I know that in the past I could not track Inny from zone in. If I remember oorrectly, Inny was only trackable from the tier 2 area. Also, I could not cast Spirit of Eagle in POH. I never tried to cast a horse in the past. But today, I noticed I could zone into POH via a campfire and still be on a horse, come in via the usual zone in and still be on my hrose, and even cast a horse that worked. I could also cast SOE, and it stuck. And finally, I can also track Inny from zone in. Indoors tracking has been nerfed for a long time to have very timited range in many zones, but this nerf appears to be removed for outdoors zones I supect. I suspect this all means the zone is outdoors now. I don't know if this is to fix a long standing problem (if you are outside of a building, you are outside), an intended change, or an oppsie. It seems to be of little consequence. There is no real need for SOE here, The mobs are pretty easy, so who needs a horse, and hardly anyone cares about Inny any more.

Edit: I tried ranger pacify (Drifting Haze Rk. III to be specific), and it worked here also. That is also an outdoors only spell.

Edited, Sep 18th 2008 4:51pm by Guyyug

Not sure when it was changed but you can now give the Fuligan Soulstone of Innoruuk to the guild portal gnome and port there in the guild hall.

http://eq.chedrock.com/Hate_b.gif

Here is a full map of New Plane of Hate . All the camps are marked with numbers and by tier . If this isnt working for you to find the camp then i don't know what will .

Currently been camping Overlord and Mistress for about 4-5 hours now and still no sign of either.

Good Luck in your Journey .

i heard you could turn the no drop gear you don't need into someone to get gems. is this true? if so who and where do i turn the gear into?

OK heres is the low down for those rangers, Hate is soloable at 65 eq3 and am, be sure to grab a gate potion, use disk and gate if you get in trouble, root and shoot you'll get verry seldom adds when pulling by bow, get an updated map, use track and you too can have a seoc, took me about 2 wks dropped off magi ptasi, invis will get you almost anywhere <tier 1> EXCEPT by the diseased rats, get one of the updated hard copy maps and have fun, and if you have to root and log out if you get adds I recomend pulling to either the stairs or in the small alley next to magi ptasi building <stand on table to pull magi> after clearring fron room mobs, also gollemns are immune to root and snare

Edited, Fri Sep 3 22:19:00 2004

So, being a wood elf ranger, how do I get into Neriak 3rd gate to get this stone. If anyone can tell me that would be grand. I have heard a rumor that the soulstone is now sold in PoK as well, but think it is a lie. Any information is most welcomed.

You can use the stone (one stone per person) by giving it to the npc Relm M'Loch in PoTranquility. She is in the same building as the stone to PoK. Give her a stone, and then she casts a Translocate Hate on you. The stone is sold in Neriak Cleric Guild for about 52pp, from Dvis Zexus.

The cost is much higher this way, so a wizard port up is better for a full group. But, if you have new people joining your group or if you die, its easy to port back up now.

Edited, Mon Jun 21 12:45:13 2004

I just dinged 51 and Joined a small guild of friends from work - I was wondering - If a melee zoned in from the Feerott area - can he zone out or does he need to have a porter of somekind?

I guess my question is - how do you zone out?

Edited, Sun Feb 29 03:27:55 2004

OK i have Questions

1) What are spawn rates of minis and ther PH's?

2) Rumor has it Inny can be pulled to a corner and not have adds spawn True or False?

3) What Are Raid numbers for successful Inny Hits? and was there Add Spawns when you did it?

4) What of this garbage Inny can Spawn in a different zone True OR False?



Edited, Fri Feb 27 02:26:25 2004

Will a dark elf necromancer have faction with hate? or is everything kos? I just hit 46 and thought id go hail Inoruuk lol...is their a way to get faction in hate?

Excellent guide.

http://www.guildseofon.com/raidinghate.html

I was wondering if anyone has any information on pally epic mob (Thought Destroyer) since revamp. I think it is pretty much a fact that he doesn't pop from banshee corpses any more.

Can a group of 55-62 (62 being cleric) get to and kill the corrupter of life?, or should I grab some more friends and guildies?

FYI, I foraged no food there at all. All I got while there was some dusty cobwebs, fetid fluid, deadly mushroom, cockroaches, and some water

I have posted a very basic map of the zone here:

http://www.meryddian.net/pohate.html

I have also created a very basic mod for the StoryWindow regarding the list of epic drops and a new set of quests that take place between Greater Faydark and PoHate, you can download it here:

http://www.meryddian.net/storywindow.html

I am updating it as I compile information, so please note it is not complete *yet* but there is enough information to get you started on questing.

