just an example we know these kind of parties don't really exist anymore) a GEO might start off a fight placing a debuff sphere planting it near the mob. Then they might plant a Sphere near the melees for Att+ and then cast a refresh Sphere on themselves and move back near the mages.

We also know that GEO's will be able to use Black Magic. They will have a B- in the arts and will only be able to cast up to Tier IV, so they will more than likely learn elemental spells close to or at the same level that RDM learns. Secondly, they will be able to make use of the -ja line and I suspect that they will learn them earlier than BLM's. GEO's will also get a "Polarity" job trait that gives a bonus based on the direction they are casting from in relation to the mob. I expect this trait to give bonuses as GEO gains more tiers. For example Polarity I will give 10% MAB when casting from the North of a mob and Polarity II will give 15% so on and so forth.

So GEO has Elemental Magic, but what about Geomancy Skill? Well since SE said that GEO enfeebles will not be resisted, what is the point of leveling it up? I think that Geomancy skill will affect the length (HP) and potency of the spheres.

Rune Fencer

This one is a little difficult because there wasn't much information given.
Shouta was able to translate what was being said about Rune Fencer:
"By using their abilities, they gain the power of a rune. There are two types of Runes, Elemental Runes and Enchant runes."
From the artwork we saw for Rune Fencer, it looks like they were imbuing power into their swords. This could be anything from a new line of enspells or just specific buffs.
People are suggesting that Rune Fencer will be a tank job and I can see this happening if it is implemented properly. We just need to wait and see.

From their website
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/event/vanafest2012/#Anc_2



Basically take the melee self buffs from RDM and put them on a job that has better skill / gear selection.

I actually think this is a very good thing for red mage. At the end of the day it is the original hybrid job. So, it's hanging out blus pups schs smn and cor. And cor isn't as much of a hybrid as the others for that matter. Now that the bar may be set higher in most categories for red mage(besides enfeebs) this opens up square to start adjusting red mage a lot more without it loosing that light of a hybrid. So just like they said when the best melee job subject got out of hand "it's a hybrid job, it's not meant to be the best at anything."


Anyways geomancer sounds extremely limited to me. A handful of enfeebs 2 other jobs already have, only 1 unique one. A couple of buffs all of which we already have specialism in(refresh rdm, regen sch, regain cor. Although I can see them being better at regain then sch). Nuking abilities without the last line of nukes. No natural ability to cure, Yeah... It looks like it's going to concentrate on nuking so I don't know why red mages feel threaten by it. If Rune turns out to be an enhancing specialist and magic defense tank I would welcome it with open arms. Since both categories are missing specialist.(I mean enhancing magic by the way, not a buffing specialist since we have 2) All their buffs seem to be self only and the only ability they are nabbing from red mage is an enspell that also has some bar spell properties so really it's taking it to the next level. I am gonna bet these newer enspells will properly sit around 2 and red mage will get an even stronger offensive only one(Yay t3 in the 80s to 90s?) is my bet. But that's just a guess on my part. So these jobs reflect one aspect of yours and suddenly red mage is dead.

To me it only highlights the fact red mage is a hybrid. It now will have abilities from... How many different non hybrid jobs? This is why I think this is a good thing for red mage, it will re-shine a light on their versitality and hopefully cause square to enhance that so they can nip on the toes of these new jobs and older ones they take from and finally shine as a hybrid. Also, as an aside, one thing I really noticed about red mage is it's probably the fastest adjusting hybrid in the game. No spell lock outs(blu) having to change pets(pup smn) or fussing with job abilities(sch) and that's an edge that many don't consider.

P.S. I am not saying red mage doesn't need to be buffed I just don't see this as the death of red mage. I see it as an opportunity.

If you're talking high-end enemies, CDC with full buffs, /war and appropriate job traits set outperforms spells due to lackluster attack and no good ways to boost it.

inb4 gusgen and crawler's nest full of GEO and RNF, then it's off to Abyssea

Is it wrong that I am more courious as to the implications as to what these jobs can have on the Subjob market than I am at the concept of the jobs themselves.

Granted, if I do return I will likely take Rune Fencer up. However if Rune Fencer has strong hate generating/damage reduction tools that can be used as a subjob, this may help the overly narrow tanking market and open up gameplay some.

A big crux of this will depend on if Rune Fencer's magical defense taking extends to defending allies from AoEs, as that's a primary source of monster damage these days. If they're capable of it, however, PD spamming may become unnecessary.

Magic Defense =/= Fanatic's Drink, Silly.

This is a new type of tank, try to think OUTSIDE the box.