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Anatomy/Assassination
# Apr 28 2011 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Does anyone have any updated information about the lvs a Rogue can Assassinate a target.

Let us say lv 70 without any points into Anatomy? How far down in lvs can the Rogue Assiassinate a target?

Any insight would be appreciated or an updated website with a chart.
backstab from front w/o aa
# Feb 23 2010 at 11:10 PM Rating: Decent
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i have a 47 rogue on prexus and i have been playing him for a few days in a row now, and i just began noticing today that while tanking (i play just healer merc and i with DS pots) that i am able to successfully backstab from the front just as well as from the back. from the back my high backstabs are about 270 my lows are about 65, and w/sneak attack i am doing about 350. from the front i am getting the same dmg/hit rate.

is anyone else noticing they can backstab from in front w/o aas? if you dont believe me you may try making a rogue and see if you can backstab from in front. when i inquired in general if anyone knew about this, a 46 rogue reported the same experience today. i am not sure if i was able to yesterday, i only accidentally notcied it today while tanking solo with merc.

regardless, i am not putting in a bug report... why not backstab from the front til i get the aa ><

Edit: A fairly old rogue page says in its backstab section that "if you use the backstab attack from the front, it counts as an extra, normal pierce attack, but it will not trigger double attack and/or dual wield. You also will not gain skill points in backstab using it from the front."

Another old site further elaborates, and defines backstab as "an extra attack that does damage as a MULITPLE of the damage stat of [the rogue's] weapon." It goes on to say that "the rogue must be behind the mob when hitting Backstab to do this damage, otherwise the extra attack does only normal damage"

So before obtaining Chaotic Stab AA there is no backstab MULTIPLIER when backstabbing from the front. BUT when you DO get Chaotic Stab, then you will gain the MULTIPLIER when backstabbing from the front of the mob, though it will only do minimum MULTIPLIER damage (which should still be higher than the damage of a regular attack).

i.e. If you have not obtained Chaotic stab aa, then pressing backstab from the front WILL do damage, but only as much as a regular, non-backstab, weapon swing. AFTER you obtain Chaotic Stab pressing backstab from the front will do more damage than a regular weapon swing, but pretty much always less damage than if you were pressing backstab from the back.

Regardless of how backstab is SUPPOSED to work in the first place... i am still seeing max backstab damage from the front at 51 w/o chaotic stab ><.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2010 1:50am by Ikkysar

Edited, Mar 3rd 2010 1:51am by Ikkysar
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Backstab
# Feb 20 2009 at 8:52 PM Rating: Default
An 85 rogue can crit for about 20kish these days. I've got a triple backstab crit for over 50k (im sure some rogues have gotten higher than that).
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# Dec 09 2008 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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ON MY LVL 58 ROGUE I GOT A REGULAR BS FOR 1958....AND THEN I CRIT'D THE VERY NEXT MOB FOR 3072....ALSO HAVE DOUBLED CRIT'D FOR 1673/1432
bs dmg + items
# Jun 23 2006 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I have gloves that have backstab dmg +20 and a neck with +10 for a total of +30, how much does this add to my bs hits? Just 30 more points of dmg?
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Quad backstab
# May 26 2005 at 12:50 PM Rating: Default
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Anyone ever seen a Quad backstab? I have done it on 2 seperate occassions and i have a screenshot of the second to prove it. I am just curious if it is a glitch in game or what it is.
RE: Quad backstab
# May 02 2006 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
I play a 65 Epic 1.0 (nearly got 1.5) Rogue on AB server.

I havent seen a Quad BS, but i regularly do 32k blows from Assasinates with Backstab and also with Throwing (so long as you throw from behind the mob), i also do 32k with Finishing blow and if you Crit any of them then it doubles to a 64k hp death blow.............its fun to throw a summoned dagger with 3 or 4 damage at a mob and drop it like a stone with 64k hp Assasinate, though it could be anoying if that was the only mob you needed to pull for a specific drop hehe
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RE: Quad backstab
# Feb 03 2007 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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This is sooo sad.....I am lvl 53 rogue and I don't think...no, I know I have never been able to crit. What do I have to do to crit? Does my backstab have to be maxed out? How do I get multiple backstabs? Somebody help me, please?
RE: Quad backstab
# Feb 13 2007 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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You should get double backstabs (chance to double) at level 55. I get crits only when using Sneak Attack or Thieve's Vengence.
RE: Quad backstab
# Jul 27 2005 at 10:58 AM Rating: Default
I believe this may have occurred when you were fighting two mobs at once and one shielded the other when you performed a double backstab. I'm not sure however as I don't have a rogue but I do believe triple backstabs are possible.

