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Find Ronar Flametip in the Plane of Tranquility - Location +254.67, -2119.95, -927.41 (in the building to the Plane of Fire).
You say, 'Hail, Ronar Flametip' Ronar Flametip says 'Ronar says, 'Greetings travelers! Though the blessing Karana bestowed upon me seems to be waning, I was at least able to portend your arrival here and the role you would play in the [events] I shall soon inform you of.' You say, 'What events?' Ronar Flametip says 'My gift normally allows me to peer into other realms. I have used it many times to protect Norrath from dangerous outside forces. Now, however, I have lost the ability to peer into the planes under the domain of Fennin Ro. I suspect that his son, Solusek, may play a hand in these events, although I know not how. I fear that he has managed to somehow [move the portal] into the Plane of Fire for reasons that are not completely clear to me.' You say, 'Move the portal?' Ronar Flametip says 'Yes, and by doing so he has blocked my sight and access into the plane itself. Yet before I completely lost the ability to see into his realm, I glimpsed a giant stream of mystical fire coming from his tower and shooting upwards into the sky. Once the clouds had parted, another more sinister torrent of magic returned from the sky back to his tower. I believe that Solusek may have an accomplice for whatever he has planned. Though I much prefer subtlety, I fear the time for that has passed. No, you must simply stop Solusek from completing his plans and you must discover who his accomplice is lest he manages to continue their vile plans. Will you [fulfill the call of destiny]?' You say, 'I will fulfill the call of destiny' Ronar Flametip says 'Before you can gain access to Solusek's tower, you will need an enchantment to protect you from the searing heat that is contained within its walls. On my own I do not have the ability to grant such protection but I can still aid thee nonetheless. In the frigid landscapes of the Western Wastes there is a particularly powerful [efreeti] that wanders a path that only the mad would follow.' You say, 'What efreeti?' Ronar Flametip says 'Banished by his own kind for cruelty not even they could tolerate, he roams the wasteland forever searching for the entrance back to his home, an entrance forever denied to him. You must destroy this abomination and bring me the fiery heart that burns inside of him. Only then will you be able to survive the blistering environment in Solusek Ro's tower. Once inside though, you will need to gain access to his inner sanctum by getting his sanctum key. I know little of this but always be on the lookout for help for you never know when the gods may choose to aid you. Once you have destroyed Solusek, return to me with any information you find.' Find and kill the Banished Efreeti in the Western Wastes. He spawns on the western coast and wanders the zone. He is a curiously simple mob: Max hit 651, average 385; fully slowable, rootable, snareable, doesn't summon). Loot the Banished Efreeti Heart and give it to Ronar. Ronar Flametip says 'Very good _____. With this I can create an enchantment powerful enough to protect you from the searing heat within Solusek's Tower.' Ronar plunges the heart into the nearby pool of water and begins to chant in a low monotonous tone. The water around his claw begins to boil and swirl faster and faster as his chanting grows louder till he finally pulls out his now-empty claw. He gently touches your forehead and though you hear your flesh sizzle as he inscribes a rune upon it, you feel nothing. 'Now you may freely enter Solusek's Tower and complete your task.' You now have access to the Tower of Solusek Ro. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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just say 'what efreeti?' to Ronar and head to WW, he'll be up. tried this 4 times to confirm it.
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I received all of the text and went through the entire set of comments with him.
Any idea of why it would not let me in the zone?
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Edited, Tue Aug 2 00:49:35 2005
The Banished Efreeti paths along the west coast between 2 ice shard clusters protruding from the ground. He just goes back and forth between these ice clusters not through the whole zone.
The Banished Efreeti isn't very magic resistant and if you have the ability to snare or root he's soloable.
At two points on his path he warps completely to the otherside of his path which makes tracking him a little difficult.
It would seem me spawns about once an hour and I can't confirm a despawn as each time I saw him I killed him. But his spawn point is the is northern ice cluster West of Dragon Necropolis.
