Jewelry Making
The Jeweler can make magical rings, bracelets and necklaces that add to the player's abilities and stats.
What is the best way to develop and use the jewelry making skill? Which recipes are the best and the worst ones? Can you make a profit from making jewelry, and if so how? What class is best suited to this skill?
Post your strategies on how to best use and develop the jewelry making skill, and read, rate and comment on those posted by others.
Anonymous
WHere is the best place or places to find a NPC who sells jewelry kits and bars (silver, gold etc)? And also if you could tell me what the name of the NPC who sells this stuff i would be truly greatful. I have been looking in the area that i am in now and am not seeing anything! PLease help me.
Anonymous
I have found that Erudin is the best place to get gems, there is a shop there that has 4 diff bars. and almost all the gems you can actually buy. it's by the bank in the palace (go down the stairs) yw :)
-Intrinzix
Morell Thulle :(
24th Chanter :)
76th skill JC :|
-Intrinzix
Morell Thulle :(
24th Chanter :)
76th skill JC :|
Anonymous
I found Kelethin to be a very good place to practice JC; the store Sparkling Glass has 3 rare gems and all the metals (except velium), and the mechant standing by the tree across the long bridge there sells all the rest of the store bought gems.
Neriak is also a good place to start.
Bars are sold by an Ogre named Canarie in Shinie Tings in the South foreign quarter. Telnor D'Unnar sells more than 15 gems in The Bauble in third gate.
Bars are sold by an Ogre named Canarie in Shinie Tings in the South foreign quarter. Telnor D'Unnar sells more than 15 gems in The Bauble in third gate.
Anonymous
A few very good places for beggining to slightly intermediate jewelers to buy jewels, bars and silver that I have found are listed below:
In North Qeynos, the go to the Ironforge's (near pally guild, brown building, Nerissa Clothespinner sometimes hangs out there) and when you walk inside go straight and turn to right, so that you see the female merchants. They sell jeweler accesories.
In Erudin Palace, I'm not entirely aware of what the store name is, but I know that there is a jewelery store there. Also, I think Vials of Vitality has some gems.
In Ak'Anon Clockwork merchants sell gems, but you might ask a guide to show you to one.
In Greater Faydark there is an elf who sells jewels and kits (bars too, I think)
I hope this has been of some help to you, and I wish you many great jewelery-making skill points =)
Tyki Torche
Druid of the
29th season
In North Qeynos, the go to the Ironforge's (near pally guild, brown building, Nerissa Clothespinner sometimes hangs out there) and when you walk inside go straight and turn to right, so that you see the female merchants. They sell jeweler accesories.
In Erudin Palace, I'm not entirely aware of what the store name is, but I know that there is a jewelery store there. Also, I think Vials of Vitality has some gems.
In Ak'Anon Clockwork merchants sell gems, but you might ask a guide to show you to one.
In Greater Faydark there is an elf who sells jewels and kits (bars too, I think)
I hope this has been of some help to you, and I wish you many great jewelery-making skill points =)
Tyki Torche
Druid of the
29th season
Anonymous
I'm a little confused on how to make jewelry if someone could please explain it in layman terms i would greatly aprreciate it.
Anonymous
Extremely simple - take one gem that you've either looted off of a monster or purchased from a merchant, one bar of precious metal (silver, electrum, gold, platinum and now velium) which you purchase from venders and once in a great while loot off a monster and place them in a jewlers kit which is usually for sale from the same merchents who sell the precious metals.
Once you have placed those two components (and to the best of my knowledge, jewlery making never requires more than two components now adays) in a jewlers kit you hit combine and pray to the gods that it worked since a failure at the cheapest levels of jewlery making costs around 6 gold peices.
If you are an 8th level or higher enchanter or know one, before you make your jewlery, you can cast ENCHANT SILVER on your silver bars so that when you make them into jewlery they have magic bonuses to them.
Once you have placed those two components (and to the best of my knowledge, jewlery making never requires more than two components now adays) in a jewlers kit you hit combine and pray to the gods that it worked since a failure at the cheapest levels of jewlery making costs around 6 gold peices.
If you are an 8th level or higher enchanter or know one, before you make your jewlery, you can cast ENCHANT SILVER on your silver bars so that when you make them into jewlery they have magic bonuses to them.
Anonymous
Thanks you very much i understand now!
Anonymous
This isn't a comprehensive article, this is just a quick and dirty to get people rolling.
1) Only enchanters can enchant metals to make magic jewlery - as eletist as this is going to sound, any other class is just wasting their time with this skill unless they can get a steady supply of enchanted metal.
2) Jewlery making is as or more expensive as blacksmithing to increase your skill - I highly recomend putting a full 20 points into training it before you even purchase a jewlers kit.
3) There doesn't seem to be any difficulty difference between making enchanted and unenchanted jewlery so there's no real point in not taking the extra time to enchant your metals before you use them, even if you're only practicing - this means wait till 8th level when you get the enchant silver spell.
4) And to answer your next question, all of the enchant metal spells are found in the Dark Elf city in the "third quarter" - you can pay a freind or stranger to buy them for you, you can try to stealth your way in or you can make a mule character of your own to do the purchase or you can come up with your own idea - there's no best way short of being a dark elf enchanter.
5) Jade, Jasper and Star Rose Quartz - those are your money makers since the spell casters will kill for them - there's better stuff out there, but it's expensive as all heck - Jade is the most expensive of the three at 4pp a shot. Jade rings go for around 10pp, Jasper and SRQ for about 3pp a pop. Jade gives you +5HP, +5mana and +1AC, the other two give you +2 wisdom and int respectively.
6) Keep an eye on your total material costs when practicing - once the cost of the gem and the metal exceed the cost of the cheapest gem plus the next more expensive metal, switch over to that - there's no profit in 25pp per practice point - especially if you can't even enchant electrum yet.
7) Gems and metal bars stack - finished jewlery doesnt - it's easier just to carry loose gems and silver on you and simply make jewlery on demand then it is to carry a backpack full of rings.
8) Get a feel for the server - some servers are more profitable than others - it also helps to goto zones where the races don't have easy access to enchanters or raw materials - lack of supply creates greater demand - Oasis of Marr is excellent if dangerous since you've got alot of mid-teen characters fighting for thier lives and earning nice plat in the process - prepare to be paid with several hundred silver and copper peices though.
