Muffin for Pandos  

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Time:1 minute
Level:1
Maximum Level:100
Monster Mission:No
Repeatable:Yes
Can Be Shrouded?:No
Quest Type:Quest
Quest Goal:
  • Faction
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Factions Lowered:
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Era:Original
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Group Size:Solo
Min. # of Players:1
Max. # of Players:1
Appropriate Classes:
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Appropriate Races:
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Entered: Tue Jan 2 15:30:53 2001
Modified: Sun Aug 24 20:08:32 2014
Pandos Flintside may be found at 100, -615 in the Hogcaller's Inn of West Freeport. (You can use Find - CTRL+F - on Trissa Whistlesong to help locate.)

You say, 'Hail, Pandos Flintside'

Pandos Flintside says 'Greetings! Please move along. I am not paid to converse with strangers... unless of course you have a muffin or two..?'

Vendors that sell muffins in West Freeport (7 copper):

Gern Tassel
Innkeep Evelona
Innkeep Palola
Innkeep Rille
Pincia Brownloe
Rashinda Elore

Give him a Muffin.

Pandos Flintside says 'Mmmm. This smells delicious. Oh great!! No milk!! Don't you have any sense?! Just tell me the name of the bakery and I will run and get it myself. I am sure Lady Shae will be safe.'

Your faction standing with Faydarks Champions got better. (+1)
Your faction standing with King Tearis Thex got better. (+1)
Your faction standing with Clerics of Tunare got better. (+1)
Your faction standing with Soldiers of Tunare got better. (+1)
Your faction standing with Crushbone Orcs got worse. (-1)
You gain experience!!

If you tell him you got the muffins at the Brownloe bakery, he'll go there. As soon as he leaves, this ward comes out and will talk to you. This dovetails into the Hogcaller Inn Quest.
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Factions
# Aug 23 2014 at 5:48 PM Rating: Excellent
Factions Raised:

Clerics of Tunare 1
Faydarks Champions 1
King Tearis Thex 1
Soldiers of Tunare 1

Factions Lowered:

Crushbone Orcs -1
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# Sep 13 2014 at 1:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I have not played my main who is a Halfling Druid forever because of her KOS status. Can i turn in more then 4 muffins at a time and get faction? What is the max amount i can turn in at 1 time?
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# Apr 09 2013 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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Directly Across from Trissa Whistlesong. Use /FIND. Then buy the muffins from any of the sellers and come right back here ~ with STACKS ~ and turn them in as stacks of 20.

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You can now turn in stacks
# Dec 23 2012 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Since you can now turn in stacks of quest items, you can get this done unbelievable fast. Just turn in 4 stacks of 20 Muffins at a time and watch the faction fly. It took me less than a minute to get to Kindly, turning in about 20 stacks of Muffins.
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Don't forget Crushbone
# Aug 29 2011 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I am a Drakkin ranger, and I figured I would have to do the faction quest (natch). I noticed the faction hits you get with the muffin quest they are all identical in Crushbone except King Tearis Thex, so go to gfay and forage for your heartfruit, while you are there kill every cotton picking orc you can find, run through Crushbone a few times and slaughter everything ending with Emporer Crush. (Kill D'vinn just cause you **** well can!)
I started out as apprehensive to the guards in Kelethin & Felwithe, after clearing CB 3x's I was amiable, took maybe a half hour if that. Had to go to Freeport to complete another quest so for kicks and giggles I turned in 200 muffins and conned Pandos, I was kindly.
If you can't handle doing 1000+ muffin turn in, here's your alternative.
The real deal
# Jul 16 2010 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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My lvl 65 ranger conned Telin Darkforest at amiably and he would not speak to her. She did this muffin quest and after 280 muffins stuffed into Pandos Flintside she went back to Telin and still conned amiably but this time Telin spoke. She got the quest.

So if amiably, 280 max seems to be the magic number to get Telin to speak to you. Amiably is the faction needed it just needs to be on the high end of amiably. Cha 283 with Unfailing Reverence buff and 262 unbuffed he still spoke after the 280 muffins.

Now go buy 280 muffins and feed Pandos Flintside till he bursts!
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Muffin stuffin the flintside puffin
# Jan 05 2010 at 5:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok as being a woody it took around 350 muffin's to stuff this fatty. To give me the faction from amiable to Kindly. Come on EQ put some more yeast in them muffins so that it can be done by the stack. Anyways hope this helps you out and your not eating muffins for weeks cause of extra turn in leftovers.
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# Jul 03 2009 at 12:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I started as a human ranger level 54, low amibly to pandos on the mayong (51/50) server.I turned in around 10000 muffins, and im not max ally. thats bs! from what ive read, people started at same faction as me, and turned in 5000 muffins and got max ally... right now im low ally......booh
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Took me around 3000 muffins to reach ally on ranger after being kos. At least I think I was kos cause he attacked me the first time he saw me.
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# Jun 29 2009 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Time it just right and you can open a trade screen, invis, drop muffins into trade and click trade without getting agro.

Helps to have a chanter standing nearby to memblur if Pandos does agro.

Previous info of 67 stacks = dubious was accurate. I was near max KOS.

EDIT: 1452 muffins and still dubious.

Edited, Jun 30th 2009 7:44pm by jedis
My Faction Was Swift
# Mar 10 2009 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
Well as I previously stated I started Indiffrently with Pados. After my friends lvl 46 Druid turned in 820 muffins, her faction standing is ally, 3/10/2009!!
Faction/loc
# Mar 10 2009 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
I went from indiffrent to amiably after 1 stack of muffins. B\Taking forever to gets past amiably lol. His loc I found him at on 3/10/2009 is
106.61, -614.73, -88.91..... Right Inside the Hoginn or bar whatever its called. Inside and to the right. Hope this information helps!!!
muffins to max ally
# Jun 18 2008 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
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For those curious...

