Jewelry Making

I decided to keep track. To get from 182 to 300, using a no-fail potion, I had to attempt 2231 combines, of which 309 succeeded and 1922 failed.

Success rate of about 13%.

This was using recipes with trivials from 351 to 428, gem combinations using Miragestone, Alaris Gemstone, Harmonagate, Energized Gemstone and Uncut Rubellite. These gems sell for AT LEAST 50pp each on my server (sometimes as much as 200-300pp) so without the potion this process would have consumed something like 110kpp to over half a million pp, depending on acquisition costs for the gems. Minus what could be obtained for the 309 items made successfully, of course.

FYI, 1-182 is relatively easily and cheaply done, following guides here and on EQTraders.

any 1 know the best site for recipes from skill lvl 1 to 330

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I was wondering how do you get past 300? Anyone know?

I got lucky enough to find this link http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=2878 and get my jewel crafting skill level up to 54 for free AND be able to process GoD jewelry components. IE nihilite. It's in the abysmal sea and everything you need is there, banker, jewelry merchant for the jeweler's kit, and general supplies merchant for the food and water because you're gonna be there about an hour doing the combines. Well worth the time. Good luck and may whatever God you believe in bless you!!

Hi, I am a master jeweler (300) on Maelin. I looked at the sony station and saw there were some folks (4-5?) listed above 300 (across all servers) for JC. Is 300 a flat cap? (yes I have my GM Jeweler's eyepiece and my geerlok).
My other question is on titles. Once, I saw someone with a title of Grandmaster -tradeskill I thought. Perhaps I was mistaken. So, is there anyway to go beyond 300 and is there anyway to get a title for doing so?

Hello all JC's out there!!
I am currently a lvl 4 chanter, with my JC skills at 140. My problem is that I am such a novice at tradeskills, that I have just had some Electrum Bars enchanted so I can produce some stat jewellry, but I have no recipes for the magical stuff in my bag, I have a list of combine recipes, but when I try to use the enchanted stuff (ie. the enchanted Jade electrum bracelet), the electrum bar is highlighted with red and I cannot use.:( What do I need to do to be able to use? do I have to find recipes? Please Help !!

Let me ask you this; is it still worth pursuing my jewelry skill? My skill is at one hundred something. I can take a few thousand plat and bring it up further, but is it worth it? With the bazaar and other competitive pricing, can you make a good profit at higher levels?

Thanks,

Oceana Pacifica

I have a lev. 38 enchanter that has 60 exp. points I haven't used. I want to start making jewelry and am wondering if I should dump all those points into that skill and start from there or should I build my skill up and use those 60 points after I get my skill built up a bit.

Hey everyone.

I've got an enchanter on Xegony w/ 250 skill in jewelcrafting. I quit playing him for awhile because I had done almost everything I could do from a jewelry standpoint.

Well, Pop and LoY has caused me to return (ooops, there goes another girlfriend....)

My question is simple. I've seen the INCREDIBLE stats on the PoP jewelry and obviously I'm interested in playing around with it. But I'm curious... since I had never heard of most of the components involved, I'm was wondering what the total cost is to make some of these things. Anyone know? Or can anyone provide a URL that might explain things better for me?

Thanks so much.

Xiin Mindbender
Xegony
Enchanter of the 56th Season

this is probably not the place for this but i am desperate i need to up my charisma i dont have much pp only 17 but need the following item Cats eye agate necklace made from silver it seems to be an easy (low trivial) item. I am on the Tholuuxe Paells server. This seems to be the only item i can almost afford right now and can wear being a druid. Next time i will give myself more charisima.
thank you!

Well i had gotten my JC slowly from 0 to 160 slowly through 43 levels. not sure how much that cost. now at 46 i have a 205 in it. i have a chanter with 252 int without buffs and 132 cha. i used gold/with gems until 200 then switched to plat bars and gems. i am still making about 5 pp profit because i enchant the bars. i've tried not enchanting them only to sell back for cost so enchanting really does help. i stopped gold/gem at fire emerald, which took a long time. After i had gotten my skill up to 190 i stopped skilling every stack and points slowed remarkably. i was gettimg 1 point per every six stacks...after 199 i was back to get 2-3 points per stack.