9) For more detailed info, hit EQTRADERS.com
1) Only enchanters can enchant metals to make magic jewlery - as eletist as this is going to sound, any other class is just wasting their time with this skill unless they can get a steady supply of enchanted metal.
2) Jewlery making is as or more expensive as blacksmithing to increase your skill - I highly recomend putting a full 20 points into training it before you even purchase a jewlers kit.
3) There doesn't seem to be any difficulty difference between making enchanted and unenchanted jewlery so there's no real point in not taking the extra time to enchant your metals before you use them, even if you're only practicing - this means wait till 8th level when you get the enchant silver spell.
4) And to answer your next question, all of the enchant metal spells are found in the Dark Elf city in the "third quarter" - you can pay a freind or stranger to buy them for you, you can try to stealth your way in or you can make a mule character of your own to do the purchase or you can come up with your own idea - there's no best way short of being a dark elf enchanter.
5) Jade, Jasper and Star Rose Quartz - those are your money makers since the spell casters will kill for them - there's better stuff out there, but it's expensive as all heck - Jade is the most expensive of the three at 4pp a shot. Jade rings go for around 10pp, Jasper and SRQ for about 3pp a pop. Jade gives you +5HP, +5mana and +1AC, the other two give you +2 wisdom and int respectively.
6) Keep an eye on your total material costs when practicing - once the cost of the gem and the metal exceed the cost of the cheapest gem plus the next more expensive metal, switch over to that - there's no profit in 25pp per practice point - especially if you can't even enchant electrum yet.
7) Gems and metal bars stack - finished jewlery doesnt - it's easier just to carry loose gems and silver on you and simply make jewlery on demand then it is to carry a backpack full of rings.
8) Get a feel for the server - some servers are more profitable than others - it also helps to goto zones where the races don't have easy access to enchanters or raw materials - lack of supply creates greater demand - Oasis of Marr is excellent if dangerous since you've got alot of mid-teen characters fighting for thier lives and earning nice plat in the process - prepare to be paid with several hundred silver and copper peices though.
9) For more detailed info, hit EQTRADERS.com
Thanks for the advice. I've been wondering if I should move up to low cost gems and electrum to skill up as opposed to working through the more expensive gem and silver combos. I've been working with siver and topaz and there is no market for that. I'll try my hand at electrum now. That'll save my poor chanter girl a ton of money.
Savianna 18th HIE Enchantress
Savianna 18th HIE Enchantress
1) True enough, but some enchanters wont mind enchanting your metal for you, given the proper leverage.
2) Jewelcraft is far more expensive to master than smithing, trust me ;P
3) Goody! ^_^
4) Except for Enchant Velium, only sold in Thurgadin.
5) Noted.
6) Actually, if you had saved all the gems you looted ever since you were a newbie, and turned them into jewelry as you went along, you'd save a fortune...d'oh!!
7) Noted.
8) If you're a caster, dont sweat getting paid in small coin, just remember to bind at the bank...
9) Is there any other place for tradeskills? I think not!
2) Jewelcraft is far more expensive to master than smithing, trust me ;P
3) Goody! ^_^
4) Except for Enchant Velium, only sold in Thurgadin.
5) Noted.
6) Actually, if you had saved all the gems you looted ever since you were a newbie, and turned them into jewelry as you went along, you'd save a fortune...d'oh!!
7) Noted.
8) If you're a caster, dont sweat getting paid in small coin, just remember to bind at the bank...
9) Is there any other place for tradeskills? I think not!
Anonymous
6) This may be humorous to you, but you're better off financially selling the components individually. It will net earn you 3cp to 10pp depending on quality of gems if you have good faction. If you don't have good faction, you have no business in jewelry...or so much money that I'll gladly cut your cost in half with alliance.
9) There are other useful places for trade skills. While this forum is good, there is nothing like good ole EQ to teach you lessons--the hard way.
9) There are other useful places for trade skills. While this forum is good, there is nothing like good ole EQ to teach you lessons--the hard way.
Anonymous
6) Actually, if you had saved all the gems you looted ever since you were a newbie, and turned them into jewelry as you went along, you'd save a fortune...d'oh!!
6) This may be humorous to you, but you're better off financially selling the components individually. It will net earn you 3cp to 10pp depending on quality of gems if you have good faction. If you don't have good faction, you have no business in jewelry...or so much money that I'll gladly cut your cost in half with alliance.
What the heck are you two talking about?!?!? The only time I ever got a gem off of a monster while under 10th level is when I killed one of those wimpy browny scouts that run around Greater Fay on occasion.
As for selling the gems back to the merchants - my enchanter can get two to three times the value of the gem by turning it into jewlry and selling it to PCs - profit of selling it to the merchants is no-where close to that even with warm faction and a 130 charisma.
6) This may be humorous to you, but you're better off financially selling the components individually. It will net earn you 3cp to 10pp depending on quality of gems if you have good faction. If you don't have good faction, you have no business in jewelry...or so much money that I'll gladly cut your cost in half with alliance.
What the heck are you two talking about?!?!? The only time I ever got a gem off of a monster while under 10th level is when I killed one of those wimpy browny scouts that run around Greater Fay on occasion.
As for selling the gems back to the merchants - my enchanter can get two to three times the value of the gem by turning it into jewlry and selling it to PCs - profit of selling it to the merchants is no-where close to that even with warm faction and a 130 charisma.
From my youth, within the first 15 levels, I've looted several low value gems, and sold them to merchants immediately. Also, when I was soloing in Najena at level 20-24, I looted a great deal of them. Had I even considered tradeskills then, I would have taken each and every gem I'd looted and at least attempted to combine them with a bar of metal.
Anonymous
How does the kit know whether you wanna make earring or rings or necklaces?
Is there a certain amount you add or subtract to make these different items?
Is there a certain amount you add or subtract to make these different items?
I think its automatic. Different metal and gem combos make the same thing, you can't choose to make a certain type of jewelry (ie. necklace or ring), it just depends on the type of metal and gem.
Anonymous
This is correct - the type of jewlery is predetermined and there's nothing you can do to change it accept by using different metal/gem combos, but a star rose quartz and a peice of silver (enchanted or mundain) will always make a ring.
