Forgot to add that humans do have one less delay on fists at level 60, but this does not apply to your epic weapon, or any other weapon you may use. And by level 60 ANY Monk in the game will have at least epic or a semi-good weapon, if you're using non-epic fists at 60, then you will be laughed at, anyway. So this really doesn't favor Humans at all.
The Human
 | The Human starts off in either Freeport or Qeynos/Surefall and has various options for where to go from there. What is the best strategy for playing a Human? What zones and cities should you take him to and which ones should you avoid? Which factions should you work on improving, and which factions should you be wary of decreasing? What are the best quests for the beginning Human? Where are the best shops? How should you role play your Human?
Post your strategies on how to best play a Human, and read, rate and comment on those posted by others. |
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First of all, let me tell you one thing so anyone reading Allakhazam can see it - and say it with me.
Slipskin, you're an idiot.
Regen means nothing for monks? You've got to be kidding me. Monks get an additional 10 or so regen at level 60. You get one tick of regen every 6 seconds. So in a one minute fight, you have gained 60 HP more than a human monk. In a two minute fight, you have 120 more HP. In a three minute fight, you have gined 180 HP. In a four minute fight, you have gained 240 HP. In a five minute fight, you have gained 300 HP.
Put simply, in a 30 minute fight such as the end game Emperor fight, you will have gained 1,800 HP.
Humans get the HP bonus? I think not. And if you have ever thought for one second about high end monks you'd realize that bandaging isn't even an option. Try bandaging while Arch Lich is rampaging you for 600 damage a hit. the word bandaging and high-end are completely contradictory.Put simply, regeneration is probably the single most beneficial ability of any race, and as you enter longer fights, it only gets more useful.
AC and HP are the key stats of a monk. Well, HP sure is. A quality level 60 Monk with average gear will be able to hit the AC softcap easily, however, if you're ghetto, you should STILL Play an Iksar, since they have a significant AC bonus compared to a human of the same level (best example is level 60.)
Banking places? Oh, give me a break. Did you forget we were talking about monks, here? An iksar monk can bank in any zone in the game. It's that handy little skill called FD. Oh, yeah, that's right, you're a newb (my bad.)Sure, humans have better faction with some oldworld zones like Freeport, but not only can Iksars bank there also with FD, the new expansions such as Velious and Luclin are completely racially unbiased. An Iksar can bank in Kael just as easily as a Human. An iksar can bank in Skyshrine just as easily for a human. A human can bank in Thurgadin just as easily as an Iksar. Both can bank in Bazaar with no problem, same goes for Shadowhaven, Fungus Grove, and hey, they have the same faction in the Nexus and all over Luclin!
Let me put it this way, the differences between Iksars and Humans are *small* but they favor Iksars unequivocally. Regeneration can make an Iksar solo 1.5 times as fast as a Human for exp. It can add on loads of HP during a long battle, and in times when a monk needs to stay FD'd, it gives them a one up on re-gaining HP. Sure, anyone can go out and kill Desert Madmen for food and water, but why in gods name would you want to? Sure you could bandage to raise your health, but why?
Slipskin, you make excuses that simply prove your own idiocy. Instead of bandaging, an iksar can regen AND bandage *faster* (even though no self respecting high level monk would bandage while raiding.) Instead of leaving his Creator raid in Ssraeshza Temple to go kill Desert Madmen (wtf?) an Iksar Monk can hit forage (yeah, I know forage isn't even really a big deal, but it IS there.)A human can do none of these things. A human cannot gain the innate regeneration an Iksar can with the same gear. A human cannot forage his own food. The one and only thing a human has is 5 extra stamina upon creation.
BIG
FREAKING
DEAL.
In closing, I'd like to leave those who are thinking of starting a monk with the same though I previously displayed.
Iksars are better Monks, Humans are easier for idiots to play. If you plan on hanging out in Freeport and doing level 20 quests your whole life, then exping some with friends in NRO killing Desert Madmen, maybe a human is for you. That is, until you get to level 60 and realize all of that is a nonissue and you've chosen the worst possible race to be a Monk.
So yeah, if you're a level 20 Monk lfg in Oasis and begging casters for water and clerics for heals... Humans are better.
In all other cases, Iksars destroy humans. rofl.
Slipskin, you're an idiot.
Regen means nothing for monks? You've got to be kidding me. Monks get an additional 10 or so regen at level 60. You get one tick of regen every 6 seconds. So in a one minute fight, you have gained 60 HP more than a human monk. In a two minute fight, you have 120 more HP. In a three minute fight, you have gined 180 HP. In a four minute fight, you have gained 240 HP. In a five minute fight, you have gained 300 HP.
Put simply, in a 30 minute fight such as the end game Emperor fight, you will have gained 1,800 HP.
Humans get the HP bonus? I think not. And if you have ever thought for one second about high end monks you'd realize that bandaging isn't even an option. Try bandaging while Arch Lich is rampaging you for 600 damage a hit. the word bandaging and high-end are completely contradictory.Put simply, regeneration is probably the single most beneficial ability of any race, and as you enter longer fights, it only gets more useful.
AC and HP are the key stats of a monk. Well, HP sure is. A quality level 60 Monk with average gear will be able to hit the AC softcap easily, however, if you're ghetto, you should STILL Play an Iksar, since they have a significant AC bonus compared to a human of the same level (best example is level 60.)
