this is in reply to kanedo ppl dont have high end friends quote... it isnt hard to get the flags lmao an ele geared group can 1 group alot of the stuff.. like tz/vz, TT, hedge, (pally/mag can duo exe trial easy).. think most of us dont want to hear "the casual player cant do this"
well in seeing if someone want to be elly geared you need to do ellys so how in de fook you gonne be the ( 1 elly geared grp if you aint flagged) morons these days i freakin tell ya
Alternate Access: Tower of Solusek Ro
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This quest is unlocked on Progression servers when Omens of War becomes available.
Find Ronar Flametip in the Plane of Tranquility - Location +254.67, -2119.95, -927.41 (in the building to the Plane of Fire). You say, 'Hail, Ronar Flametip' Ronar Flametip says 'Ronar says, 'Greetings travelers! Though the blessing Karana bestowed upon me seems to be waning, I was at least able to portend your arrival here and the role you would play in the [events] I shall soon inform you of.' You say, 'What events?' Ronar Flametip says 'My gift normally allows me to peer into other realms. I have used it many times to protect Norrath from dangerous outside forces. Now, however, I have lost the ability to peer into the planes under the domain of Fennin Ro. I suspect that his son, Solusek, may play a hand in these events, although I know not how. I fear that he has managed to somehow [move the portal] into the Plane of Fire for reasons that are not completely clear to me.' You say, 'Move the portal?' Ronar Flametip says 'Yes, and by doing so he has blocked my sight and access into the plane itself. Yet before I completely lost the ability to see into his realm, I glimpsed a giant stream of mystical fire coming from his tower and shooting upwards into the sky. Once the clouds had parted, another more sinister torrent of magic returned from the sky back to his tower. I believe that Solusek may have an accomplice for whatever he has planned. Though I much prefer subtlety, I fear the time for that has passed. No, you must simply stop Solusek from completing his plans and you must discover who his accomplice is lest he manages to continue their vile plans. Will you [fulfill the call of destiny]?' You say, 'I will fulfill the call of destiny' Ronar Flametip says 'Before you can gain access to Solusek's tower, you will need an enchantment to protect you from the searing heat that is contained within its walls. On my own I do not have the ability to grant such protection but I can still aid thee nonetheless. In the frigid landscapes of the Western Wastes there is a particularly powerful [efreeti] that wanders a path that only the mad would follow.' You say, 'What efreeti?' Ronar Flametip says 'Banished by his own kind for cruelty not even they could tolerate, he roams the wasteland forever searching for the entrance back to his home, an entrance forever denied to him. You must destroy this abomination and bring me the fiery heart that burns inside of him. Only then will you be able to survive the blistering environment in Solusek Ro's tower. Once inside though, you will need to gain access to his inner sanctum by getting his sanctum key. I know little of this but always be on the lookout for help for you never know when the gods may choose to aid you. Once you have destroyed Solusek, return to me with any information you find.' Find and kill the Banished Efreeti in the Western Wastes. He spawns on the western coast and wanders the zone. He is a curiously simple mob: Max hit 651, average 385; fully slowable, rootable, snareable, doesn't summon). Loot the Banished Efreeti Heart and give it to Ronar. Ronar Flametip says 'Very good _____. With this I can create an enchantment powerful enough to protect you from the searing heat within Solusek's Tower.' Ronar plunges the heart into the nearby pool of water and begins to chant in a low monotonous tone. The water around his claw begins to boil and swirl faster and faster as his chanting grows louder till he finally pulls out his now-empty claw. He gently touches your forehead and though you hear your flesh sizzle as he inscribes a rune upon it, you feel nothing. 'Now you may freely enter Solusek's Tower and complete your task.' You now have access to the Tower of Solusek Ro. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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You are going to need alot higher level gear then EP to single group TZ he isn't easy. VZ is very easy and could be duoed with 2 good EP people probably. Harder to get to him then to kill him :)
Seems like Sol Ro chamber alt access is broken, has anyone been able to get it to work? Even after farming all three parts, still can't zone into Chamber. Also, a guildee who killed 5 minis and did alt access to SRT, can't zone into chamber. So seems like getting alt access to SRT means you are not going to be allowed into chamber regardless of how you try to do it.
PS - a post about Sol Ro in the SRT access quest! omg, one post thats actually on topic!
Edited, Sat Jan 22 02:51:47 2005
PS - a post about Sol Ro in the SRT access quest! omg, one post thats actually on topic!
Edited, Sat Jan 22 02:51:47 2005
You need to take your own advice and just be quiet. You and the rest of the uber guilds have had a stranglehold on the EQ economy forever. So they open up one good zone to the rest of us that dont want to be in a high pressure, raid all the time guild. Big freaking deal. You people arent worried about it being fair. Youre worried that now you cant price gouge the casual player that wants one of the items from this zone. Boo hoo. About frigging time Sony did something for the majority of us, instead of the minority uber guild professional eq players. Raiding 3 nights a week is not casual bud. So take a toke, a drink, or whatever you prefer and STFU yourself. Its only a game.
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#REDACTED,
Posted: Jan 20 2005 at 3:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lol who cares sol ro loot is outdated now :)
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I'm in a guild that raids 3 nights a week so we're a casual raiding guild currently in the EP's on our way to time. So all you o, i'm a casual players can all STFU K. People busted their ***** off to get flagged for these zones just so it can be opened up to people by killing one mob. Sorry that's just not fair.
If you actually took time to PLAY THE GAME you'd realize that MPG LOOT IS NO DROP. But keep whining how you can't get loot handed out to you like candy. I have a set of friend that were are in a social guild I used to be in when I started out. They are still a social guild. No where near EP raiding but you know what. The are exping in RCoD, MPG, and recently they've been doing Riffseekers. It's all in what you put into the game. Sorry this game isn't orintated to someone that wants to log on for an hour or 2 to get phat lewtz.
Actually no one wants to do LDoN anymore cause everyone is doing OoW to get better one groupable items and augs. And please don't cry to me that you need to be uber to one group these mobs. start off with the bloodfields, can get ok stuff there, not your taste? not uber enough for ya? move on to Nobles Causeway, better exp, slightly upgraded gear and can get spell rune drops as well as tier 1 quest drops (which hell I'm currently wearing and I used to be in a time guild b4 I dropped down to the current EP guild to be with RL wife). Still not good? move to Ruined City of Dranik, Now you're getting into some pretty decent gear/augs and ok exp as well as all runes drops from 66-70 (minus ancient drops) Once done farming there you're easily geared up to move to Wall of Slaughter for better exp and gear/augs. After that's done move to MPG farm away great gear especially the leg drops and augs, spell runes 66-70's. If after all that farming on your "casual playing times" you've finally hit 69 and got decent gear (save tanks and clr's for hp's/ac and mana reason) Welcome to Riffseekers. Great exp, excellent drops for all slots and best one groupable augs in game. Ya it takes time, ya it doesn't happen over night but omfg it's possible to be EP equivielnt geared by just doing exp crap so stop ******** already. If you want to be uber in an hour go find a geared toon on ebay already and stfu plz
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The only way i'm going to see any sweet gear.. is buy paying rediculous plat in the bazaar from some uber guildies trash gear from MPG
If you actually took time to PLAY THE GAME you'd realize that MPG LOOT IS NO DROP. But keep whining how you can't get loot handed out to you like candy. I have a set of friend that were are in a social guild I used to be in when I started out. They are still a social guild. No where near EP raiding but you know what. The are exping in RCoD, MPG, and recently they've been doing Riffseekers. It's all in what you put into the game. Sorry this game isn't orintated to someone that wants to log on for an hour or 2 to get phat lewtz.