* * *

Plane of Hate v.2 (aka New Hate) consists of 3 main areas:

North of the cathedral/zone-in: lowest level mobs of the zone, the "old favorites" from the original hate. If you have an epic piece that drops off a "common" mob from Old Hate, this is where to hunt. This is also the area you will need to hunt to get the Minor Signet and common drops for the first part of the GFay/Hate quests. Good exp hunting for 46-high 50's.

Cathedral/central/south: The center of the zone is dominated by the Maestro's Cathedral. Several of the named mobs in the zone spawn in/near here. Mobs that used to be on the second level of Old Hate are also found throughout this area. This is the area you need to hunt for the Crests and common drops for the 2nd part of the GFay/Hate quests. Good aaxp for those in their 60's.

Innoruuk's citadel: Home to the Big Boss of Hate himself, this is where Innoruuk spawns, and the highest level dark elf mobs are. Good aaxp for those in their 60's.

Maestro and Innoruuk drop the books needed to complete the 3rd step of the GFay/Hate quests.

The respawn rate of the common mobs in the zone is now about 8 minutes, which means that exp groups can now come up and camp parts of Hate. The zone can easily accommodate 6-8 groups (or more, depending on how readily your group is able to dispatch mobs) The minibosses seem to have varying respawn rates and at least one of them (Grandmaster) has a placeholder.

Hope this info gives a bit of starter info. :)

So I hear that PoH is undergoing a revamp soon, any ideas on what this may consist of?......I for one hope that the Shattered Emerald of Corruption (Ranger Epic) will become a more common drop so I can get my other 'lectric Sword!

Edited, Thu Mar 6 07:25:52 2003

What's the repop time on Hate named? We cleared it last night, but I'm afraid we ganked them from an allied guild who was planning to raid up there today. I thought it was 7-8 hours, but someone told me 3 days today. Who's right?

I have been trying to get the book of souls for about 2 months now. Failed because of missed rolls, Hate already camped, our guild cant go alone, etc.

Anyways, I am looking for some advice on a path to the Book of souls via sneak/hide that will be the safest way to get the book. I have a gate potion to Thurg, so I can get out. I have a good map and know the stairs to take up to Rancors room, just not sure the best path. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Priapus, 53 Rogue

Is everyone on my server a freak? On all the hate raids I've been on we've taken out the first floor entirely in the gate room. But everything I read about here has you going to the designated camp.

And while we're on about my server being freakish, is it just my server or is it always that if someone manages to survive a wipe and can't FD it means they can't rez? I've been through too many wipes and only the necros and monks survive and none of the clerics make it....

Hi,
I am a troll warrior bowing only to innoruk.
Can I hunt here without losing faction?
If evil races cannot hunt here...then how do guilds with both evil and good races find a place to hunt?

Bumraz
53 warrior

Looking for a Guide to Innoruuk. We tried him after clearin PoH but where only ble to get him between 50 to 60 percent even with the recycle group having 2 epic clerics clicking the corpses. Anyone seen one? (Not bad for our first attempt as a guild to take a god)

SW camp, we use this all the time still. Cast See invis and invis jsut before port up. Have Rogues and Monks port up first and scout it out. We had a level 60 Rogue take out all traps prior to heading to SW Camp.. and its really more of a West Wall camp that we use. We do have a CR ru after port ups, but what break in to a Full popped PoH doesn't?

Up to a day before the raid

Post to the guild website that you are going to go, so that the raid leader can plan the groups in advance

Post to the guild website what loot you want, so that a loot-order table can be made in advance

Learn the terrain-find a good map and study it. Nothing is worse than having bad lag, turning around and realizing that you have no clue where everyone went, and you have no clue where you are. If you have studied the map and maybe have a printable version, you can possibly help someone to find you. Find out the route the raid will be taking from the port-in room to the first camp so if you fall behind, lag, or otherwise get left behind, you know which way to go.

Study your enemy. There are a whole slew of websites out there that can tell you almost everything you need to know about the creatures you will be fighting. The more you know, the easier it will be to bring them down.

If the information is posted, set up your hotkeys for MA, SA, heals, and clarity set up in advance. I will go into more detail on this later.

Stock up on things you will need for the raid. Purchase spell components, food and water, etc. Also don&#8217;t forget to have what you need handy in RL to be spending 6-12 hours at your computer. Food that can be grabbed from the kitchen on the go, a 24 pack of pop or a container to hold other beverages and keep them hot or cold, and cigarettes if you smoke. It is also handy to have paper/pen handy by your computer.