Woodelf ranger, Karana aligned.

1760 muffins to max clerics and soldiers of tunare.
1790 muffins to max faydarks champions.
1810 muffins to max king tearis thex.
Muffin for Pandos
# Mar 08 2008 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Took me 25 stacks of muffins to get to kindly faction on my 49 drakkin druid (appr, indif,amiably, kindly) with the muffin dude. Don't know why but yeah my faction was 1st apprehensively & then indifferent with him...

And 26 stacks for a 46 halfling druid, to get same faction.

Edited, Mar 9th 2008 9:33am by Absolutioness
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Found a way to get Non-KOS to Pandos
# May 03 2007 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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My goal here is to fix Tunare Factions from PoG raids. Did some reading here and decided to try this two quest process. The best way to fix those factions is with the Muffin Quest...

So here we begin... Pandos hates me (Scowling) so I can't do the muffin quest to fix Soldiers and Clerics of Tunare. Pandos is also on King Tearis Thex and Faydark's Champions factions. I am ally to the Guards at Felwithe probably from all the orc killing I've done in my youth. but that still did not make a difference with Pandos.
So I figured if I can get two of his factions up to ally I may be able to get to Threatening at least.

I did some killing in Mistmoore to work on the Thex faction but still didn't get that up high enough there...
I killed the DE camp in Lesser Faydark to work on Clerics of Tunare Faction a little as well.. (This may have helped me reach the outcome that I did)

I came back here and read through more messages and found that the batwing quest was a good place to start working on Pandos' factions. so I bought 6 - 10slot bags full of Batwings... (100 per stack now) ane went to see Niola Impholder in the Magician's guild in Felwithe.
I was indifferent with her to start....

OK Here's the run down on Faction Adjustments as I turned these in to her...
I started off as indifferent to her...

200 Wings and I'm Amiable to her (50 Turn ins)
800 More and I'm Kindly to her (200 Turn ins)
500 More and I'm Warmly to her (125 Turn ins)
700 More and I'm Ally to her (175 Turn ins)
I turned in 800 more and factions still aren't maxxed.

I checked Elia the Pure on my way out of Felwithe and she was still Scowling.
I went to see Pandos and I'm now Dubious to him and am able to turn in Muffins.
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# Feb 10 2007 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
I am ally now thanks to muffin quest ...bought stacks ...prob 1500 total and in ....and now can do my ranger quest for epic 1.0 ...a note here...when i broke through the barrier to ally.....pandos cast harmony on me....dont think its a coincidence...salute
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Muffin Quest
# Jan 20 2007 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
If you look on the page for PoG it states " There is no way to fix Tuna faction" But everyone swears by the muffin quest. Only problem i see is agro from guards, NOW most all people are KoS in freeport, has anyone got any ideas of how to go around this, invis drops the min.. you hand the first muffin in. Crazy thing to do, might have thought about moving quest NPC to a better location.


Thanks

WOOT! couple thousand muffins and am dubious now. Only two attacks from guards, have tryed this quest in the past and nothing, seems it works if you can stand still that long)>

Edited, Jan 20th 2007 6:14am by pinkysbliss
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# Feb 10 2007 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
Have you tried the giants quest in so and no ro zones kill the giants 15 at a time or the named ones in ea ro zone and you get faction with freeport guards....its easy and reported to be the best faction fixer avail for guards
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Muffin Quest
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if you're looking to move freeport militia faction, try the orc scalp collecting quest in highpass. scalps are easy to get in and around crushbone. theupside, it also improves corrupt qeynos guard as well.
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Some help in 2006
# Apr 13 2006 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I am KoS to Pandos. I can not do the Druid Epic. Any Tasks out there? Anyone know how I can fix this? I even petitioned in game, but as always I recived no help from SONY. I just dont know if a fix is possible.

Edited, Thu Apr 13 09:14:30 2006
Some help in 2006
# Feb 26 2007 at 2:50 AM Rating: Decent
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could you let someone CHARM pandos so that you can hand him muffins?
RE: Some help in 2006
# Jun 14 2006 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Have you ever thought about using Rogue goblin shroud? I recently hunted PoG with my beastlord killing her faction, and was able to turn in muffins to Pandos Flintside just by getting into a rogue shroud and using the skill sneak and handing in muffins from behind, i'm getting the faction messages and experience messages like normal. Just thought this might help you correct your faction prob some, GL with epic.
P.S. you can Buy muffins from Gern Tassel at loc -210, -375 in the new West Freeport and Pandos Flintside is at loc 100, -610.

*Update* finally took my Max KOS Beastlord and made her Max Ally with Faydarks Champions, Clerics of Tunare, and Soldiers of Tunare doing this faction quest, took exactly 4000 muffins turned in to get there and rougly 2 hrs or constant clicking but was able to fix most the dmg I did while playing in PoGrowth. =P

Edited, Fri Jun 23 10:17:06 2006
RE: Some help in 2006
# Aug 28 2006 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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They must have nerfed faction earned in shroud since this post, because I did it today as a goblin rogue. Handed in 4000 muffins, maxed all the faction hits. When I removed the shroud and went to Felwithe, my factions DID NOT MOVE.

Long story short, you cannot earn this faction shrouded.
RE: Some help in 2006
# Feb 10 2007 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd like to quickly add that illusion potions sometimes help tremendously. Not sure what race pandos likes the most, but human, dwarven, or high elf would be a good guess. The potions are kinda expensive, but if there's no one to wolf form you, this might be the only other option.

The idea is, since wolf form or shrouds may be a kind of indifferent faction, some races may like their own kind much more than an indifferent/neutral creature - this is how I compensate for *really* bad deity / class faction.