EDIT: Confirmed with a look at the AA list that triple backstab is very possible. I'd assume most likely that a mob got shielded and that's why you quad backstabbed. Unless you're very heavily AA'd in which case it could have been a true quad.

Edited, Wed Jul 27 12:05:44 2005
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skill lvling BS
# Feb 03 2005 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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lvl 23 rog my backstab is only 30 and even tho i have it in a hotkey and use it every time it times throug as well as in my evade hotkey the skill level only seems to go up if i train. wassup w/that?

have pp in same hotkey and its chugging its way merrily up.

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skill lvling BS
# Aug 29 2006 at 10:06 PM Rating: Decent
Backstab only goes up in skill if you're actually behing the mob. That's why it's important to have someone else taking the hits.
RE: skill lvling BS
# Feb 06 2005 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a level 20 rogue and have the same problem getting skill points up. I have been buffed with dex, agi, and intell, as well as wisdom and it does not seem to matter. What is the best way to get this skill up? Thanks for any help.
My highest BS crit and highest assassinate
# Jan 07 2005 at 2:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I just recently scored a BS crit for 2017 and the same day scored a 66000(66k)assassinate on a mob in Dranik's scar
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my first assassination BS
# Dec 13 2004 at 11:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I am lvl 61 now and i assassinated a mob for 32000points of damage!I was so happy.
Good luck my fellow Rogues.
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RE: my first assassination BS
# Dec 14 2004 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
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It is a great thing. If only it at least had a chance to work on higher level mobs. ;-)
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my finest backstab
# Sep 13 2004 at 4:34 AM Rating: Decent
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i just got a 217 crit backstab at lvl 29 hehehe the skelly never saw it comin




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Backstab Skill
# Mar 20 2004 at 1:37 AM Rating: Decent
Sup guys.

Hey I wanted to know exactly what the backstab skill itself modifies. Does it affect your maximum damage at all? It seems like it does but I'm not sure. You are guys seem to be the genius-type. Plz let me know.

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Charisma - is it important?
# Sep 15 2003 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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This may be a silly question (and, to be honest, I think I already know the answer), but does Charisma have any relevance at all to your chances of getting a successful Backstab. The reason I ask is I recently bought a new piece of armour for my level 25 Rogue. It increased my Strength, Stamina and Armour Class but reduced by Charisma by a few points. Before I bought it, when I hit Backstab I would get a hit 80% of the time but now, with my new armour, my success rate with Backstab is only about 40% and I'm still attacking the same sort of monsters.
RE: Charisma - is it important?
# Feb 14 2004 at 5:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unless you're an enchanter/sk charisma has ONE significant use.... * BUYING A HORSE *. that's about it these days.
You're a rogue so...no not really, dont' worry about charisma on your default combat gear. A lot of people I know have a suite of cha geat for when the occasion comes.

But of course there is not such thing as too much of any stat, (-SK) but don't make it any sort of priority.
Backstab max!
# Aug 26 2003 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent


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# Aug 14 2003 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I am a 65 Veteran Rogue on Tholuxe Paells and have gotten Double Backstab crit of 1460 and 1408 with Duelist on and fully buffed. 2800 nuke not too bad! =)
Highest Backstab
# Apr 29 2003 at 5:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Heres a question that has been bugging me for quite some time. about 5 months ago before I retired my character I BS for 1298 when i first got my "Ifir, dagger of Fire" and I was wondering if anyone has ever BS for more and would you happen to know what the max BS has been. I know no one else that has BS for more than I have so was kinda curious. ( Not Including Assassinate)

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RE: Highest Backstab
# Jul 31 2003 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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A rogue in our guild hit a critical backstab for 1705, he's kinda proud of it. I'm sure there's people that can stab for more, I just haven't seen it personally.

Edited, Thu Jul 31 14:41:00 2003
Backstab Classes
# Apr 23 2003 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Can warriors backstab too? and if they can, what weap should I buy for my 13 warr so he can do some serious backstabbing?
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RE: Backstab Classes
# Nov 22 2003 at 2:02 PM Rating: Default
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although you do not get backstab. our guild has recently started putting mt in front of mob and all others behind (including me, the rogue) We seem to be getting better dps than putting all in front except the backstabbing little guy. bummer is, that i spent a LOT of time with my warrior remembering to stand in FRONT of the mob and away from rogues so that he could do his thing. now i'm the rogue and all melee but one is beside me.
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# Apr 23 2003 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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Backstab classes are Rogue and.... Well Rogue.