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I've been busting my butt to try and get a LDoN group on a consistent bassis.. because i need 400 points for my last and best DOT spell.. but I cant find a LDoN group anymore.. because of game attrition since eq2 .. and the fact that every other player has already gotten all they want out of LDOn months ago.. and no longer want to do it.
Actually no one wants to do LDoN anymore cause everyone is doing OoW to get better one groupable items and augs. And please don't cry to me that you need to be uber to one group these mobs. start off with the bloodfields, can get ok stuff there, not your taste? not uber enough for ya? move on to Nobles Causeway, better exp, slightly upgraded gear and can get spell rune drops as well as tier 1 quest drops (which hell I'm currently wearing and I used to be in a time guild b4 I dropped down to the current EP guild to be with RL wife). Still not good? move to Ruined City of Dranik, Now you're getting into some pretty decent gear/augs and ok exp as well as all runes drops from 66-70 (minus ancient drops) Once done farming there you're easily geared up to move to Wall of Slaughter for better exp and gear/augs. After that's done move to MPG farm away great gear especially the leg drops and augs, spell runes 66-70's. If after all that farming on your "casual playing times" you've finally hit 69 and got decent gear (save tanks and clr's for hp's/ac and mana reason) Welcome to Riffseekers. Great exp, excellent drops for all slots and best one groupable augs in game. Ya it takes time, ya it doesn't happen over night but omfg it's possible to be EP equivielnt geared by just doing exp crap so stop ******** already. If you want to be uber in an hour go find a geared toon on ebay already and stfu plz
Scholar
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If you actually took time to PLAY THE GAME you'd realize that MPG LOOT IS NO DROP.
That's funny, 'Mr Know-It-All Uber', because I pass or sell those caster belts all the time. Not everything is no-drop. Maybe you should take your *** away from the Odi camp sometime.
So, because you raid and play more than I do, the content I paid for when I bought PoP two years ago should never become available to me, a non-raider, even when 4 more expansions have come out and I can buy player crafted weapons with the same ratio as a Plane of Earth mini-boss drop? (Velium Gemmed 1handers = same ratio as Whip of the Earthcrafter).
These PoP zones they are opening up are empty but for raiders back flagging or just getting around to it, because the most of the people who have flagged to these zones are in Discord or Omens flagging there or doing people's epic 1.5/2.0.
It's still fairly out of reach for me to get this Sol Ro flag because every time me and my guildies head down there to kill the Efreeti, which has a one hour respawn, the list is long and as a two-hours-if-I'm-lucky-a-night player I can't wait.
These PoP zones they are opening up are empty but for raiders back flagging or just getting around to it, because the most of the people who have flagged to these zones are in Discord or Omens flagging there or doing people's epic 1.5/2.0.
It's still fairly out of reach for me to get this Sol Ro flag because every time me and my guildies head down there to kill the Efreeti, which has a one hour respawn, the list is long and as a two-hours-if-I'm-lucky-a-night player I can't wait.
Whip doesn't drop from a mini-boss. Just a rare named from one of a few traps in PoE. One of which is right outside the ZI.
I don't have a problem with SoE opening up zones like SRT for XP. The zone is terribly underutilized. You're not going to get rich off the ornate drops. The XP isn't even that great. You'll see mid-level guild peeps all excited to see a zone they haven't before - which is cool, don't get me wrong. But before long they'll realize you can get better XP and drops elsewhere, and though zones like BoT and HoH don't give as good XP as SRT, groups there are easier to find. It's just not going to make that much of a difference.
That being said, I do have a problem with how they implemented this "quest". They might as well have just had the heart be a ground spawn on a one hour timer. Make it spawn randomly along the western coast. There, it's now just as hard as killing the gimp mob.
I don't have a problem with SoE opening up zones like SRT for XP. The zone is terribly underutilized. You're not going to get rich off the ornate drops. The XP isn't even that great. You'll see mid-level guild peeps all excited to see a zone they haven't before - which is cool, don't get me wrong. But before long they'll realize you can get better XP and drops elsewhere, and though zones like BoT and HoH don't give as good XP as SRT, groups there are easier to find. It's just not going to make that much of a difference.
That being said, I do have a problem with how they implemented this "quest". They might as well have just had the heart be a ground spawn on a one hour timer. Make it spawn randomly along the western coast. There, it's now just as hard as killing the gimp mob.
#Brakiss,
Posted: Jan 28 2005 at 4:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Twinkel, you are a moron, enough said, it makes me sad 8(
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Twinkel is a moron why??
He stated what he saw as how it is, and guess what he is right. You get out what you put in. Casual player = regular zones & casual gear, hardcore player = best zones & gear. Why should a casual player get the same access and gear that someone who raids 6 times a week get? Cause they whine about no access? Hey guess what, seems whining works cause now you can get easy access to at least one place.
For OoW zones you dont even need flags though some are lvl restricted, so guess what that means all you need to do is get a good group and go get some uber loots. It's not that hard and alot easier then whining about how unfair it all is to YOU. Work harder get more, lol what do you want eq welfare?
I was a more casual player for the first 5 years I played EQ, and just recently I've joined a great raiding guild. Hell yeah it takes alot more effort and time then casual playing does but the end result is that I get to explore many new places and get better gear then I ever expected to get. When I was playing more casual, I had more free time but I didn't run around ******** cause I couldn't do this or that...so grow the **** up and earn it if you want better stuff!!!
lmao
Shakal
He stated what he saw as how it is, and guess what he is right. You get out what you put in. Casual player = regular zones & casual gear, hardcore player = best zones & gear. Why should a casual player get the same access and gear that someone who raids 6 times a week get? Cause they whine about no access? Hey guess what, seems whining works cause now you can get easy access to at least one place.
For OoW zones you dont even need flags though some are lvl restricted, so guess what that means all you need to do is get a good group and go get some uber loots. It's not that hard and alot easier then whining about how unfair it all is to YOU. Work harder get more, lol what do you want eq welfare?
I was a more casual player for the first 5 years I played EQ, and just recently I've joined a great raiding guild. Hell yeah it takes alot more effort and time then casual playing does but the end result is that I get to explore many new places and get better gear then I ever expected to get. When I was playing more casual, I had more free time but I didn't run around ******** cause I couldn't do this or that...so grow the **** up and earn it if you want better stuff!!!
lmao
Shakal
Perhaps it was because twinkel posted with such a bad attitude. The wholse "stfu" stuff is not going to come off well, even if he has a point. In addition, he's factually wrong on some points. For example, some MPG loot is not no drop.
Plus, he got all worked up about access to Sol ro tower being opened up. Big deal. Its not like Sol ro tower is uber loot central these days. Even after the flag quest, its unusual to see even one group in the zone. Occasionally there will be a raid, otherwise the zone is as empty as plane of torment.
I was a casual for several years. Like you I am in a Qvic flagged guild now. Let me point out that casual guilds are not ALL 2 hour a week players. they just don't raid as much. I see no reason to hold back access to mid tier zones that are 3 or 4 expansions old. Its not like they opened up plane of time! Its basically the same level zone as tactics, it just had a tougher flagging sequence.
Plus, he got all worked up about access to Sol ro tower being opened up. Big deal. Its not like Sol ro tower is uber loot central these days. Even after the flag quest, its unusual to see even one group in the zone. Occasionally there will be a raid, otherwise the zone is as empty as plane of torment.
I was a casual for several years. Like you I am in a Qvic flagged guild now. Let me point out that casual guilds are not ALL 2 hour a week players. they just don't raid as much. I see no reason to hold back access to mid tier zones that are 3 or 4 expansions old. Its not like they opened up plane of time! Its basically the same level zone as tactics, it just had a tougher flagging sequence.