That was how my ogre sk fixed his rivervale faction - halfling potions - then did the faction quests in the area.

Just my 2 cents.
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RE: Some help in 2006
# Sep 05 2006 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Not sure if they nerfed shourd Faction, but reason you might still be kos in Felwithe after doing the muffin quest in Feeport is Felwithe npc's have different factions. The factions that i know of in the zone are: Anti-Mage, Merchants of Felwithe, Clerics of Tunare (in the cleric guild of course), Faydarks Champions, Keepers of the Art, King Tearis Thex. I don't know what race, class or diety you are but you might have had bad faction with one of the other factions you didn't raise by doing the muffin quest. But I will try to raise another KoS toon in Shroud form to see if it work or if it has been nerfed and will edit my findings, but the factions you get from muffins quest should allow you to enter Kelethin not Felwithe if you are an evil race/class/diety or just killed too many of the wrong mobs.

*EDIT* Went to Kelethin with my Bst and found out I'm Apprehensive to all the guards and merhcants and the warrior GM but KoS to Druid and Ranger GM's and dubious to their spell merchants. I then went into Felwithe and the Cleric GM and Pally GM were KoS as well but the mage, enc and wizzy GM's were apprehensive to me same with the merchants.

Edited, Sep 18th 2006 at 7:40am EDT by SpiffyD
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I can vouch from experience that factions incurred while shrouded to not affect your main char. I turned in close to 2K muffins to this guy shrouded as a rogue. Got to dubious while shrouded. I unshrouded and returned to check the faction and was at scowling still. Previous owner of this 66 Shammy took him on a PoG raid or 2... So Clerics of Tunare and Soldiers of Tunare are bottomed out. I managed to get Ally status with the Faydarks Champions and am gonna try to do the same with King Tearis Thex Faction in the hope that maybe I can offset the bad with a couple of good and maybe I'll be able to do the muffin quest then to fix the other 2. The list of mobs to fixt CoT faction is kinda short but is pretty much mostly named NPC's. Anyone have any idea how much of a faction adjustment is given by taking any of them out?
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# Apr 10 2006 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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As a 51 druid ready to start my epic, I feared that Telin would ignore me. He gave me the standard "Fix your faction" message that I had been dreading.

For you see, I am KoS in freeport. As a Human Druid on the MAC server (where Hero Bracer hasn't been nerfed), I leveled from 37 to 50 doing Hero Bracer.

After reading all the posts and strategies, I went to see what I could do. I put on invis and slipped past the guards...

It didnt take long to find the inn. First building I found. It was my first time in freeport. Anyway, I go up stairs and see that he's green. I make sure I'm out of aggro range of everything else, and click off invis to find...

HE'S INDIFFERENT, while EVERYONE ELSE is KoS.

So I commence with the muffins... About half a backpack to Amiable, and I'm still going at 2 backpacks. Update later.

[UPDATE] It took exactly 2 and a half backpacks of muffins to go from Indifferent to Warmly, but I did it. I'm now gathering my guildies to go do the amulet turn in and fight the SK.

Edited, Mon Apr 10 17:48:03 2006
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# Mar 04 2006 at 10:50 AM Rating: Decent
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loc 100 -613 (-89) Hogcallers inn directly to the right as you go in. Pandos Flintside that is.

Edited, Sat Mar 4 09:57:20 2006
Loc and Dialog
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Pincia Brownloe - loc -276, -698, -23
Pandos Flintside - loc -204, -498, -10
Psndos Flintside says 'Greetings! Please move along. I am not paid to converse with strangers... unless of course you have a muffin or two..?

I handed him 4 muffins (unstacked)

Pandos Flintside says 'Mmmm. This smells delicious. Oh great!! No milk!! Don't you have any sense?! Just tell me the name of the bakery and I will run and get it myself. I am sure Lady Shae will be safe.'

Your faction standing with Faydarks Champions got better.
Your faction standing with King Tearis Thex got better.
Your faction standing with Clerics of Tunare got better.
Your faction standing with Soldiers of Tunare got better.
Your faction standing with Crushbone Orcs got worse.
You gain experience!!

Went from aimable to warmly with 700 muffins.

Edited, Sat Feb 11 14:46:07 2006
Updated??? How???
# Nov 10 2005 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I just love when they say a Quest has been updated in the news but no info as to how , it just redirects you to the original link...Please someone go do the quest before I get my DE Chanter killed...lol
this still work?
# Aug 14 2005 at 4:43 AM Rating: Default
I gave him 1 muffin, he returned it

I gave him a muffin in every way possible and he returned it. If you try to give him more than 1 per trade slot you get the "You cannot give stacks of items to NPC's" message. And yes, giving him stacks of muffins just gets you the same message. so the most i could get out of this was that he will only accept 1 muffin, per trade slot (you get 4 trade slots), but he just returns it.

this leads me to believe that I need faction to turn these in too? Hes KoS to me, but i just pacify him and able to turn it, just to get it returned
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Can't find Pandos in west freeport... any help?
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"This is an excellent way to build up faction with several groups. Find Pandos Flintside, a dwarf in the Hogcaller's Inn."