It requires no PH death to spawn him and his corpse lasts 27 minutes if you need time to log an alt or tell a guildie to haul butt to the zone.
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Or do I still have to do the original flag to get them?
*After I zone into Solro Tower of course*
Edited, Mon Feb 14 23:12:21 2005
I was MT and was summoned 4 times. Not that being summoned 2 inches made any real difference.
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well in seeing if someone want to be elly geared you need to do ellys so how in de fook you gonne be the ( 1 elly geared grp if you aint flagged) morons these days i freakin tell ya
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PS - a post about Sol Ro in the SRT access quest! omg, one post thats actually on topic!
Edited, Sat Jan 22 02:51:47 2005
Edited, Thu Jan 20 11:52:46 2005
If you actually took time to PLAY THE GAME you'd realize that MPG LOOT IS NO DROP. But keep whining how you can't get loot handed out to you like candy. I have a set of friend that were are in a social guild I used to be in when I started out. They are still a social guild. No where near EP raiding but you know what. The are exping in RCoD, MPG, and recently they've been doing Riffseekers. It's all in what you put into the game. Sorry this game isn't orintated to someone that wants to log on for an hour or 2 to get phat lewtz.
Actually no one wants to do LDoN anymore cause everyone is doing OoW to get better one groupable items and augs. And please don't cry to me that you need to be uber to one group these mobs. start off with the bloodfields, can get ok stuff there, not your taste? not uber enough for ya? move on to Nobles Causeway, better exp, slightly upgraded gear and can get spell rune drops as well as tier 1 quest drops (which hell I'm currently wearing and I used to be in a time guild b4 I dropped down to the current EP guild to be with RL wife). Still not good? move to Ruined City of Dranik, Now you're getting into some pretty decent gear/augs and ok exp as well as all runes drops from 66-70 (minus ancient drops) Once done farming there you're easily geared up to move to Wall of Slaughter for better exp and gear/augs. After that's done move to MPG farm away great gear especially the leg drops and augs, spell runes 66-70's. If after all that farming on your "casual playing times" you've finally hit 69 and got decent gear (save tanks and clr's for hp's/ac and mana reason) Welcome to Riffseekers. Great exp, excellent drops for all slots and best one groupable augs in game. Ya it takes time, ya it doesn't happen over night but omfg it's possible to be EP equivielnt geared by just doing exp crap so stop bitching already. If you want to be uber in an hour go find a geared toon on ebay already and stfu plz
That's funny, 'Mr Know-It-All Uber', because I pass or sell those caster belts all the time. Not everything is no-drop. Maybe you should take your ass away from the Odi camp sometime.
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These PoP zones they are opening up are empty but for raiders back flagging or just getting around to it, because the most of the people who have flagged to these zones are in Discord or Omens flagging there or doing people's epic 1.5/2.0.
It's still fairly out of reach for me to get this Sol Ro flag because every time me and my guildies head down there to kill the Efreeti, which has a one hour respawn, the list is long and as a two-hours-if-I'm-lucky-a-night player I can't wait.
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I don't have a problem with SoE opening up zones like SRT for XP. The zone is terribly underutilized. You're not going to get rich off the ornate drops. The XP isn't even that great. You'll see mid-level guild peeps all excited to see a zone they haven't before - which is cool, don't get me wrong. But before long they'll realize you can get better XP and drops elsewhere, and though zones like BoT and HoH don't give as good XP as SRT, groups there are easier to find. It's just not going to make that much of a difference.
That being said, I do have a problem with how they implemented this "quest". They might as well have just had the heart be a ground spawn on a one hour timer. Make it spawn randomly along the western coast. There, it's now just as hard as killing the gimp mob.
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He stated what he saw as how it is, and guess what he is right. You get out what you put in. Casual player = regular zones & casual gear, hardcore player = best zones & gear. Why should a casual player get the same access and gear that someone who raids 6 times a week get? Cause they whine about no access? Hey guess what, seems whining works cause now you can get easy access to at least one place.
