Crown of Deceit  

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Maximum Level:110
Monster Mission:No
Can Be Shrouded?:No
Quest Type:Quest
Quest Goal:
  • Loot
Faction Required:
Frogloks of Guk (Min: Warmly)
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    Era:Planes of Power
    Group Size:Solo
    Min. # of Players:1
    Max. # of Players:1
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    Entered: Thu Dec 5 20:25:50 2002
    Modified: Fri Jan 4 23:11:28 2019
    Sage Balic may be found at the top of the tower in the neutral section of town at /location -15, 60.

    You say, 'Hail, Sage Balic'

    Sage Balic says 'Greetings friend. Welcome to my place of private contemplation. I relax here and leaf through my old studies, admiring at creations from the past made by races we thought would never amount to anything. My favorite tomes to look at are those that deal with Frogloks.'

    You say, 'What frogloks?'

    Sage Balic says 'A surprising race to study is the Frogloks of Antonica. While we may think their magic was weak, it was at one time so powerful the Gods reached down and smote them for their creations. Balls of energy that made life into magic! Their High Enchanter even made a mask that transformed the wearer into a Teir`Dal! Quite an interesting race worthy of some study if you ask me, someday I shall like to go and see these frogloks, especially to learn more knowledge of the magical mask.'

    You say, 'What magical mask?'

    Sage Balic blinks and looks at you. 'I have told you all that I know, for more knowledge you will need to seek its creator. The enchanter is more than likely very old, the mask having been made at the height of the power of the Froglok race. Here take this picture book to aid you in your quest.'

    Sage Balic hands you a Picturebook.

    In Upper Guk, find "an old froglok" (location 1280, +220, -94; PH = "a froglok ton shaman" but does not need to be killed as it will despawn in place of the old froglok).

    You must have at least 'warmly' faction (750) with Frogloks of Guk in order to get a response out of it. (Note: Undead frogloks in Old Sebilis give +25 faction per hit, so may be among the best kill targets for faction increases.)

    You say, 'Hail, an old froglok'

    an old froglok says 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk!'

    Give him the book.

    an old froglok backflips and says, 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk! I'm in this book! You see me! Owww that flip hurt my old bones! Frroooaaaaaakkkk! Look there is a picture of my maaask from long ago! Frroooaaaaaakkkk! I keep book! You taaake this recipe! Maaaybe more! I'm in book! Frroooaaaaaakkkk!'

    Your faction standing with Frogloks of Guk got better.

    You receive an Elf Essence Recipe, which reads:

    Grind up the parts of both the elves of dark and the elves of light, of which descended from the same tree. A source of celestial liquid as the base and the fungus from this scroll shall cause a reaction that will decant the pure essence.

    You say, 'What about the mask?'

    an old froglok says, 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk! Speciaaal maaask I maaake for sneaky types! Lost long ago! Baaad frogs taaake! I too old to maaake more! Frroooaaaaaakkkk! Maaagic aaalmost used up! So cold! You help me! I help you!'

    You say, 'I will help you.'

    an old froglok says, 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk! So cold! You bring me waaarm velium mastodon fur cloaaak! I need supplies! You bring me maaana juice! You bring me elf essence! You bring me sturdy froglock crown those naaasty big frogs stole! Frroooaaaaaakkkk! I maaake you something nice! So cold! You bring me all those things, don't forget cloaaak!'

    The Froglok needs four things:

    Elf Essence (crafted via baking)

    Reet Froglok Crown (drops in Old Sebilis from "reet" mobs in the juggernaut tunnels)

    Vial of Purified Mana (summoned by an enchanter via Purify Mana or Mass Purify Mana or crafted via research)

    Velium Mastodon Fur Cloak (crafted via tailoring)

    Hand all 4 items to the old froglok.

    an old froglok says 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk!!! This cloaaak so waaarm! Here let me work! Frroooaaaaaakkkk!' The old froglok goes to work on the crown and after uttering a few froaks, a small cloud of smoke rises from the crown. You reach over and pick it up. 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk! Maaagic haaat! Taaake good care of it aaand staay away from baaad frogs! Frroooaaaaaakkkk!'

    You receive the Crown of Deceit.
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    Frogloks of Guk faction stats for Crown of Deceit quest
    # Jan 01 2019 at 9:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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    After playing around with the new faction window, I found out some numbers.

    750 (warmly) is the exact amount of faction with Frogloks of Guk required to talk to an old froglok, and to do the turn-ins for Crown of Deceit. I tested 749, 750, 751 to pin it down. Kill undead frogs to raise your faction.

    The base faction with Frogloks of Guk is -499 (dubious). If you created a new level 1 agnostic human, for example, his faction would start at that number. And it would max out at +1501 (ally) after gaining as much faction as you can.

    Certain evil races have a race faction penalty, on top of the base faction penalty: Dark Elf -151, Ogre -251, Troll -501, Iksar -501. But this is no problem -- you can neutralize the race penalty by using an illusion for any of the other player races. Those 12 races are: Barbarian, Drakkin, Dwarf, Erudite, Gnome, Guktan, Half-elf, Halfling, High Elf, Human, Vah Shir, Wood Elf. Other types of illusions have no effect, I even tried Druid shared wolf form, and Froglok illusion.