Banking places? Oh, give me a break. Did you forget we were talking about monks, here? An iksar monk can bank in any zone in the game. It's that handy little skill called FD. Oh, yeah, that's right, you're a newb (my bad.)Sure, humans have better faction with some oldworld zones like Freeport, but not only can Iksars bank there also with FD, the new expansions such as Velious and Luclin are completely racially unbiased. An Iksar can bank in Kael just as easily as a Human. An iksar can bank in Skyshrine just as easily for a human. A human can bank in Thurgadin just as easily as an Iksar. Both can bank in Bazaar with no problem, same goes for Shadowhaven, Fungus Grove, and hey, they have the same faction in the Nexus and all over Luclin!
Let me put it this way, the differences between Iksars and Humans are *small* but they favor Iksars unequivocally. Regeneration can make an Iksar solo 1.5 times as fast as a Human for exp. It can add on loads of HP during a long battle, and in times when a monk needs to stay FD'd, it gives them a one up on re-gaining HP. Sure, anyone can go out and kill Desert Madmen for food and water, but why in gods name would you want to? Sure you could bandage to raise your health, but why?
Slipskin, you make excuses that simply prove your own idiocy. Instead of bandaging, an iksar can regen AND bandage *faster* (even though no self respecting high level monk would bandage while raiding.) Instead of leaving his Creator raid in Ssraeshza Temple to go kill Desert Madmen (wtf?) an Iksar Monk can hit forage (yeah, I know forage isn't even really a big deal, but it IS there.)A human can do none of these things. A human cannot gain the innate regeneration an Iksar can with the same gear. A human cannot forage his own food. The one and only thing a human has is 5 extra stamina upon creation.
BIG
FREAKING
DEAL.
In closing, I'd like to leave those who are thinking of starting a monk with the same though I previously displayed.
Iksars are better Monks, Humans are easier for idiots to play. If you plan on hanging out in Freeport and doing level 20 quests your whole life, then exping some with friends in NRO killing Desert Madmen, maybe a human is for you. That is, until you get to level 60 and realize all of that is a nonissue and you've chosen the worst possible race to be a Monk.
So yeah, if you're a level 20 Monk lfg in Oasis and begging casters for water and clerics for heals... Humans are better.
In all other cases, Iksars destroy humans. rofl.
You want to disagree - fine. I do occasionally make mistakes. I see others make mistakes. I do not insult them for it. I do correct them.
Personally, I do not know any monks over 55. So, I cannot discuss with them the issues you raise. I do know that at levels nearing 60 the whole game dynamic changes. So, I disagree that level 60 makes the best comparison point.
In the early and mid level game an Iksar does not have a clear advantage over humans. I have fought with level 30 Iksar monks in my guild with my level 25+ alts and really have seen no advantage over humans of any significance. At the highest levels of the game I will not debate you as I am not there yet (at least as a monk) and I know no other monks who are (55 is the highest I know).
I would think that, at level 60 and on a raid, healers would be in abundance (they usually are with my guild's raids) so regen or bandaging would not be that big an issue. Particularly if you are getting tagged for 600hp or more per hit. I could be wrong but I will wait and see when my monk gets to raiding level. I don't solo my main at that level as it is impossible. The only class I have heard of trying to solo at the highest levels is a Necromancer.
Before Velious and Luclin (which many players do not yet have) Iksars were at a disadvantage. There were limits to where an Iksar could go. Now, if an Iksar wants to avoid the old world continents entirely its easy; if you have Luclin. If you don't have Luclin you still can do it but its a touch more inconvenient.
I suppose the best way to find out which is better is to take a naked human monk and dual a naked Iksar monk (both level 60). Of course that assumes that both players have equal skill and equally fast internet connections. Both monks would have to have spent the same amount of AAXP points as well.
It is clear you are a person of strong opinions and, even if I were right, there would be little hope of me persuading you.
Personally, I do not know any monks over 55. So, I cannot discuss with them the issues you raise. I do know that at levels nearing 60 the whole game dynamic changes. So, I disagree that level 60 makes the best comparison point.
In the early and mid level game an Iksar does not have a clear advantage over humans. I have fought with level 30 Iksar monks in my guild with my level 25+ alts and really have seen no advantage over humans of any significance. At the highest levels of the game I will not debate you as I am not there yet (at least as a monk) and I know no other monks who are (55 is the highest I know).
I would think that, at level 60 and on a raid, healers would be in abundance (they usually are with my guild's raids) so regen or bandaging would not be that big an issue. Particularly if you are getting tagged for 600hp or more per hit. I could be wrong but I will wait and see when my monk gets to raiding level. I don't solo my main at that level as it is impossible. The only class I have heard of trying to solo at the highest levels is a Necromancer.
Before Velious and Luclin (which many players do not yet have) Iksars were at a disadvantage. There were limits to where an Iksar could go. Now, if an Iksar wants to avoid the old world continents entirely its easy; if you have Luclin. If you don't have Luclin you still can do it but its a touch more inconvenient.
I suppose the best way to find out which is better is to take a naked human monk and dual a naked Iksar monk (both level 60). Of course that assumes that both players have equal skill and equally fast internet connections. Both monks would have to have spent the same amount of AAXP points as well.
It is clear you are a person of strong opinions and, even if I were right, there would be little hope of me persuading you.
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Let me first say any sad strange person who says that humans are better than iksars as Monks, well, let's not try and fool ourselves here, people. If you humans are in that much denile that Iksars are blatently better, you might consider writing a novel, because your pathetic 1 paragraph posts are not about to convince me.
Let's first compare their starting stats.