For OoW zones you dont even need flags though some are lvl restricted, so guess what that means all you need to do is get a good group and go get some uber loots. It's not that hard and alot easier then whining about how unfair it all is to YOU. Work harder get more, lol what do you want eq welfare?
I was a more casual player for the first 5 years I played EQ, and just recently I've joined a great raiding guild. Hell yeah it takes alot more effort and time then casual playing does but the end result is that I get to explore many new places and get better gear then I ever expected to get. When I was playing more casual, I had more free time but I didn't run around bitching cause I couldn't do this or that...so grow the @#%^ up and earn it if you want better stuff!!!
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Plus, he got all worked up about access to Sol ro tower being opened up. Big deal. Its not like Sol ro tower is uber loot central these days. Even after the flag quest, its unusual to see even one group in the zone. Occasionally there will be a raid, otherwise the zone is as empty as plane of torment.
I was a casual for several years. Like you I am in a Qvic flagged guild now. Let me point out that casual guilds are not ALL 2 hour a week players. they just don't raid as much. I see no reason to hold back access to mid tier zones that are 3 or 4 expansions old. Its not like they opened up plane of time! Its basically the same level zone as tactics, it just had a tougher flagging sequence.
Does this mean Idon't ever care about seeing time.. Probably would like to, but right now I am just having fun exploring all the content in EQ that I can now. I could have jumped in one of these guilds and spent most my time Raiding, and been flagged for POP, which never really interested me, but I would like to see the zones I haven't for sure... Just in no hurry. I seen from the beginning I have no way of keeping up with SOE far as expansions and content go. So why be in such a hurry, Not like I'm gonna win. I don't compare myself to others, I compare myself to how I do. I'm not one of these people crying cuz I don't have 12k HP and 2600AC, I'll try to tank it anyways. Hey, sometimes I even do good at it. This particular mob don't require a high level friend, you can kite the Effretti with a level 50 druid if you want... It can be tanked by several classes, and it's fun to watch. Think of it as a little humor instead of getting all cranky about a zone you probably don't use anyways. IF your in a good Raid guild, there's nothing there for you anyways.. You should be doing DON content by now, or at least getting the EP armor. In any case you should be way passed the Ornate that is found in this zone. So what if we "Family" Guilds go in and kill all the named, just to say, hey, we could do this if we wanted too... We know the raids that take 4 groups or more, will not get done by us, so it's not like we think we are Uber... Ornate is like OOW drops, that we can already get. I like the little things that come with Ornate though (Haste, Attack, See Invissy), othewise I'm still wearing my Ldon Pants, My Fable'd BP, etc. Ornate has nice AC, but the HP from alot of easy to get OOW armor is better. The effects of the Ornate Is what I like most...
Well, Have a nice day, and when they open up Qvic to us family guild types in two years, I'll chime in again to remind you of this little Efret being such a big deal..LOL.
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most of the PoP zones that ive been in... you need a strong group/raid if ya want to do more than spend time back in the guild lobby summoning your corpse, or waiting for a rez.
Sol Ro is a fun zone to go to from time to time and the loot there is decent... (for those that arent flagged /equipped for higher zones).. most of the time the zone is empty, so why *should* you care? its not like the peeps that are using the new way to get flagged for this zone are interfering with your mobs, etc.
most of the PoP zones that ive been in... you need a strong group/raid if ya want to do more than spend time back in the guild lobby summoning your corpse, or waiting for a rez.
Sol Ro is a fun zone to go to from time to time and the loot there is decent... (for those that arent flagged /equipped for higher zones).. most of the time the zone is empty, so why *should* you care? its not like the peeps that are using the new way to get flagged for this zone are interfering with your mobs, etc.
While that would make getting there much easier, it would not open the zone up.
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When I was after Sol Ro himself, and fully chamber flagged, though alt flagged into Sol Ro Tower, I was missing only BoT key of all the PoP flaggings, and that made me a piggie into sol ro chamber.