RE: where is pandos?
# Sep 06 2005 at 6:33 AM Rating: Decent
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In the Inn, upstairs standing in the hall outside Lady Shae's room. -192,-495
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I did this quest to raise my faction to start my epic. Raised from indiferent to amilble (one lvl) and was able to start no prob. Took several hundred muffins to raise but remember that you can turn in 4 stacks at a time(80 muffins), so it don't take long.
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# Dec 27 2004 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
If you are a halfling ranger then amiable is not high enough. You have to turn in about 900 muffins and get up to Ally faction so you can start the quest. I just tried it with amiable faction and was not able to get the quest.
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Sorry that is no longer how quest handins work. Handing in a stack is treated the exact same way as handing in 1 is. The most muffin's you can hand in at one time and get a faction up for each is 4. Otherwise you've wasted items.
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# Sep 02 2004 at 12:12 AM Rating: Decent
Just want to let the iskar monks know that phantom Zephyr also works. If he says he is busy use that discipline on him then turn them in.
#hizerthanu, Posted: Aug 15 2004 at 8:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) haflins suck y not be a ranger woodelf u got good fraction
i figured it out
# Jul 07 2004 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I am a wood elf ranger (tunare) and you must be 46 and must have given Pandos muffins untell it says Faction cannot get any better. Now Telin will give ya the Note in BW for ranger quest
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guide to doing this if you have sneak
# Jun 22 2004 at 4:59 AM Rating: Good
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65 bst kos after having hleped kill tunare in PoG. while in hate i dropped a seoc which is wanted to mq with my ranger for his epic. obviously rangers arent mad keen on me so i looked into doing the muffin quest.

its been mentioned that you can use harmony or if a sneak class you can sneak behind and have someone else cast invis on you before the turn in each and every time etc.

i opted for the invis option but i thought of a better way of doing it than that. i have two accounts so on the other account i quickly levelled a bard to 19 for invis song (thank you paludal caverns). if you dont have a 2nd account ask a guild bard or something when they are next going out to just give you a hand.

basically its simple. group with the bard. start sneaking. have the bard play invis song. stand behind pandos and turn in muffins to your hearts content. doing it this way invis doesnt drop as it keeps being refreshed so no need to recast it everytime for each individual trade.

oh well back to handing in muffins. 24 stacks and still kos :) on the bright side with this method its only taken me 30 mins to do the 24 stacks so far.

for classes without sneak.............bleh dunno sorry :)

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RE: guide to doing this if you have sneak
# Jun 22 2004 at 5:49 AM Rating: Decent
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ok update....

after 57 stacks = threatening

after 67 stacks = dubious

now i realise that this method could more than likely be used for any non see invis handin in the game. probably even the MQ of the seoc itself. however i was unwilling to risk the seoc on it **** up, whereas i will quite happily take the risk over a 7cp muffin :)

well i have some muffins left im gonna hand in what i have and maybe get another faction level or two. /shrug might as well as im here.

hope this helps some of you

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From amiably to Ally
# May 18 2004 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Took about 900 muffins or so
KOS to all
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My wizard was super-KOS from lots and lots of POG raids. I con'd KOS (scowls) to Pandos. Improved Invis didnt work, as expected. I was told that turning muffins in to a charmed NPC wont give you the faction, so I didnt try that.

Harmony (Low level Druid one) seemed like it would work, he didnt attack me, but after the I did the trade, he said "I will do nothing to help someone like you". Pshaw.

Killed orcs for hours in Crushbone, got bored with that, plus there were people actually XP'n there, so i tried to find a diff way.

Someone told me that you need to be non-KOS on at least one of Pandos's factions, so I decided to unhoark my Champions of Fawyder faction. I did the Batwing quest. http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/faction.html?faction=68
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=89

I had 6 backpacks and filled up with batwings. Had to do that three times before the Ranger GM in gfay was nonKOS.

Back to Pandos. Tried to harmony again, and this time he let me trade muffins with him and gave me the faction hits.

Still working on the piles of Muffins. But the key (for me) was the batwing quest first, then Harmony.
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# Jan 05 2004 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I, for some reason, must do this quest so darkforest will give me the quest. I am a wood elf ranger at ally faction with the muffin eating dwarf, to start with, and indiferent to darkforest. Is there any specific reason why I must raise these factions even though I am amible to clerics and paladins, just tired of handing in muffins. I am 30 stacks in at single hand ins and still not ally with pallies, king or clerics. Any insight would be grand!
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RE: Why?
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Hi - I'm a Halfling Ranger, and also conned indifferent to Telin (he wouldn't have anything to do with me.)

A friend suggested that I go to Greater Faydark and/or Crushbone and kill orcs, and I did.

After about 200 of the blue buggers (I also turned their scalps in to Captain Ashlan in Highpass Hold, and their belts in to the Dwarf in Kaladim South), I conned amiable to Telin, and he gave me my epic quest. Took about 3 hours, total.

Hope this helps. :)
Quest update
# Oct 19 2003 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Giving Pandos 4 stacks of 4 muffins, as has been noted, is old advice. However, now, it will appear to work.

The quest has been changed so that 1 muffin = 1 set of faction hits. Give him 4 muffins unstacked, and you will get 4 faction hits.

I turned in 1 muffin. I got a faction hit. Turned in 2 (unstacked), got two faction hits. Turned in 4, got 4 hits. Just for fun, I turned in a single stack of 4 muffins, and only got 1 hit.