I'm in a family guild, that don't have the resources to get to SRT without restructuring the guild completely. Most the posts I read on this thread concerning this seems to be from player's in raiding guild, argueing if it's a bad thing or a good thing. To be honest I could care less if I can go there or not. I didn't expect to be able to, since it's there now, why not? To this day, after the release of GOD, and OOW, and now DON, I still see people complaining about someone being able to get into a POP Zone, that they couldn't when they were earning flags, etc. to do so. Most the people I know, (Friends in these Raid guilds) Told me hurry up and get it, it's gonna be nerfed! This tells me there is a HUGE Misconception about family type guilds, (Guild's that don't raid uber zones to progress into high end game content) We don't do that for a reason. Is it because we are lazy? Well, maybe... I will let anyone have whatever feeling they want about it, but make no mistake, I am where I want to be. IF I wanted a High End guild, I would be in one. I have turned down at least 5 possible times I could have joined one of these raid guilds. First time was when friends I had left the guild I am to join another one that started recruiting more level 65's for there guild, being mostly the only requirement, unless of course you already had certain flags. This guild later had it's problems and made a new one, I was again told to come on, Come with us, most of us are EP flagged now, but we have to start over with this new guild, and I didn't leave again. Population decreased, and yet again, this time from the first guild, the new guild, and two other guilds I had friends in, all told me about the plans to do the whole thing over again, This time most have been time flagged. I again did not go. Well, now the merger has happened, and yes, I have been told I could go now, since some of my friends are now officer's in these guild's, they tell me, You know, you could come join this guild now... And I still am staying put.
Does this mean Idon't ever care about seeing time.. Probably would like to, but right now I am just having fun exploring all the content in EQ that I can now. I could have jumped in one of these guilds and spent most my time Raiding, and been flagged for POP, which never really interested me, but I would like to see the zones I haven't for sure... Just in no hurry. I seen from the beginning I have no way of keeping up with SOE far as expansions and content go. So why be in such a hurry, Not like I'm gonna win. I don't compare myself to others, I compare myself to how I do. I'm not one of these people crying cuz I don't have 12k HP and 2600AC, I'll try to tank it anyways. Hey, sometimes I even do good at it. This particular mob don't require a high level friend, you can kite the Effretti with a level 50 druid if you want... It can be tanked by several classes, and it's fun to watch. Think of it as a little humor instead of getting all cranky about a zone you probably don't use anyways. IF your in a good Raid guild, there's nothing there for you anyways.. You should be doing DON content by now, or at least getting the EP armor. In any case you should be way passed the Ornate that is found in this zone. So what if we "Family" Guilds go in and kill all the named, just to say, hey, we could do this if we wanted too... We know the raids that take 4 groups or more, will not get done by us, so it's not like we think we are Uber... Ornate is like OOW drops, that we can already get. I like the little things that come with Ornate though (Haste, Attack, See Invissy), othewise I'm still wearing my Ldon Pants, My Fable'd BP, etc. Ornate has nice AC, but the HP from alot of easy to get OOW armor is better. The effects of the Ornate Is what I like most...
Well, Have a nice day, and when they open up Qvic to us family guild types in two years, I'll chime in again to remind you of this little Efret being such a big deal..LOL.
Does this mean Idon't ever care about seeing time.. Probably would like to, but right now I am just having fun exploring all the content in EQ that I can now. I could have jumped in one of these guilds and spent most my time Raiding, and been flagged for POP, which never really interested me, but I would like to see the zones I haven't for sure... Just in no hurry. I seen from the beginning I have no way of keeping up with SOE far as expansions and content go. So why be in such a hurry, Not like I'm gonna win. I don't compare myself to others, I compare myself to how I do. I'm not one of these people crying cuz I don't have 12k HP and 2600AC, I'll try to tank it anyways. Hey, sometimes I even do good at it. This particular mob don't require a high level friend, you can kite the Effretti with a level 50 druid if you want... It can be tanked by several classes, and it's fun to watch. Think of it as a little humor instead of getting all cranky about a zone you probably don't use anyways. IF your in a good Raid guild, there's nothing there for you anyways.. You should be doing DON content by now, or at least getting the EP armor. In any case you should be way passed the Ornate that is found in this zone. So what if we "Family" Guilds go in and kill all the named, just to say, hey, we could do this if we wanted too... We know the raids that take 4 groups or more, will not get done by us, so it's not like we think we are Uber... Ornate is like OOW drops, that we can already get. I like the little things that come with Ornate though (Haste, Attack, See Invissy), othewise I'm still wearing my Ldon Pants, My Fable'd BP, etc. Ornate has nice AC, but the HP from alot of easy to get OOW armor is better. The effects of the Ornate Is what I like most...
Well, Have a nice day, and when they open up Qvic to us family guild types in two years, I'll chime in again to remind you of this little Efret being such a big deal..LOL.
hehe... being able to get there and being able to survive the mobs there are two different things. ok, so the banished efreeti is a gimp mob... the mobs in Sol Ro Tower most definitely are *not*
most of the PoP zones that ive been in... you need a strong group/raid if ya want to do more than spend time back in the guild lobby summoning your corpse, or waiting for a rez.
Sol Ro is a fun zone to go to from time to time and the loot there is decent... (for those that arent flagged /equipped for higher zones).. most of the time the zone is empty, so why *should* you care? its not like the peeps that are using the new way to get flagged for this zone are interfering with your mobs, etc.
most of the PoP zones that ive been in... you need a strong group/raid if ya want to do more than spend time back in the guild lobby summoning your corpse, or waiting for a rez.
Sol Ro is a fun zone to go to from time to time and the loot there is decent... (for those that arent flagged /equipped for higher zones).. most of the time the zone is empty, so why *should* you care? its not like the peeps that are using the new way to get flagged for this zone are interfering with your mobs, etc.
hehe... being able to get there and being able to survive the mobs there are two different things. ok, so the banished efreeti is a gimp mob... the mobs in Sol Ro Tower most definitely are *not*
most of the PoP zones that ive been in... you need a strong group/raid if ya want to do more than spend time back in the guild lobby summoning your corpse, or waiting for a rez.
Sol Ro is a fun zone to go to from time to time and the loot there is decent... (for those that arent flagged /equipped for higher zones).. most of the time the zone is empty, so why *should* you care? its not like the peeps that are using the new way to get flagged for this zone are interfering with your mobs, etc.
most of the PoP zones that ive been in... you need a strong group/raid if ya want to do more than spend time back in the guild lobby summoning your corpse, or waiting for a rez.
Sol Ro is a fun zone to go to from time to time and the loot there is decent... (for those that arent flagged /equipped for higher zones).. most of the time the zone is empty, so why *should* you care? its not like the peeps that are using the new way to get flagged for this zone are interfering with your mobs, etc.
I doubt they will de-flag Qvic. They already have added an alternate flag method, and reduced the flagging process for KT. IF they ever do reduce the flag for qvic, I suspect it will be something like they did for KT. Perhaps make Uqua the entire flag, like tipt is for KT now.
While that would make getting there much easier, it would not open the zone up.
While that would make getting there much easier, it would not open the zone up.
Personally I think this is great, a nice way to repopulate Tower of Solusek Ro, I always liked this zone, nice drops etc, but few people ever played there. With this quest (most classes can solo the mob) its repopulated more than its ever been before.
Much <3
Much <3
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Has anyone seen anything about the quest you must do for the key to Sol Ro himself?