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Obviously you have no idea what its like to be a casual gamer... I login 2 to 3 times a week, whenever I have time in my hectic life.. and have fallen so far behind in Planar Progression its not funny.
It is hard enough for a casual gamer to progress in the upper content of EQ as it is.. especially with SONY catering to the ego od UBER guilds.. by coming out with more and more raid orientated expansions every year.
Yeah.. they added the task system in this last one,.... BIG FREAKING WHOOPS.. i can waste 2 to 4 hours doing a crap task and get jack sh*t in return.
I have been playing as much a I can .. for 4 years now.. and am light years away from most of the raiding players in the game as far as gear / AA / etc. Its just imposable for the casual gamer to get anything nice.. or progress in Planar Progression. The only way i'm going to see any sweet gear.. is buy paying rediculous plat in the bazaar from some uber guildies trash gear from MPG ... The gap between casual gamer and hard-core raider is nuts.
Its about time SONY finally woke up and did something to at least give us casual players a place to play and feel like we ae still somewhat in the game.
Because truth be known... I feel so far left behind... it just discourages me.
I've had GoD since the day it came out.. and still have yet to get a single rune for any of my GoD spells... and lets not even start on the fact I won't unlock those higher GoD zones till sometime in 2010.
I've been busting my butt to try and get a LDoN group on a consistent bassis.. because i need 400 points for my last and best DOT spell.. but I cant find a LDoN group anymore.. because of game attrition since eq2 .. and the fact that every other player has already gotten all they want out of LDOn months ago.. and no longer want to do it.
The casual gamer is ignored and swept under the carpet like dirt...
Edited, Tue Jan 4 10:07:52 2005
Not to mention that OOW offers one groupable quest armor that is a HUGE upgrade to most casual players.
The higher level cap enables you to do things that were previously raids, with one group. BoT towers are one groupable now, and some real sweet gear drops there.
Sure, you don't have the gear of the big raid guilds. But, in contrast, if you COULD get the same gear through easy casual gaming, why would anyone bother to raid. You'd have 10x the number of people competing for the gear available to casuals, because it would be faster and easier than raiding.
I personally, cannot find it in myself to begrudge the raid guilders their gear. Nor do I think they should be too upset about tactics opening up, since the best stuff from tactics is junk compared to the average drop from Uqua or MPG trials.
Don't focus on whether you are "falling behind". If you're a casual gamer, focus on "am I improving my character. Nobles causeway is a real easy zone to start off in. If your gear is as bad as you say, you'll pick up some nice upgrades there. Then move on to WoS or RCoD. LOTS of nice stuff there, and depending on camp, even a 7khp tank can do ok there.
Once you run out of one groupable comtent, in which great non-raid items drop, then come back and let me know if you're still unhappy.
2. I go to college full time, work, and have a ton of other things I do in RL beside... I've only been playing a year and I'm Fire flagged, working on Time atm... you get what you want, enough said. 2-3 times a week is about what I log in for as well... I don't see the problem being with SoE personally.
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However, I zone into sol ro tower just fine!
It would have taken me over another year to get into Sol Ro and other zones. To say that this is dumbing down the game is ignorance in itself. If you "HARD CORE" players don't like it...oh well. There are more of us than there are of you and the masses are what matters.
If I had the time to do all the stuff before now, I would have. Thanks Sony.....you kept me and alot of us in the game.
The chances of a level 46 getting a group in this zone or soloing something worthwhile is?
Alot of crying over nothing all they really did is give people a alternate zone to go to besides BoT. The level of the person has no merit. A level 46 player with SolRo access means nothing. They won't get a group and if they do good for them they'll die a bunch oh well. They won't get into say Triton, BoL, FU with this access so all i really see is "I wish i had this when i was doing it /tear" Access to this zone is obsolete completely obsolete. It's like BoT 2, You don't have to worry about someone making a group and going to gank Sol Ro.
