ML and autosplitFollow

Standard method would be the ML shares with the group with /split p g s c. Personally I wouldnt be comfortable with relying on the math of others past deducting regent costs from the main split.

Usually when someone splits manually with group its because they don't know how to /split...or because a member of the group has gone LD and they don't want to make everyone wait around for their cut.

As far as autosplit goes, alot of people use it in regualar non-LDoN groups...but its an unfair cut favoring the looter and ******** most everyone else...and if you have a monk in the group it forces them to constantly destroy money to keep their weight below 16.

Edited, Wed Mar 3 05:58:28 2004 by plick

So what is the technical difference now between /split p g s c and /autosplit (I didn't understand the part of favouring the looter I am afraid)?

wont the /split command take everything the ML has on money? (means he has to start the adventure with 0p0g0s0c)


Edited, Wed Mar 3 06:59:44 2004 by Leiany

With the /split command, you specify the exact amount you want to split. So, if the adventure earned 120pp, and you've got 6 people, a /split 120 will give each player 20pp (I think I've got the syntax right. I rarely ML, so I always have to check the help each time...).

/autosplit on/off is a toggle. When it's on, everytime you loot, you will split the loot among everyone in the group. Both actually use the same system, but there's a huge difference in the end result (Let me explain).

In both cases, the split is done by simply taking the number of players in the group and dividing each coin among them. It does not make change. The remainder ends up left in the hands of the person doing the spliting (or the looter in the case of autosplit).

The difference should be obvious. If you loot 50 mobs each dropping 5pp, the looter (you) will get all 5pp of each split. There isn't enough to give everyone in the group a full platinum piece, so you get it all (5 divided by 6 is 0 with 5pp remainding. You get the remainder, right?).

After 50 mobs, you'll have 250pp and everyone else will have zero. That's if you just loot with /autosplit on.

If you have autosplit off and use a /split 250 at the end of the adventure, each person will get 41pp (and you'll get 45pp, but hey! You carried around all that loot, right?). That's not too bad. It's as "fair" as a split can be without going out and making change and taking tons of time doing it. No one's going to quibble on a few plat more or less over an hour of looting. They'll care alot about a few plat lost on every single loot.


So yeah. /autosplit is just evil. It's not fair. It's a pain in the butt. Monks hate it. If someone insists on using /autosplit, then insist on someone else being ML. They'll likely change their tune rapidly.

IMO, clerics should never ever in a million years be the ML. If they are not healing, they should be medding. Having the cleric running around and looting things, instead of keeping their mana high is just crazy.

I totally agree that ML is the only way to go in a LDoN goup. But, Patrician, I don't agree that auto split is allways evil. It depends on group and whether you have a regular group or not. In my case, I allways play with the same group which is basically, my wife, my sis-in-law and an in-game friend who has been grouping with us for allmost 2 years now. The wife and I both 2-box, so that mkes a full group. We use an alphabetical loot rotation for our group. I admit this isn't your typical pick-up group. Over the 3 years that we've been doing this we've noted that the loot will even out - evyone usually ends up with about the same amount of plat after selling out. On the few occasions that we've added an "outsider" to our group - by wife and I dropping one of our toons out this has also worked out well. The exception was an in game friend who played a monk - on those occasions we did ML - however, it was a real pain to have to wait around for the ML to go sell out and then return to split. Of course, we haven't done that since PoP - which I'm sure has made that much easier. There were a couple of time that the wife and I got into pick-up groups in SK back before Luclin and the ML went to the treehouses to sell out and was never seen again. So, the point to this is, there's positive's and negative's to both sides of this. No black and white - more of a game play issue, and who your playing with.

EagleFlight/Dyciere

I've heard of that /q split command. Very classy (not).

What I don't understand is this, groups have been playing together and splitting loot all along. Is this /q before the split just as common in other pick up groups?

Because of my weight reducing bags and high charisma, I often end up being ML. There have been times when I've gone LD at the end of an adventure. Luckily I was always able to get logged right back in and back into the group to finish selling/splitting. The entire time, I'm thinking 'oh great, now they're going to think I'm one of those ninja looters!'

As an aside, another reason to turn off autosplit when looting is monks have weight restrictions, and we casters have spindly little arms and legs. That coin is heavy!

a good, experienced cleric can ML fine. I grouped with a cleric on a hard last night who was the only healer, the MLer, and was still nuking and meleeign

There is your difference.

By rotating the looting the unfairness is shared and effectively evens out over time.

In a stranger group it is fairer to have autosplit off even when alpha looting. Your corpse - your loot, all of it.

When hunting in small groups (2-3)in OoM for example I also used the loot rotation and can't say it wasn't as satisfying as anything else - but the loot in OoM sucks for most mobs of course anyway ;-)

Um... Half right. It does split each coin type separately (that's what I meand by "it doesn't make change".

However it does not split *any* coins of any type unless there are enough to give one to each character. The only exception is that if there was cash loot, but not enough of any coin to split, it will always give those recieving no share 1cp (it just generates them out of thin air).

In the example you gave, the looter would get 2p, 2g, 1s, 1c. Everyone else would get 1c. Every time.

This is trivially easy to test. The next time you loot a mob with /autosplit on, and you get 2 or 3 pp as your share. Ask the rest of the group what they got. I guarantee you that unless everyone in the group got 1pp, no one will get 1pp. You got that 2 or 3 plat because that was all the plat the mob had and it wasn't enough to split.



And this is a problem why? The possiblity that someone might go LD is not a good justification for not at least attempting a fair split. We're all (mostly) adults. We can work around things like LD. I will still get a better share in the long run even if I lose a share anytime I go LD, then if we rely on autosplit for loot.

Um... And obviously you split loot when the group makeup changes. Deal with it. Even with a bit of guesswork by the ML, it'll be more fair then autosplit will be in the long run. And for LDoN, this simply isn't an issue.



I'm not sure what you mean buy "manually". Most folks are talking about using a ML/split process versus using /autosplit and just looting as we go. Sure. You've got to trust the guy doing the ML. Most dont do a full manual loot anyway. If I got 1200pp on a run, but one of the people isn't present (LD or out of the zone), it's not that hard to just do a /split 1000 and give everyone their shares, then "manually" give the remaining person their 200pp when it's possible.

Same deal with reimbursing costs. If a cleric used up a dozen dots on an adventure, I might subtract 130pp right off the top before doing the split, and then just give that cash to the cleric. There really isn't an issue of chosing between manual split and using the /split command. You use /split when you can, and do it manually when you can't. Not that hard.

What are you trying to say Leiany?

As far Cleric peridots are concerned, I'm certain that every Cleric in Norrath would be completely over the moon if those who wanted buffs just carried a few dots around with them and no PP ever need change hands.

ROTF.

I've been with some wacky clerics, but never one that talked to their dots.