I completed the Martial Mastery quest, got the key item "Heart of the bushin", traded in 15 merit points while on my Puppetmaster, and got the advanced weaponskill Shijin Spiral. Can you only do this for one job? I'm trying to do this on my Beastmaster, I have the axe skill over 357, I have the 15 merit points - but the damn moogle just gives me the talk about how merit points work. As I look over the wiki on Martial Mastery it says the quest is not repeatable . . . So, only one job? Srsly? AmIdoingitwrong?
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As far as I can remember, you complete the quest once and then all of the weapon skills eligible would show up white in your "Weapon Skills" category within the merit point menu. Sorry if this is wrong though, it's really late where I am and I'm quite tired.
Edited, May 25th 2012 11:08pm by Heybunny
Edited, May 25th 2012 11:08pm by Heybunny
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Heybunny, you're right. I just found this out - in my moghouse in my merit point pull-down menu at the bottom. I assumed the moogle dispensed since that's what happened first time . . . but no, moghouse! Thanks.
The limit is 3 of them at level 5, however. So pick them wisely. I'm still not sure what I want as my third now that I've maxed out Upheaval and Exentorator...
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The limit is 3 of them at level 5, however. So pick them wisely. I'm still not sure what I want as my third now that I've maxed out Upheaval and Exentorator...
Doesn't the max equal 15, divided up however you want? Like you could do 5 at 3, or 12 at 1 and one at 3? A total of 15 levels, total?
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catwho wrote:
The limit is 3 of them at level 5, however. So pick them wisely. I'm still not sure what I want as my third now that I've maxed out Upheaval and Exentorator...
Doesn't the max equal 15, divided up however you want? Like you could do 5 at 3, or 12 at 1 and one at 3? A total of 15 levels, total?
Except the weaponskills themselves aren't worth anything unless you max them out. The damage, until you get to level 5, isn't any better than (and mostly worse than) any existing weaponskill you've already got for that weapon.
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catwho wrote:
The limit is 3 of them at level 5, however. So pick them wisely. I'm still not sure what I want as my third now that I've maxed out Upheaval and Exentorator...
Doesn't the max equal 15, divided up however you want? Like you could do 5 at 3, or 12 at 1 and one at 3? A total of 15 levels, total?
Except the weaponskills themselves aren't worth anything unless you max them out. The damage, until you get to level 5, isn't any better than (and mostly worse than) any existing weaponskill you've already got for that weapon.
Which is a yes, then, right?
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
catwho wrote:
The limit is 3 of them at level 5, however. So pick them wisely. I'm still not sure what I want as my third now that I've maxed out Upheaval and Exentorator...
Doesn't the max equal 15, divided up however you want? Like you could do 5 at 3, or 12 at 1 and one at 3? A total of 15 levels, total?
Except the weaponskills themselves aren't worth anything unless you max them out. The damage, until you get to level 5, isn't any better than (and mostly worse than) any existing weaponskill you've already got for that weapon.
Which is a yes, then, right?
Yes, its a yes.
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
catwho wrote:
The limit is 3 of them at level 5, however. So pick them wisely. I'm still not sure what I want as my third now that I've maxed out Upheaval and Exentorator...
Doesn't the max equal 15, divided up however you want? Like you could do 5 at 3, or 12 at 1 and one at 3? A total of 15 levels, total?
Except the weaponskills themselves aren't worth anything unless you max them out. The damage, until you get to level 5, isn't any better than (and mostly worse than) any existing weaponskill you've already got for that weapon.
Which is a yes, then, right?
It's a "yes" with the caveat, "But why would you want to do that?"
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svlyons wrote:
Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
Altair wrote:
Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
catwho wrote:
The limit is 3 of them at level 5, however. So pick them wisely. I'm still not sure what I want as my third now that I've maxed out Upheaval and Exentorator...
Doesn't the max equal 15, divided up however you want? Like you could do 5 at 3, or 12 at 1 and one at 3? A total of 15 levels, total?
Except the weaponskills themselves aren't worth anything unless you max them out. The damage, until you get to level 5, isn't any better than (and mostly worse than) any existing weaponskill you've already got for that weapon.
Which is a yes, then, right?
It's a "yes" with the caveat, "But why would you want to do that?"
I was looking for a specific piece of information, not saying "I want to do that".
Some people might not know that you can do more then 3 weapon skills, and I was just making sure I was correct in thinking/saying that you can.
EDIT: Also, it was a yes without a yes
Edited, May 26th 2012 9:52am by stupidmonkey
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The only time I can even think of only unlocking a WS and not going all the way is Entropy (Scythe)
If you want to kill sh*t you will get 5/5 Reso all ready for DRK, Entropy only exists to give you your mp back. Sadly though you if you skimp by with 1/5 on tat WS you're still going to have to give another WS only 4/5...which would such for something you actually want to hit hard.
In the long run, pick three WSs and 5/5 them.