Humans have 5 more STA, and 5 more STR. Iksars have 15 more AGI and 10 more dex. So the stats are pretty much evened out. First of all, strength is a bunch of BS. It barely helps, and if any of you newb humans had an idea of what a shaman was, you'd realize that strength maxes out VERY easily with 1 simply buff. Stamina is very important, I will admit, but they have 5 more stamina vs. 15 more AGI and 10 dex. Um? gratz, lol
Add onto that the fact that Iksars get an AC bonus as well as innate regeneration, I think it's obvious Iksars are better. Humans have 1 delay better fists at 60 - wow, any monk using fists at 60 should delete.
Iksars even have forage for when they're hungry - humans get to bank places, YAY!
Ok so let me summarize. Iksars are better, Humans are easier for idiots to play.
Grats!
Let's first compare their starting stats.
Humans have 5 more STA, and 5 more STR. Iksars have 15 more AGI and 10 more dex. So the stats are pretty much evened out. First of all, strength is a bunch of BS. It barely helps, and if any of you newb humans had an idea of what a shaman was, you'd realize that strength maxes out VERY easily with 1 simply buff. Stamina is very important, I will admit, but they have 5 more stamina vs. 15 more AGI and 10 dex. Um? gratz, lol
Add onto that the fact that Iksars get an AC bonus as well as innate regeneration, I think it's obvious Iksars are better. Humans have 1 delay better fists at 60 - wow, any monk using fists at 60 should delete.
Iksars even have forage for when they're hungry - humans get to bank places, YAY!
Ok so let me summarize. Iksars are better, Humans are easier for idiots to play.
Grats!
Iksar better than Humans? Hmmm...lets see....
Regeneration for a monk is almost useless. Any monk can use bandages and Mend. So, regen saves you a few silver pieces on bandages. No big deal.
Forage? Hey, any bozo can go out and kill animals for Chunk of Meat. It is a meal. Kill desert madmen for water. Beg some summoned food and water from a cleric, druid, or shaman.
DEX? AGI? Every monk I have known claims that AC and HP are the way to go. Lets see, what was that stat that affects HP? Oh, yes, STA! Iksar get an AC advantage but Humans get the HP advantage. Looks like a break even from here.
Oh, BTW, Humans get to BANK PLACES! We don't have to run 3 or 4 zones to get to a place where we are not KOS to residents. We don't have to spend hours of faction building so that we can survive off our own continent. Did I mention I have been to downtown Cabilis? Its a wreck. Not worth building all the faction I did to get there.
So, while the Iksar monk is running all day to get to a bank where he/she can drop off that PHAT loot my human monk is already long back into the action.
Also, Iksar have that 50% experience penalty. When your Iksar monk finally hits level 20 my Human monk is already 25 or 26. Duel me! :-)
Regeneration for a monk is almost useless. Any monk can use bandages and Mend. So, regen saves you a few silver pieces on bandages. No big deal.
Forage? Hey, any bozo can go out and kill animals for Chunk of Meat. It is a meal. Kill desert madmen for water. Beg some summoned food and water from a cleric, druid, or shaman.
DEX? AGI? Every monk I have known claims that AC and HP are the way to go. Lets see, what was that stat that affects HP? Oh, yes, STA! Iksar get an AC advantage but Humans get the HP advantage. Looks like a break even from here.
Oh, BTW, Humans get to BANK PLACES! We don't have to run 3 or 4 zones to get to a place where we are not KOS to residents. We don't have to spend hours of faction building so that we can survive off our own continent. Did I mention I have been to downtown Cabilis? Its a wreck. Not worth building all the faction I did to get there.
So, while the Iksar monk is running all day to get to a bank where he/she can drop off that PHAT loot my human monk is already long back into the action.
Also, Iksar have that 50% experience penalty. When your Iksar monk finally hits level 20 my Human monk is already 25 or 26. Duel me! :-)
hi all
just my 2 cp worth on playing a human druid or any other human class.
1/this is my 1st character on eq and i wanted to see the sights of norath.(straight into PvP)sure elves and halflings have a higher wis than me but not by much we are stronger than elves and halflings have more stamina and the same charisma as elves
2/humans have the best faction of all races with a little work on faction you can enter just about any city
3/our stats are averaged out and we really dont have any bad or good stats.
4/we get a better option of equipment to make up for stats we can just about wear anything most other races can wear except for there cultural armor.
5/we level faster than most races, id just like to say that is where you will find all ya good equipment the higher level you are the better equipment you will run across.
well thanx this is my cp worth
littenin stryx
tallon zek
34 druid
just my 2 cp worth on playing a human druid or any other human class.
1/this is my 1st character on eq and i wanted to see the sights of norath.(straight into PvP)sure elves and halflings have a higher wis than me but not by much we are stronger than elves and halflings have more stamina and the same charisma as elves
2/humans have the best faction of all races with a little work on faction you can enter just about any city
3/our stats are averaged out and we really dont have any bad or good stats.
4/we get a better option of equipment to make up for stats we can just about wear anything most other races can wear except for there cultural armor.
5/we level faster than most races, id just like to say that is where you will find all ya good equipment the higher level you are the better equipment you will run across.
well thanx this is my cp worth
littenin stryx
tallon zek
34 druid
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/agree
Jainician 59 druid Solosek RO
Jainician 59 druid Solosek RO
15 posts
Ok i would like to know which diety this character would follow i dont think he/she has much of a choice but i think it would be fun playing one :)
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Shasheena Silverdawn
Tunare rules!
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Shasheena Silverdawn
Tunare rules!