I want to acquire the etching tools necessary to make velium armor (listed under "Special Jewelcraft Recipes" on the EQ Traders website). I searched their site to find out where to get etching tools, and there was only one reference to them. The writer said to go to Thurgadin and say to Meg Tucker, "I need a set of etching tools." OK, I've been in every shop, building and guild I can find in Thurg, but I haven't found Meg Tucker. Does anyone know if where she might be or if she even exits? On the other hand, if I'm on a wild goose chase looking for her, how do I really go about getting the etching tools?

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I figure that, with the spell and component bag, I will have spent about 7 plat. I was hoping that someone would tell me how much money it takes to have a reason to live (basically, making enough Silver Cat's Eye or Silver Jasper to scrape in the tiniest profit).

hey...r there ne enchanters on the kane bayle server thats in the area of erudin or 4rm about the warrens to blackburrow that can enchant some of mai silver bars?...i would appreciate it if u could help =)

Just to give you some idea of what it cost me to gain 8 skill pts at this lvl here is a break down.
Staring JC skill was 192, spent 870pp to get to 200. First 4 attempts were Black Pearl/Gold since I had some in the bank. Did Star Ruby/Gold till 199 and got that last point with Fire Emerald/Gold. Was averaging 1 point gain per 20 attempts or so, but thats average. I had a stretch where I got 3 points in 8 tries then nothing for awhile. VERY random and has been that way from the start. The 870pp is what I lost due to fails getting to 200 and profit loss selling back to the merchants. That equals about 108pp per skill gain, :( Not looking forward getting the last 50 pts. BTW Int is 239 and Cha is 157 when I have tradeskill gear on.

Noleus
51 Illusionist
Tholuxe Paells

Since the patch a couple weeks ago, stating 1000+ new tradeskill recipies, Has anyone found any new JC recipies? or know a site that has them listed?

I've seen dozens of new pottery and tailoring recipies, but haven't found any for JC.

IMO they really need to revamp the skill point tree, since the adding of Velium with the Velious Expansion.

Not to get into a discussion of what all they need to revamp, as the list is almost infinite :)

Dalandrei Laufrolle
<Eternal Flame Kindred>
(Tunare Server)
Master Jeweler

Hello all!

Just started an enchanter, so I was wondering where I could go to get some "receipes" for jewelry making? Do I put points into JC only....OR is there more to this skill? <IE is pottery and smithing going to be involved as
well?>

Although...after reading some of these e-mails I'm beginning to wonder if I should just tuck tail and run?

Please let me know of any beginning "receipes" to try.

Thanks for your assistance!

Hmmm...it seems like there is a lot of misinformation about jewelcraft on these boards, so I'm going to go ahead and dispel some myths, and give some accurate information.

First of all, the only stats that will affect Jewelcrafting are Wisdom OR Intelligence, whichever stat is higher. You do NOT need both stats, only one of them to be very high. The degree to which they'll affect your jc is as follows: A) affects the rate of skill-ups, and B) affects the rate of success. In essence, having a high Intelligence (or Wisdom), will make your trip through the levels of jc much easier, faster, and much more cost effective (as frequent successes will allow to you to sell back to vendors, and make your most of your money back).

>BTW, from now on, I'm going to refer only to Intelligence, although you can use Wisdom in place of Intelligence anywhere I use it.

Even with 200+ Intelligence, expect to pump 20 to 25K pp into getting to 250 jewelcraft. If you are not planning to get to 250, do not even bother with attempting jc. Aside from quest items (such as the Coldain quests), there is really nothing you can do with sub-250 jc to make a good profit. When I say "good" profit, I'm talking in the thousands of platinum. 100pp, once your post 50, will probably buy you some food, but not much else that you'll actually need.

If you want a specific item, such as the person who said they wanted to make the Int 8 rings for their Wizard, it is MUCH more cost effective to simply buy these items from a jeweler, as opposed to doing it yourself. Tradeskills are not meant to be practiced simply to get a certain item. They are hard and expensive to raise for a reason.