Log at the meeting spot the night before so you don&#8217;t have to worry about getting a port at the last minute. If you are a tank, get bound at the closest city, if you are a caster, at the meeting spot it&#8217;s self unless you are a porting class and can port to the meeting spot when needed. This will facilitate communications in the case of a wipe-out (and there will be at least one) especially if there are non-guild members at the raid. It also helps to have an alt guilded so that if you have to camp or /q you can keep in contact.

The day of the raid: Before the raid
Log on at least 15 minutes before the scheduled start time for the raid. An hour is preferable.

Contact the raid leader and let them know that you are there.

If you were unable to get to the meeting location the night before, do so now.

If you don&#8217;t know already, find out who the MA and SA are. Make a hotkey with 2 lines on it. The first being /target <main assist> the next being /assist. Do the same with the other hotkey, substituting <secondary assist> for <main assist>
If you don&#8217;t know already, find out who you will be asking for buffs such as clarity, symbol, speed, etc. Make a hotkey asking this person in /tell for the buff you need so that all the people on the raid don&#8217;t have any more chat to have to scroll through than necessary.

If you don&#8217;t know already, find out who you will be asking for things such as cure poison, and make a hotkey informing them that you are poisoned and need a cure ASAP

Make a hotkey to tell your group and the MA that you are being attacked if you are not a melee

Find out which chat channels will be used for which purpose. Most guilds will have raid leaders, group leaders, pullers, and MA/SA use one channel, looters another, and have another channel designated for frivolous chat, /auction is good to use for this, as it can be turned off at will, and more than likely will not be being used by anyone else. If you don&#8217;t want to listen, and want to concentrate on the raid, turn this channel off now.

Find out which group you will be in. Find or make a designated spot for your group to sit. This will assist in finding each other and facilitate quicker buffing.
Find out who the designated looter for your group will be if it is decided by raid leader, if not, decide that amongst the group now.

If you are a buffing or porting class, get your spell reagents from the raid leader now.

If you are a mage, start passing out mod rods. Make sure everyone has one. These are for the clerics. This will allow you to get to FM before the port-up, and also if there is a wipeout on the break-in it will ensure there is mana immediately available for the clerics.

If you are a buffing class, find out from the leader which buffs you will be placing on people. Once the call to buff is placed, move from group to group, buffing in an orderly fashion. Once all buffs on groups are done, then the buffers can buff them selves and all the other buffers.

Once all buffs have been placed on you, log to the chat server. This will ensure that all the buffs are still there and will not wear off during the break-in.

Once everyone is buffed and logged out to the chat server, the call will be given to log back in. Do so immediately. Do not decide that you have a minute or two, so now is the time to do last minute preparations. These need to have been done before you ever logged on.

Once logged in, immediately get in your groups. Stay in your group areas. Once the call has been given for the port up, you don&#8217;t want the porter to have to ask if you are ready. Be ready.

If you are one of the porters, get to whichever group the leader tells you to port up first. Group with them, wait for the call to port, then port up. If you will be expected to port multiple groups, Disband and immediately gate back down.

Once you are in the portal room, stand in the center. Do not go near the walls, do not sit down. The room is small, more so when there are multiple groups in there. Be patient, put up with the sweat and the stench, it is better than being dead.

Once all groups are up, then it is time to do the most difficult part, the break-in.

The day of the raid: The break-in

If you are lucky, nothing aggroed upon port-in. If not, you got in a fight immediately. If this is the case, do not panic. Use your MA hotkey, and fight that mob. Trust your enchanters to mez the rest. I will detail more on fighting later.
If it looks hopeless, and you think you will not make it, keep fighting. Watch your raid channels. If the order is given for the clerics to camp out, protect those clerics at all costs. Once the clerics have safely made it out, then you can /q to get yourself out. If you are a Monk, SK, or Necro, feign death if you can. This will allow you to let others know when it is safe to come back. Once you have told the raid leader it is safe, you must /q out to clear agro. Unfortunately, sometimes agro stays after you have gotten out. Stay out for 3 minutes to ensure agro is gone.

Once everyone is ported in and any immediately aggroed baddies are dead, the puller will proceed to pull mobs from the route to the first camp. Do not sit down unless you have to, you might accidentally aggro the mobs from the surrounding buildings.

Once the route to the first camp is clear, the order will be given to move out. The raid leader or the puller will be the one to lead the raid to the first camp. The route is along the walls. Walk ½ way up the wall, no more no less. Any more, you might agro stuff from the second floor, any less, you might agro stuff from the buildings you pass.