This was probobly done to prevent folks from decking themselves out completely in a certain type of jewlery at lower levels - I know that if it wasn't in place, my enchanter and all of my spell casting freinds would be head to toe in jade by now. :)
This was probobly done to prevent folks from decking themselves out completely in a certain type of jewlery at lower levels - I know that if it wasn't in place, my enchanter and all of my spell casting freinds would be head to toe in jade by now. :)
Anonymous
I want to start a Jeweler but haven't figured out what is a good race/class to choose.
I think being able to enchant is great and gating is good for selling to players or going to stores to buy stuff.
Please, I would like to read some views of all you jewelers out there.
Thanks!
Lihuan wannabe jeweler
I think being able to enchant is great and gating is good for selling to players or going to stores to buy stuff.
Please, I would like to read some views of all you jewelers out there.
Thanks!
Lihuan wannabe jeweler
Anonymous
well, i wouldnt suggest being an iksar Sk and being a jeweler (such as i am) i picked this skill up because i believe im one of very few jewelers in cabilis on the morell thule server. it may take me a little long to advance, cost a little more to buy, but i have the surrounding zones all to myself. with that, i can make a little more because supply and demand (god i love that effect) me + only jeweler = decent living.
SKs are int based too so actually, though not complarable to an erudite enchanter, my int is decent. but i still wouldnt suggest it. i heard DE enchanters make fairly decent ones though.
SKs are int based too so actually, though not complarable to an erudite enchanter, my int is decent. but i still wouldnt suggest it. i heard DE enchanters make fairly decent ones though.
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Remember Chanters are masters of illusion and factions, they can get into all cities. So, they can also go to cabilis city to train their JC skills.
With high int and wis u will be the best person to train JC, cha is not a problem when chanters get into high lvl--when they can enchant gold bars or high lvl bars.
With high int and wis u will be the best person to train JC, cha is not a problem when chanters get into high lvl--when they can enchant gold bars or high lvl bars.
Ah........ Hi there.
Anonymous
So how/where do you get your metal enchanted?
Anonymous
Any enchanter with high intelligence and charisma is great. I personally use a gnome enchanter. he has plenty of intelligence and charisma items so he's a great jeweler capable of making gold.( and soon platnum)
Anonymous
Erudite/Chanter or High Elf/Chanter
The Erudite has more Int for faster skill leveling and the High Elf has higher Charisma for Cheaper prices. I perfer Erudite because by maxing int (like most pure casters) you get 10 more with only 5 less charisma
The Erudite has more Int for faster skill leveling and the High Elf has higher Charisma for Cheaper prices. I perfer Erudite because by maxing int (like most pure casters) you get 10 more with only 5 less charisma
Anonymous
I am an enchanter on the seventh hammer and i want to start crafting some jewelry.
I often saw copper jewels like copper amulet and copper band. Does anyone here know how to make those ?
I often saw copper jewels like copper amulet and copper band. Does anyone here know how to make those ?
Anonymous
Does your skill increase more when you use enchanted materials? Also can you sell Enchanted Items for more to NPCs? Do Enchanted Materials have any determination on weather or not you succeed in making the item?
Anonymous
no your skills dont go up more. yes you can sell for slightly higher to venders. no enchanted or not you still have the same chance at failure
Anonymous
I don't agree with you on that. I made two silver-malachite rings (and later tested with rose quartz and some others) and the vendors on Terris-Thule won't buy for a cent more. Also, someone mind griping to sony that you LOSE money when you get things right? In real life a craftsman who mastered his trade would be able to earn money practicing it.
Anonymous
I didn't see a chart that tells you what magical properties and granted to enchanted items. I mean specifics based on lvl, skill lvl and type of jewelry. Is there one?
Anonymous
I started a enchanter just to start jewelry making and have a skill of 45. money isnt that big of a problem i have a 31 druid whos my main that does tps for me when i need some more money but its a pain. so i was wondering when does it become profitable, what skill lvl? you know make atleast enough money to cover the cost of making stuff. also where is the cheapest place to buy metals and gems or is it the same everywhere? and one more before i go where is the best place to go to sell some of the lower stats jewelry to other players? thank you for you help.
Enin lvl 6 Enchanter
Mangyna lvl 31 Druid
Veeshan Server
Enin lvl 6 Enchanter
Mangyna lvl 31 Druid
Veeshan Server
Anonymous
As soon as you can get your hands on some enchanted metals to work with.
I see that you are an enchanter - excellent choice as a jewler - at 8th level you will get the spell enchant silver - but it can only be purchased in the Dark Elf city in the "third gate".
Once you can make enchanted jewlery, you're on the road to riches - you will make good money making magical Jade, Star Rose Quartz and Jasper rings to sell to the caster types.
Since it seems like you've got some plat to burn, you definately want to make some Fire Opal, Fire Emerald and Black Saphire - although you need a 50+ skill to ***** around with the Black Saphires.
You can sell your wares for two to three times the cost of the raw materials depending on the area, the server and who's on at the time.
I usually just carry around a stack of enchanted silver bars (which I enchant on downtime - fishing and practicing other trade skills) and some of the gems you intend to pedal and of course your jewler's kit. Simply set up a hotkey to auction what you've got available then make it on demand since jewlery doesn't stack.
I see that you are an enchanter - excellent choice as a jewler - at 8th level you will get the spell enchant silver - but it can only be purchased in the Dark Elf city in the "third gate".
Once you can make enchanted jewlery, you're on the road to riches - you will make good money making magical Jade, Star Rose Quartz and Jasper rings to sell to the caster types.
Since it seems like you've got some plat to burn, you definately want to make some Fire Opal, Fire Emerald and Black Saphire - although you need a 50+ skill to ***** around with the Black Saphires.
You can sell your wares for two to three times the cost of the raw materials depending on the area, the server and who's on at the time.
I usually just carry around a stack of enchanted silver bars (which I enchant on downtime - fishing and practicing other trade skills) and some of the gems you intend to pedal and of course your jewler's kit. Simply set up a hotkey to auction what you've got available then make it on demand since jewlery doesn't stack.
Anonymous
Can Runed wedding rings and engaement rings be made by Enchanters and how? Any help would be appriecated or at least knowing if they can be made or not. Thanks in advance.