Its a class specific ability. Nobody but rogues can do it. Besides, your warrior wants the mob to be hitting him, not turned away.
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RE: Backstab Classes
# May 05 2004 at 7:58 AM Rating: Decent
Bards should be able to Backstab, they do most of the Rogue's other jobs. May as well. =P
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# Apr 23 2003 at 6:43 PM Rating: Excellent
Don't forget Rogue...oh wait, you said Rogue...
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RE: Backstab Classes
# Jul 27 2005 at 11:01 AM Rating: Default
I always thought that too Squire Soulgrinder. They get like literally every other skill that rogues do.

It's not like the bards need any MORE versatility though =P
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Backstab and Haste
# Apr 11 2003 at 1:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Does Haste items and spells effect backstab delay?
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Good question, I have no idea what the answer is but I would like to know as well.

Edited, Wed Jun 25 16:16:14 2003
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RE: Backstab and Haste
# Jun 25 2003 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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Haste will effect your BS timer. You can nearly halve the 8 second timer with a full gammut of haste buffs/items/songs.
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# Apr 03 2003 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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hehe i did 313 with a 13 dmg weapon at lvl 45. i think thats pretty good, considering that the weapon is worth 300, yet i bs for more than a weapon that costs 10k. Though i do think my equipment is pretty good though.

P.S. oh yeah and it was on a yellow-conning mob :)

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Yup
# Feb 07 2003 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, it's true. Though my main is a Monk, one of my best friends is a Rogue. At level 60, they get an innate ability to do 32000 or 32,000 or 32k damage (however you want to type it) With a Backstab or THROWING WEAPON (She's done it MANY times) to mobs under level 48 (I think... it MIGHT be 45) and it DOES leave a corpse. It's actually pretty cool to see

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(I forgot a zero on 32000, that's what the edit was)

Edited, Fri Feb 7 10:09:37 2003
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RE: Yup
# Feb 22 2003 at 8:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Its called Assassinate and its a 1% chance to kill a target instantly. It only works on mobs that are under 55 (or is it 50?)
RE: Yup
# May 05 2004 at 7:58 AM Rating: Decent
I think it's under 46 or 48.
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general question
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What about a weapon determines how much BS you do with that weapon?

Ok, well clearly *some* things are obvious, but I mean what factors are contained within the weapon itself? Is it simply its damage rating? Or do some weapons just BS better than others with the same damage rating?

Thanks. :)
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RE: general question
# Jan 27 2003 at 10:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Damage first, in the weapon's damage rating. Then your ATK (STR included), and backstab skill rating.

A 15 Damage weapon will backstab significantly higher than even a 13 Damage weapon, and ATK has a direct effect on your maximum. Backstab skill influences the damage across the board and also, don't quote me on this, how much you hit with your backstabs.
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RE: backstab
# Dec 19 2002 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
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rogue AA lets you get assasination and BS for 32000
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# Jan 13 2003 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Rogue Assassination is an innate skill that we get at level 60. You do 32000 damage to mobs UNDER level 45 or 48, I forget actually. It is addended to a Backstab, so must be done from behind. Yes, it's for real.
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RE: backstab
# Jan 08 2003 at 9:15 PM Rating: Decent
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32000? or 3200? if your correct, we would be doing more than wizzys criting with mana burn)

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RE: backstab
# Jul 29 2003 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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32K or 32000
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32k is the same as 32000
RE: backstab
# Jul 27 2005 at 11:03 AM Rating: Default
I believe he was simply clarifying by typing it out two different ways.

Some people need to see that many zeros to get it.
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# Dec 02 2002 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
MY BEST IS A 2567 :p thats with primal, crit and disc .



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RE: DAMAGE
# Jan 13 2003 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent
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What is primal, and disc?
highest BS
# Oct 25 2002 at 5:13 PM Rating: Decent
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my 60 rogue with his 15 20 wepaon backstabed for 1800, thats disc duelist and critical though
backstabbing
# Sep 02 2002 at 12:54 AM Rating: Decent
my cuz says he saw a 55th lvl backstab for 653 i think
backstab
# Sep 02 2002 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
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What is the most someone have ever backstabed for?
RE: backstab
# Feb 14 2003 at 9:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Lol, my highest BS is 219 sadly (





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RE: backstab
# Nov 08 2004 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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with my 56 Rogue the highest crit i have scored was for 1480.I have also done a crit double BS for 1098 and 519=)

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RE: backstab
# Apr 07 2003 at 3:25 AM Rating: Default
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Have you been practicing BS? What's your skill, str, atk, skill with the weap, and the weap's dmg?
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RE: backstab
# Oct 08 2002 at 10:44 PM Rating: Decent
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alot i guess
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RE: backstab
# May 11 2005 at 6:34 AM Rating: Decent
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my bests are 612 at 40 795 at 50 (although i can hit 650ish with TV normally so i reckon it was a partial
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