2 posts
all you guys go home eq sucks!
lol just kidding but, humans arent that good at first but when you get higher lvls you get items that raise your stats. So human are ok but , if you dont like the dark then dont be one . They have really bad night vision. I have a human char well i have two. one is lvl 35 monk and the other one lvl 56 pally. ther you go, thats what you need to know about humans . 1-no night vision
2-bad stats
cya 56 pally kuffo hooler
Edited, Sat Dec 29 23:59:24 2001
lol just kidding but, humans arent that good at first but when you get higher lvls you get items that raise your stats. So human are ok but , if you dont like the dark then dont be one . They have really bad night vision. I have a human char well i have two. one is lvl 35 monk and the other one lvl 56 pally. ther you go, thats what you need to know about humans . 1-no night vision
2-bad stats
cya 56 pally kuffo hooler
Edited, Sat Dec 29 23:59:24 2001
I will not argue that some perceive a problem with playing humans.
But the problem, if there is indeed one, is not that they have bad stats. They just have more normal stats than the more fantastic races. And that is why I say that playing a human, over one of the fantastic races, is often more challenging and, for some, more rewarding.
It boils down to a personal choice, I guess, and nobody's opinion matters more than your own in that case. My advice has always been: Play what you want and stay with what you like playing.
Edited, Sun Dec 30 12:52:00 2001
But the problem, if there is indeed one, is not that they have bad stats. They just have more normal stats than the more fantastic races. And that is why I say that playing a human, over one of the fantastic races, is often more challenging and, for some, more rewarding.
It boils down to a personal choice, I guess, and nobody's opinion matters more than your own in that case. My advice has always been: Play what you want and stay with what you like playing.
Edited, Sun Dec 30 12:52:00 2001
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It's so true...
Some people dont like humans because they dont have stats that you need to have. I like them personally, I mean a wizard with 80str? Thats pretty rare. Their Sk is one of the best (because it's easy to lvl and has better SK STATS than an Iksar, although ogres and trolls win in terms of stats). They also make the best monk (in my opinion) they take half as much time to get to lvl 60 as an iksar, they are a GOOD RACE, and they have more STR than the Iksar too. If you dont like your stats get some items to boost them and stop complaining. And uh buddy if you hate humans so much why to you have a lvl 56 pally?
Bartolos
10SK
Innoruuk
"Look before you leap.."
Some people dont like humans because they dont have stats that you need to have. I like them personally, I mean a wizard with 80str? Thats pretty rare. Their Sk is one of the best (because it's easy to lvl and has better SK STATS than an Iksar, although ogres and trolls win in terms of stats). They also make the best monk (in my opinion) they take half as much time to get to lvl 60 as an iksar, they are a GOOD RACE, and they have more STR than the Iksar too. If you dont like your stats get some items to boost them and stop complaining. And uh buddy if you hate humans so much why to you have a lvl 56 pally?
Bartolos
10SK
Innoruuk
"Look before you leap.."
5 posts
Monkmaneq! That's the stupidest line of reasoning.. "Why do you have a 56 pally".. SOME people started playing when EQ first came out WITHOUT these info sites (God forbid). In the FIRST place, he wasn't bad mouthing Humans. He was stating FACT. I have a human monk which I dearly enjoy playing. 1: I AM BLIND, just as he'd mentioned. 2: My stats aren't the best. 3: WHO CARES... I'm sure he understands that YES humans level faster than other races, and YES they have some stats better than others. He and the post above yours merely STATE THE TRUTH. Humans do NOT have perfect stats, ARE blind, and YES level fast. You say "Look before you leap", but I say to YOU "THINK before you leap"... Analyze exactly what they're saying before ripping their head off, PLEASE be courteous. I don't want to sound like a bad guy, but I just wanted to state my opinion on the fact that htey were stating fact and not putting down humans.
Cazrel Narcoleptic->
Human Monk 51st level
Ninth Ring of Fire(Lanys)
Karaash Bandicoot->
Vah Shir Bard (42)
Ninth Ring of Fire
Human Monk 51st level
Ninth Ring of Fire(Lanys)
Karaash Bandicoot->
Vah Shir Bard (42)
Ninth Ring of Fire
I have been entirely too negative lately in some of my replies, but I guess my pilot light is always burning and it takes very little for me to flame on.
In an effort to actually post something useful -- How refreshing, huh? -- I would like to comment on my experience thus far with my human character.
To paraphrase Pusbag Infection, silver-tongued troll that he is, the human is average, the basic player character with which all other races are compared. The human is neither vastly superior, nor dismally inferior, to any other race. The human is balanced. That, according to Pusbag, is the human's strength. At great risk to my mortal soul, I agree with him.
Contrary to popular opinion, I have experienced very little difficulty in navigating and fighting at night. That once was not so. I recall human friends sidelined until dawn in the past, while my nonhuman characters frolicked on 24/7. Today, however, especially since Verant reduced the impact of night-blindness, it is not a major drawback to choosing a human. Besides, a lightstone is a reasonable purchase and a fire beetle eye is easy to get, too. Just ties up an inventory slot.
Humans are not weaklings, just because there are other nonhuman races that are superior in strength. Besides, strength gear abounds and most of it is relatively easy to get your hands on.
Humans are not frail, just because there are nonhuman races that have special racial attributes that give them greater natural AC, faster HP regeneration, and higher stamina. Personally, I pumped the bulk of my points into my human monk's stamina, figuring that strength, agility, and dexterity items are easy enough to find in the course of the game, and lots of that stuff also has decent enough AC on it, too. Not great, but decent.
I will not argue that the human's wisdom and intelligence are lower than all of the elves, halflings, etc. But it is higher than the trolls, ogres, etc. To play a human magic user, you have to be prepared for a greater challenge.
Each race has its strengths and weaknesses, that much is true and is often overlooked. If you focus on the human's weaknesses alone, you will deprive yourself of the opportunity to be richly challenged in this game.