This is kind of funny accually cause I remember this when they opened BoT to regular players. Ohh god the world was over BoT could be entered by anyone 62 and over! Look at it today no one in there right mind cares about BoT being a open zone now. As far as how easy it is. So what? it's a pre ele zone that atm is only really raided as a lack of options or loot raid. Take a poll from your high end players and find out how many people accually care about SolRo access? None cause there in GoD/OoW/Time/Ele's. It won't inturrupt any uber players exp time because if someone with ele access or above is exping in SolRo instead of PoF,PoE,GoD,OoW Post WoS zones.. They deserve to be with these players.. Very trivial flag to gain anymore. I honestly could care less either way. Hell i might do this just to get into Solro as i'm only 2 flags away from ele's and well to even get into a guild on the level of Ele's on Povar. You gotta be ele flagged already.
Yeah, but who could get PoP or GoD gear before? Only people who put in the time, the effort and rallied a large force of people to take down those targets. Now you don't need any of that, the goods are handed out.
OoW gear doesn't even scale close to PoP gear and GoD gear do the research between AC/HP's/Mana big difference. I have a warrior in my guild thats in alot of OoW gear MPG + and even GoD gear.. and he isn't close to a Time equiped warrior his HP's are over 8k but thats still atleast 2k under a Time geared Warrior. The game is not being dumbed down to me. There finnaly realizing theres a overly huge gap between Casual gamer's and Raiders and it's closing a little. A OoW fully geared player will not scale close to a raider at all. Focus effects have no merit either. So what someone has a aug that gives them ID5 and they only log on 2 times a week. Very very trivial. Only thing that I see is the problem is "omg casual gamers are getting a little bit closer to my level! My eq Penii omg the shrinkage hurts". If a raider has a say Fury of Solusek item and is complaining cause casual_gamer_1001 has a ID5 item..Boo Hoo get unlazy and go group yourself a id5 item. I have yet to see a non boohoo complaint about this or the scaling of oow gear. For the ones saying OMG it's so easy to get into a raiding guild! Don't forget raiding guild's have a limit on players they'll take and classes. No it's not as easy as your making it out to be. Rally up all the raiding guilds out there and find out how many are taking apps for SK's .. good luck.
Edited, Fri Dec 31 06:48:00 2004
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Edited, Wed Feb 2 11:34:11 2005
Seriously considering the state the game is in atm i think of this as more of a positive benefit then a negative, and just fyi just about every other alternate access quest requires you to get a share in to loot an item to complete it, so they are by no means gimping the game ^_^
The Tier 1 OOW quest stuff is more like VT gear, than it is elemental or Time gear. The drops in MPG are close to elemental, but lack some of the nice effects. Sure, if you can handle riftseekers, you'll get some good gear, but its not like a group can wander into Riftseekers with a group equipped in Thurgadin quest armor, or ldon normal drops, and expect to kill anything.
IF someone takes the time to build Dranik Loyalist faction, and completes some of the quests for armor, then MAYBE after a lot of time collecting parts, they might be well equipped enough to survive there, but the named will still be challenging.
I know an old school time equipped warrior, who has 13k+ hp with the new OOW buffs (and thats with 10 empty aug slots, and only ornate for BP), and not one piece of OOW gear. I also know an OOW equipped warrior(from grinding, not raids, who has all of the tier one quest gear, except bp and legs, and hes almost 3k less HP fully buffed.
IMO, all OOW has done, is given people an easier way to get their gear up to VT quality, without having to go thru that whole key quest.
A friend formerly in my guild recently apped a raid guild that still clears time, and he has gotten 3 upgrades, that were going to rot otherwise, that are better than anything I have seen from MPG, RCoD, WOS or any of the one groupable quests.
Edited, Thu Dec 30 19:06:57 2004
Now as far as these armors haveing the five versions of the focus effects, that is true, HOWEVER, most have the weakest versions of the effects. So you can get mana preservation V in OOW. that will save you 10% on all your spells up to level 70.