Yes, it is very easy and cute to get to 150 in JC. But, once you reach that mark, expect to start tossing your money out the window as you make the harsh trip up to 250. With the advent of Velium metal, JC pieces made with Platinum are HORRIBLY HARD TO SELL, since, obviously, everybody wants the Velium version of the items they need (for example, a pair of Platinum Fire Opal rings, AC 5 / HP 55, would probably be sold by any sane jeweler for 500pp or more. However, Velium Fire Opal Rings, AC 6 / HP 65, are sought after a lot more by higher level Warriors who can easily spend the extra 500pp, assuming you sell the Velium version at 1K a pair.)

Do not keep "stock" of certain items. That will doom you to having to "camp" EC or NFP for weeks trying to sell a specific item. Instead, keep no stock at all, and make specific pieces once you have an actual buyer. You'll get the occassional newb that after having you make him some jewelery will back out on the deal, but, hopefully, you've got a high enough Charisma to simply sell back whatever you made to the vendor (unless it's a Velium piece, in which case you should probably try selling. Vendors don't give back anywhere near the actual price of Velium.)

You only need to have a Charisma of 120 to get the best prices (both buying and selling) from vendors. This means that at 120 Charisma, if you buy something worth 20pp from the vendors, you can sell back at about 19pp. No, you will never make a profit from selling back items to vendors.

This brings up another point. The reason that Enchanters are usually the most common jewelers is because Enchanters can actually enchant the metals that they're working with on the spot. The good thing is that an enchanted piece of jewelery sells for slightly more to the vendors than a non-enchanted piece. This does not begin to become evident until you're about halfway through trainning Gold. Once you reach that level, your jc experience becomes MUCH easier and cheaper if you can get your bars enchanted.

Even though you have maxed out jc (250), and maxed out Intelligence, expect failures. You will NOT be able to make easy cash by simply enchanting metals, combining them, and selling back to vendors. Obviously, I've tried this. You will get 1 failure per stack (at least, guaranteed), and that will make you lose any "profits" you think you may have made.

For those who are worried about trivial levels, don't be tricked into thinking that once an item becomes trivial for you that you will be able to make the item with confidence. In order to "confidently" make an item (getting approximately a 95% success rating), it is widely recommended to have at least 10 points of skill higher than the trivial level of the item you wish to make. This is true of all tradeskills, and is essential when making quest items (i.e. for the Coldain quests, for all tradeskills, make sure you are at least 10 points above the trivial levels require, or expect to go "questing" quite a few times for your items).

While I personally have never done it, it is recommned to get Ulthork Tusks, which can be turned in to some Othmir in Cobalt Scar for gems. The quest supposedly results in high level gems, usually 100pp+. On my server, the Tusks sell for about 25 to 50pp, so it may be worth a shot. Like I said, I'm just relaying info, this is not something I've done personally.

Another tip: Don't do combines for people you aren't friends with. You're a jeweler. Your tradeskill is your "business", it's how you make money. Some people farm the hell out of items, you instead create things. Don't be cheated out of your craft by people who come to ask you for favors. Think of how funny it would be to go to an emergency room and ask the doctor on call to remove your appendix, but he should do it for free, since you're going to supply the scalpel, and you don't really need the anesthesia, you'll just take the pain. Since no sane person would do that, don't let people take advantage of you and your craft by pressuring you into favors.

On another note, however, giving credit for gems and/or bars is quite something else. On my server, Blue Diamonds sell for about 800pp, and Velium bars I get for 262.5pp. Whenever I'm asked for a "quick combine", I tell them I'll give them 800pp for the BD, and 262.5pp for the bar. However, I charge 2K for a Velium Blue Diamond Bracer. And, of course, if I fail, they get nothing. Most people don't go for it, and for good reason...they have the stuff already, duh. But, like I said, I'm not in the business of doing favors, I pumped 20K into my tradeskill in hopes of making SOME money. Let people go find their guild jeweler, or some friend of theirs to do their combines. Heck, you weren't gonna get paid for it anyway. =\