Edited, Tue Dec 11 12:32:20 2001
In an effort to actually post something useful -- How refreshing, huh? -- I would like to comment on my experience thus far with my human character.
To paraphrase Pusbag Infection, silver-tongued troll that he is, the human is average, the basic player character with which all other races are compared. The human is neither vastly superior, nor dismally inferior, to any other race. The human is balanced. That, according to Pusbag, is the human's strength. At great risk to my mortal soul, I agree with him.
Contrary to popular opinion, I have experienced very little difficulty in navigating and fighting at night. That once was not so. I recall human friends sidelined until dawn in the past, while my nonhuman characters frolicked on 24/7. Today, however, especially since Verant reduced the impact of night-blindness, it is not a major drawback to choosing a human. Besides, a lightstone is a reasonable purchase and a fire beetle eye is easy to get, too. Just ties up an inventory slot.
Humans are not weaklings, just because there are other nonhuman races that are superior in strength. Besides, strength gear abounds and most of it is relatively easy to get your hands on.
Humans are not frail, just because there are nonhuman races that have special racial attributes that give them greater natural AC, faster HP regeneration, and higher stamina. Personally, I pumped the bulk of my points into my human monk's stamina, figuring that strength, agility, and dexterity items are easy enough to find in the course of the game, and lots of that stuff also has decent enough AC on it, too. Not great, but decent.
I will not argue that the human's wisdom and intelligence are lower than all of the elves, halflings, etc. But it is higher than the trolls, ogres, etc. To play a human magic user, you have to be prepared for a greater challenge.
Each race has its strengths and weaknesses, that much is true and is often overlooked. If you focus on the human's weaknesses alone, you will deprive yourself of the opportunity to be richly challenged in this game.
Edited, Tue Dec 11 12:32:20 2001
The mistake many players make when thinking about humans is their focus on human "weaknesses". The advantage of the human character is that they don't HAVE any weaknesses. What they also don't have is any particular strengths.
You have problems in different aspects of the game - severe penalties, in some cases - when a given stat is below 80. If because of your race, a stat is oh, say... 60 or 70, it becomes prohibitively expensive to use your "bonus" points at character creation time to bring that stat to 80. What most people do is jack their primary stat as high as they can, and drop the remainder of their points wherever.
When creating my bard, I looked at all the "bardic" races, and decided to create a human because I didn't want to pay any of those penalties. My so-called jack-of-all-trades character has jack-of-all-trades stats to go along with his class. The only real problem he has is that with a strength of 90, he has little carrying capacity when wearing his combination fine plate & cold/etched iron suit of armor. A little STR jewelry, and that problem will be history.
The fact of the matter is, in the hands of a good player, a character with mediocre stats will still be a great benefit to any group. In the hands of a bad player, a character with great stats will still stink.
Tiger Woods, given a mismatched set of hickory shafted clubs and a range ball would still kick your butt in a round of golf even if you were using Callaway's finest clubs and Titleist's best ball. It's not the equipment, it's the athlete. It's not the character, it's the player.
Edited, Wed Mar 20 12:24:32 2002
You have problems in different aspects of the game - severe penalties, in some cases - when a given stat is below 80. If because of your race, a stat is oh, say... 60 or 70, it becomes prohibitively expensive to use your "bonus" points at character creation time to bring that stat to 80. What most people do is jack their primary stat as high as they can, and drop the remainder of their points wherever.
When creating my bard, I looked at all the "bardic" races, and decided to create a human because I didn't want to pay any of those penalties. My so-called jack-of-all-trades character has jack-of-all-trades stats to go along with his class. The only real problem he has is that with a strength of 90, he has little carrying capacity when wearing his combination fine plate & cold/etched iron suit of armor. A little STR jewelry, and that problem will be history.
The fact of the matter is, in the hands of a good player, a character with mediocre stats will still be a great benefit to any group. In the hands of a bad player, a character with great stats will still stink.
Tiger Woods, given a mismatched set of hickory shafted clubs and a range ball would still kick your butt in a round of golf even if you were using Callaway's finest clubs and Titleist's best ball. It's not the equipment, it's the athlete. It's not the character, it's the player.
Edited, Wed Mar 20 12:24:32 2002
3 posts
Bravo bravo. I'm sorry, this MB is reserved or strategic discussions....not you suck, he sucks, they suck. Stick that to "Private" in game channels please.
Anonymous
i currently play a lvl 18 mage (well 17 now since i accediently attacked mage master in erudin SORRY) and he well sucks. he has int 115 and casts slower than i can run (thats pretty slow) and i am getting sick of same old slow casting abilities. is there any quests/events comin up that i could get hella kewl stuff to buff up my mage and impress well anyone out there...
plz?
Trimme (povar) no diety
lvl 18 (soon enough) give a tell sometime and we can talk )
plz?
Trimme (povar) no diety
lvl 18 (soon enough) give a tell sometime and we can talk )
49 posts
with the new focus items i think there's something that speeds up casting. also, i believe that mastering specialization speeds up the related spells
#Anonymous,
Posted: Oct 29 2001 at 11:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I Drake Darkclaw am looking for only the strongest Warriors, Rangers, Rouges, and ShadowKnights. Must be lvl 80-85. any race
Anonymous
whoever posted this is a moron there is no 80-85 lvl the lvls stop at 60
Anonymous
Sup All,
Just a quick question. (recently converted D2exp player). What is the best race to play with a necro? Thanks for the responses!
CPT D
Just a quick question. (recently converted D2exp player). What is the best race to play with a necro? Thanks for the responses!