As of the date this is posted, this should be accurate, on Xegony server at least (no reason why it shouldn't be the same elsewhere)
RE: Quest update
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Right.. At one time you could turn in stacks (up to 4 items per stack) and get uber factions, etc. But now when you stack any item, it only counts that item as one..... Either way..atleast you can turn in 4 unstacked muffins for 4 faction hits.
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Aye, I tried this just for fun to see how many muffins I needed to turn in to rais my faction. I was already amiably. I turned in like five stacks in, handed in 4 at a time, and only went one up to kindly. Don't get any exp either at lvl 22.
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# Sep 24 2003 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I am a Troll SK level 52 and it looks like I can't do this alone. I can hide so if the NPC does not immediately attack me I can hand in an item, hide, con iddif, click and that will work. I tried FD on this guy and he gave a I'm busy(or something like that) message. Even if I could sneak he stands with his back to a wall so I'd have to pull him out first. Looks like I'll have to try the Druid harmony method posted here.
Not sure why I actually would need these factions, but I like to beat the game I guess.
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RE: Evil Characters
# Dec 04 2003 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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You have two choices here. Either get a wolf form which will at least nullify the faction you have from being a troll, but not from being an SK; OR you could get an enchanter to charm Pandos so you could do the handin. Either way, it's probably easiest if you pull the little guy to a safe area before you start.
RE: Evil Characters
# Dec 04 2003 at 8:54 AM Rating: Default
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the only way you could do it is if you FD behind him, then sneak, and then stand up and you can be indiff and start handing, thats how i always do it on my ikky monk, who is max or ally to every good city
Raising Clerics of Tunare faction
# Sep 23 2003 at 12:06 PM Rating: Default
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I took my High Elf cleric to the Planes of Growth when it first came out with the now-predictable result of becoming KoS in my home town of Felwithe. Once I became KoS, I figured what the hey, and grouped there enough to become max KoS to Clerics of Tunare, Faydark's Champions, Soldiers of Tunare and Servants of Tunare.

I have successfully raised my Clerics of Tunare faction from max KoS to amiable. It took ages but it can be done. Here's how:

Go to Lesser Faydark and find the Dark Elf camp on the zone wall. Kill the Priestess (light blue to a 65) and the two Teir'Dal Prophets (green to a 65) -- only those three in that camp will raise your Clerics of Tunare faction. Kill the others if you want to or are bored, I sure did often enough. Oh and do keep your eyes open for the Pained Unicorn in LFay, since you are now KoS to that as well (pesky Soldiers of Tunare faction).

Allakhazam's lists one other mob in the game you can kill to raise Clerics of Tunare faction, but I never bothered with her since she is in Najena and is only one mob.

The DEs take about an hour to repop, so in the meantime, run to Crushbone and assist all the low levels killing there, so you can raise your Champions of Faydark faction. This will take a long time since they are all so low level but hey, there's lots of them and they just keep coming.

I have worked on this for about 2 months, killing the DEs, killing or PL-ing in Crushbone. Sunday I got to indifferent with my cleric guildmaster, so now I am doing the bone quest as well as still killing the DEs.

My plan (hope) is that by maxing out the Clerics of Tunare, the Faydark Champions and King Tearis Thex factions, I will be able to do the muffin quest with Pandos. As of Sunday, he was still scowling, ready to attack me -- I've maxed out King Tearis, am amiable to Clerics of Tunare, warmly to Faydark's Champions and alas, deeply KoS to Servants of Tunare.

If maxing out those three factions doesn't work for me, then my final step will be to kill the Mature Arboreans and the Arborean Saplings -- those are the only two mobs I can kill that will raise the Soldiers of Tunare faction. They are very low level, and have no static spawn point so that would really be a long painful process.

BTW, Allakhazam's is incorrect, killing the Arborean Sproutings does not increase your Soldiers of Tunare faction, in fact you get no faction hit of any kind.

I will say to those of you who howl that it serves us right for messing up our faction in PoG that as far as I know, this is the ONLY set of factions impossible to fix -- I can never ever repair my Servants of Tunare faction. I am unaware of any other faction situation like that in the game. And we sure didn't know that when Velious first came out.

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Now Amiable to the Clerics of Tunare
The Real Story
# Jul 08 2003 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Though no one has any reason to believe me over anyone else posting here, this is how I just successfully went from KOS to dubious (I'll finish getting to warm or ally tomorrow):
Somehow some spawns of Pandos can see invisible. This, I believe, is the cause of so much consternation. He sometimes spawns as the seeing invisible version, or gains that ability from an NPC caster, or something. What, naturally, you want is the non-see invisible version. Since, very likely, your faction is already bottomed out, go ahead and whack the one who sees through your invisibility (or get a handy evil friend to do it). Wait for the respawn (doesn't take long), and see if this one sees invisible, too. If so, whack him again. We managed a non-see invisible version on the first kill, so I am not sure if he is the default type, with the see invisible coming later, or if he can spawn with that ability. Go invisible and con him, if you're indifferent, he's not seeing invisible, get behind him, then sneak, then click off your invisibility and start to load him up with muffins. It took me about 100 stacks to get from bottom-out KoS to Dubious, maybe more.

So again...Pandos seemingly can have a seeing invis version and a non-see invis version, or somehow he gains that ability after spawning.
RE: The Real Story - TOOK ME 3 DAYS OF GAME PLAY
# Sep 22 2003 at 2:29 AM Rating: Default
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The Real Story - difinitive solution;

DIFINNITIVE ANSWER FOR FACTION

Ok guys ive read so much on this and i would like to add my experience.

1) i went on a raid to Plane of Growth, = kos in felwith by elle the pure etc result many people dont like me now and want to kill me...

2) went to see Padndos Flintside and was kos to him too.

- you need to kill orcs in crushbone, dont just AE nuke you will only get ONE FACTION up, so you need to kill them one by one,

- choose a low lvl AE so that they have little hp and go round hitting them. If you kill divin, you will feel satisfied but it will not help on faction. Kill Empror crush that seems to work too.

- also kill the slavers they give a key and free the slaves in crush you get two faction ups for killing one mob, if you free a high elf you get faction of king therix cleric of tunare and others,

if you free wood elfs it will not help with your faction problem with the muffin eater which is Padndos Flintside

NOW THEN on to Pandos Flintside in West Freeport, you will be kos to him.

