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#1 Jul 03 2004 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I have searched, asked around, and still no one will tell me, do clerics have newbie armor? I have a Rouge who's armor was very simple to get. I was givin a list and got the stuff. Very simple. But how do I get a clerics newbie armor? I cant find it anywhere. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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#2 Jul 03 2004 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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The newbie armour quests are setup by race, you would need to go to your guildmaster in your home city.
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#3 Jul 03 2004 at 8:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Edit: I found the section, it was under the Felwithe quests list, not the Cleric list. Thanks for your help.


Edited, Sat Jul 3 21:15:07 2004 by Teruhl
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#4 Jul 03 2004 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh ye gawds....the Felwithe cleric newbie epic?

Hope you like dentistry without a sedative, it is a bit easier to deal with than the Paladin/Cleric armor quests.

On the upside, it is some SWEET armor.
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#5 Jul 03 2004 at 11:55 PM Rating: Decent
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What?
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#6 Jul 04 2004 at 2:23 AM Rating: Decent
I think Standsin was referring to how painfull it was waiting for certain NO DROP drops needed to complete the armour.
One that was a real pain, when I did some newbie armour quests in Greater Faydark, was the pristine forest drakeling scales and I'm sure the mature arborean bark was similar.

Not sure if it's changed, but I did an enchanter newbie quest on test in the past few weeks and pristine scales were dropping more than the normal or ruined ones Smiley: confused

It may be that it won't be so painful now.

Good luck
#7 Jul 04 2004 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
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One thing about the Felwith Newbie quests is that you have to do a significant amount of hunting in the immediate area of Felwith and not in the newbie areas of Kelethin. Everyone goes to Kelethin ASAP, but it seemed to me that when I was leveling up a HIE Cleric in Kelethin and a HIE Enchanter in the Felwith area, that some of the drops, and the drake stuff was a good example, seemed to drop faster in Felwith.

That said, the Cleric armor, and especially the Cleric weapon quest will bring you to tears. The Arborean drops of roots and bark, but most especially Amber, are... bad. Your faction with the Kelethin Rogues (who hate Arboreans, for some reason) will be higher than that with your own Clerics, if you stick it out and beat on trees till you get everything you need. Sad but true.

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#8 Jul 06 2004 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
IMHO re-roll the character and do a dwarven cleric, or else skip the newbie armor and pick up some ultra cheap Bazaar armor instead (heck Banded is better than some newbie quest armor).

Why a dwarven cleric?
1) They're cute
2) The initial strength and stamina really help where you can even solo the lower levels
3) If you like to role-play dwarves love blacksmithing and Kaladim is a good place for it (although you will have to hike up to POK to buy some of the smaller patterns)
4) Butcherblock is a great newbie zone
5) The cleric armor quest is fairly easy to do, and with all of the people in the zone you may find enough of your componets on the vendors. Higher level players in the Wayfayers camp may help you out a little while they wait for a group.
6) The cleric newbie armor looks cools and has a nice gold appearance.
7) Bashing goblins, orcs, ogres, and giants is great fun!
8) When you are high enough level head to Thurgadin and meet your cousins. Then bash more ogres, orcs, and giants!!!
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#9 Jul 06 2004 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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(heck Banded is better than some newbie quest armor).


Utterly, utterly wrong. Newbie armour is better on many levels.

It is an introduction to questing and is considerably better than banded.

None of it is hard to get given a bit of resourcefulness. They've upped the drop rate on Pristine drake scales to a silly degree. Some of the bat fur and Arborean stuff is harder but if you cannot manage this then maybe EQ is the wrong game for you.

Dwarfs are no better than any other race as the stats are easily gained with gear. In fact your HIE cleric in full newbie armour probaby exceeds that dwarf in banded! Smiley: smile
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#10 Jul 06 2004 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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Having quested the entire lot for both High Elf Cleric and Paladin I agree the drop rates are a wee bit low for some items.

On the whole the Paladin stuff was easier to get.

Both sets use Sylvan bat furs.
Pallys rely on the Giant wasp no-drops whereas the clerics use a lot of Arborean no-drops.

I did not get the last Arborean Sprout twig to make the cleric gloves and finish the set until I was level 30 though...at least 2000 sprouts never made it to sapling, believe me.

One thing to be noted and it was very satisfying. Get 3 or more people together and wage war on the Basalisk Hatchlings. I found more Arboreans and Giant Sylvans that way, and killing BAZ is so much fun.
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#11 Jul 06 2004 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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ooh,your gonna talk about HIE cleric newb armor eh? Halfling newb armor is impossible. The leggings require to large wasp tergites,np right? NO. They drop "commonley" as alla's puts it but i killed over a 100 of those and havent gotten one. Mind you 4 spawn a day of giant wasps at max so 100 divided by 4 = 25 game days to kill 100 of those and i still havent gotten one,i finally gave up
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#12 Jul 06 2004 at 6:07 PM Rating: Decent
I was able to get the large wasp tergites in Misty Thicket fairly easily for my newbie halflings. Most of the time, I was the only one in the zone. The thing I am still looking for is a giant fruit bat ribcage. It is needed for both the warrior and ranger.
#13 Jul 06 2004 at 6:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Utterly, utterly wrong. Newbie armour is better on many levels.