CPT D
5 posts
Well,
Erudites have the highest int, but nowadays with minimal pp int can be brought up to the soft cap. Erudites cannot see very well in the dark though which means you might be missing out on xp at night becuz of hindered vision
Humans have good all around stats but are basically hated in both the good part of his/her city and in all of the parts of evil races(so far, that is what i have seen). They have no night vision though. Humans i believe have some sort of xp boost though.
Dark elves look cool and can be fun role-playing and i think have the second highest int. Dark elves are loved in their home city, but i always get lost in neriak. And they can see in the dark which means more xp becuz u can hunt in the night aswell.
*Remember any stat or any short coming CAN be over come through the course of the game* So it is basically what you think is cool.
Erudites have the highest int, but nowadays with minimal pp int can be brought up to the soft cap. Erudites cannot see very well in the dark though which means you might be missing out on xp at night becuz of hindered vision
Humans have good all around stats but are basically hated in both the good part of his/her city and in all of the parts of evil races(so far, that is what i have seen). They have no night vision though. Humans i believe have some sort of xp boost though.
Dark elves look cool and can be fun role-playing and i think have the second highest int. Dark elves are loved in their home city, but i always get lost in neriak. And they can see in the dark which means more xp becuz u can hunt in the night aswell.
*Remember any stat or any short coming CAN be over come through the course of the game* So it is basically what you think is cool.
Hmmm... I kinda like an Ikky necro because they get what has got to be the best newbie areas of the game, Field of Bone and the Lake of Ill Omen. Decent bunch of quests, too.
After that, I'd go human in Freeport (not too sure about the quests in Qeynos). You can do quests for the Militia as well as for Neriak/Ogguk/Grobb. Blind, mediocre stats but able to go a number of places the Inkys and big-uglies can't go.
Get used to the idea of banking in Neriak, 'tho.
Bluudnitsa, hummy SK of Cuddles (also known as Innoruuk)
After that, I'd go human in Freeport (not too sure about the quests in Qeynos). You can do quests for the Militia as well as for Neriak/Ogguk/Grobb. Blind, mediocre stats but able to go a number of places the Inkys and big-uglies can't go.
Get used to the idea of banking in Neriak, 'tho.
Bluudnitsa, hummy SK of Cuddles (also known as Innoruuk)
Anonymous
I think Dark elves are the best but thats my opinion.All the necros i had were dark elves and most necros iv seen have been dark elves but it matters sometimes
Anonymous
Well it took Verant 2 and half years but humans in EQ (+barbarians and erudites) now see as well at night as a real human would by starlight. We're almost playable unaugmented at night now.
Just hope it don't rain...
Just hope it don't rain...
Anonymous
Hi all I just want to let you know that when the RP server (firiona vie) comes out that i want to start a good guild. This guild would hand in their tomes of order and discord to have the server wide uniqueness of having red names and we would be able to kill any evils that would hand in their tomes too.
send me an email at phil0@hotmail.com to talk about it
or add me to your MSN list using phil0@hotmail.com
and my icq# is 70953900
send me an email at phil0@hotmail.com to talk about it
or add me to your MSN list using phil0@hotmail.com
and my icq# is 70953900
Anonymous
They can be almost everything,and have all the hook-ups with the women around the "Good" word.
Its good that they are blind,I tried a monk,BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDD IDEA!
Its good that they are blind,I tried a monk,BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDD IDEA!
Anonymous
Humans have the worst combined starting stats in the game (well, tied w/ half elves)
We have no night vision.
We have everyclass but generally pound for pound are hindered behind other races playing them in all cases except SK, Monk, Druid and Ranger. (and yeah, we're not too bad at others, but those are the only three you'll every likely see a human at Best of the Best tournaments past round 1)
HOWEVER we do have one thing.
AWESOME players. Lets face it, when we take up the human mantel we are well aware of these issues and we play around them. Do you think it's a considence uber guilds are formed around 2 races...
1.) whatever race has the best stats for the class
2.) humans
Just my 2 cents. We may not fly the best jet, but we're the top gun pilots.
We have no night vision.
We have everyclass but generally pound for pound are hindered behind other races playing them in all cases except SK, Monk, Druid and Ranger. (and yeah, we're not too bad at others, but those are the only three you'll every likely see a human at Best of the Best tournaments past round 1)
HOWEVER we do have one thing.
AWESOME players. Lets face it, when we take up the human mantel we are well aware of these issues and we play around them. Do you think it's a considence uber guilds are formed around 2 races...
1.) whatever race has the best stats for the class
2.) humans
Just my 2 cents. We may not fly the best jet, but we're the top gun pilots.
Anonymous
err awesome players that need help at basic math. FOUR classes you'll ever see at BoB my bad.
Anonymous
the best thing there good for is monks shadowknights and warriors but its your account not mine do what you like
Anonymous
humans can be every thing but a shaman but that does not mean they will make a good monk or anything else i have a human monk myself and she rocks.humans dont realy make good mages or wizards because there int is realy low.
Anonymous
Just thought I'd throw something in. I recently started a human monk. Just wanted to try something new. I played a human warrior to 27, got a little bored of the hack and slash, tried a couple other race/class combos, and settled on a DE Chanter for a while. Decided I wanted to melee again, and went for a monk. I could never understand why the monks I met before seemed to enjoy them so much. Seems kinda dull, you can only wear certain types of armor, weight restrictions, 1HB weapons are the only weapons, etc. etc. etc. Well, I am having a BLAST with my human monk. The special skills you get more than make up for any thing you might be missing.
Iksar monk = night vision -Human monk = Don't be a cheap skate! Go by a light stone for 8pp!