    But wait, there is another faction penalty if you worship one of these evil deities: Bertoxxulous -1000, Cazic Thule -1000, Innoruuk -1000, Rallos Zek -250. The penalty for Bertox, Cazic, and Inny is so severe it causes your faction to max out at +501 (kindly), even with an illusion, which is not enough to do the quest. Luckily there is the Scalp of the Ghoul Lord which is designed for this situation -- the scalp gains you +250, raising your max faction level to +751 (warmly). So if you are Bertox, Cazic, or Inny, you will need to go loot the scalp from the ghoul lord in Lower Guk and equip it, as well as use an illusion, in order to do the quest. And Rallos Zek fans, the scalp could help you too. I don't know why Veeshan is listed on the scalp because that deity does not have a faction penalty with Frogloks of Guk. [Note that certain characters who are not all that evil might still be able to equip the scalp. If your deity is not listed on the scalp and you manage to equip it, the scalp will turn yellow, which means you get no stats from it and no faction boost. Some posters below said it worked, but that must have been a temporary bug.]
    # May 26 2017 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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    Just wanted to make a post to hopefully help some on the factioning part of this quest. The two ogres in Grobb are by far the easiest and quickest way to max your faction. There names are Mulg and Prashnak. If you use brewalls maps, they are marked on the maps on the east side of Grobb. They respawn very fast, and they give +150 faction every kill. When you max your faction you may still con indifferent, dubious, amiable, etc to the frogloks in upper guk. This is all based on your deity, so yes even having max faction will not get you to ally in this case. There are some ways to fix this. One is through illusion, one that worked for me to gain faction was high elf which I used from Gore-Splattered Shoulders. If you don't have those buy or make essence of high elf which will give you the illusion. For me that still didn't give me warmly faction, so I had to obtain the Scalp of the Ghoul Lord which comes from the Ghoul Lord in lower guk. It has a low drop rate, but I was able to obtain in 8 clears. Respawn timer is 24min. With both the scalp and the illusion I conned warmly to the frogloks in upper guk. Good luck, a fun illusion and definitely worth the quest.
    # Oct 10 2017 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent
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    Human illusion (VT crown, etc.) also works for evil races to boost amiably -> warmly.
    # Feb 25 2017 at 9:13 PM Rating: Decent
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    Mulg and Prashnak in Grobb both give +150 to Frogloks of Guk faction on a fairly fast respawn. As long as you don't mind upsetting the surrounding trolls, I found this to be a very fast way to max faction.
    # Aug 30 2018 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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    It is worth noting that although these 2 don't hit very hard (maybe max 140ish), they have a boatload of hit points. Definitely over 1,000,000. I did a headshot for 750,000, and took him down about half-ish
    # Aug 30 2018 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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    I thought I would add some more detail. First, their hps are probably closer to 2 million. It's like beating on a brick wall.

    Anyway, they are located in the Shaman guild hall area. In the courtyard you find Mulg. He is near Carver, and Carver and 2 Bashers will agro when you tag Mulg. They are wimps though.. maybe 5k hps. My ranger would 1 round them.

    Prashnak is through the door and up the stairs standing beside a red pool. 2 Bashers from above will agro when you tag Prashnak (also wimps).

    These 2 spawn in ~ 4-5 minutes, and everything else is longer. I could kill these 2 twice before the Bashers respawned.