It is an introduction to questing and is considerably better than banded.


I can see that the only way to refute this argument is to run the math. For each instance I'm only going to do one bracer for brevity sake.

Brell's Quest Armor:
Armguards: AC5, Dex2, Wis2
Boots: AC5, Sta2, Wis1
Bracer: AC4, Agi4, Cha1
Breastplate: AC12, Str1, Sta5, Wis2
Gauntlets: AC5, Str3, Dex1
Greaves: AC6, Agi2, Dex3, Hp10
Helm: AC5, Sta2, Mana10
Total: AC42, Str4, Sta9, Agi6, Dex6, Wis5, Int0, Cha1, Hp10, Mana10

Sylvan Quest Armor:
Armguards: AC5, Sta2, Wis2
Boots: AC5, Str2, Wis1, Hp5
Bracer: AC4, Sta2, Wis1, Cha1
Breastplate: AC12, Str3, Wis5,
Gauntlets: AC5, Sta2, Wis1
Greaves: AC6, Sta2, Wis1, Cha2
Helm: AC5, Wis2, Hp5
Total: AC42, Str5, Sta7, Agi0, Dex0, Wis14, Int0, Cha3, Hp10, Mana0

Banded Armor (Full Suit):
Belt: AC6
Boots: AC6
Bracer: AC6
Cloak: AC7
Gauntlets: AC7
Gorget: AC5
Helm: AC8
Leggings: AC8
Mail: AC15
Mantel: AC6
Mask: AC4
Sleeves: AC7
Total: AC85

Hopefully my math and typing skills are up to par. Although learning how to quest (and the patience that goes along with it) is a valuable skill to learn, if the quest is extra-ordinarily difficult I don't see the value in becoming frustrated. Although banded armor does not have the stat benefits that quest armor has, I would argue that at the very early stages having a higher AC and HP is more important than a high wisdom. Although having a high wisdom later on down the road is highly valuable for a cleric, if you are going to solo in any form you need to have the AC, HP, and damage potential to live through the encounters. Banded gives you twice the armor class of the newbie quest armor and is extremely easy to obtain (although smaller sizes may be more challenging if you don't make it yourself).

For starting stats a dwarven cleric has a 95 strength, 95 stamina, 90 dexterity (good for learning weapons skills), and 93 wisdom. A high-elven cleric has a 60 strength, 70 stamina, 70 dexterity, and 105 wisdom. The quest armor for the elven cleric has a whopping +7 stamina because they start so low in this stat, and the wisdom is very nice. Unfortunately it only gives you +5 strength for an unmodified total of 65 and a 77 stamina. Naked the dwarf has a 95 strength and 95 stamina. In a full suit of banded with no jewelry the dwarf will have an AC85, 95 strength, and 95 stamina. Dollars to donuts a dwarven cleric in a full suit of banded is going to live through most newbie encounters.

After this point I would normally hunt gobbies and buy: wis/str enhancing jewelry, nice 1HB weapon, nice shield, cougar claw earring for mana preservation.

Hopefully my argument has proven that I may be insane, but I may not be completely wrong all the time.
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#14 Jul 06 2004 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Or.....
Get you some nice Sandblasted Plate:
Boots:
AC: +13 Wis: +3 Fire Resist: +6
Bracers(2):
AC: +11 Wis: +3 Fire Resist: +6 (each)
Breastplate:
AC: +27 Wis: +6 Fire Resist: +6
Cloak:
AC: +10 Wis: +4 Fire Resist: +6
Collar:
AC: +10 Wis: +3 Fire Resist: +6
Gauntlets:
AC: +13 Wis: +3 Fire Resist: +6
Girth:
AC: +10 Wis: +3 Fire Resist: +6
Greaves:
AC: +19 Wis: +5 Fire Resist: +6
Helmet:
AC: +15 Wis: +4 Fire Resist: +6
Pauldrons:
AC: +10 Wis: +4 Fire Resist: +6
Vambraces:
AC: +13 Wis: +3 Fire Resist: +6
Visor:
AC: +10 Wis: +4 Fire Resist: +6
Total AC: 172 Wis:+48 Fire Resist: +78

Double what Banded is, and more wis bonus than newbie quest.

Course the hard part is getting the 2400 plat or so it would take you to get the full set and finding a smith that has/will make it.

But from a true newbie, you cannot beat the quested armor as the price is right.... a bit of hard work and some patience.


Edited, Tue Jul 6 22:32:17 2004 by StandsInShadow
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#15 Jul 07 2004 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Nice try but you cheated just a tad. What you meant to say was

Banded Armor (Newbie slots):
Boots: AC6
Bracer: AC6
Gauntlets: AC7
Helm: AC8
Leggings: AC8
Mail: AC15
Sleeves: AC7

Total ac 57

or Newbie Armour ac = 70 (with slots filled in)

You either leave out the parts not included in newbie armour sets or you allow that those parts could be added to the newbie armour - comparing a full set of banded with the limited slots of newbie armour is just plain deceitful.