Ok so my guild on Kane Bayle did all the Sol Ro minis last night..had about 20 new people who did the alterante access quest. Even though they had all 5 minis they still couldn't get into his chamber. Has anyone else had this same problem? I guess it means you have access..but to get into his chamber even after the 5 minis you still have to do Sol Ro access the old way. If anyone has more info on this I would appreciate it.
The text posted at the begining of the quest seems misleading to me.
When I was after Sol Ro himself, and fully chamber flagged, though alt flagged into Sol Ro Tower, I was missing only BoT key of all the PoP flaggings, and that made me a piggie into sol ro chamber.
When I was after Sol Ro himself, and fully chamber flagged, though alt flagged into Sol Ro Tower, I was missing only BoT key of all the PoP flaggings, and that made me a piggie into sol ro chamber.
I would bet those people didn't go through the proper hailings after killing all the minis. I believe it was a drake in the ponds at the entrance to PoFire you need to hail after killing all the mini's. When my guild was going through this, we constantly had people who would say, " SoE is all ****** up, I killed all the mini's and did everything I was suppose to, but still cannot enter the tower." When as a matter of fact, they missed many different hails and after leading them through by the nose on which NPC's to hail, they were able to enter the zone fine.
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99% sure that for sol ro room access u not only need the 5 mini's u need RZTW as well.
To all those whom are ******** and complaining ablut this ruining EQ, and its so unfare ... etc.
"YOU ARE SO DISALLUSIONED ITS ALMOST LAUGHABLE !"
Obviously you have no idea what its like to be a casual gamer... I login 2 to 3 times a week, whenever I have time in my hectic life.. and have fallen so far behind in Planar Progression its not funny.
It is hard enough for a casual gamer to progress in the upper content of EQ as it is.. especially with SONY catering to the ego od UBER guilds.. by coming out with more and more raid orientated expansions every year.
Yeah.. they added the task system in this last one,.... BIG FREAKING WHOOPS.. i can waste 2 to 4 hours doing a crap task and get jack sh*t in return.
I have been playing as much a I can .. for 4 years now.. and am light years away from most of the raiding players in the game as far as gear / AA / etc. Its just imposable for the casual gamer to get anything nice.. or progress in Planar Progression. The only way i'm going to see any sweet gear.. is buy paying rediculous plat in the bazaar from some uber guildies trash gear from MPG ... The gap between casual gamer and hard-core raider is nuts.
Its about time SONY finally woke up and did something to at least give us casual players a place to play and feel like we ae still somewhat in the game.
Because truth be known... I feel so far left behind... it just discourages me.
I've had GoD since the day it came out.. and still have yet to get a single rune for any of my GoD spells... and lets not even start on the fact I won't unlock those higher GoD zones till sometime in 2010.
I've been busting my butt to try and get a LDoN group on a consistent bassis.. because i need 400 points for my last and best DOT spell.. but I cant find a LDoN group anymore.. because of game attrition since eq2 .. and the fact that every other player has already gotten all they want out of LDOn months ago.. and no longer want to do it.
The casual gamer is ignored and swept under the carpet like dirt...
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"YOU ARE SO DISALLUSIONED ITS ALMOST LAUGHABLE !"
Obviously you have no idea what its like to be a casual gamer... I login 2 to 3 times a week, whenever I have time in my hectic life.. and have fallen so far behind in Planar Progression its not funny.
It is hard enough for a casual gamer to progress in the upper content of EQ as it is.. especially with SONY catering to the ego od UBER guilds.. by coming out with more and more raid orientated expansions every year.
Yeah.. they added the task system in this last one,.... BIG FREAKING WHOOPS.. i can waste 2 to 4 hours doing a crap task and get jack sh*t in return.
I have been playing as much a I can .. for 4 years now.. and am light years away from most of the raiding players in the game as far as gear / AA / etc. Its just imposable for the casual gamer to get anything nice.. or progress in Planar Progression. The only way i'm going to see any sweet gear.. is buy paying rediculous plat in the bazaar from some uber guildies trash gear from MPG ... The gap between casual gamer and hard-core raider is nuts.
Its about time SONY finally woke up and did something to at least give us casual players a place to play and feel like we ae still somewhat in the game.
Because truth be known... I feel so far left behind... it just discourages me.
I've had GoD since the day it came out.. and still have yet to get a single rune for any of my GoD spells... and lets not even start on the fact I won't unlock those higher GoD zones till sometime in 2010.
I've been busting my butt to try and get a LDoN group on a consistent bassis.. because i need 400 points for my last and best DOT spell.. but I cant find a LDoN group anymore.. because of game attrition since eq2 .. and the fact that every other player has already gotten all they want out of LDOn months ago.. and no longer want to do it.
The casual gamer is ignored and swept under the carpet like dirt...
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aborianus......I am sorry call this a flame if you like but i worked my *** off to get fully pop flagged... you know when you zone into sol ro with some friends to exp and see someone shout TRAIN TO THE ZONE OUT... it makes you wanna cry lol... (since you prolly dont know there isnt a zone out) or on another note have more time keys drop in a clearing than there are gimps alowed..... Why not give us something for working for our flags if yall get to go to the zones we actually worked for...you play 2 to 3 times a week thats great.... it isnt hard to get the flags lmao an ele geared group can 1 group alot of the stuff.. like tz/vz, TT, hedge, (pally/mag can duo exe trial easy).. think most of us dont want to hear "the casual player cant do this"
Honestly, I have no clue how a casual player can be upset with SOE about the OOW expansion. OOW offers everything that GoD and PoP didn't for the casual player. Drops in NC, RCoD and WoS are pretty close to the quality of VT gear, without needing raids to obtain. Once you gear up there, its off to MPG for even better gear. Along the way you collect augments to add even more stats, and effects to your gear.
Not to mention that OOW offers one groupable quest armor that is a HUGE upgrade to most casual players.
The higher level cap enables you to do things that were previously raids, with one group. BoT towers are one groupable now, and some real sweet gear drops there.
Sure, you don't have the gear of the big raid guilds. But, in contrast, if you COULD get the same gear through easy casual gaming, why would anyone bother to raid. You'd have 10x the number of people competing for the gear available to casuals, because it would be faster and easier than raiding.
I personally, cannot find it in myself to begrudge the raid guilders their gear. Nor do I think they should be too upset about tactics opening up, since the best stuff from tactics is junk compared to the average drop from Uqua or MPG trials.
Don't focus on whether you are "falling behind". If you're a casual gamer, focus on "am I improving my character. Nobles causeway is a real easy zone to start off in. If your gear is as bad as you say, you'll pick up some nice upgrades there. Then move on to WoS or RCoD. LOTS of nice stuff there, and depending on camp, even a 7khp tank can do ok there.
Once you run out of one groupable comtent, in which great non-raid items drop, then come back and let me know if you're still unhappy.
Not to mention that OOW offers one groupable quest armor that is a HUGE upgrade to most casual players.
The higher level cap enables you to do things that were previously raids, with one group. BoT towers are one groupable now, and some real sweet gear drops there.
Sure, you don't have the gear of the big raid guilds. But, in contrast, if you COULD get the same gear through easy casual gaming, why would anyone bother to raid. You'd have 10x the number of people competing for the gear available to casuals, because it would be faster and easier than raiding.
I personally, cannot find it in myself to begrudge the raid guilders their gear. Nor do I think they should be too upset about tactics opening up, since the best stuff from tactics is junk compared to the average drop from Uqua or MPG trials.
Don't focus on whether you are "falling behind". If you're a casual gamer, focus on "am I improving my character. Nobles causeway is a real easy zone to start off in. If your gear is as bad as you say, you'll pick up some nice upgrades there. Then move on to WoS or RCoD. LOTS of nice stuff there, and depending on camp, even a 7khp tank can do ok there.