If you want to kill sh*t you will get 5/5 Reso all ready for DRK, Entropy only exists to give you your mp back. Sadly though you if you skimp by with 1/5 on tat WS you're still going to have to give another WS only 4/5...which would such for something you actually want to hit hard.
In the long run, pick three WSs and 5/5 them.
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In the long run, you only need one of Resolution, Stardiver, or Shoha for whichever of those three raw DDs you have.
Then you can spend the other ten points on whatever. I have 5/5 Entropy for 2-4 /DNC solo and other junk and there's still really nothing else to take for my lineup until I get COR up to snuff to take Last Stand. Maybe Realmrazer for echoes e-peen PLD in Abyssea?
Then you can spend the other ten points on whatever. I have 5/5 Entropy for 2-4 /DNC solo and other junk and there's still really nothing else to take for my lineup until I get COR up to snuff to take Last Stand. Maybe Realmrazer for echoes e-peen PLD in Abyssea?
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I'm solidly invested in Reso and Last Stand but I'm torn between 5/5 Entropy for completionism on DRK and 5/5 Ruinator for BST. But my BST is pure garbage and I'm assuming Rampage will be fine since I'm half assing everything on that job lol.
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Busaman wrote:
I'm solidly invested in Reso and Last Stand but I'm torn between 5/5 Entropy for completionism on DRK and 5/5 Ruinator for BST. But my BST is pure garbage and I'm assuming Rampage will be fine since I'm half assing everything on that job lol.
If completionism means, "I'm probably never going to use it," then you may want to go with Ruinator. Ruinator should give your BST a boost, regardless of how aweful a shape it's in. Unless you only ever use your BST in Abyssea, in which case you probably will only ever use Rampage.
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My only use of BST is Abys solo and soon Dynamis solo. In that situation with AH gear will 4/5 Ruinator seriously outperform Rampage?
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Busaman wrote:
My only use of BST is Abys solo and soon Dynamis solo. In that situation with AH gear will 4/5 Ruinator seriously outperform Rampage?
At 4/5 honestly who knows. It won't in Abyssea. But in dynamis 5/5 ruinator does around 2k everytime. While rampage you're lucky to hit 1k.
Edited, May 28th 2012 5:55pm by Telaki
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Busaman wrote:
My only use of BST is Abys solo and soon Dynamis solo. In that situation with AH gear will 4/5 Ruinator seriously outperform Rampage?
Why 4/5? Is that last merit tied up in a WS with only 1/5?
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Well my problem is that I want to leave 1/5 for entropy for emergency MP. So only 4/5 Ruinator is possible for me. If it beats Rampage in that form in Dynamis then I would consider it.
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Well my problem is that I want to leave 1/5 for entropy for emergency MP. So only 4/5 Ruinator is possible for me. If it beats Rampage in that form in Dynamis then I would consider it.
Ruinator is a fantastic weaponskill. It will still outperform Rampage outside abyssea at 4/5 merits. Rampage only outperforms Ruinator in abyssea with all the crit+ atma. Ruinator actually has higher damage potential inside abyssea as well, but its usually not preferable because you lose too much in the melee damage.
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Busaman wrote:
Well my problem is that I want to leave 1/5 for entropy for emergency MP. So only 4/5 Ruinator is possible for me. If it beats Rampage in that form in Dynamis then I would consider it.
Ruinator is a fantastic weaponskill. It will still outperform Rampage outside abyssea at 4/5 merits. Rampage only outperforms Ruinator in abyssea with all the crit+ atma. Ruinator actually has higher damage potential inside abyssea as well, but its usually not preferable because you lose too much in the melee damage.
Hopefully people are still watching this as I have one more question. I love playing DRK in VW and anything else people will let me bring it to, COR for VW invites to 16/18 groups shouting(aparently no one else @#%^ing likes COR today), RDM and BLM ass needed. If you plan on taking BST for Dynamis farming and possibly NIN strictly for Seal/+2 item farming, what WSs would you merit?
Keep in mind I would "like" to keep:
5/5 Resolution
5/5 Last Stand
1/5 Entropy
Would 4/5 be more useful in Katana or Axe compared to standard/quested/nyzul WSs? Or am I ultimately going to be sad with results and have to throw Entropy out the window.
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Busaman wrote:
Hopefully people are still watching this as I have one more question. I love playing DRK in VW and anything else people will let me bring it to, COR for VW invites to 16/18 groups shouting(aparently no one else @#%^ing likes COR today), RDM and BLM ass needed. If you plan on taking BST for Dynamis farming and possibly NIN strictly for Seal/+2 item farming, what WSs would you merit?
Keep in mind I would "like" to keep:
5/5 Resolution
5/5 Last Stand
1/5 Entropy
Would 4/5 be more useful in Katana or Axe compared to standard/quested/nyzul WSs? Or am I ultimately going to be sad with results and have to throw Entropy out the window.