Anonymous
I haven't figured out how to make runed wedding rings, though I've randomly produced some wedding rings from "normal" combinations before. There might be some way to combine proper runes to make runed rings, and I'd be happy to try it if you can find priulous on the Terris-Thule server.
I'm thinking of making an Erudite Enchanter and becoming at least a part time jeweler and I have a few questions:
1. How difficult is it to get the metal enchantment scrolls since they are in Neriak (I'm guessing you're KOS unless you are illusioned as a DE and are agnostic)?
2. How good are the items you can make compared to what you find in the game? I've only been playing a week now and am TOO hooked by everything and the trade skills seems pretty cool, but I don't want to spend a lot of time making +2 items when harder monsters are dropping +10 things.
3. Are Erudites the best class for Enchanters? I'm guessing yes because they have high int, but I don't have enough experience. I would also like to play a race that isn't a run of the mill type (i.e. D&D variety), so Erudite Enchanter seems pretty cool to me.
I guess that's it for now, but I'll probably be back later with more newbiw questions. Thanks for reading this and even more thanks if you answer it!
Rimailkall
7th Season Dwarven Paladin in Drinal
1. How difficult is it to get the metal enchantment scrolls since they are in Neriak (I'm guessing you're KOS unless you are illusioned as a DE and are agnostic)?
2. How good are the items you can make compared to what you find in the game? I've only been playing a week now and am TOO hooked by everything and the trade skills seems pretty cool, but I don't want to spend a lot of time making +2 items when harder monsters are dropping +10 things.
3. Are Erudites the best class for Enchanters? I'm guessing yes because they have high int, but I don't have enough experience. I would also like to play a race that isn't a run of the mill type (i.e. D&D variety), so Erudite Enchanter seems pretty cool to me.
I guess that's it for now, but I'll probably be back later with more newbiw questions. Thanks for reading this and even more thanks if you answer it!
Rimailkall
7th Season Dwarven Paladin in Drinal
1. Actually as far as race goes i believe it is only the good elven races (Half, High, and Wood) that are KOS by race. Not sure which religions are safe in Neriak but Agnostic is always a safe way to go.
2. Depends, many of the Platinum and Velium items are quite good and of course much easier to get than some of the better items that are rare drops off of 60+ mobs.
3. Best Class? I'm not gonna touch that one. Seems everybody has something they look for and the race that has that is the best to them.
2. Depends, many of the Platinum and Velium items are quite good and of course much easier to get than some of the better items that are rare drops off of 60+ mobs.
3. Best Class? I'm not gonna touch that one. Seems everybody has something they look for and the race that has that is the best to them.
Anonymous
How much does a star ruby cost. Witha charisma of about 85.
Tanu Babanu 25th
Tanu Babanu 25th
Anonymous
I just bought a jewlry kit and the book, but I dont know how to make it work! Could you please give me instructions? Thanx
48 posts
first you put at least 14 practice points into JewelCraft.(or do it like i did and stick all 21 points) then buy a silver bar, get it enchanted by a lvl 8 or higher enchant that has the spell. now take the cheapest rock you can find on the merchant.(malachite(SP?) then put the rock and the bar into the bag and click combine. if you have it at skill 21 from practice points then the least expensive rock is the cats eye. at skill 22 use bloodstone and so on and so on.
Anonymous
I have seen in allakhazam's armory list that there are some unlisted items made using jewelcraft skill. Anyone know about other items?
Uzuden 35 mage erolisi marr
jeweler 183
Uzuden 35 mage erolisi marr
jeweler 183
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Hey everyone. I just started jewelry making and I seem to recall that I TRIVIALED on the Star Rose Quartz rings (silver of course). everything I've read indicated that it is a bug and is not possible. Maybe is fixed?
Also, does alliance really give you better prices? I have a charisma of about 115 and shopping in my home town. merchant is indifferent, and when I cast alliance it didn't change the price. Is it possible I'm getting the best deal already?
Absythia, 9th season enchanter, Druzzil Ro
Also, does alliance really give you better prices? I have a charisma of about 115 and shopping in my home town. merchant is indifferent, and when I cast alliance it didn't change the price. Is it possible I'm getting the best deal already?
Absythia, 9th season enchanter, Druzzil Ro
Anonymous
I think they did fix the Star Rose Quartz bug.
I've never noticed alliance to make a difference when buying/selling; however, your illusions will, and of course charisma will too.
I've never noticed alliance to make a difference when buying/selling; however, your illusions will, and of course charisma will too.
Anonymous
When I buy in my home city gems are the cheapest but when buying in High Keep the prices are alot higher, I cast alliance and illusion human and I get for almost a 30pp less on high end gems and a few silver for the low end. someplaces may be indifferant to all class/race so you will never get a better deal casting alliance.
Anonymous
snif, my int is 133, and i try and retry to progress, my skill is at 53 so i make more and more electrum malachite ring and gain only 1 point for everery 40/50 attempt :(
is something i missed ?
thx for help !
is something i missed ?
thx for help !
4 posts
malachite doesn't progress you very far
Anonymous
so what must i use to have a chance of increase skill ?
Anonymous
try some more advanced stones, but cheaper ones if you can pull it...electrum malachite should advance you to 70 nicely, though I find that it may be more based on Dex than Int for some reason. I tend to advance ludicrously fast when under a dex buff...like 4/5 of my attempts are "You have become better at jewelcrafting. (##)" Someone tell me if I'm wrong on that.
2 posts
Greetings,
I was curious as to what skill level is needed to make Velium Jewelry? I believe the skill max ends at Platinum. Does anyone have any info regarding this? Also, I have heard when your skill is maxed out you can make items with charges and such..is that true?
~*Liliena Nailve*~
Seventh Hammer
I was curious as to what skill level is needed to make Velium Jewelry? I believe the skill max ends at Platinum. Does anyone have any info regarding this? Also, I have heard when your skill is maxed out you can make items with charges and such..is that true?
~*Liliena Nailve*~
Seventh Hammer
Anonymous
i read somewhere that a fire beatle eye can enchant jewelry it that true if it is how do you do it???
Anonymous
The eye your talking about drops off the queen Klicknick just outside of the qeynos gates. Her eye has the ability to enchant silver - 1 charge I believe.