Once you run out of one groupable comtent, in which great non-raid items drop, then come back and let me know if you're still unhappy.
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1. It's disillusioned
2. I go to college full time, work, and have a ton of other things I do in RL beside... I've only been playing a year and I'm Fire flagged, working on Time atm... you get what you want, enough said. 2-3 times a week is about what I log in for as well... I don't see the problem being with SoE personally.
2. I go to college full time, work, and have a ton of other things I do in RL beside... I've only been playing a year and I'm Fire flagged, working on Time atm... you get what you want, enough said. 2-3 times a week is about what I log in for as well... I don't see the problem being with SoE personally.
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dude, cry me a river... you are surprised that as a casual gamer who logs in every once in a while you aren't geared/aa'ed like a serious raid player? What do you expect? What's the point of playing the game as a dedicated player when someone who logs in once or twice a week has an equivilant character.. They didn't have any advantages over you to begin with, you have played for 4 years it's not like you jumped in at GoD and are trying to catch up midgame you just didn't log in as much and your character is not as good because of that... where is the problem? I am not necessarily against these quests on principle, this particular zone is pretty much obsolete other then twinking out alts with ornate etc. and the fact it's necessary in the progression to higher zones. That said this quest seems WAY to easy, kill 1 mob in WW that from what I seen is prolly not much more powerful then the average trash xp mob in the zone and bam your flagged, definately I think this needs some tweaking.
The only reason i can think of for going to sol ro is the ensure a steady supply of ornate gear. Ornate is not uber these days. The mini dont drop uber gear and will still need a raid to take down. If you can do the mini with a single group then you dont need the items that drop from them. Overall I think this is a good move. The minor guilds need some new zones to do xp in.
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Once granted access, should this show up on your key ring?
Doesn't show up on mine and the seer in PoK got nothing new to say atm... still works quite well though.
I can confirm what Saraban says. Nothing new on my keyring, nor does the seer have anything new to say. Also get no AA from Gram Dunnar.
However, I zone into sol ro tower just fine!
However, I zone into sol ro tower just fine!
I have been playing since Jan of 2001. It took me 14 months to complete my epic and finally have some decent gear. I am sorry if I don't have 5-10 hours a day to dedicate to this game. I love the game and am a very good player (Druid, Shaman and Pally)
It would have taken me over another year to get into Sol Ro and other zones. To say that this is dumbing down the game is ignorance in itself. If you "HARD CORE" players don't like it...oh well. There are more of us than there are of you and the masses are what matters.
If I had the time to do all the stuff before now, I would have. Thanks Sony.....you kept me and alot of us in the game.
It would have taken me over another year to get into Sol Ro and other zones. To say that this is dumbing down the game is ignorance in itself. If you "HARD CORE" players don't like it...oh well. There are more of us than there are of you and the masses are what matters.
If I had the time to do all the stuff before now, I would have. Thanks Sony.....you kept me and alot of us in the game.
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Posted: Jan 01 2005 at 5:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) reading some of the post here it seems like we got some mad peeps out there did you work so hard to get your sol ro flag and now i can go to ww and solo a easyer as hell 65 mob to get me a key and go in with a grp and get some drops that you sorry pp hungry F%#$s was selling for 35to 50 k blow ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just flagged my 46 monk so i can get him an rebb whenever jiva pops. ran my friends druid to ww, tracked it in like 5 seconds, rooted and nuked it dead. easiest quest ever.
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this basically means you could be level 46 and be solro flagged ( in theory) which is BS
The chances of a level 46 getting a group in this zone or soloing something worthwhile is?
Alot of crying over nothing all they really did is give people a alternate zone to go to besides BoT. The level of the person has no merit. A level 46 player with SolRo access means nothing. They won't get a group and if they do good for them they'll die a bunch oh well. They won't get into say Triton, BoL, FU with this access so all i really see is "I wish i had this when i was doing it /tear" Access to this zone is obsolete completely obsolete. It's like BoT 2, You don't have to worry about someone making a group and going to gank Sol Ro.
This is kind of funny accually cause I remember this when they opened BoT to regular players. Ohh god the world was over BoT could be entered by anyone 62 and over! Look at it today no one in there right mind cares about BoT being a open zone now. As far as how easy it is. So what? it's a pre ele zone that atm is only really raided as a lack of options or loot raid. Take a poll from your high end players and find out how many people accually care about SolRo access? None cause there in GoD/OoW/Time/Ele's. It won't inturrupt any uber players exp time because if someone with ele access or above is exping in SolRo instead of PoF,PoE,GoD,OoW Post WoS zones.. They deserve to be with these players.. Very trivial flag to gain anymore. I honestly could care less either way. Hell i might do this just to get into Solro as i'm only 2 flags away from ele's and well to even get into a guild on the level of Ele's on Povar. You gotta be ele flagged already.
Yeah, but who could get PoP or GoD gear before? Only people who put in the time, the effort and rallied a large force of people to take down those targets. Now you don't need any of that, the goods are handed out.
OoW gear doesn't even scale close to PoP gear and GoD gear do the research between AC/HP's/Mana big difference. I have a warrior in my guild thats in alot of OoW gear MPG + and even GoD gear.. and he isn't close to a Time equiped warrior his HP's are over 8k but thats still atleast 2k under a Time geared Warrior. The game is not being dumbed down to me. There finnaly realizing theres a overly huge gap between Casual gamer's and Raiders and it's closing a little. A OoW fully geared player will not scale close to a raider at all. Focus effects have no merit either. So what someone has a aug that gives them ID5 and they only log on 2 times a week. Very very trivial. Only thing that I see is the problem is "omg casual gamers are getting a little bit closer to my level! My eq Penii omg the shrinkage hurts". If a raider has a say Fury of Solusek item and is complaining cause casual_gamer_1001 has a ID5 item..Boo Hoo get unlazy and go group yourself a id5 item. I have yet to see a non boohoo complaint about this or the scaling of oow gear. For the ones saying OMG it's so easy to get into a raiding guild! Don't forget raiding guild's have a limit on players they'll take and classes. No it's not as easy as your making it out to be. Rally up all the raiding guilds out there and find out how many are taking apps for SK's .. good luck.
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The chances of a level 46 getting a group in this zone or soloing something worthwhile is?
Alot of crying over nothing all they really did is give people a alternate zone to go to besides BoT. The level of the person has no merit. A level 46 player with SolRo access means nothing. They won't get a group and if they do good for them they'll die a bunch oh well. They won't get into say Triton, BoL, FU with this access so all i really see is "I wish i had this when i was doing it /tear" Access to this zone is obsolete completely obsolete. It's like BoT 2, You don't have to worry about someone making a group and going to gank Sol Ro.
This is kind of funny accually cause I remember this when they opened BoT to regular players. Ohh god the world was over BoT could be entered by anyone 62 and over! Look at it today no one in there right mind cares about BoT being a open zone now. As far as how easy it is. So what? it's a pre ele zone that atm is only really raided as a lack of options or loot raid. Take a poll from your high end players and find out how many people accually care about SolRo access? None cause there in GoD/OoW/Time/Ele's. It won't inturrupt any uber players exp time because if someone with ele access or above is exping in SolRo instead of PoF,PoE,GoD,OoW Post WoS zones.. They deserve to be with these players.. Very trivial flag to gain anymore. I honestly could care less either way. Hell i might do this just to get into Solro as i'm only 2 flags away from ele's and well to even get into a guild on the level of Ele's on Povar. You gotta be ele flagged already.
