Enchanter AA'sFollow

Given that i finally seem to have discovered the ability to level very late on in my EQ career, i was sat by the worlds most xp friendly mushroom loooking at my AA choises...

There is an endless choice these days and i am unsure as to what is attualy REQUIRED rather nice to have, from tier 2 onwards (got the first 6 out of the way.)

I am looking at reinforcement but it doesn't seem to fit the "required" section, neither does Fury since i hardly ever nuke unless the group is very good.

That leaves Mastery, Focus and subtlety before i get the ones i really want (DC and Gather Mana).

Some help from the Chanter community would be nice.

Someone want to translate that into a form of english please..

QMGB3: Quick Mass Group Buff (not unless you raid and it's required)
ER3: Eldritch Rune (Highly recomended self rune that helps in those 'oh noes' times)
SCM: Spell Casting Mastery (recomended mana preservation aa)
SCRM: Spell Casting Reinforcment (extends buffs only if you raid really)
QB2 (will cut down cast time of runes): Quick Buff (I would wait on this as you can only get 50% max anyways you'll get more out of other aas)
GM (hastened a +): Gather Mana : (basically a instant full mana very usefull the hastened gather aas make the recast time down to an hour and a half I think)
MC3: Mental Clarity (required for Gather Mana and it adds 3 mana regen which doesn't count against the worn cap)
Mystical Attuning5 (for extra buff slots, really NEED this imo): DO NOT GET THIS UNLESS YOU RAID. Even then you'll get more out of other aas first.
TD3 : Total Domination (I only recomend this if you charm a lot it will help so they don't break early).
Blur AA's: This is very very low on the aa list You'll get much more out of other aas long before I recomend getting this one. I wouldn't get these until you have at least 500 aas

Ya i just copied and pasted from our equirement list for chanters =p like i said i don't know much about them AA wise =p

Here is a older thread about How folks would respend their 1st 150 aaxp.
http://www.therunes.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3852

Here is one on definition of our aaxp.
http://www.therunes.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=361

This one is broken up via which pathyou want to take. (Raid, Solo via Charm, Survival, Balance, etc.)
http://www.therunes.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8186

OOW aaxp
http://www.therunes.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6444

DoD aaxp
http://www.therunes.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8326

My persoanl choice which I stole from somewhere (but have forgotten who to give credit too) and modified slightly but this is the basic path I took (am taking) However note this list is pre-DoD. I placed the Avoidance and instant rune at the of my list when that came out before working in deep sleep and Gift of Mana into the rest of my list.

Must haves
Mnemonic Retention (3 AA)
Eldrich Rune 1 2 3 (9 AA)
Run 3
Another 3 General AA (metabolism, regen or something else)
Spell Casting Mastery L 3.

Top-teir AA: (very good price:performance ratio)
Quick Buff L 1 (3 AA)
Doppleganger L 1 (3 AA)
Combat Agility
Lightning Reflexes
Planar Power (Cha cap -- buy it as your cha hits the cap, 10 AA)
Mental Clarity L 1 (2 AA)
Spell Casting Subtility L 1 2 3 (12 AA)
Mind Over Matter L 1 (3 AA)
Stasis L 1 (3 AA)
Natural Durablity 1 2 3 (12 AA)
Channeling Focus L 1 (2 AA)
Perm Illusion (4 AA)
Enhanced Forgetfulness L 1 (3 AA)
Soothing Words L 1 (3 AA)

Second-run AA: (decent price:performance)
Mental Clarity 2 3 and Gather Mana (15 AA)
Spell Casting Fury L 1
SCR L 1 (2 AA)
Animation Empathy (9 AA)
Quick Buff L 2 (6 AA)
Swift Journey 1 2 (10 AA, aka Runspeed 4 and 5)
Reflex Mastery 1 2 3 4 5 (25 AA)
Mez Mastery (8 AA)
Innate Enlightenment
Color Shock (12 AA)
Channeling Focus L 2 3 (10 AA)
Project Illusion (5 AA)
Combat Stability (get when your total AC from armor hits 400+)
Innate Defence (get when your total AC from armor hits 400+)
Enhanced Forgetfulness L 2 3 (6 AA)

