crushbone- home to some of the worst players in the gameFollow

crushbone is a wonderful zone, with great xp, but i do find that there are a helluva lot of bad players there- all the newbies... so this is my rant about it, as yesterday drove me mad:
i quite enjoy playing through the lower lvls, as at higher levels i feel more pressured in the game, etc- but when i play a character in crushbone, i seem to see a lot of really bad players. the amount of times i have been hunting in the mine area and had some twinked idiot coming and stealing all the pulls when i am resting is astonishing. and then when i say to them 'sorry, this bit is camped' they nearly always just ignore and carry on.
And yesterday, i was grouped with a lvl 14 cleric (who has a 100pt healing spell at that level- and soothe at level 9). I was playing a warrior, and the group had a low lvl druid as well as other things. The cleric didnt actually realise that his job was as a healer and soother in the throne room, and he insisted on pulling and trying to tank. i even asked 4 times in a row for him to heal me (i was on 30% health, and going into the TR as the main tank), and he did actually have mana, as he was wasting it all on nukes as he was fighting in melee and not medding. the druid then had to heal me all he could. The cleric then tried to pull and melee, even though everyone told him not to, and that i was puller and tank- and we had to have the druid stopping adds. no one was sad when that cleric left.

which just makes me think of one other thing- why do so many kids who play EQ play as clerics? surely the way they play is more suited to a warrior or paladin.

anyway, sorry i posted my rantings here, i just had to let it off =)

Osmodiar

Another Crusbone special is the newbie-killer-train I observed both with my old and new char on FV MANY times:

Some brave&honest toons lvl 4-6 doing the newbie armor quests from Kelethin - trying to get crude bronze bricks and various parts - CAREFULLY pick one orc after the other in the entrance zone trying not to get to much attention....

....and SUDDENLY a large group of runs by like mad heading for the zone end and vanish....followed by Emperor Crush and the whole staff of his castle - killing most newbies they run into with a single blow before these have a chance to escape.

My Rogue always hid the moment she saw more than 1 toon run to zone but my Enchantress learned to hate those &%$§"! morons who pull the whole castle and are to dumb to warn anyboody whats coming....

These morons btw are mostly 10th lvl up - maybe twinking to often does have the same effect as inbreed *lol*

Edited, Tue Jan 27 10:13:47 2004 by Leiany

Hmmm....I would much rather have people make awful mistakes (and hopefully learn by them) in a newbie zone than to quickly advance and make similar mistakes in a much higher zone (where people loose even more XP through death). Perhaps if people decided to slow down a bit and don't worry about advancing your character so quickly, you would learn more about the game mechanics and the finer points of your class. If you're brand spanking new to a class twinking may be hampering your learning curve. We've all made spectacular blunders from time to time, better to do these in a newbie zone.

p.s. The rudeness factor will always be there no matter what zone you're in.

Playing one class to a high level doesn't automatically make you an expert on other classes.

I have had some really silly questions asked in those places. I remember one time being in there for the Trainer with a Paladin around 10-12 and I was asked to join a TR group "because they needed a healer". I had to explain that my Minor heal wasn't going to keep anyone alive and they'd be better with me as a tank. An easy mistake for a high level player used to seeing Paladins with their spiffy group heals etc. It wasn't a bad group until we pulled Crush and someone decided they would fear him.

A monk friend of mine was invited to a group and only found out when he got there that they thought he could heal.

Crushbone is a mad place for trains. Not only inside but people running in frequently train the GFay side. You can zone out on low health only to be beaten down by some light blue orc on the outside.

That said it is a great place for people to learn. Some of them never will but it does have all the set pieces to learn about aggro, pulling, low health etc, etc.

This is very true indeed. The low lvl places should be for players to learn the role his or her character will play in a group. I've started playing EQ last month, and I learned about the game's mechanics and the roles of each class out of experience, especially in CrushBone. Granted, there are some jerks or other grief players out there, but those people should not get in the way of one's own game experience.

You guys are right about taking things relatively slow to learn as much as you can. It took me awhile to learn what roles a ranger will play in a group; today, that ranger is becoming a great addition to any hunting or adventure group.

The group "leaders" could always fight a duel over the camping rights if they want it BOTH the *hard* way....

I'm wasn't one of those newbies who was driving you mad, but I could have been. I've been playing for almost a month now, and naturally ended up in Crushbone with my baby druid.

The first day I was in there, I was impressed. The group talked, and best of all explained to me what my role was within the group. I didn't quite understand everything that was going on, but we didn't have to run to the zone more than once or twice, and when we did, someone screamed enough warning as we made our way from TR.

The rest of the week there (Yes, week I'm a casual player) disgusted me. I left one group that seemed to consider itself to be pirates or something, they didn't take much notice of where anyone else was hunting, they considered the whole zone to be theirs. I didn't want to learn their bad habits.

I was involved with several groups where threre was so much yelling and fighting over who had camped where, that I was considering offering them suggestions about new names to call each other, since neither party was very imaginative. Another group couldn't hold TR but insisted that anyone who dared to wander in leave, rather than try and work together. I was healing one interloper (Was at a safe time in the spawn for it) and someone in my group yelled at me NOT to. I didn't have to make any moral decision about it, I got low on mana and had to regen.

I haven't been impressed.

These things happen everywhere, I have had a level 40 Ranger deliberatly run into my level 24 Druid while the Druid was casting a snare on a Wooly Mammoth, the result was Druid's spell was interupted and the Ranger engaged the mammoth first. The first couple of times I didn't realize what was happening. So be aware it's all over, but you don't have to react to it. There is plenty of room for everyone in the game.

You just kinda have to expect that the lower level zones are going to have a high percentage of people who don't know how to play the game very well. You just have to deal with it and move on. Moving on is the key concept. Typically, you'll have to deal with morons like that for most of the first 30 levels of the game. It used to be lower back when it was actually an accomplishment to make 20+ level, but with all the newbie advantages and zones like PC that can take you to your mid 20s without ever really having to learn how to play, folks get much farther before the brick wall of the "real" game hits them.

Fortunately, with some few exceptions, very few players get up into the 50+ game without at least learning most of the basics of play. It really does get a lot better. Of course, you'll always have to deal with greedy players, and dumb players, but at least everyone knows what they are supposed to do at higher levels, even if they don't always do it very well.

In a place like BoT people have no excuse. But in low level zones like CB you have to cut people a break, not only are many of them learning how to play the game, but they are also learning the etiquette. If anything, you should help them to become better players so that they are no longer like that when they reach places like BoT

How can that you hope it is not insulting, someone trains a zone and you get OOCs such as "oh the kids must be back from school", the kids in my view are no worse players (i know a 10yr old with a 57chanter and he plays better than a lot of adults), the only difference as far as EQ goes between adults and kids is the sweeping generalisations made by adults such as yourself, on the other hand i am 15 so clearly do not understand as much about these matters and do not deserve acceptance into your fantasy age limited zone. If you'll excuse me i am busy writing to sony to ask for a new zone whitch can only be entered by people without glasses or large feet.

Children which you are, are less likely IN GENERAL, to understand how their behavoir impacts other people in a game like EQ. Just children are less likely to understand that adults know more then them and despite how inflated they feel are not grown up yet.

Some children are more mature then others and some adults less mature.

I can spot a teenager a mile away on EQ. Can spot a 10 year old also and no offense but I'd love a server where I didn't have to deal with anyone under 21.