Yeah, but who could get PoP or GoD gear before? Only people who put in the time, the effort and rallied a large force of people to take down those targets. Now you don't need any of that, the goods are handed out.
OoW gear doesn't even scale close to PoP gear and GoD gear do the research between AC/HP's/Mana big difference. I have a warrior in my guild thats in alot of OoW gear MPG + and even GoD gear.. and he isn't close to a Time equiped warrior his HP's are over 8k but thats still atleast 2k under a Time geared Warrior. The game is not being dumbed down to me. There finnaly realizing theres a overly huge gap between Casual gamer's and Raiders and it's closing a little. A OoW fully geared player will not scale close to a raider at all. Focus effects have no merit either. So what someone has a aug that gives them ID5 and they only log on 2 times a week. Very very trivial. Only thing that I see is the problem is "omg casual gamers are getting a little bit closer to my level! My eq Penii omg the shrinkage hurts". If a raider has a say Fury of Solusek item and is complaining cause casual_gamer_1001 has a ID5 item..Boo Hoo get unlazy and go group yourself a id5 item. I have yet to see a non boohoo complaint about this or the scaling of oow gear. For the ones saying OMG it's so easy to get into a raiding guild! Don't forget raiding guild's have a limit on players they'll take and classes. No it's not as easy as your making it out to be. Rally up all the raiding guilds out there and find out how many are taking apps for SK's .. good luck.
Edited, Fri Dec 31 06:48:00 2004
Haha you don't really know what you're talking about do you? OoW and GoD gear tends to have more HPs than Time gear. I am in a high-end raiding guild and I see this stuff a lot. Time gear is older expansion gear and is out of date. Yes it is very nice and I have a lot but I find myself upgrading on OoW raids particularly hp/mana. Effects are better as well and have higher percentages although I don't think (haven't checked really) ID5 is any more % than ID4 just goes to level 70. That would make Fury of Solusek better anyways. From there the step up would be the GoD and OoW named effects (sorry no time to look these up). It's too bad you are being rejected by raiding guilds but with server populations so low it is easier than ever to get in them so must be another reason for that. Sounds to me like you are the one crying here.
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Does the whole group that does this get access with one heart? I remember them saying that a full group doing this can get access at once with one person that does turn in. Might have misread that.
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Not a group turn in. Tried it today and only the person turning in the heart got access.
Bottom line: people can now get into solro for exp and ornate drops(although rare), what did they get that they couldn't before? Solro is good exp but theres tons of other good exp zones, they got ornate but they already had ornate.
Seriously considering the state the game is in atm i think of this as more of a positive benefit then a negative, and just fyi just about every other alternate access quest requires you to get a share in to loot an item to complete it, so they are by no means gimping the game ^_^
Seriously considering the state the game is in atm i think of this as more of a positive benefit then a negative, and just fyi just about every other alternate access quest requires you to get a share in to loot an item to complete it, so they are by no means gimping the game ^_^
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Kakkorisu...i geuss it just depends on your definition of 'uber'... getting into sol ro tower or getting tier 1 armor from oow hardley makes you uber it can get you up to par for the mobs you are killing in those areas, but certainly not 'uber'....
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'Uber' for 95% of the EQ world / zones... not 'uber' for the 3 OoW zones 90% of the EQ population has matriculated to. When I see the loot from Elemental raid mobs and I pass because my OoW quested items or items I nabbed that were rotting in MPG because no one else wanted them... I consider that sad and an injustice to the loot/item hierarchy. Making previous zones obsolete is not the sign of a good game and 'uber' is what I consider when one person can accomplish in 5 minutes what it used to take 50-60 over the course of months. It used to be that 95% of EQ was boring, mundane, and obsolete to a small minority of people who had been raiding Time / GoD for a long period of time... now 95% of EQ is obsolete to 90% of the people because of OoW. I have better quest items from sitting in a group XPing, not even actively questing, than friends who have been playing for 3+ years who had good, not the best, PoP stuff. That's sad. Further, SoE is making the game even more worthless by taking away the need for team work, tactics, and patience to acquire high end goals. Recap: yeah, the OoW gear isn't uber in the 2-3 OoW zones that grew old in about a month, but they are uber in every other zone. It doesn't take much for an average player to max stats, ft, and regen... which is retarded. Instead of trying to achieve something, SoE just hands it out now... I guess if that's what you consider fun... congrats to you. And while Sol Ro isn't an 'uber' zone, it did require a large force and time to get to, which singled it out still as being a goal a lot of people hadn't achieved. I knew people who weren't Sol Ro flagged who had been playing since the beginning... and now you can get it done solo... that's what I mean by 'uber'... in contrast to what it did and should take to get something to what it takes now.
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I am a casual player with very modest gear, a few kills from being Sol Ro flagged and while I can appreciate the easy access, I definitely empathize with those who have put in the time/labor to get flagged. The problem with EQ is that it needs to continually provide more content for the hard core, while still providing zones of worth for its core constituency. How can this problem be rectified? I find it sad, personally, that all the old world zones are empty (with the exception of the noob zones). Somehow, the developers at EQ need to incorporate value of these other zones into the game.
Luclin Gear made Velious gear look bad. PoP Made luclin gear look bad. GoD made PoP gear obsolete and now OOW makes GoD gear look bad. This has been the way it always has worked.
The Tier 1 OOW quest stuff is more like VT gear, than it is elemental or Time gear. The drops in MPG are close to elemental, but lack some of the nice effects. Sure, if you can handle riftseekers, you'll get some good gear, but its not like a group can wander into Riftseekers with a group equipped in Thurgadin quest armor, or ldon normal drops, and expect to kill anything.
IF someone takes the time to build Dranik Loyalist faction, and completes some of the quests for armor, then MAYBE after a lot of time collecting parts, they might be well equipped enough to survive there, but the named will still be challenging.
I know an old school time equipped warrior, who has 13k+ hp with the new OOW buffs (and thats with 10 empty aug slots, and only ornate for BP), and not one piece of OOW gear. I also know an OOW equipped warrior(from grinding, not raids, who has all of the tier one quest gear, except bp and legs, and hes almost 3k less HP fully buffed.
IMO, all OOW has done, is given people an easier way to get their gear up to VT quality, without having to go thru that whole key quest.
A friend formerly in my guild recently apped a raid guild that still clears time, and he has gotten 3 upgrades, that were going to rot otherwise, that are better than anything I have seen from MPG, RCoD, WOS or any of the one groupable quests.
The Tier 1 OOW quest stuff is more like VT gear, than it is elemental or Time gear. The drops in MPG are close to elemental, but lack some of the nice effects. Sure, if you can handle riftseekers, you'll get some good gear, but its not like a group can wander into Riftseekers with a group equipped in Thurgadin quest armor, or ldon normal drops, and expect to kill anything.
IF someone takes the time to build Dranik Loyalist faction, and completes some of the quests for armor, then MAYBE after a lot of time collecting parts, they might be well equipped enough to survive there, but the named will still be challenging.
I know an old school time equipped warrior, who has 13k+ hp with the new OOW buffs (and thats with 10 empty aug slots, and only ornate for BP), and not one piece of OOW gear. I also know an OOW equipped warrior(from grinding, not raids, who has all of the tier one quest gear, except bp and legs, and hes almost 3k less HP fully buffed.
IMO, all OOW has done, is given people an easier way to get their gear up to VT quality, without having to go thru that whole key quest.
A friend formerly in my guild recently apped a raid guild that still clears time, and he has gotten 3 upgrades, that were going to rot otherwise, that are better than anything I have seen from MPG, RCoD, WOS or any of the one groupable quests.