All in all, the best tip I could probably give any aspiring jeweler is KEEP YOUR MONEY. Don't throw your money away on jc. JC is probably the only tradeskill that has truly marketable items, but it's a dead-end craft. A lot of our items have either too high of a failure rate to be worth making, don't sell well enough to be worth making, have some sort of competition from some other, droppable item, or of just no use to anyone. Plus, the over abundance of jewelers on most servers just means that prices are bound to plummet. Lemme show you some simple math:

All figures are based on current Drinal economy.
Blue Diamond, cost: 800pp.
Velium Bar, cost: 262.5pp.
Velium Blue Diamond Bracer, sale price: 2000pp.
Total profit: 937.5pp.

If you attempt 10 BD Bracers, you'll end up with 3 failures (30% failure rate, guaranteed).

Cost of 10 Blue Diamonds: 8,000pp.
Cost of 10 Velium Bars: 2,625pp.
Total sale price of 7 BD Bracers: 14,000pp.
Total profit: 3,375pp.

You have just spent 20,000pp getting your JC to 250. Blue Diamonds are rare as hell. Simply getting your hands on 10 BDs is a hassle. SELLING off 7 BD Bracers is another incredible hassle. Expect at least a good week of hardcore selling. In the end, you made a profit of 3,375pp. Of course, you're actually "in the hole" about 17K. Profittable business? Or big lie? You decide.

IMHO, being a 250 jeweler who has sold LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of jewelery, jc simply isn't worth it. Forget tradeskills altogether(unless you actually like them, like I do, regardless of the debts incurred). Take all the time that it takes you to train your skills, all the money it takes to train your skills, all the time spent making all that money, and just level up. When you get to level 60, then you can just go ahead and pluck whatever the hell it is that you want out of the market, as you can do all of the most outrageous camps in Everquest. Levels = power = money. Don't short-change yourself.

I am a casual jeweler (ENC) and that's all I ever aspire to be. I have not found any market for silver +2 enhancements, but they are LOVELY gifts for a really good group member and will put you on a friend list quickly. ;) From that perspective, this is what I've learned so far:

1. Do try to bank up some training points and train as many as possible up to 20 in jewelcraft. I did this, as well as trading future skills and some cash to a higher lvl chr to borrow equipment to raise my INT and wisdom to 115 and 114, and had good luck almost from the get go. I started with Cat's Eye agate too, save a bit of money and skip over the trivial ones. I am also cautious and casual, in no rush to run up the ranks.

2. Everything you've read about the Random number generator being flakey is TRUE. if you're on a good roll, keep going! Like any other gamble, use your sense if it seems you're failing too much.

3. Some stones just don't like you. I cannot do jasper things. I don't know why. In 20 attempts, I've made 2 even though it's trivial to me.

4. I've done jewel with the "Legacy..." book open, closed, standing, sitting, while praying to every god I know, I don't see a significant difference. Find your groove and stay in it if it works for you, but realize it IS still random.

5. If you are an ENC and plan to sell back, do an experiment with two of the same stones. Enchant one, but not the other. When you sell back, see where you get a higher price. I have had it go both ways. This may just be me as a HIE in a human city though.

As far as progression of stones, this is what I've *read*, not tried yet as I am slow.

Silver
Train to get up to cats eye agate(22). Do all stones until triv up to jade(40)I've done this and it has worked well. I'm just about to move into Electrum
Electrum
Malachite (74) Everything I've read indicates these metal jumps are where you spend the majority of your plat, you fail A LOT.
Go with Electrum until Emeralds(118) You can call yourself "Master Jeweler" now too. ;)
Gold
Again up to Emerald, expect a lot of failures at Malachite though.

Estimates I've seen say it takes 5000-10,000pp to get to 200. The vast majority of this (90%) is spent at the metal cross-overs and from 150-190.

As I said, I'm a casual one and doubt I'll ever go above gold/jade.

Maybe a lot of creatures do, but for mid-level characters, Dervish's in West commons and Drakes and minotaurs in Steamfont Mtns drop gems. I also heard spiders on Kunark do, but that far exceeds my level to fight.