Iksar = Swimming skill starts at 100 - Human = Go find a water area in some town, then set up your character to swim right near the surface so you won't drown, go cook dinner and eat it. By the time you come back, your swimming skill will be 100!
Iksar = Enhanced regeneration - Human = Buy bandages... lots. If you use your bind wound skill consistently, it WILL go up pretty fast. My 16 monk has almost mastered this skill already. Plus you get Mend skill anyway. Use that enough, and Regen doesn't really matter.
Iksar = XP RESTRICTION! (They level slower) - Human = 16 levels in about 3 weeks! (I work and pay bills, I DON'T play EQ for days at a time!)
Anyway, that's my take on the human monk situation.
Ohtrux
<Walkers>
Vazaelle
Iksar monk = night vision -Human monk = Don't be a cheap skate! Go by a light stone for 8pp!
Iksar = Swimming skill starts at 100 - Human = Go find a water area in some town, then set up your character to swim right near the surface so you won't drown, go cook dinner and eat it. By the time you come back, your swimming skill will be 100!
Iksar = Enhanced regeneration - Human = Buy bandages... lots. If you use your bind wound skill consistently, it WILL go up pretty fast. My 16 monk has almost mastered this skill already. Plus you get Mend skill anyway. Use that enough, and Regen doesn't really matter.
Iksar = XP RESTRICTION! (They level slower) - Human = 16 levels in about 3 weeks! (I work and pay bills, I DON'T play EQ for days at a time!)
Anyway, that's my take on the human monk situation.
Ohtrux
<Walkers>
Vazaelle
5 posts
Yah, i agree w/ the anon post about iksar faction, god, who the hell cares about a few ac, for one thing, us humans LOOK cooler and we wont get slaughtered in all of the good cities(but once again, you can build up faction, but who the hell wants to?), but that is IMHO. Gonna go to sleep, but i have to respond to the people who flame me soon enough. Later all for now
Anonymous
Iksars have better stats then humans.Iksar faction isnt that hard to work up.Iksar have many advantages the regen,mend,and bind wound means just about no downtime.Swimming the iksar dont have to worry about swimming they can keep lvling insted of swimming in circles a whole day.Their exp. restriction i was lvl 16 iksar monk in less then 5days or so.Also you will drown if u go cook and eat dinner unless u eat some 1min. dinner or something.The only thing i heard about humans is their faction but that can be changed easily,they hit faster(but iksars have better stats)im not sure if thats true,and they start in a good area (iksar start in a good area also they could stay there till lvl 30 or so becuase Lake of Ill Omen is close by and if u didnt like that place leave at lvl 5-7 or so get a bind in one of the freeports,besides nfp,and make sure your not close to the guards and go to east commons and kill orcs).
Anonymous
Also, human monks have slightly better fists, which will become very formidable in the long run. Also, Iksar faction is a *****!
My char is a human rogue. The only draw back is the strenght. Its but a mere 75. i have added items that buff it up to 94. giving me a little extra space to carry items. Well just about all my abbilities are 75. So i have spent thousands of pp buying items that will increase my stats ..Once that was all done with i found i can go anywhere and do anything.. there is very little that any faction can do about it..if they dont like me..sneak , hide..walk by...that simple..most people dont like rogues..but when they hit for a max of 20 and i can double attack faster with 40 dam and still backstab.. my weapons dely time aint but 30-40 so i have a fast hit recovery..meaning i hit for less dam then others but i hit far more times...so in the time it takes a warrior of same lv to hit for just 30 damage i have done delt about 120 damage.. see..they must hit twice to get the 30 damage while when i hit twice it deals bout 60 damage then i use backstab for another 60 damage. I dont know if being another race would increacse the backstab but. i like it.
Anonymous
i wanna make an human SK. questions. can i get from my guild to the newbie zone w/o haveing to sneak around underground? can i go to the bank? who are people who will want to rip my head off? thank you for your time.
Anonymous
Depends on god. If your innoruuk/freeport you can roam all the city but the north end (paly area) and even then you can OCCASIONALLY head there with enough faction boosts by killing things the pally's hate.
If your Bertox/queynos congradulations, the sewers are now your new home.
Ow and gratz on your career and race path! The SK is one of only 3 classes the Human can compete on equal terms with it's metahuman coworkers. (the monk and druid come to mind as the other two)
Not saying a smart human player can't smoke a dumb say dark elf player (after all, the best players pick humans for the challenge, and with that kind of elite player anything is possible), but it is nice to have stats on your side for once instead of hearing all the little 12 y/o with daddy's credit card ogre warrior playing fools ***** about 'why'd you pick that class and race'.
If your Bertox/queynos congradulations, the sewers are now your new home.
Ow and gratz on your career and race path! The SK is one of only 3 classes the Human can compete on equal terms with it's metahuman coworkers. (the monk and druid come to mind as the other two)
Not saying a smart human player can't smoke a dumb say dark elf player (after all, the best players pick humans for the challenge, and with that kind of elite player anything is possible), but it is nice to have stats on your side for once instead of hearing all the little 12 y/o with daddy's credit card ogre warrior playing fools ***** about 'why'd you pick that class and race'.
Anonymous
if you got agnostic then you shouldnt be KOS in any of freeport...I think, not sure about qeynos but I know that deinty has a lot to do with it
I dunno... do a few of the Militia quests and you'll be KoS three zones away by the Mith Marr Clerics and Pallys.
No sense of humor, those two groups.
Bluudnitsa, SK of Cuddles (also known as Innoruuk) who does ALL her banking in Neriak (they still give toaster-ovens with a new account, and the teller is cute)
No sense of humor, those two groups.