Third-run AA: (ok price:performance)
MGB (you can usually buff a raid without it -- our group buffs are cheap)
Dire Charm (9 AA)
Quick Buff L 3 (9 AA)
Spell Casting Fury L 2 3 then OOW/GoD crits
SCR 2 3 M (18 AA)
Delay Death 1 2 3 4 5 (15 AA)
Hastened Gathering (6 AA)
Defensive Instincts L 1 2 3 4 5 (25 AA)
Enhanced Forgetfulness L 4 5 (6 AA)
Soothing Words L 2

As you need them AA:
Mystical Attuning
Expansive Mind
Chaotic Potential
Discordant Defiance

Forth-run AA (buy before you pick up resists AAs!)
Quick MGB 1 2 3 (2 AA Each)
Secondary Forte (9 AA)
Stasis L 2 3
Various Animation AAs
MoM L 2 3
Soothing Words L 3
Mr D L 2 3 (15 AA)
Origin (7 AA)

Ignoreing my order is OK, depending on your playstyle.

The point of Subtlety is so you don't get agro. With the right tank I can tash and slow at the same time the MT engages the mob. You still have to time your debuffs and slows according to each group and tank, but slowing a mob at 95% is better than slowing at 75%.




For an enchanter:

Avoidance > Channeling > Mitigation > HP



Realize you'll only get 50% max on your self rune. In most cases if you don't have time to cast the self rune you're usually dead anyways. Like is mentioned get the Eldrich and Shadow Rune first. Eldrich+Shadow is instant 3k rune. A ten minute recast is actually very short and you can even hit this while running.




This is only usefull if you nuke a lot. Nuking comes pretty late for a chanter because of the agro generated by tash and slows is very high. This is pretty low on the chanter priority list. Even with these maxed you'll barely scratch the mob with your nukes.



This AA is very low on the list as well. You can see what most chanters think about it on TheRunes.net. You really shouldn't blur the mob to get agro off yourself. This is a bad practice. The tank is trying to build up agro and if you blur the mob you wipe everyone off the list. If the cleric hits a heal that cleric is now on the top of the agro list. You should have a (lvl 62-63? I believe) spell called Boggle. This is a negative agro spell with a .5 sec cast. It only lowers your agro and nobody elses. I use this all the time it allows me to lower my agro and the tank to continue to build his up. If I get agro in most cases one or two casts will get the mob back on the tank. Two casts in about 1-2 seconds is very fast and very effective. Wait on the blur AA.




This can be usefull for different things, gnome for shrink, fire for added ds, water for eb, etc. Also project illusion has no range limit, as long as a person is in the same zone you can cast it on them.



The stat/resist cap aa's I only recomend if you're hitting the cap already. If you aren't maxed stats you're wasting your aas. If I'm hitting the cap and I buy the aa I get nothing out of it until I do hit the cap. These could be better spent in other areas that I could use now. So only if you're hitting caps would I get these ones.




Only mobs lvl 45 and under can be DC-ed. You can't invis or you can lose your pet. A DC mob can also be dispelled.





This AA is highly recomended if and only if you charm a lot. Even if you charm in POP zones I would still get it. If you charm buy it if not pass it up.



I disagree, this is more usefull than just charming. This adds 1 more tick to all mezzes. For normal mezzes it's worthless, but the 1 tick PBAE mezzes it's worth it. I can hit a PBAE mezz and then single mezz 2-3 mobs before it wears off. This allows me to lock down a lot of mobs very quickly.




DO NOT GET 1 LVL OF EACH TO EXPERIMENT.

You're wasting aas if you're going to experiment to see which works best for you. Read up on them at TheRunes.net. I would get max Eldrich Rune and max Shadow Rune before any others. This is a 3k instant rune with a 10 min recast timer. That's the most you'll get in the shortest recast out of all of them.

1 lvl of Mind Over Matter is enough because you'll most likely be LOM/OOM after that anyways. Doppleganger can be dangerous because it randomly ports you and can agro adds.

Stasis is a no resist mezz that lasts 1 min per lvl. 1 lvl of this is usually all you need.

Color Shock is too limited because mobs that are immune to stun or over 70 won't be affected anyways. In the higher end zones this becomes pretty useless.

Soothing Words can be very dangerous and is all about timing. This aa reduces the mobs agro from it's current target. If the cleric is getting beat on, and you cast this, and it lands right when the tank gets agro back, guess who the mob's going to be hitting on? That's right, back on the cleric.

Silent Casting isn't a panic button aa. This just allows you to cast whatever you want for a limited time. This is probably more usefull for raid targets and hard named mobs in groups. Hitting this and then tash slow and nuke to your heart's content.