Keep in mind I would "like" to keep:
5/5 Resolution
5/5 Last Stand
1/5 Entropy
Would 4/5 be more useful in Katana or Axe compared to standard/quested/nyzul WSs? Or am I ultimately going to be sad with results and have to throw Entropy out the window.
As far as NIN, if you're going to mostly use it in Abyssea, you'll be fine with Jin and don't need to merit Shun.
Edited, May 29th 2012 11:22pm by svlyons
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Consider the value of Empy WS too. This is why I mention DRK, DRG, and SAM because their Empy WS are relatively crap (meaning sidegrade or worse). How much will a partially merited Merit WS benefit you over just putting some time in for the Empy WS for that job. BST is the only one that really comes to mind actually.
But you may as well drop the 1/5 Entropy because you probably won't be using a scythe anyway (what are you gonna use, Guillotine?), especially after you finish OAT GS, such that the MP recovery would never be an option. As I said I have 5/5 for 2-4 Scythe, same doesn't apply to vanilla.
Edited, May 29th 2012 7:26pm by Raelix
But you may as well drop the 1/5 Entropy because you probably won't be using a scythe anyway (what are you gonna use, Guillotine?), especially after you finish OAT GS, such that the MP recovery would never be an option. As I said I have 5/5 for 2-4 Scythe, same doesn't apply to vanilla.
Edited, May 29th 2012 7:26pm by Raelix
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What is all this talk about putting 1/5 on Entropy? You dont need to put any merits to the WS to unlock them, if I'm not totally mistaken.
To get any of the new weaponskills, just do the quest Martial Master, and attain the skill level to use WS.
Somebody please fix me if this is not so.
Edited, May 30th 2012 12:04pm by Scalor
To get any of the new weaponskills, just do the quest Martial Master, and attain the skill level to use WS.
Somebody please fix me if this is not so.
Edited, May 30th 2012 12:04pm by Scalor
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What is all this talk about putting 1/5 on Entropy? You dont need to put any merits to the WS to unlock them, if I'm not totally mistaken.
To get any of the new weaponskills, just do the quest Martial Master, and attain the skill level to use WS.
To get any of the new weaponskills, just do the quest Martial Master, and attain the skill level to use WS.
You do have to have it at least 1/5 to use it. You'll still get the "Character learns Fancy Looking WS!" message when you hit the proper skill level I think, but it won't actually be available for use if it's not merited.
Scalor wrote:
What is all this talk about putting 1/5 on Entropy? You dont need to put any merits to the WS to unlock them, if I'm not totally mistaken.
To get any of the new weaponskills, just do the quest Martial Master, and attain the skill level to use WS.
Somebody please fix me if this is not so.
Edited, May 30th 2012 12:04pm by Scalor
To get any of the new weaponskills, just do the quest Martial Master, and attain the skill level to use WS.
Somebody please fix me if this is not so.
Edited, May 30th 2012 12:04pm by Scalor
No, you need to put merits into them in order to actually unlock them. The quest gives you the extra category in your merit list, but that's it, and in order to actually merit one of the new weaponskills, you need to have sufficient skill (357 skill) in that weapon. Before 357 for that weapon, it won't allow you to merit the weaponskill associated with it, and thus cannot unlock it.
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No, you need to put merits into them in order to actually unlock them. The quest gives you the extra category in your merit list, but that's it, and in order to actually merit one of the new weaponskills, you need to have sufficient skill (357 skill) in that weapon. Before 357 for that weapon, it won't allow you to merit the weaponskill associated with it, and thus cannot unlock it.
Nah, you can put merits into the WS as soon as you have a compatible job for it at level 96 or above. Just can't actually use the WS until you have reached the appropriate skill level, obviously.
Got 5/5 Realmrazer and Shattersoul on my WHM alt already (out of a sheer lack of anything else to blow her merits on) and her club and staff skills are still around 100 or so
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No, you need to put merits into them in order to actually unlock them. The quest gives you the extra category in your merit list, but that's it, and in order to actually merit one of the new weaponskills, you need to have sufficient skill (357 skill) in that weapon. Before 357 for that weapon, it won't allow you to merit the weaponskill associated with it, and thus cannot unlock it.
Nah, you can put merits into the WS as soon as you have a compatible job for it at level 96 or above. Just can't actually use the WS until you have reached the appropriate skill level, obviously.
Got 5/5 Realmrazer and Shattersoul on my WHM alt already (out of a sheer lack of anything else to blow her merits on) and her club and staff skills are still around 100 or so
Ahh, I stand corrected on that. Never tried meriting one of the weaponskills when I didn't already have the 357 skill required. I just assumed that it wouldn't let you merit it till after you had the skill needed.
Still stands though that merits are needed to unlock them.
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Still stands though that merits are needed to unlock them.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. Wiki was a bit unclear on the matter.
Edited, May 30th 2012 12:46pm by Scalor
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