- he cannot see invis.
- if he HAS BEEN charmed, then he will be able to see invis, so that is why some times he can see invis, but he should not normally be able to do so.
- dont do it in wolf form as his lady friend will come out and hate you.
- you need to be at least dubious to him , if your "ready to attach" then get to crush and kill about 200 orcs. that should do it.
- if you have improved invis, when you hand him the muffins your improved invis will not drop.
improved invis is = wiz spell

NOW 4 STACKS of 4

- what ive read seems like bull **** seems that after a patch it removed the 4 stacks of 4 something to get 4 time the faction.

- give hime one muffin, then another muffin , a 3rd and a 4th do not stack them...
you do this till he loves you.

IT WILL TAKE TIME BUT REMEMBER YOURTHERE TO GET YOUR FACTION UP SO BE PATIENT, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE OR AT LEASTED CHECKED UP ON PLANE OF GROWTH .... YOU DID IT.. SO SUCK IT UP AND GIVE HIM MUFFINS.

remember he might love you but your faction with Clerics of Tunare laggs behind. how can you check

- get into felwith and be invis. target ella and run as iF your gonna Zone into the south felwith, just at the zone line, click off invis and con elle, so if she goes crazy, your at the zone line and anyway your in the tunnel its like one second to zone.

- dont forget to reinvis before you run out to greater felwith as ella might go crazy on you. so think on and BE smart. kos = kos no matter what you think might be nice, if your kos and your in her area or even sit to med, she will (like any other mob you are kos to ) go straiGHT for you...

PS dont do a raid in pLANE OFGROWTH if you want YOUR FACTION TO REMAIN HIGH.... or if your in a raid dont do anything whil the others are fighting,

/sob.

Danleaf Envocatum (took 3 years and im still lvl 62)


PPS I AM NOW ALLY TO THEM ALL AND THAT KING TREIXS IS MY BEST FREIND

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RE: The Real Story - TOOK ME 3 DAYS OF GAME PLAY
# Sep 22 2003 at 4:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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You might want to point out that killing those orcs will quickly drive one to KoS with dark elf warriors.

Not that goodly races have to worry about it, but to warn those dark races trying to faction up with high elves.. it's a bad route. ;)
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RE: The Real Story - TOOK ME 3 DAYS OF GAME PLAY
# Sep 22 2003 at 2:28 AM Rating: Default
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The Real Story - difinitive solution;

DIFINNITIVE ANSWER FOR FACTION

Ok guys ive read so much on this and i would like to add my experience.

1) i went on a raid to Plane of Growth, = kos in felwith by elle the pure etc result many people dont like me now and want to kill me...

2) went to see Padndos Flintside and was kos to him too.

- you need to kill orcs in crushbone, dont just AE nuke you will only get ONE FACTION up, so you need to kill them one by one,

- choose a low lvl AE so that they have little hp and go round hitting them. If you kill divin, you will feel satisfied but it will not help on faction. Kill Empror crush that seems to work too.

- also kill the slavers they give a key and free the slaves in crush you get two faction ups for killing one mob, if you free a high elf you get faction of king therix cleric of tunare and others,

if you free wood elfs it will not help with your faction problem with the muffin eater which is Padndos Flintside

NOW THEN on to Pandos Flintside in West Freeport, you will be kos to him.

- he cannot see invis.
- if he HAS BEEN charmed, then he will be able to see invis, so that is why some times he can see invis, but he should not normally be able to do so.
- dont do it in wolf form as his lady friend will come out and hate you.
- you need to be at least dubious to him , if your "ready to attach" then get to crush and kill about 200 orcs. that should do it.
- if you have improved invis, when you hand him the muffins your improved invis will not drop.
improved invis is = wiz spell

NOW 4 STACKS of 4

- what ive read seems like bull **** seems that after a patch it removed the 4 stacks of 4 something to get 4 time the faction.

- give hime one muffin, then another muffin , a 3rd and a 4th do not stack them...
you do this till he loves you.

IT WILL TAKE TIME BUT REMEMBER YOURTHERE TO GET YOUR FACTION UP SO BE PATIENT, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE OR AT LEASTED CHECKED UP ON PLANE OF GROWTH .... YOU DID IT.. SO SUCK IT UP AND GIVE HIM MUFFINS.

remember he might love you but your faction with Clerics of Tunare laggs behind. how can you check

- get into felwith and be invis. target ella and run as iF your gonna Zone into the south felwith, just at the zone line, click off invis and con elle, so if she goes crazy, your at the zone line and anyway your in the tunnel its like one second to zone.

- dont forget to reinvis before you run out to greater felwith as ella might go crazy on you. so think on and BE smart. kos = kos no matter what you think might be nice, if your kos and your in her area or even sit to med, she will (like any other mob you are kos to ) go straiGHT for you...

PS dont do a raid in pLANE OFGROWTH if you want YOUR FACTION TO REMAIN HIGH.... or if your in a raid dont do anything whil the others are fighting,

/sob.

Danleaf Envocatum (took 3 years and im still lvl 62)


PPS I AM NOW ALLY TO THEM ALL AND THAT KING TREIXS IS MY BEST FREIND

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#selivok, Posted: Sep 22 2003 at 2:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The Real Story - difinitive solution;
RE: The Real Story
# Aug 17 2003 at 3:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's a bug that's been around for years. When you charm a mob and then let the charm go, that mob now sees invisible. It wont be listed on thier buffs list but from then on till you kill them, that particular npc can see invis. Responsible charmers kill off their old pets , but this is a faction mob so thats not so simple. But this is why he sometimes sees and sometimes doesnt. When he does, someone was there before you trying charm.

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RE: The Real Story
# Apr 20 2005 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Not so much that they see invis as it were,
but they now have their hate fixed on you so you can not hide
until hate is removed by atoning, evading/fading or zoning.