If anything attacks you, stand there and die. Do not bring it to the camp with you. Better to have only one person dead than the entire raid. Get a /loc before you die, so that you can tell the corpse dragger where your body is. It will be brought to the camp and rezzed there.

If Innoruuk shouts your name, immediately /q out. That means that you have somehow managed to agro him, and he will either death touch you, or come down from the second floor, bringing the entire zone with him. Wait for 3 minutes, log back in, and then proceed carefully to the camp, as the rest of the raiding party will have already gotten there. If you get aggroed on the way there, see above on drawing agro on the way.

The day of the raid: The first camp

Stay at the camp. Now is not the time to wander or explore. If you want to do that, use an emulator that will allow you to explore the zone offline. Now is also not the time to practice your safe fall. Stay below the ½ way point of the wall.

The puller will proceed to pull mobs from around the zone. Get used to this spot, at least half the first floor mobs will be fought from here.

Watch the raid channels. If a pull goes bad, you need to know when the order is given for the clerics to camp out. If a mob drops no-drop armor for your class you need to know so that when /random starts to happen, you don&#8217;t have to ask what it is for, and if you are the only person of your class, or the only person of your class who needs that particular piece, you can loot it before it rots.

Once everything that is going to be pulled to the first camp has been destroyed, the order will be given to move to the Organ Hall.

The day of the raid: The Organ Hall

The rules for moving to the Organ Hall are the same as moving to the first camp. Follow the raid leader or the puller. If you are aggroed, stay and die. If Inny shouts your name /q

The Organ Hall its self is fairly safe. Now is the time to sit, med, heal, etc, staying away from the walls. Also, do not sit on the throne. I have yet to find out exactly why, but I suspect it has the possibility of aggroing something. Casters need to sit closer to the throne, melees closer to the door.

The puller will proceed to pull the rest of the first floor mobs to this spot. Once again, get used to it, you will be here for a while.

Watch the raid channels. If a pull goes bad, you need to know when the order is given for the clerics to camp out. If a mob drops no-drop armor for your class you need to know so that when /random starts to happen, you don&#8217;t have to ask what it is for, and if you are the only person of your class, or the only person of your class who needs that particular piece, you can loot it before it rots.

Once all of the mobs have been pulled, it is time to take on the Maestro. Time to buff, heal, and med again. Some guilds have everyone log to the chat server at this point and re-log in after everyone is buffed. Mages need to start mass-producing mod rods again and dropping them on the floor. This will allow the clerics to be able to quickly replenish their mana during the battle, it might mean surviving or dying.

Once all the prep-work is done, the puller will pull the maestro. Casters need to stay back, as he grav-fluxes and this hurts. A lot. He will come down eventually, and you can congratulate yourself on a job well done.

If the goal of the raid is only the first floor, you are finished. You can wait for things to re-spawn and kill them again, or you can get your friendly wizard or druid to port you out.

If the goal of the raid is to do the entire plane, you will continue on to the second floor. I have never been to the second floor, so I do not have the knowledge to write a guide for it.


The day after the raid

The raid leader or guild vault keeper will have had a chance to get all the loot together, and anything that is not no-drop will be distributed at this time. All jewels or jewelry that was looted will either be sold to cover the costs of the peridots and port stones and to fund the next raid or made into jewelry for people in the guild.
General Plane rules

Do not use pets (except Wizard pets which do not draw agro)

Do not use AoE spells as they can draw agro from the second floor.

Do not use DOT spells, as they will make mobs unmezzable

Watch the raid channels closely for orders to camp or orders to move

If you have to camp, do not sit and camp, sitting will draw more agro than standing, use /q instead

Always, always protect your clerics. They are crucial to the raid. If all the clerics die, CR will be difficult if not impossible without a Necro to summon.

Do not fall asleep. Don&#8217;t laugh, it happens. If you feel like you are going to fall asleep, let the raid leader know and have a Wizard TL you out.

Do not gate or evac out. You will not be able to come back up unless you are prepared to pay 200-300 pp for a port stone and there is a mage present to CoH you.

If you show up and the raid has already started, do not ask if it&#8217;s too late to come unless you are prepared to pay 200-300 pp for a port stone and there is a mage present to CoH you.

Do not demand that the puller pull specific mobs. They will eventually be gotten to when it is time. The mobs will be pulled in an order that makes it more likely that you will live to tell about it.

Any questions you have, ask your group leader. They will relay them when appropriate.

Do not break mez unless you are the MA.

Come to the raid expecting to die. It happens to everyone, you can be rezzed.