Anonymous
It is true that Queen Klicknick USED to drop the giant fire beetle eye that casts enchant silver. It is unlimited charges though and it does not cast anymore.... Wiglet of E'ci
Anonymous
Ok, I'm curious if this is something happening on all servers or just mine, so, I'm asking here: have the prices on your server taken a nose dive? On Cazic-Thule, there are now a number of twink jewelers who care not about making a profit and are driving me, for one, out of business. I charge 2x cost to mfg for Gold, Electrum and Silver jewelry, and as much as 3x for Platinum because of the cost to manufacture platinum items and the difficulty level. I've seen people selling platinum jewelry at 20 to 50% above cost! Given that the minimal buy in for platinum is 106p, I can't afford to make jewelry and sell it for only a 20% markeup and stay in business. I've asked some of these individuals about what they are doing, and their answers have all been along the lines of "I'm rich, why do I care?" . . . well, I've spent quite a lot of cash to get to a 183 skill and was looking forward to providing a service that would pay for itself only ot find that jewelry craft has now been relegated to the same status as the other trade skills: pointless. Since you can't make a profit on it, why do it? At this time, I only make jewelry for guilders.
Does anyone have an opion on this? Can you make a suggestion for how to get decent prices back?
Thanks in advance,
Gnarlianna, Enchantress of 41 illusions, Cazic-Thule Circle
Does anyone have an opion on this? Can you make a suggestion for how to get decent prices back?
Thanks in advance,
Gnarlianna, Enchantress of 41 illusions, Cazic-Thule Circle
Anonymous
Would you like some cheese with that WHINE
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i agree with DrophWaySeeker. i personally am one that buys low, sells high. for example, i bought a velium great staff for 16 pp and sold it for 25. i bought cb belts for 1 gp each (really low) and sold them for 2 pp. I had to wait awhile, but I sold the stuff, and when I did, I went up about 1500% of what i already had. also, with jewelry and stuff, i see people selling stuff for 5 6 7 times as much as it costs to make it on my server, Tholuxe Paells, so I don't know about yours. i have a really low skill in jewelry making, 22, and I can already make alot of money in it. but the main point of EQ is not to sell stuff and get money, but to adventure and go on quests and get money. If you want a game like that, i think Ultima Online has people that are merchants.
Tholuxe Paells - Mage of the 8th lvl
Tholuxe Paells - Mage of the 8th lvl
Anonymous
mage lev 8 in JK makeing 7 X lol i wish
im a master in JK (103) i dont do it much to much trubil to lose pp just drop it on the ground much faster
im a master in JK (103) i dont do it much to much trubil to lose pp just drop it on the ground much faster
Anonymous
You're upset because you want to gouge people and there are other jewelers who are charging reasonable prices? Cry me a bleedin' river.
Anonymous
I've never had a character higher than level 14, so I have no idea how much money the average level 50 character has, but if it costs me 700pp to make something because it failed the first two tries, does it make sense for me to just say "OOPS!" and not try to recoup the money I lost from those two tries? Maybe the components only cost me 200pp for the one that succeeded. But if I triple that price, I lose 100pp.
I dunno about you, but 100pp is a lot of platinum to me. I'm not talking about a minor profit.. I LOSE 100pp. If I have a string of 8 failures, I can't exactly charge enough for the one that did work that I recoup all that money, but if my next 3 succeed, then I can spread my cost across the 4 successes and keep the price somewhat reasonable (to both of us) while still making a profit.
Some people out there DO end up with millions of pp, so if they lose 1000, it's no big deal. Some of us are lucky to have 20pp at any given time, so we can't afford to lose money on deals.
YES the whiners out there are going to complain because we make a profit. Us making a profit isn't in THEIR best interests.. at least that's what THEY think. But if we don't make a profit, we can't afford to make the jewelery. If we can't afford to make it, then there's nothing for you to buy. Then YOU lose out. We can make it for ourselves and justify the cost.
The argument about finding it in a store for 3pp while we sell for 5 or 7, well.. it's just not valid. Considering they aren't USUALLY sold in stores, if you find one for 3, buy it. It's the law of supply and demand. There's a REASON they aren't sold in shops by default... because they're created using tradeskills. The only reason it's IN that shop is somebody who didn't know better sold it there. If they DID sell them in stores for that price all the time, there'd be no reason to have the tradeskill.
BUT.. that being said, it sounds like some people just need to understand their markets better.
If you try to sell in an area where somebody is purposely undercutting you, then don't sell there, or wait till they leave. You don't have a monopoly on thew jewelery market, so you have to be reasonable, fair, and SMART about how you do things. And by all means, be patient. Pick a price for your item and just don't go below it. SOMEBODY will eventually buy it. If they don't, then maybe you ARE asking too much.
You COULD take an item that's worth 2gp in the shop and ask 10pp for it.. and MIGHT find somebody to pay it.. if so, congrats. But more than likely, that's just unrealistic. Be reasonable and chances are we'll all get along.
Cirnath - 10th level Enchanter
Vazaelle server
I dunno about you, but 100pp is a lot of platinum to me. I'm not talking about a minor profit.. I LOSE 100pp. If I have a string of 8 failures, I can't exactly charge enough for the one that did work that I recoup all that money, but if my next 3 succeed, then I can spread my cost across the 4 successes and keep the price somewhat reasonable (to both of us) while still making a profit.
Some people out there DO end up with millions of pp, so if they lose 1000, it's no big deal. Some of us are lucky to have 20pp at any given time, so we can't afford to lose money on deals.
YES the whiners out there are going to complain because we make a profit. Us making a profit isn't in THEIR best interests.. at least that's what THEY think. But if we don't make a profit, we can't afford to make the jewelery. If we can't afford to make it, then there's nothing for you to buy. Then YOU lose out. We can make it for ourselves and justify the cost.
The argument about finding it in a store for 3pp while we sell for 5 or 7, well.. it's just not valid. Considering they aren't USUALLY sold in stores, if you find one for 3, buy it. It's the law of supply and demand. There's a REASON they aren't sold in shops by default... because they're created using tradeskills. The only reason it's IN that shop is somebody who didn't know better sold it there. If they DID sell them in stores for that price all the time, there'd be no reason to have the tradeskill.
BUT.. that being said, it sounds like some people just need to understand their markets better.