And no sense killing a faction giving mob by a faction seeking player,
get the mob to reset so you don't mess up any other factions.
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RE: The Real Story
# Sep 07 2003 at 6:30 PM Rating: Default
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Makes perfect sense to me. Again, the statement holds true, since your faction is already rock-bottom, go ahead and whack the pre-charmed version and get you a fresh one to play with.
Bull%$#!
# Jul 05 2003 at 1:59 PM Rating: Default
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I seriously need some answers. I messed up my faction on a raid at PoG and I thought it would be way easier to get it back up. Someone please give me a straight answer. I am KoS to Pandos and now it doesn't matter what I do, nothing listed below has worked. Now what. I have to get the faction back up to continue my epic. I cleared Crushbone like 4 times to get my faction up with the Faydark Champions. And it did go up but I am still kos to Soldiers of Tunare and Clerics of Tunare. If I keep killing orcs will it get me up enough to feed pandos. Hit me back.

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RE: Bull%$#!
# Jul 16 2003 at 9:21 AM Rating: Default
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Jyle Windshot
# Jun 14 2003 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
So I'm handing in my muffins, trying to fix my Tunare faction, and after about 2hrs of handing in with no problems... Jyle Windshot jumps out of a room and starts beating on me. Anyone else have this problem? Kind of hard to keep them both Harmony'd.

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It is all about faction
# Mar 25 2003 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
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This quest says you gain xp, but my bar didn't move a bit. But, it doesn't matter. It is such easy faction, it isn't even funny. You can find unlimited supplies for muffins and they are cheap. Plus, if you don't want to do the hogcaller's quest, you can just keep stuffing the dwarf with muffins and rack up the faction.
KOS to Pandos
# Mar 23 2003 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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I was KOS to Pandos and everyone involving epic. But, I was able to Invis, go behind Pandos, hit sneak, unclick invis, and did trade with no prolems. Here's my question, I here all this about 4 stacks of 4 you give pandos. Well, I gave him 4 stacks of 4, then 4 individual muffins (1 in each trade box) and still gave me same amount of faction. So why the 4 stacks of 4?? Seems to me you're just wasting money on the same amount of faction. But thats me. Just wondering.....

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RE: KOS to Pandos
# Mar 25 2003 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Because you used to be able to get credit for FOUR faction adjustments for giving Pandos four stacks of four muffins each, and get the faction work done much faster. After a patch not long ago, that was nerfed and now unstacked or stacked muffins (bone chips, orc scalps, etc.) are the same -- one faction hit per four muffin-filled slots in the trade window, whether those slots hold one muffin or an entire stack of 20 muffins.

The end result is the same, but it takes a little longer is all, and for those of us who are KOS to the turn-in NPC or nearby NPCs, that just makes it a little less convenient than it once was.
RE: KOS to Pandos
# Jun 21 2003 at 2:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Seems they may have changed it yet again. I did this the day before yesterday. I was giving them to him 4 at a time unstacked and getting 1 faction hit. A couple other peaople showed up and I saw them getting 4 hits at a time. I gave him a stack of 4 and got a faction hit. So I did 4 stacks of 4 and got 4 hits. Earlier in the day I had tried 1 stack of 4 bone chips in Felwithe and got no faction, turned in 3 more chips unstacked and got a faction hit. Point being, they changed it back for the muffins but probably not any other quests.
Indiff -> Ally = 53
# Feb 20 2003 at 3:04 AM Rating: Good
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Took me 53 stacks of muffins to go from Indifferent to Ally on my halfling ranger. After 64 stacks, ally was still not maxed.
RE: Indiff -> Ally = 53
# Mar 01 2003 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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Took me 42 stacks to go from amiable to kindly on a human druid. My faction is good enough to start epic, just need to get 46 now.
Invis does not seem to work now
# Feb 08 2003 at 7:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, it seems all of these carefully described methods for fixing these factions are useless now if you are KoS. No level or type of invisibility seems to work on him now, so even with harmony on, and invis cast upon you, he will take your muffins, and curse the day you were born. Oh well, I should have worked on this sooner I guess. Oh, and as mentioned previously, charm works to pacify him, but you get no faction hits from the quest then.

Oh, I see reading below that invis hasn't worked since about mid 2002, so it is possible that the quest is no longer possible with scowl faction, period, but may work with higher factions.


Edited, Sat Feb 8 07:14:30 2003
RE: Invis does not seem to work now
# Feb 20 2003 at 10:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I snared him to the zone to East Freeport. Camo'd, returned, and engaged sneak behind him. I then dropped invis and started factioning up with muffins.
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RE: Invis does not seem to work now
# Feb 08 2003 at 12:48 PM Rating: Default
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But have you tried harmonizing Pandos and not bother with the invis? Does that still work?
RE: Invis does not seem to work now
# Feb 11 2003 at 6:18 PM Rating: Default
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You may have missed it in my short post above, but yes, I tried all combinations of Harmony (the low level version) and Invisibility. I did this at Scowls, and the moment I approach the fellow without Harmony on, he starts to attack me, even at 65. With harmony on at max trade range he simply takes the muffins and tells me he'll not deal with beings like me. I'm not sure there are any tricks left to try for a non-sneak class like me.
Idea?
# Feb 20 2003 at 4:01 PM Rating: Good
Why not try getting wolf form, hand him the items and then have invis cast on you while the trade window is still open? I'm not sure what you mean when you say Invis doesn't work. But when you open a trade window the invis effects wear off.

Sorry if I'm totally wrong, but worth a try? Hope it helps.
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RE: Idea?
# Apr 22 2003 at 4:22 AM Rating: Default
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This wont work as of april 2003 patch, as wolf form retains your original faction on mobs now.