And yes you have an extra few ac but lose a lot of stats some of which are indeed useful at low level.

You are quite right to insist that hp are useful at low level but as you rightly state there is none on banded.

You could also have allowed for two bracers in each set but I guess since your dwarf can whop anything with one arm tied behind his back you didn't bother.

That set of newbie armour will see the HIE cleric into his 20's filling in slots with cheap add-ons like Adamantite Epaulets etc. The stats on it will mean they can concentrate on the slots it doesn't cover to add stats they want.

And of course nothing stops that HIE cleric killing the same goblins and buying the same upgrades as your dwarf - except they have less need to.
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#16 Jul 07 2004 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
Cheated...no. I specifically said in parenthesis full suit and filled in the spots that the newbie armor does not account for. If a person was creating these pieces themselves using the blacksmithing tradeskill obviously there would be a strong desire to craft these items as well. If going this route I would also recommend crafting your own initial weapon and shield until you can afford better.

Now I'm not going to get into an argument of which cleric is better: high elven or dwarven (although cobra is trying to turn this discussion into one of these types of arguments). Play the race and class that you want and enjoy him/her. If your heart is set on playing a high elven cleric then by all means do so. Donít let any of the starting stats scare you, for these can be built up by other means further down the road. Play what you want to play. Play many races and classes and discover which you think is the most fun!

Since my original statements are once again being misconstrued let me make another attempt at being perfectly clear: if your newbie armor quest has you frustrated by all means look at alternatives. Not all quests in EQ have the same level of effort to complete, with some quests being relatively easy and others being near to impossible. If you are spending weeks instead of days completing the newbie armor quest, by all means look at alternative solutions and advance a couple of levels instead of farming. You will not spend 5 additional decades in purgatory by not completing the newbie armor quest. Real life if frustrating enough...we should be gaining pleasure out of a game not frustration.

As for the stats loss by using fill in pieces or a full suit of lower-end crafted armor (either banded or fine plate), as indicated by others there are stat enhancing armor and jewelry pieces that are relatively inexpensive that can easily make up for stats offered by the newbie armor. The goal of the newbie quests is an introduction to questing and to learn more about the surrounding areas of your home town. The end result of the quests is usually armor that is good but not great. My exercise in math was to prove the point that you can survive without the armor and you do have choices. In the lower levels you will be forced to melee, thus you should concentrate on armor class, hit points, and mana instead of stats (IMHO).
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#17 Jul 07 2004 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Now I'm not going to get into an argument of which cleric is better: high elven or dwarven (although cobra is trying to turn this discussion into one of these types of arguments).


Actually no I'm not.

You were the one who said
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re-roll the character and do a dwarven cleric

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Dollars to donuts a dwarven cleric in a full suit of banded is going to live through most newbie encounters


I'm easy with whatever the OP wants to make. It was your assertion that they should reroll as a dwarf that I took exception to.

I know many excellent clerics of all races including many who would never have started if they took advice of the sort you are dishing out.

And yes you did cheat in the figures by presenting your total for a full suit to compare with part suits for the newbie armour. A casual reader would have seen 42 v 85.

I would totally agree that if a newbie armour quest is taking too long then there comes a point to reconsider doing it (probably when you get youor first AA Smiley: smile). For example my Qeynos Enchanter newbie robe was pretty awful when I'd got it so I ditched it and bought one. It happened to be an easy quest but it is always worth looking on the site here to see the stats of the piece you are questing. Some people may find a kind of satisfaction in doing the whole of the quest. Personally I always find the final task is way to hard for the reward and I can get a better weapon on the bazaar.

On that subject I think you'll find you can get a better weapon through the tutorial than you can smith for a while.


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#18 Jul 07 2004 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Thought I would weigh in again. (I have two clerics highest only 36)

I would do the newbie armor for the reasons mentioned above (learn questing, get some early xp killing your level mobs). Fill in the remaining slots with best AC (I would get plate ASAP)
you can get. Supplement with some wis/str jewelry, and mana preservation focus.

For my high elf, I had Iksar scaled gloves for awhile then got lucky during the anniversary. Around level 25 I started to gather some components and had a high-level smith craft me some sandblasted. I bought a few other pieces when they were bargains. As you can see I have a mish-mash of things, basically supported by the sandblasted steel. I also dyed everything to match the breastplate. Helps (finacially) to have a high-level craftsman in your corner. I collected or bought or made most of the stuff to make the Solstice Earring.

Dottien

For a challenge I tried an evil gnome on Morden Rasp. I have all the evil newbie stuff and am currently filling in the other spots. I could probably buy some LDoN crafted but I am not hurting yet. I think mana preservation is more important now, since I am not getting hit much (heh grouping with wise level 22s-26s helps!) His WIS sucks compared to the High Elf by the way.

Dotlbe

So whether you go with banded or not, the newbie stuff is decent. If you find a hard drop for any newbie slot, I would not obsess, just fill it with something easier that might even be better.
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