If you try to sell in an area where somebody is purposely undercutting you, then don't sell there, or wait till they leave. You don't have a monopoly on thew jewelery market, so you have to be reasonable, fair, and SMART about how you do things. And by all means, be patient. Pick a price for your item and just don't go below it. SOMEBODY will eventually buy it. If they don't, then maybe you ARE asking too much.
You COULD take an item that's worth 2gp in the shop and ask 10pp for it.. and MIGHT find somebody to pay it.. if so, congrats. But more than likely, that's just unrealistic. Be reasonable and chances are we'll all get along.
Cirnath - 10th level Enchanter
Vazaelle server
Anonymous
Just a note, an FYI. I bought a spell from a shop for 2gp, and turned around and sold it to a PC who was looking for it. I turned a 99.8pp profit, for running an errand. If someone is willing to pay, that is what you charge them. It may not be worth so much to you, but if it is to them that they are happy to pay you for the favor, accept it.
I do not advocate driving prices through the ceiling, I simply advocate fair measure. I collect pages of the various grimoire's for researchers. They pay me 20pp a page, I buy them for 2-4pp all over EQ. I'm a high elf and I've snuck into neriak for a purchase or two. I'm taking my time to do the work, that time is money I could be making killing Hill Giants or othersuch monsters. It's only fair I get paid for it. This is EQ's version of :minimum wage:. Just think of that one for a second. Prices for things are higher because of the time and money we have to put in to make them.
If Sony had been nice enough to make the rings more valuable than the components (even by 10%) we wouldn't have to charge you so much, we could make Silver-Malachite rings all day and sell them for a profit because they're so ludicrously easy. The economic model in EQ is flawed, and the unfortunate consequence is that you all pay the money so we can learn to make jewelry. Don't complain to us, we don't turn a profit until we master the craft. Another FYI, I have 2pp to my name despite all this "unreasonable margin" I have...because I can't afford to learn my skill. You try doing this without some high level other character. This whining and moaning when your highest level isn't an errand-running 13th. I don't know much about EQ, but I know for sure that some of the players are so self-centered they think that paying cost for items is being overcharged.
I do not advocate driving prices through the ceiling, I simply advocate fair measure. I collect pages of the various grimoire's for researchers. They pay me 20pp a page, I buy them for 2-4pp all over EQ. I'm a high elf and I've snuck into neriak for a purchase or two. I'm taking my time to do the work, that time is money I could be making killing Hill Giants or othersuch monsters. It's only fair I get paid for it. This is EQ's version of :minimum wage:. Just think of that one for a second. Prices for things are higher because of the time and money we have to put in to make them.
If Sony had been nice enough to make the rings more valuable than the components (even by 10%) we wouldn't have to charge you so much, we could make Silver-Malachite rings all day and sell them for a profit because they're so ludicrously easy. The economic model in EQ is flawed, and the unfortunate consequence is that you all pay the money so we can learn to make jewelry. Don't complain to us, we don't turn a profit until we master the craft. Another FYI, I have 2pp to my name despite all this "unreasonable margin" I have...because I can't afford to learn my skill. You try doing this without some high level other character. This whining and moaning when your highest level isn't an errand-running 13th. I don't know much about EQ, but I know for sure that some of the players are so self-centered they think that paying cost for items is being overcharged.
Anonymous
Ok...let me get this straight. You have enough money to get yourself up to 183 skill lvl, but are complaining that you will go out of business making 20% profit. And since your only making jewelry for guild members now...are you charging them 300% mark up? I have a low lvl jeweler myself and right now ive been able to twink myself up by making low end jewelry and selling it at what people will pay for it...sure it takes a little longer but so what? My skill lvl is only 107 and it stinks and takes a big bite out of the pocket book when i blow an expensive item, but that happens. Also when i can walk up to a merchant and buy a +2 anything item for a plat or 2 why would someone want to pay me 5 or 6pp for it, the whole point is to be able to make stuff as an aside to the game, not corner the market in the jewelry manufacturing business.
Yeah, your issue is much like ours on Druzzil Ro. Prices are dropping or remaining static without any rhyme or reason and the instigators seem to be players with a ton of plat. As EQ gets older I believe this will become more of a problem since money becomes devalued as everyone has more of it all the time. This is the result of the designers not being able to foresee the ecomonics of a player population remaining relatively the same on older servers and items becoming more common as they are either manufactured or taken off monsters.
I believe it would require a wholesale restructuring of the game or even perhaps a new game entirely (like EQ2) to fix this problem.
I sympathize with you, Gnarlianna, because of all the time, effort, and cash you have spent on this skill is being frittered away due to people with more money than they know what to do with.
--Pusbag Infection
I believe it would require a wholesale restructuring of the game or even perhaps a new game entirely (like EQ2) to fix this problem.
I sympathize with you, Gnarlianna, because of all the time, effort, and cash you have spent on this skill is being frittered away due to people with more money than they know what to do with.
--Pusbag Infection
Anonymous
Ummm, I have a possible solution to the static economy, but I hesitate to offer it. Oh well here goes, how about implementing a "breakage patch"? For example, that awesome new weapon you bought/built/looted/ect. the other day and have been wearing out on Lord Nag's hide would be subject to a steadily increasing %chance to break upon each successful hit. Same in reverse for armor, or %chance of breakage (ie. loss) increases each time a magic item procs and so on. For fairness, the simple stuff or non-magic stuff (cloth armor and rusty weaps vs. rubi plate and yaks) would take longer to "break" (hey, newbies got no cash man, and low-tech is tougher than high-tech). People would have less money 'cause they would always be buying replacement weapons, armor, and items so the luxury items would again be worth more (yeah I consider magic jewelry a lux item, you can live without). Also, make all char made jewelry have a limited "lifetime". You could only equip it so long and then "poof" it's gone, gotta go buy another. For jewelers it's no prob, you have some on hand, but everyone else has to figure what to buy and how many before that big run to Fear. Maybe the low power stuff lasts longer, and the high juice stuff only lasts for minutes, ect.....(you know, people hate me...)
ps. hand to hand- "it's not just for monks anymore"
ps. hand to hand- "it's not just for monks anymore"
Anonymous
you are saying people will have less money becuase they have to constantly buy new weapons and such.. who is getting the money for the weapons? ;p
Anonymous
lol. your not a caster are you?
rusy must brake more its russty now lol
dont want to flame but this gose and all the drop camps will have high lev camping them all the time gust to get back what they lost. ie you like HtH? good it may you EVER see
rusy must brake more its russty now lol
dont want to flame but this gose and all the drop camps will have high lev camping them all the time gust to get back what they lost. ie you like HtH? good it may you EVER see
Anonymous
Excuse me, rephrase that in English this time...
