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#1 Mar 27 2004 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
I am starting a Vah Shir bard and I've read a lot about twisting the songs. How do I do that and how do I set up my hotkeys to twist the songs? Also, what are the song commands or where can I look them up? Thanks so much!
#2 Mar 27 2004 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
There's a few resident bards on the boards here but with it being the weekend I'm not sure how much they're actually going to check the boards.

Your best bet on playing a bard would be to visit http://www.eqdiva.com/ for just about anything/everything concerning bardom.
#3 Mar 27 2004 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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There's a few resident bards on the boards here but with it being the weekend I'm not sure how much they're actually going to check the boards.

Your best bet on playing a bard would be to visit http://www.eqdiva.com/ for just about anything/everything concerning bardom.


best info for bards is at EQDIVA, go there, and go there often.

as for making a song macro stick with this to cut your clicking in half.

/stopsong
/cast #

make 8 of those and you are done with song macros. you will still need an assist and pet kill hotkey, but other then that you are set.
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#4 Mar 27 2004 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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That's pretty much it. When I play my bard (which is only level 12) I don't use a macro, just hotkey the spells directly, but I'm a masochist. Remember that you should be able to reliably twist 3 songs continuously, and can pulse in a 4th or even 5th effect for short times. Your connection and any lag will have a major effect on songs.
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#5 Mar 27 2004 at 8:23 PM Rating: Decent
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with double click you will never be able to sustain 4 song twist. with the above macro i listed you can single tap your way to a 4 song twist and maintain it baring missed notes and interupts.

sub 20s, double tapping is ok, but post that you will really want to use the above macro.

as for a 5th or more song, that is only via the use of songs longer then 18secs. example is your 49th selo. it is a 2.5min song, an other is amplify. that is a 30sec song IIRC, so with those 2, and 4 others you could hit 6 songs, and there are a few other songs that last longer then 18sec.

so claiming you can maintain 5+ twist does not really count. if you can maintain a 4 song twist you are skilled at twisting. then the trick is to know what 4 songs to maintain :P
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#6 Mar 27 2004 at 9:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Yah, most bards i know don't have a twisting macro.
But if you were gonna make one it would look like this

/cast 1
/stopsong
/cast2
/stopsong
/cast 3

But everytime you fizzle it messes up your rotation. That's why i don't know any Bards that use a Twisting macro.
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#7 Mar 28 2004 at 12:46 AM Rating: Decent
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yes, not a true twist, just single cast macro like the one i listed.

only exception would be for taining or downtime.

ie, you are a young bard and just got your first mana song and want to twist it with your heal song.

plopp up your macro twist. but be aware that if you get a missed note, you CAN NOT restart or stop the macro to make up for it. you are just fubar.

nothing major in that situation, but if doing that during a fight, with important songs, that would be a bad thing.
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#8 Mar 28 2004 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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with double click you will never be able to sustain 4 song twist
I do it on a 56k connection Smiley: tongue Usually three chants and Veeshan when kiting casters. Melee is a little harder since I'm spending more time moving around and positioning.
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#9 Mar 28 2004 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I didn't (intend to) say that I was maintaining 4 or 5 songs, but getting 4-5 effects at a time, temporarily. Since I haven't even made it to the teens on my bard, I'm probably going about it "wrong", anyways.
#10 Mar 28 2004 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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that would be impressive. my double tap skills alowed for 3 with ease, but could not sustain a 4th.... sustain meaning unless i had a missed note, or was hit and interupted those 4 songs would stay up and running.