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Quote:
PoP Made luclin gear look bad. GoD made PoP gear obsolete and now OOW makes GoD gear look bad
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The thing is, each new expansion HAS given some form of easily obtainable upgrade, that comes close ot the best stuff from the previous expansion. Blue diamond cultural was as good as velious quest plate (or better). Ornate and the PoP smithed armors were close to or better than the Luclin armors. GoD gave us smithed weapons that were about as good or better than the gear that drops off Tier 2 PoP gods. Now OOW gives unflagged or quested armor that is almost as good as elemental gear, and nowhere near as good as the Time gear.
Now as far as these armors haveing the five versions of the focus effects, that is true, HOWEVER, most have the weakest versions of the effects. So you can get mana preservation V in OOW. that will save you 10% on all your spells up to level 70.
Now, lets contrast that to the focus on a fairly common PoTime piece. Smooth Onyx Torque. Effect is Sanguine Preservation. Saves 40% on beneficial spells up to level 65. HOWEVER, it stell works on 66+ spells, the effectiveness is just reduced by 10% per level. That means it saves 36% mana on level 66 spells, 32% on level 67, 28% on 68 etc. If you happen to even get a level 70 spell, it would still save 20% on it, which is twice as much as the MP5.
Since my main is a cleric, I would MUCH prefer the torque from PoTime, to the MP item from OOW.
Now as to your argument that even mediocre players can get into raid guilds, SO WHAT. Why should they have to. Maybe they don't WANT to raid. Perhaps they play at times that don't fit with the raid guild schedules. Bottom line is, the raiders still get higher quality gear, just like every previous expansion, the casuals just can get gear that is equal to the raid gear for 2-3 expansions earlier (just like every other expansion has done).
If you look at the difference between the quality of the OOW raid gear, and the OOW group drops, the gap is actully EVEN LARGER than it was in earlier expansions.
Last thing, on loyalist faction. I have been grinding almost exclusively in OOW, since the expansion was released, killing mostly the mobs that give loyalist faction. I have gotten nearly 5 levels (3 blues to 70) and about 10aa points doing so, and my faction is....dubious. And yes, I have gotten a couple seeping murkglider fluids, and stolen dragorn insignia, and turned them in as well. I also kill nocs and ukun in DS while LFG. Dranik Loyalist is NOT that easy to raise, until you get into the raid oriented zones.
Bottom line is, the raiders get gear with over 300hp/mana/end on most pieces from OOW. The casual group players get items with 100-140hp/mana/end. How is this a problem?
Now as far as these armors haveing the five versions of the focus effects, that is true, HOWEVER, most have the weakest versions of the effects. So you can get mana preservation V in OOW. that will save you 10% on all your spells up to level 70.
Now, lets contrast that to the focus on a fairly common PoTime piece. Smooth Onyx Torque. Effect is Sanguine Preservation. Saves 40% on beneficial spells up to level 65. HOWEVER, it stell works on 66+ spells, the effectiveness is just reduced by 10% per level. That means it saves 36% mana on level 66 spells, 32% on level 67, 28% on 68 etc. If you happen to even get a level 70 spell, it would still save 20% on it, which is twice as much as the MP5.
Since my main is a cleric, I would MUCH prefer the torque from PoTime, to the MP item from OOW.
Now as to your argument that even mediocre players can get into raid guilds, SO WHAT. Why should they have to. Maybe they don't WANT to raid. Perhaps they play at times that don't fit with the raid guild schedules. Bottom line is, the raiders still get higher quality gear, just like every previous expansion, the casuals just can get gear that is equal to the raid gear for 2-3 expansions earlier (just like every other expansion has done).
If you look at the difference between the quality of the OOW raid gear, and the OOW group drops, the gap is actully EVEN LARGER than it was in earlier expansions.
Last thing, on loyalist faction. I have been grinding almost exclusively in OOW, since the expansion was released, killing mostly the mobs that give loyalist faction. I have gotten nearly 5 levels (3 blues to 70) and about 10aa points doing so, and my faction is....dubious. And yes, I have gotten a couple seeping murkglider fluids, and stolen dragorn insignia, and turned them in as well. I also kill nocs and ukun in DS while LFG. Dranik Loyalist is NOT that easy to raise, until you get into the raid oriented zones.
Bottom line is, the raiders get gear with over 300hp/mana/end on most pieces from OOW. The casual group players get items with 100-140hp/mana/end. How is this a problem?
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Does this also give stat upgrades and an AA? Just wondering.
Nope got the key went and did not get the msg that the chr has recieved a flag and even went to PoK and did "i have stories" nada.
But it is an easy way to get into Sol Ro
But it is an easy way to get into Sol Ro
Did you zone into Sol ro before you tried the "I have stories"?
For most of the key type PoP flags, you MUST zone into the zone before he will recognize that you are flagged.
For most of the key type PoP flags, you MUST zone into the zone before he will recognize that you are flagged.
U dont get an aa for TSR alt access quest because its not opened to everyone, only people that have done quest and are PP flagged. However you also dont get stats added to your charm which is wrong since it stats that the charm grows in power as you gain access to more PoP zones (not that you have to do planar progression because you get stats for doing the alt quests for cod, hoh etc...)
Chanted down with a bard, doesn't summon, didn't parse hit points but its not a lot, maybe 5 minutes start to finish. 30 minute corpse timer so plenty of time to loot with your twink.
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Posted: Dec 29 2004 at 3:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) At the risk of sounding like a jerk, I totally agree with Purrheart, this pretty much kills the game. What's the point of guilds if you can solo access into Sol Ro and 1 group for great loots in the Planes or OoW now? The quests in OoW were bad enough, they look really cool at first, but then you think about it for two seconds and you realize... everyone is going to be uber in about 2 months... so what's the point? Let's just create a game where goals are minimized and efforts are lessened in order to achieve once high-end goals... what took some people 3 years to do can now be completed in fifteen minutes. Wow... great... so every idiot can be uber now... There's no real need to even be a good player, every dolt is equiped so ridiculously well now and all the previous expansions made obsolete by new ones... imo that's not the mark of a good game. PoP is a few years old so let's make it easy and worthless to explore or achieve progression? Yeah, there's solid reasoning. Let's keep making 5 new zones that become the center of game play and dumb down all the old ones. It's all very disappointing to me... the thrill was in working towards a high end goal and finding the means to do so, which in this case was a guild. Soon people will be one grouping Gods for the fun of it... I remember first starting EQ and hearing about being able to go and fight the Gods with a requirement of 60 or so other people and thinking how cool that was. Not much is impressive anymore... thanks SoE for taking away the adventure of EQ... and for anyone that complains about not having a guild and being a solo kind of person... well news for you, EQ was fun because it offered outlets to solo and guilding individuals alike... there was something for everyone. You didn't like being in a guild? Well, there were just some things you couldn't do due to your choice, live with it. And if you couldn't get into a guild for PoP progression... then to be blunt, you had to be mentally retarded... because if you're worth anything at all, it wasn't hard. Apparently though enough idiots have spoken and massive team work is no longer an issue to SoE as the masses of well equiped morons now run rampant through OoW zones and old expansions have a much lessened appeal to guilds. How exciting, guilds now have one zone in OoW to work toward... Anguish... because that's so much fun... take away the Elementals and soon the GoD ones and leave team work in the dust, because apparently it's about cheap thrills and maxing your stats in a week that make games fun. Forget working toward anything, just 1 group in OoW in any spot for a week and you'll have about 10 quests finished for what was once raid loot gear... then head on over to the WW to get Sol Ro access in five minutes solo style. Congrats, hope you feel accomplished.