Now, lets contrast that to the focus on a fairly common PoTime piece. Smooth Onyx Torque. Effect is Sanguine Preservation. Saves 40% on beneficial spells up to level 65. HOWEVER, it stell works on 66+ spells, the effectiveness is just reduced by 10% per level. That means it saves 36% mana on level 66 spells, 32% on level 67, 28% on 68 etc. If you happen to even get a level 70 spell, it would still save 20% on it, which is twice as much as the MP5.
Since my main is a cleric, I would MUCH prefer the torque from PoTime, to the MP item from OOW.
Now as to your argument that even mediocre players can get into raid guilds, SO WHAT. Why should they have to. Maybe they don't WANT to raid. Perhaps they play at times that don't fit with the raid guild schedules. Bottom line is, the raiders still get higher quality gear, just like every previous expansion, the casuals just can get gear that is equal to the raid gear for 2-3 expansions earlier (just like every other expansion has done).
If you look at the difference between the quality of the OOW raid gear, and the OOW group drops, the gap is actully EVEN LARGER than it was in earlier expansions.
Last thing, on loyalist faction. I have been grinding almost exclusively in OOW, since the expansion was released, killing mostly the mobs that give loyalist faction. I have gotten nearly 5 levels (3 blues to 70) and about 10aa points doing so, and my faction is....dubious. And yes, I have gotten a couple seeping murkglider fluids, and stolen dragorn insignia, and turned them in as well. I also kill nocs and ukun in DS while LFG. Dranik Loyalist is NOT that easy to raise, until you get into the raid oriented zones.
Bottom line is, the raiders get gear with over 300hp/mana/end on most pieces from OOW. The casual group players get items with 100-140hp/mana/end. How is this a problem?
But it is an easy way to get into Sol Ro
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For most of the key type PoP flags, you MUST zone into the zone before he will recognize that you are flagged.
besides, the tower of solusek ro is virtually abandoned (at least on drinal). it's difficulty is no more than the bastion of thunder really, and it's experience is much better imo.
/cheer verant for making those of us not in a raiding guild able to access this content.
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I do feel that this guy should get beefed up a little though. Make him hit for 1k, beef up his HP's, or better yet make him immune to changes in speed. I haven't attempted him yet, but from the sounds of it he is way too easy for an access mob. There should at least be some sort of challenge in it.
And I am Sol Ro flagged the old way. Tooks months of open raids, but I did accomplish it.
::Shrugs:: I got Sol Ro flagged the "hard" way, yet I helped a friend of mine become the first on FV to use this quest for access... Why? She's a damn fine player, knows a ton... and yet, because she doesn't raid, she'll never see Sol Ro Tower. Despite that, most modern raiders consider Sol Ro Tower "Gimp" or "Worthless". So, why should it stay a raid-only access zone when it has very little importance in modern raiding? It's time has come.
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The expansion is like a few years old.. It's about time they gave some alternate way of getting into these zones. Regardless if it's just for "backflagging" reasons.
Only people that will be bitching are the trolls on the board..
As officer of my former guild it has been my personal long time goal to get into this zone. I've set a time frame of a few months and we really managed to kill several progression mobs, farmed keys over a few weeks and stuff. But in the end we failed...
Now you can have the same result in about 20 min of work, maximum 2 hours if you add the travel time and waiting for the spawn if the Efreeti has just been killed.
Of course there are always the whiners, who will complain no matter what, but I guess the critics of this quest would be considerably less aroused if the quest would be more complicated.
Look at the quest for exp access to Plane of Torment for example. Takes a lot of drops from all over the Tier 1 zones, you even have to learn Orcish iirc.
Now that is a reasonable work-reward-ratio and I think not many complained when it was introduced back then. This new quest however is a whole different matter...
Edited, Sat Jan 1 19:06:31 2005
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