Also the devs are planning on changing the DoD aa 'Gift of Mana' to fire off any spell that costs more than 1 mana. When they do this I would highly recomend this aa for enchanters because it will include mezzes etc.

When you say chanters have WAAAY too many panic buttons it's because they need them. High agro and low defensive abilities put chanters in hot water very often. Chanters have to be quick to react with adds, slows, etc. This is why I love playing a chanter, a situation can get ugly very quickly and seem impossible, and the chanter has to quickly assess the situation and react accordingly. They can turn these impossible, bad situations into a possible 'I can't believe we didn't wipe' situation.



My recomendation:

Defensive: LOW AGRO > Runes/Avoidence > Channeling > Mitigation > HP

Mana: Preservation > Mana Regen > Extended Buffs > Mana

Raid: MGB > Extended Buffs > Nuke/Crits









Edited, Mon Jan 2 13:03:44 2006 by MentalFrog

Edited, Mon Jan 2 13:01:52 2006 by MentalFrog

This is purely based on on aas and since we really don't have a lot of aas in HP we don't get a lot out of it. I put channeling in there because when that last add is pounding on you and you're trying to mezz it channeling can sometimes help that mezz land in spite of a stun. I've been shadowstepped in midcast of a nuke and it still went through. Sometimes that cast going through can be a life saver. As far as gear goes I take HP > Mana any day.


As far jonnypanic my post wasn't really disagreeing with you it more of me just posting my thoughts and ramblings about some of your points. However you stated 2 things I highly disagree about;



If this happens I won't be getting it purely because the last thing I want to do is pump clerics. Enchanters are mainly a utility class but we need more dmg. I think we should get an aa that makes Mana Flare a group buff. Also make another aa that increases it's duration. Some increased dmg on DC for another aa and even increase the duration of DoD's DC or at least decrease the recast, 6 min duration every 2 hrs is ridiculous.





I really hope you're joking here. Enchanters are a class that like any other should be played out in the battlefield so to speak. I cringe every time I find chanters who are better 'vending machines' than mezzers. Enchanters should be able to handle more adds than a bard but most can barely handle 2 mobs. I get groups who are amazed when I can lock down 2-3 adds and **** their pants when I lock down 6. It's a shame that such a powerful class is used more as bots and vending machines.

Plat holds nothing over me, i've played long enough and get paid in real life well enough to have got to the point where if i need plat i'll go to the dark side and buy it.

I know its not popular but my play time is curtailed enough by my job without me spending time farming for items to sell.

I never ask for money for Kei and often turn donations from sub lvl 70's down as a matter of course.

Thats why reinforcement is not in my "required" list.

plz do not turn this into a plat buying thread i'm not interested in discussing my feelings on THAT subject

I sold KEI twice. Not worth the time vs reward.

That said, it was a priority to get both the kids to 50% extended and the best focus I could find/afford. For me. I have too many balls to keep in the air, and not having to rebuff as often is nice. But it would be irresponsible to say that reenforcement is more important that the core AAs.

Spell Casting Subtlety 3 seems like a great thing.. but I have noticed little difference. With an SK I could slow and tash on incoming already (once I see a Hate spell.. like Terror of Discord).. with a Warrior I still have to wait for a weapon Hate proc.

Quick Buff 2 getting the cast time of Arcane Rune down to 2.6 seconds (2.5 with Cleric Spell Haste) is really important for survival. As TheRunes thread says, it is amazing how long you can survive a slowed mob this way. And we use Cachet as Rampage Tank a lot.

Avoidance through Lightning Reflexes 5. After PoP the effective rate drops in half per Rank.. more avoidance is better, but expensive enough that I would consider other needs first.

Animation Empathy is great.. for the cost of Dire Charm, you get the same controls over your Animation, and it's a much higher level mob that will hit for more (and you can invis with it.. and recast it when you lose it).

Self Rune is the best "oops" skill I know.. and has the best refresh time.

Gather Mana.. I am happy I have.. I use most nights, cause Cachet is the thinnest skinned of my mes.. and therefor dies the most. (note that if you do not have clicky Tranquility pants.. Clarity II is dirt cheap to cast and will get you going a touch faster than nothing).

Swift Journey 2 is a good thing for everyone.. especially at 5/5 instead of 5/10.

I'm a melee chanter try me








I've also been told I'm a crazy mother-fu[/i]cker. (I also have a dd proc in my primary. A Chaotic Strike for stuns.)