I agree with you, you definitely sound like a jerk. :P
Solro is an oldschool zone now, i see nothing wrong with giving people access to it. Seriously dude losing solro is not that big of a lose lol, people hardly ever went there anyway and its a nice zone.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Dec 30 2004 at 5:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow, shut the hell up!
well, this quest is easily soloable by any class that can ranged attack or tank a mob solo that hits for 650. as a druid root rot worked extremely well and now my friends and i (who are considered the "gimps" of my server) have an alternate means of accessing easy armor upgrades (the other means being farming BoT named, and that takes FOREVER)which are a basic requirement to be able to truely enjoy the OOW content without truely getting owned.
besides, the tower of solusek ro is virtually abandoned (at least on drinal). it's difficulty is no more than the bastion of thunder really, and it's experience is much better imo.
/cheer verant for making those of us not in a raiding guild able to access this content.
--Athenya
66th Druidess of Tunare / 78aa
--Faedarr
66th Enchanter / 57aa
Drinal Server
besides, the tower of solusek ro is virtually abandoned (at least on drinal). it's difficulty is no more than the bastion of thunder really, and it's experience is much better imo.
/cheer verant for making those of us not in a raiding guild able to access this content.
--Athenya
66th Druidess of Tunare / 78aa
--Faedarr
66th Enchanter / 57aa
Drinal Server
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Oh my god. you are telling me that people from the release of pop till now have busted their *** getting solro flagged ( while not the hardest thing, also something that requires A GUILD!) is now able to be gotten into by soloing some no name gimp mob? this will see alot of angry posts other than mine
Scholar
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I for one like this idea for the simple reason that my guild could never do the old flagging to get into Sol Ro. We have a hard enough time taking down Dozekar in ToV. Yes, that is some really old content but it is still a challenge for a very small guild with very casual players. We play to have fun with each other. Not to be the most uberest in the game.
I do feel that this guy should get beefed up a little though. Make him hit for 1k, beef up his HP's, or better yet make him immune to changes in speed. I haven't attempted him yet, but from the sounds of it he is way too easy for an access mob. There should at least be some sort of challenge in it.
And I am Sol Ro flagged the old way. Tooks months of open raids, but I did accomplish it.
I do feel that this guy should get beefed up a little though. Make him hit for 1k, beef up his HP's, or better yet make him immune to changes in speed. I haven't attempted him yet, but from the sounds of it he is way too easy for an access mob. There should at least be some sort of challenge in it.
And I am Sol Ro flagged the old way. Tooks months of open raids, but I did accomplish it.
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Posted: Dec 29 2004 at 3:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's called 'EQ: now made fun for those with ADD or those who possess no talent whatsoever.' You only need the attention span of a ten year old child raised off MTV to play this game now. Way to work toward a goal... retards. Mom tell you often to reach for that lowest, most accessible star?
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So why are you baggin on the players when they have nothing to do with making it easyer to get into so ro, I think that that would be somthing you should take up with Sony dont you?
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Not specifically saying it's the players' faults, but I am upset that so many people are saying thanks to SoE for dumbing down the game... which is just as bad imo. Instead of being offended or upset, people are happy they're being treated like idiots with ADD... "Didn't like PoP progression huh... too hard and long a process? Well humph... instead of doing something complicated, here's one gimpy mob to solo"... "THANKS, AWESOME, IT'S ABOUT TIME!" Get me? No one likes the process or the challenge of achieving goals apparently.
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Oh my god. you are telling me that people from the release of pop till now have busted their *** getting solro flagged ( while not the hardest thing, also something that requires A GUILD!) is now able to be gotten into by soloing some no name gimp mob? this will see alot of angry posts other than mine
::Shrugs:: I got Sol Ro flagged the "hard" way, yet I helped a friend of mine become the first on FV to use this quest for access... Why? She's a damn fine player, knows a ton... and yet, because she doesn't raid, she'll never see Sol Ro Tower. Despite that, most modern raiders consider Sol Ro Tower "Gimp" or "Worthless". So, why should it stay a raid-only access zone when it has very little importance in modern raiding? It's time has come.
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Oh my god. you are telling me that people from the release of pop till now have busted their *** getting solro flagged
~Hands cheese to go with the whine~
The expansion is like a few years old.. It's about time they gave some alternate way of getting into these zones. Regardless if it's just for "backflagging" reasons.
Only people that will be ******** are the trolls on the board..
The point is that the quest is ridiculously easy compared to what you had to do to get into the Tower of Solusek Ro.
As officer of my former guild it has been my personal long time goal to get into this zone. I've set a time frame of a few months and we really managed to kill several progression mobs, farmed keys over a few weeks and stuff. But in the end we failed...
Now you can have the same result in about 20 min of work, maximum 2 hours if you add the travel time and waiting for the spawn if the Efreeti has just been killed.
Of course there are always the whiners, who will complain no matter what, but I guess the critics of this quest would be considerably less aroused if the quest would be more complicated.
Look at the quest for exp access to Plane of Torment for example. Takes a lot of drops from all over the Tier 1 zones, you even have to learn Orcish iirc.
Now that is a reasonable work-reward-ratio and I think not many complained when it was introduced back then. This new quest however is a whole different matter...
Edited, Sat Jan 1 19:06:31 2005
As officer of my former guild it has been my personal long time goal to get into this zone. I've set a time frame of a few months and we really managed to kill several progression mobs, farmed keys over a few weeks and stuff. But in the end we failed...
Now you can have the same result in about 20 min of work, maximum 2 hours if you add the travel time and waiting for the spawn if the Efreeti has just been killed.
Of course there are always the whiners, who will complain no matter what, but I guess the critics of this quest would be considerably less aroused if the quest would be more complicated.
Look at the quest for exp access to Plane of Torment for example. Takes a lot of drops from all over the Tier 1 zones, you even have to learn Orcish iirc.
Now that is a reasonable work-reward-ratio and I think not many complained when it was introduced back then. This new quest however is a whole different matter...
Edited, Sat Jan 1 19:06:31 2005
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Ok, lets all calmdown, that is part of the backflagging ang the 85% rule, u can get in the zone UNFLAGGED now, kill the mobs for your Plane of Fire, and kill Fennin RO in Plane of fire, and then go back and get the other flagges later
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I am not goin to go into which mobs and how long each takes to kill to get flags to get more flags to then get more flags, to finally get yet another flag, but lets assume you have a guild that can handle the mobs required to get to solro the "hard" way. this is about 10 hours of raiding, easily more, but for fun i will say only 10. it is my opinion, that the plane of time was at least partly named so for the fact that you would have to play this game for a long time to see it. if it has nothing whatsoever to do with that, then it is still a coinsidence. yes, i did get solro flagged the hard way. yes that is exactly why i posted my original post. this basically means you could be level 46 and be solro flagged ( in theory) which is BS, when i was 46, i spent my time worrying about getting a group in POJ. i personally think that the reward vs. risk policy applies greatly here, now instead of grind leveling, people can just bug a 70 friend to kill some mob so they can get uber loot. (solro is not as uber as lewt gets, but it is by far better than anything you can buy in baz)
dont bother telling me that i whine, because i do, thats what a rant is. i had to earn it, so should everyone else. if you dont like what i have to say, then hot damn its so much easier to not read posts that it is to. oh and i like provalone cheese, thanks. and oreo cookies.
dont bother telling me that i whine, because i do, thats what a rant is. i had to earn it, so should everyone else. if you dont like what i have to say, then hot damn its so much easier to not read posts that it is to. oh and i like provalone cheese, thanks. and oreo cookies.
This is ultra easy soloed him with a 70 sk. Prolly get buffed eventually
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