Do not come to the raid expecting XP a raid is about taking down some hard mobs and possibly getting some cool items or armor.

If you don&#8217;t get something you wanted, don&#8217;t whine about it. There will be other mobs and other raids.

Write down on your handy paper who is in your group. That way if something happens and the group has to re-form, you know who was in it.
If you are a designated buffer, unless the tells for buffs are coming slowly enough that you can keep track of them, it&#8217;s a good idea to keep a list on the paper of who needs what buffs and cross them off when given.

General fighting rules

Watch the raid channels. The puller will let everyone know what s/he is pulling and the MA will let everyone know which mob they are attacking first. If the MA needs to switch targets, this will be announced in raid channels as well.

Do not attack the mob until the MA says to attack in raid channels.

Sprite Golems and Ashenbone drakes are highly magic resistant. As such, they cannot be mezzed. The MA will switch targets to these, allowing the other mob to be mezzed. If you are a caster, do not waste your mana on trying to cast on them, the spells will be resisted.

Casters, do not cast on a mob till it is about 70% dead. Allow the melees some time to build hate.

Do not let the mobs run. If you have been assigned to be the designated snarrer, snare the mob when it is at half health.

If you are attacked while in the camp, do not run around like a chicken with it&#8217;s head cut off. Either stand where you are, or run towards the melees. Use your &#8220;I&#8217;m being attacked&#8221; hotkey.

Always, always protect your clerics. They are crucial to the raid. If all the clerics die, CR will be difficult if not impossible without a Necro to summon. Did I say this twice? I meant to. It&#8217;s one of the most important things.

If the call has been given for the clerics to camp, watch until they are out. Once they are out, you have 2 choices. You can fight to the death, or take your chances with a /q /qing is better; it means less rezzes for the clerics to have to do.

If someone has handed their mod rod to a cleric, they should ask a mage for another. It&#8217;s generally a good idea to have a hotkey made for this to ask in /tell

If there has been a wipeout, upon respawning at the bind point, mages should start making mod rods and handing them to the others that have died. This way, there are some already made before rezzes since a rez drains all mana. After being rezzed, the mod rod should be handed to the cleric to regain some of the mana spent on the rez. After looting the body, the rezee should ask the cleric if they need the other rod that had been on the corpse.

General looting rules

Each group should have a master looter. When looting mobs, the looter should announce in the proper raid channel what it dropped. Example: /ooc %t dropped coin, gems, and no drop bard armor
If it drops no-drop stuff, during the next lull, it will be looted following guild looting rules.

If it drops something that is not no-drop, it should be looted and kept.

After the raid is over, all items and money will be handed to the guild vault keeper. The money will be used to pay for the raid and to foot the bill for the next one. Any items will be distributed the next day.


If you haven&#8217;t noticed, the keys here are being prepared, keeping your clerics safe and supplied with mana, and keeping screen-clogging chat to a minimum.

I hope this guide can be of use to people, and possibly make their experience raiding hate much more enjoyable-or at least keep the bad stuff to a minimum.

Oh, yeah. Have fun while you are up there, cause if you aren&#8217;t having fun, then it&#8217;s not much of a game, is it?

Calandria Incendre
Wizard of the 51st Level
Member of Dark Nightshade
Innoruuk server

wells you cant go into any of the planes in levels below 45 its 46 + and up. second if your exited, thats good but dont overdue yoursef, you still need to play alot to get to the high 40's Ive been a level 49 iskar and once I went on the Plane of hate. ts starts off with a couple mobs then get biger. Before you know it your heading off into the second floor. stupidly you SHOULDNT! Still running to the nearest little room could become a trap and get imps on your butt. Dont try to explore because its a maze of mobs left and right. Stay with your group when you got to go tto second floor get ready for an A$$ kikin of epic proportions level 55 + shouldnt worry so much if you have a strong groop but level 45 - 50 should stay close to another group though cool the last thing you would want is to have to trail back to find your corpse

"Warrior of spirit,wisdom,strength,and loyalty"

Sorulak

Our guild all 54+ went to hate and after 6 hours of garbage rezzing and stuff like that we finally got to work. We went to ne break. tore it up. We then marched and wentbuilding area after area and killed everyhting. Then we killed inny...he was easy as pie. Then we cleared the rest of zone. IT took us about 3 hours to clear whole zone. AWESOME. Every single person got something.
Hate is a cool plane but my guids fav plane is sky. VERY NEAT PLANE.
Mischief is okay,,,not that much fun.
Growth is coll yet can get boring.
Fear is for chickens.

GO ELITES GOrgoths