Which is good... **** dr00d trains in Unrest.
How it is
# Jan 14 2003 at 1:52 PM Rating: Default
I did this last night, and in 3 hours got from Threatening to max ally. Here's how:

If you are KOS to him, do not waste your time trying to invis, hide, sneak, charm, or killing orcs in CB. Invis will work if you have someone standing there casting it EVERY time you hand him something, but if they are off by even a second, he will attack. Normal charms do NOT work on him. Hide will work until you try to turn in, same with sneak. Crushbone orcs raise ONE faction he is on, but not all three, so you can kill there forever and still be KOS to him.

Here's what DOES work:
Have a druid above level 14 come with you and use Harmony... NOT Harmony of Nature (the so called upgrade to harmony at 45), but the first and original HARMONY. I tried both, only the original worked... He wouldn't attack with the newer one, but I didn't get the faction hits either.

When handing in, DO NOT STACK.. Put the muffins in the window four at a time. He only counts one muffin per stack if you d it that way, so each time you are wasting 19 muffins times the four slots = 76 muffins wasted every time. Doing it that way also makes it take longer because you have to go to the store sooner.

I noticed after going through about 5 stacks this way, I went from threatening to dubious, and didn't have to use harmony anymore. About 15 more stacks, and I went from dubious to apprehensive. Took about 20 stacks to get from apprehensive to indiff. Only took about 10 to get from indiff to amiable. Took 15 stacks to get to warmly, 20 stacks to get to kindly, 30 stacks to get to ally, then another 40 stacks to max it.

Altogether I used 155 stacks to get from upper threatening to max ally. I would imagine scowling to thretening is a high number, like 25 or 30 or so stacks. I would also imagine that going all the way through thretening would be about 20 stacks.

Altogether to go from can't get any worse to max ally should be only 220 stacks TOPS. Remember NOT to hand them in stacked, and it is inexpensive because you will only be paying for four muffins per faction hit. Turning them in stacked, you'll pay for 80 muffins per faction hit.

If anyone disagrees with this method, go try it before you argue with me. I just did this last night, so I know it works.
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RE: How it is
# Jan 16 2003 at 10:48 PM Rating: Decent
Wow I as a 52 druid invis in last night got to him did plain four then tried the 4 stacks of four and got 4 faction hits. I counted i had over 30 hits and i know I can't even carry that many. Maybe there is some other reason. I was indiff to him and became amiable.
RE: How it is
# Jan 21 2003 at 5:08 PM Rating: Decent
Maybe you're right lol Was just posting how it went for me... Will ask around though does sound like something worth looking into
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RE: How it is
# Jan 14 2003 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
I forgot one major detail...

The reason the old harmony works and the new don't is the old is AoE...

Cast it on him from a distance, and then run close and cast it again.

You need the harmony spell to be on you too. This tricks the game into thinking you have good faction with him, not just that he's ghetto mezzed.
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Another option to try
# Jan 13 2003 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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The sisters within Ocean of Tears will give you positive Tunare faction by turning in the pirates earrings. If your high enough to get within the POG and survive there, you will most likely find everything on the Seafury isle blue to light blue to you. The pirates and Gornit often are green. They drop earrings, just run back and forth from the Sea Fury isle to the Sister isle.

I already knew what would happen the moment I helped kill within the POG. It doesn't **** over your Karana faction fortunately, only the Tunare.

Take care all.
What about charming Pandos?
# Sep 21 2002 at 6:03 AM Rating: Default
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I'd like to recover my faction from PoGrowth killing, has anyone tried charming Pandos then handing in muffins?
RE: What about charming Pandos?
# Oct 23 2002 at 2:13 AM Rating: Decent
I need to know if this quest still works. I was charming him tonight for 2 hours and i was getting exp, but not notice of faction changes. i figure i'm close to 800 muffins. Will charm work or do i need to do thie invis thing with a friend?

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RE: What about charming Pandos?
# Nov 21 2002 at 2:23 AM Rating: Decent
Doing quests with charmed NPCs will not raise faction sadly. The rest of the quest will work, but faction will not change. You will either need to use a sneak/hide or FD method, or get a friend to help you with the invis method.
What about charming Pandos?
# Sep 21 2002 at 6:02 AM Rating: Default
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I'd like to recover my faction from PoGrowth killing, has anyone tried charming Pandos then handing in muffins?
#Torhak, Posted: Sep 21 2002 at 6:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'd like to recover my faction from PoGrowth killing, has anyone tried charming Pandos then handing in muffins?
Muffs
# Aug 24 2002 at 1:02 AM Rating: Decent
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ok here how to do this took me a bit to figer this out when your KOS.

First fine a friend that can Inv ya

Fine Pandos Flintside, a dwarf in the Hogcaller's Inn, Go into room next to him, Stand far away as you can to where you can just give him 4 stack of 4 muffs, you will have to open door and hand him the muffs then have some one inv you then hit give, Then repit it. Hand him 4, 4 stacks of muffs and inv then give, This takes about 1000 buffs or so.

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Faction broken?
# Jul 26 2002 at 10:53 AM Rating: Default
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Tried muffin quest today and it did not give faction!! anyone else find it broken
I just did this
# Jul 14 2002 at 10:45 AM Rating: Default
I was Kos and did this you dont need a druid or enchanter. the easy way is this.
grab a bard to sing invisibility song stand back far enough not to aggro him and hand in muffins you can cancil the bard invise and start your trade by the time you have all 4 slots full with 4 muffins each your invise and can hit trade and get the faction.

im a 56 wizard and it took 800 to get to dubious
or about that
RE: I just did this
# Jul 15 2002 at 4:59 AM Rating: Default
he sees invis as of now not sure how long he has
It Works
# Jul 07 2002 at 2:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Within 2 hours (and 5000+ muffins later) my friend who was KOS this afternoon to the Clerics of Tunare went to could not get any better. Just remember to <shift> + click on stacks to make it go faster
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