/Rao
/Rao
Scholar
44 posts
Well, this is part of the "player-based economy". Some players will sell stuff cheaper simply because they feel like it. There really is no way to FORCE another player to sell at a given price. Just as there is no way to FORCE a buyer to pay a specific price. The only practical advice I can offer you is that tradeskill buying/selling requires a LOT of patience. I have several items that I will NOT sell below a specific price, regardless of other auctions I see selling them cheaper. And by waiting and sticking to my price, I have been able to sell everything at the price I wanted. This means of course, that you may need to invest a good deal more time in selling then you are willing to.
In response to the original post in this thread, get a life! It's a game! If you want to spend a lot of time and effort to make money in EQ and then complain because you can't because other people treat it like a GAME, quit whining. If you're greedy you should have spent your time investing in REAL money or something like that, it would have been much more productive. I'm a lvl 8 Enc now and I plan on becoming a jeweler too. When I get my skill up, I plan on selling for less than 3x the cost just because I don't like ripping people off. I also plan on GIVING some cheap silver jewelry away to any newbie that is nice and polite hanging around city gates. Not if they beg, but if they need some buffs and are polite about it. So if this makes you mad, too bad. I bought EQ to have fun, not become an imaginary millionaire. It wouldn't surprise me if you sold stuff on E-bay.
Dagoreth 8th Level Erudite Enchanter of Drinal
Dagoreth 8th Level Erudite Enchanter of Drinal
Anonymous
To those who tell jewelers to stop whining, learn a bit about it before you criticize us.
I have spent about 10,000 pp to get to level 199. I am not sure I have gotten that back, since I try to make plat items often (that is what folks want), and... plat fails 2 outta 3 times. It used to be only a 50% failure rate, but I think Verant changed things...
So...if a plat ruby veil costs me 106pp for the plat bar + 134pp for the ruby, the total is 240pp for each try. So... if I fail 2 outta 3 times, it has cost me 720pp to make ONE of the darn things.
If I sell it at 800pp I am NOT making a killing, I am making just enough to keep going!
Lately plat items seem to be failing more often. I had a string of 8 failures, so lost about 1200pp right there. If you think that most jewelers can sell stuff for 20% markup, you are NUTS!
So, I make plat items ONLY for friends & guild mates who know that it often costs me MORE to make it than I charge, and stick to gold items to make a small profit to allow me to keep learning the skill.
Chanterin
Brell Server
I have spent about 10,000 pp to get to level 199. I am not sure I have gotten that back, since I try to make plat items often (that is what folks want), and... plat fails 2 outta 3 times. It used to be only a 50% failure rate, but I think Verant changed things...
So...if a plat ruby veil costs me 106pp for the plat bar + 134pp for the ruby, the total is 240pp for each try. So... if I fail 2 outta 3 times, it has cost me 720pp to make ONE of the darn things.
If I sell it at 800pp I am NOT making a killing, I am making just enough to keep going!
Lately plat items seem to be failing more often. I had a string of 8 failures, so lost about 1200pp right there. If you think that most jewelers can sell stuff for 20% markup, you are NUTS!
So, I make plat items ONLY for friends & guild mates who know that it often costs me MORE to make it than I charge, and stick to gold items to make a small profit to allow me to keep learning the skill.
Chanterin
Brell Server
Anonymous
Does anyone definitely know that character level is not tied to trade skill cap level?
My 39 enchanter (224 int) has spent 6 hours trying to make 201. I know its slow but that is ludicrous.
Pissed-off
Anonymous
I guess my guestion is: Did you go to platinum or continue with gold and more precious stones like sapphires and things.
44 posts
Katareena Vail 40th enchantress Povar server:
I reached 200 jewelcraft skill before I could enchant my own Platinum bars. Since that time I've tried thousands of combinations efforts. I have reached 203 skill before 39th level. Im now 40th and still hunting for 204. I believe your stats and what you try to craft are the key.
Thanks for the read.
I reached 200 jewelcraft skill before I could enchant my own Platinum bars. Since that time I've tried thousands of combinations efforts. I have reached 203 skill before 39th level. Im now 40th and still hunting for 204. I believe your stats and what you try to craft are the key.
Thanks for the read.
Anonymous
Its possible 200+ skills might be limited at that lvl. I developed this theory based on a coupla facts, feel free to comment but dont flame im just trying to be helpful.
I a 39 jewler am also having trboule passing 200, my friend a 46 jewler, while at 45 spent days and days and thousands trying to hit skill 206, the second she dinged 46 the next gem she jewled dinged her 206. This might be far off base but a seemingly possible idea might be that pre-40 you cant pass 200, and that each lvl in the 40s, u can go up one skill, ur cap being wiped out upon hitting 50.
What do you guys think, if you could confirm or deny this for me I would love to hear it. Thx
Third
39th Enchanter of Mith Marr
I a 39 jewler am also having trboule passing 200, my friend a 46 jewler, while at 45 spent days and days and thousands trying to hit skill 206, the second she dinged 46 the next gem she jewled dinged her 206. This might be far off base but a seemingly possible idea might be that pre-40 you cant pass 200, and that each lvl in the 40s, u can go up one skill, ur cap being wiped out upon hitting 50.
What do you guys think, if you could confirm or deny this for me I would love to hear it. Thx
Third
39th Enchanter of Mith Marr
Anonymous
That's not true...I know a 34 Enchanter with a 250 skill. It just takes a hell of a lot of combines to raise your skill in the 200's.
Anonymous
Im now 44 chanter with 220 in jewelry, I remember having big trouble to go from 200 to 201, like 300 or more combines.
8 posts
And what about after that? how many combines to get from 201 to 202?
Anonymous
Wis or INT to make jewlery?Some people are telling me you can use wis others say int can someone tell me what you feel is right?
4 posts
i believe it's the hgigher of the two for increasing, and wisdom for how well you do at it.
Scholar
44 posts
I believe that it is the higher of the two. My WIS is much higher than my WIS, and my increase rates are decent, which they would not be if dependent solely on INT.