FYI, unless you are laggy between you and the server even a 33.6k modem can twist 3 or 4 songs.
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#11 Mar 28 2004 at 10:47 PM Rating: Good
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I double tap. I don't see anything wrong with doing it either way. It's kind of like the difference between driving a manual and an automatic. One is a little easier to handle, but you feel you have more control with the other. I prefer the control personally. Also, I tend to keep 4 songs up more often then not. There's so many contributing factors though, lag being a big one. And since so many things can cause lag, your 4-twist (or even 3-twist) can get messed up pretty easy. If you want to be successful at 4-twist though, my recommendation is to learn not to depend on the casting bar. Use it early on to learn your timing, but by the time you're in your 40's you shouldn't need it as much. That way you can twist even when blinded. It's also good to learn to twist based on timing instead of the casting bar because procs can cause your bar to "poof". It doesn't change the timing of the cast or even interrupt it, but procing in the middle of a cast will cause your bar to disappear, making it look like you fizzled, when in fact you didn't. Things will change quite a bit though post-50. As with all other classes that cast, you will fizzle much more often for some reason, even on low level spells (at least it seems this way to me, and pretty much everybody I've talked to about it. Maybe it's pshycological...).

Basically, it doesn't really matter if you twist 3 or 4 or if you use a macro or not. 3 doesn't make you a worse bard. The bard is a very involved class. Song selection and instrument/weapon selection can make a HUGE difference, and just knowing the nuances of the class will get you a lot of respect and a lot of enjoyment.
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#12 Sep 19 2004 at 12:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Good information here and I'll add to the twisting macro. With my bard, the only time I use a twisting macro is when I'm kiting with my dot (damage over time) songs because it doesn't matter all that much if I miss a note and have to wait 2.7 seconds for the next chant to start. There is one correction I will add to the above macro. You have to add a pause for the casting time of each song, so the macro would look like this...

/stop song
/cast 1
/pause 27
/stop song
/cast 2

I make 2 of these hotkeys for my 4 dot chants. However, when I am in a group, I prefer the single macro so I have more control over each song and can adjust for group needs/missed notes.
#13 Sep 19 2004 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent
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If you want to be successful at 4-twist though, my recommendation is to learn not to depend on the casting bar. Use it early on to learn your timing, but by the time you're in your 40's you shouldn't need it as much. That way you can twist even when blinded. It's also good to learn to twist based on timing instead of the casting bar because procs can cause your bar to "poof". It doesn't change the timing of the cast or even interrupt it, but procing in the middle of a cast will cause your bar to disappear, making it look like you fizzled, when in fact you didn't.


extreemly well put. that is so true. its something i picked up from EQDiva.com on the timming and not to rely on the spell bar. after a while you just feel when it is time to start your next song.
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#14 Sep 19 2004 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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Well played bards are a wonder. I know I could not do it.

Won't talk about the fifty something bard I was in a group with that was unable to twist songs at all, never more that one effect/song at a time, and long stretches of just nothing.
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#15 Sep 19 2004 at 8:42 PM Rating: Good
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Hmm I guess someone was 2 boxing a bard (that CANT work can it?) or had GF on lap problems.
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#16 Sep 19 2004 at 9:09 PM Rating: Decent
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i have 2boxed my bard with both a wiz and a cleric, but i had very simple rolls for the wiz/cleric when i did that.

i had macros like the following for the two alts:

/sit off
/cast #
/pause X (what ever amount of spell + 0.5)
/sit on

later i started adding 2-10 seconds extra to the pause depending on what the spell was so my alts did not draw agro as at the time, and probably still now bards really can not pull agro off a cleric or nuker.

i would at the beging of a fight just alt+tab over to my alt toon, hit the assist key i made, then back to my bard until it was time for the alt to do something. with EQW and my system i could swap back and forth just as fast as i could hit those 2 keys. so getting between the 2 toons i could even keep a 3 song twist up under those situations.

i did stop doing that once i started doing a lot of swarming though.
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#17 Sep 20 2004 at 5:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I tried working with hotkeyed songs and had problems maintianing the twists. I am able to consistently twist 4 songs by double clicking on a regular basis. I was once able to get 5 songs up but that was very brief, more like an overlap of the very first song twisted and the last one. I have no idea what I was doing wrong with the hotkeys but now am so accustomed to double clicking that I dont even think about it. My bard is now level 63.
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