Bluudnitsa, SK of Cuddles (also known as Innoruuk) who does ALL her banking in Neriak (they still give toaster-ovens with a new account, and the teller is cute)
Anonymous
Humans are awesome! I don't mind other races, but Humans rule!
Anonymous
I'm not sure I get all the complaints about stats in a ROLEPLAYING game.
Personally I feel Verant should have included some human advantages to end all the bashing but oh well.
Since Verant took such a cue from AD&D they should have taken a few more such as: only humans can be paladins, and the ability to be dual class.. damn that would be dope.
Either way it doesn't matter, you are to occupy a role, not occupy a group of statistics. We all know how to be human, thus making for great roleplaying. Tell me, how do any of you know how to play a gigantic lizard man?
Personally I feel Verant should have included some human advantages to end all the bashing but oh well.
Since Verant took such a cue from AD&D they should have taken a few more such as: only humans can be paladins, and the ability to be dual class.. damn that would be dope.
Either way it doesn't matter, you are to occupy a role, not occupy a group of statistics. We all know how to be human, thus making for great roleplaying. Tell me, how do any of you know how to play a gigantic lizard man?
Anonymous
you are right
Anonymous
human's rock and for the other peaple that use barb's or iksars THAY SUCK!
Scholar
16 posts
Hey! Barbies are paople too=)
Keep that attituse and see if I ever give your butt a sow, junior!
(hehe)
Keep that attituse and see if I ever give your butt a sow, junior!
(hehe)
Anonymous
there is one thing to say about human..they rock...I went for a ranger becasue I like to solo...be one....it rocks...also...who cares about night vision...just a stupid drawback that verant made so they could make other stuff better...be a human....
Anonymous
I am a level 13 human enchanter and I have to say that the only reason I chose human is because they can start out in Freeport. I hate every other city. But besides that I was wondering a good place for me to hunt. I have tried hunting in West commonlands, North Ro and Oasis and I do not enjoy. Any suggestions?
Odio
Odio
9 posts
As a hum/nec, i started in wf. after hunting for 3 hours to find my guild, i managed to stumble across it (yes i was in the slums). My issue now is this, why can i not find the rest of my lvl 4 spells? I had to bribe someone to purchase the gate spell from the arcance and give it to me!!
Ho, Willo...
Look harder. If you found the guildmistress, you have found the spells. You are, well, not welcomed in Neriak, but also not dead in Neriak, so look there. BUT, stay away from the Neriak Necro/SK guild until you get Invis to Undead - the ghoul guards outside the combined guildhall will eat your shorts with you in them.
Bluudnitsa (v'Smertii when she gets to 20 from her current 14) SK of Cuddles (also known as Innoruuk)
Look harder. If you found the guildmistress, you have found the spells. You are, well, not welcomed in Neriak, but also not dead in Neriak, so look there. BUT, stay away from the Neriak Necro/SK guild until you get Invis to Undead - the ghoul guards outside the combined guildhall will eat your shorts with you in them.
Bluudnitsa (v'Smertii when she gets to 20 from her current 14) SK of Cuddles (also known as Innoruuk)
9 posts
The past few days... I have read more than I did in the past year!!
I am still very new to the game (5 days now), and am hiving some problems with getting no answers to my questions.
I do play on the quellious(?) server, and while most people generally answer the first 2 or 3 questions, they seem to stop suddenly.
I am trying to find some type of guide for the quests. Either by race or by class, with the suggested lvl you need to be to complete.
After finally settling on a class/char (hum/nec), I am in this one for the duration (atleast into the 20's ;P).
Any comments?
I am still very new to the game (5 days now), and am hiving some problems with getting no answers to my questions.
I do play on the quellious(?) server, and while most people generally answer the first 2 or 3 questions, they seem to stop suddenly.
I am trying to find some type of guide for the quests. Either by race or by class, with the suggested lvl you need to be to complete.
After finally settling on a class/char (hum/nec), I am in this one for the duration (atleast into the 20's ;P).
Any comments?
3 posts
I believe the answer you are searching for is right on this page to the left.......under Quests, you can chose the link 'by item', 'by class', 'by fraction'...etc.....hope this helped :) Just be safe and remember, that newbies do not have all the experience to travel in some of the places the quests take you.
Verant needs to give us somekind of Cultural Tailoring for our gods (Karana and Tunare) or at LEAST enable us to cultural smith halfling stuff (if your karana) or wood elf (if your tunare)
Verant has explained why HalfElves can't get cultural (they have no culture, and their compensated by being able to wear ALOT of other stuff, even DaEl cultural) but Humans were supposed to be trade masters, since our towns are the trade centers of the world. So at some point i think it would be nice if Verant allowed human tailors to make imbued leathers.
Verant has explained why HalfElves can't get cultural (they have no culture, and their compensated by being able to wear ALOT of other stuff, even DaEl cultural) but Humans were supposed to be trade masters, since our towns are the trade centers of the world. So at some point i think it would be nice if Verant allowed human tailors to make imbued leathers.
Anonymous
Human Druids run out of mana to fast.....not a good choice for a druid..... no offence bro.....
<sighs>I play a human druid, and guess what, they have 5 less wis than other races....and a LOT more than half-elves. If I see a 50+ half-elf druid I'll let you know. Know what 5 wis is at lvl 60? Like 65 mana. 2 Ensnares. Damn, no wonder those halflings are so good at quading raptors.....2 extra snares. Poor nerfed humans and their inferior wisdom/mana :( I'm gonna go make a little pudgy dude or woodelf #145,678 for that ubah +5 starting wisdom <cheers>
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