2 posts
it uses whichever one is the higher of the two.
Anonymous
You need both WIS and INT this determines your actually making the item and your failures.
Anonymous
What I have heard from all jewelry guides I have said is that INT determines how fast your skill goes up, and WIS determines your success rate.
Anonymous
for some odd reason I get a much higher %age right with dex buffs on, can someone firmly verify/deny this, me being too poor to check.
Priulous lvl 13 enc, 50skill (10 in a row while dex buffed to 130, with 119 int and 98 wis).
Priulous lvl 13 enc, 50skill (10 in a row while dex buffed to 130, with 119 int and 98 wis).
Anonymous
Could anyone give me a list of all the different engagement and wedding rings please?
4 posts
ok, here they are:
silver carnelian wedding ring, also electrum and gold
silver diamond wedding ring
silver and electrum fire wedding ring (fire opal)
silver and electrum jacinth wedding rings
silver opal engagement ring
silver rose engagement ring
rose platinum engagement ring
electrum and gold turquoise engagement ring
i think that's it
silver carnelian wedding ring, also electrum and gold
silver diamond wedding ring
silver and electrum fire wedding ring (fire opal)
silver and electrum jacinth wedding rings
silver opal engagement ring
silver rose engagement ring
rose platinum engagement ring
electrum and gold turquoise engagement ring
i think that's it
Anonymous
Imbued Made by myself was Imbued Fire Opal and Enchanted Platnium bar = AC4 -8str +8int +45mana +10hp +4vs fire ring. Because the stone was imbued by Myself and since I worship Solusk Ro, it can only be worn by Solusk Ro Worshipers. This is how all imbued is made, whom ever imbues the gem is the god that the gem will follow.
44 posts
Each God/Diety has a special gem or stone for their followers to imbue. Only followers of those religions can wear the items.
Thanks,
Katareena Veil 40th enchantress Povar Server
Thanks,
Katareena Veil 40th enchantress Povar Server
21 posts
Have you tried an Imbue Fire Opal + Enchanted Velium Bar one yet ? Curious as to what the stats will be.
Anonymous
for what I remember imbued velium jewelry is not implemented in the game at this time
Anonymous
I combined both a silver bar along with an Imbuled Opal, and got "these quanities produce nothing" ...or close to. Anyway what is the procedure for these new items?
1 post
Enchant the bar.
You must use enchanted metal with imbued gems.
Imbued gems do not work with Velium.
You must use enchanted metal with imbued gems.
Imbued gems do not work with Velium.
Anonymous
it only works on test server at this time
11 posts
Where do you get Imbued gems?
Anonymous
Help me please i am out of ideals. i have spent 110pp just to go from 54 to 57. i used electrum and malachite to keep costs down. my int is 133.
PLEASE is there a cheaper or more efficiant way?
I am only 16 but really want to max my jewel craft but I don't see how I can raise the money to do this since at the rate i'm raising it will take over a 1000p if there is no easier or cheaper way how about a suggestion on where to go hunting to raise this amount?
PLEASE is there a cheaper or more efficiant way?
I am only 16 but really want to max my jewel craft but I don't see how I can raise the money to do this since at the rate i'm raising it will take over a 1000p if there is no easier or cheaper way how about a suggestion on where to go hunting to raise this amount?
Anonymous
Sorry, my friend, it's taken me close to 10kp to get to a skill of 183. Jewel craft is expensive, not for the faint hearted. Unfortunately, until you are in your 30s, there is no quick place to gain cash either. When you can work OOT, then hit Gornit, Norraths ATM machine for cash and good EP.
In the mean time, do everything you can to raise your Int so that training will go as fast as possible (mine is in the 160s and I'm looking to increase it) and your Wis to decrease failures (mine is in the 140s and I'm trying to increase it). A bonus is that your mana supply is based on your Int, so, raising your Int will increase the Mana you have to work with when enchanting.
Gnarlianna, 41st level Enchantress, Master jeweler, Cazic Thule
In the mean time, do everything you can to raise your Int so that training will go as fast as possible (mine is in the 160s and I'm looking to increase it) and your Wis to decrease failures (mine is in the 140s and I'm trying to increase it). A bonus is that your mana supply is based on your Int, so, raising your Int will increase the Mana you have to work with when enchanting.
Gnarlianna, 41st level Enchantress, Master jeweler, Cazic Thule
39 posts
HEH,
it took me 25K to get to 201. going from 195 to 200 is gonna cost you so much money you will freak,
just do it. dont look back, dont tally it up, if you do you will just stop right now and forget the craft
it took me 25K to get to 201. going from 195 to 200 is gonna cost you so much money you will freak,
just do it. dont look back, dont tally it up, if you do you will just stop right now and forget the craft
Anonymous
you were unluky
I don't remember well how much it cost me to reach 200 but less than 4 or 5k
recently I spent 3k to go from 210 to 220
I don't remember well how much it cost me to reach 200 but less than 4 or 5k
recently I spent 3k to go from 210 to 220
44 posts
I hope my skill goes up that quickly.....but I doubt it. I've spent over 10K since 200. Im up to 203. Please tell me your tricks!
Well I finally hit 250. I hope SoL will bring some new JC items.
Edited, Tue Dec 11 02:16:53 2001
Well I finally hit 250. I hope SoL will bring some new JC items.
Edited, Tue Dec 11 02:16:53 2001
Anonymous
The best "trick" is to get your int and wis stats as high as possible. I always carry a set of int/wis items and charisma items. Though it takes an extra minute, I always cast Benevolence on myself for the char buff and change into all my char items before buying metals and gems and selling the items I've made. Then, I switch back to my int/wis stuff to make the jewelry. It jsut took me 500pp to go from a skill of 100 to a skill of 131, but based on my earlier experiences, that was very close to what I estimated it would cost. Jewelcraft is not for the faint of heart, nor for misers. Just scrape up as much cash as you can and keep clicking that Combine button......I wish you well!
Fabiamania Mesmerelder
Erudite Enchantress
Bertoxx
Fabiamania Mesmerelder
Erudite Enchantress
Bertoxx
Anonymous
o man i got 100 pp and need a start on this i duno what to do what ias the cheapest way to do this PLEASE I NEED THE SKILL
Anonymous
Do yourself a favor and get a sugar daddy or don't do it.
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