    I agree with everyone else that this is by far the easiest way to max faction... if you don't mind killing trolls.
    # Aug 10 2015 at 12:25 AM Rating: Decent
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    I think there is some confusion about frog factions here. The Frogs in old Seb are not all undead. You can find the undead frogs around the crypt area.
    The undead frogs do indeed give a +25 hit to Frogs of Guk, the +50 hit is to the Frogs of Krup.
    If you are getting a +1 hit to Frogs of Guk you are not killing the undead frogs...
    Kill everything around the crypt area, the spawns can be either skelly or frogs, so dont leave skellies up, couple hours of clearing here will get you to ally np. Or if you're high enough level, stand in the first 3 way when you enter the pyramid, 3 static and roamers there, let your merc kill overnight while you sleep =)
    # Aug 07 2015 at 8:56 PM Rating: Decent
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    Was just doing the undead frogs in OS and they were only giving +1 live guk faction
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    # Jun 16 2014 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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    Since they're added numbers to faction hits, I can say that the best place to grind faction is the undead frogs in Sebilis. Each one gave a whopping +25 to froglok faction.
    Best Faction
    # Jul 06 2015 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
    It has become +50 faction to Frogloks of Guk when killing undead frogloks in Old Sebilis.
    ".... madness, as you know, is a lot like gravity, all it takes is a little.... push." - The Joker
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    # Nov 18 2018 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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    This is incorrect. Either you were doing this during a double faction bonus period, or you misread. Frogloks of Krup faction is boosted by 50, but Frogloks of Guk remains at 25 per kill.
    Best Faction
    # Aug 13 2014 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
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    I have been hunting in Old Sebilis for the faction (Vulak progression server) and am only getting +1 to the Frogloks of Guk/Krup factions. Lots of frogs though.
    Best Faction
    # Nov 18 2018 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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    This was likely caused by killing the wrong frogs. Reet frogs and other variations of "living" frogs will only give 1 faction at a time. Undead in the crypt area are give the massive gains of 25 per kill.
    Still doable with Troll!
    # Dec 19 2013 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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    Max faction I could get with Frogloks of Guk was indiff. With scalp brought me to amiable. Cast illusion:guktan with chanter onto zerker and it brought me to kindly. Hope this helps, not sure if it is possible to do it any other way as a Cazic worshiping troll
    My experience
    # Dec 01 2013 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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    I just wanted to detail my experience with this faction. As a Dark Elf SK who worships Innoruuk, it took roughly 2200 faction hits (from logs) to get from somewhere in Ready to Attack bracket (not max KOS) to Amiably. It maxed out on Amiably. about 2000 of those came from old Sebilis, swarming trains in the east wing. Wolf form didn't seem to do anything (have a Druid in tow), so now I'm camping the ghoul lord for the scalp. I'm not sure if this was nerfed at sometime in the past, I remember it working when I did it on my Druid many years ago. No one is on selling any good race illusion atm, so I'll camp a bit. ;)
    My experience
    # Dec 01 2013 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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    Just something to add, essence of Erudite and Gnome also work. I got up to warmly using them and the scalp from the ghoul lord.
    Easy peasy
    # May 20 2013 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
    96 cleric on Drinal-Maelin server. Started at dubious to the old froglok, 2 days later of some slacking and I'm at kindly, turn in the book to him you're at warmly.Only need WARMLY faction to get his response "Frrrrrroaaaaakkk!" Combine the actual recipe with celestial essence, wood and dark elf parts and that makes "elf essence", That part wasn't clear enough I didn't think. Reet helm took about an hour give or take a few.(lucky) The rest was smooth sailing and now I am 1 happy cleric! good luck everyone

    EDIT: Old Seb really is faster. no doubt. Just swarm pull the whole place with Vow of(insert), Ward of(insert), and Mark/Blood of the(insert). Also, if you can, bind yourself right at the stone in Trackanon's Teeth, saves you all that running time unless you are a druid or wiz who can port. Just use Throne of the Heros Vet AA, or if you don't have that, Origin AA.

    Edited, May 20th 2013 2:27am by LalyneAngelheart

    Edited, May 20th 2013 2:34am by LalyneAngelheart
    High Elf Illusion
    # May 05 2013 at 2:54 AM Rating: Default
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    DE SK of Inny, also maxed at Amiable. I tried a high elf illusion from a clicky I had from Lethar in Ashengate, jumped up to Kindly. Now I'm also trying to farm a scale to finish this off. :)
    essence of gnome / scalp of the ghoul lord works for DE SK
    # Jun 24 2012 at 10:13 PM Rating: Decent
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    95 DE Shadowknight that also hit max faction at amiable. After reading the necro post about using human illusion, I figured I would try the gnome illusion I had on me. It worked but only after I put on the scalp of the ghoul lord to bump my faction over the top.
    People only ask for advice for one of two reasons, either to justify what they have already decided to do, or to have someone to blame afterwards when they **** up.
    Amiable Max Faction
    # Mar 03 2012 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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    95 Dark Elf Necro - Hit max faction at "Amiable". Early in the factioning, I looted the Scalp of the Ghoul Lord (postive faction for Frogloks of Guk). When I went to hail the Old Froglok, I was still only "Kindly". Used a potion of human essence (since I had it on me already) and that gave me the boost to "Warmly". Just make sure you have another when you come back for the turn in.

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    froglok illusion and faction
    # Jun 02 2010 at 2:43 AM Rating: Decent
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    i got a shm to make me some froglok illusion pots ( ) but it did not raise my faction level at amiably. grinded seb some more, came back at kindly and again, did not raise my faction level. just to make sure, i waited for the old froglok to spawn and he indeed did not respond to me with my kindly faction and froglok illusion on. i don't know if there was some other froglok illusion these guys were talking about, but the one i linked does NOT help an agnostic kitty warrior (dubious to start with).
    froglok illusion and faction
    # Aug 08 2010 at 8:39 PM Rating: Default
    Don't know if you figured it out by now or not, but there is another illusion Illusion: Guktan. Froglok won't work, since some of them are evil, lol.
    All that is lost, is not Forsaken
    froglok illusion and faction
    # Sep 30 2010 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
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    Guktan doesn't work. At least for me. Just tried it on my rogue and no response.
    froglok illusion and faction
    # Oct 11 2011 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
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    Essence of Gukta (Illusion Guktan) is the correct one (not Froglok). It will raise your faction enough IF you are within the range of it's power. However, it will not always be enough to raise you to the next level. So it can be somewhat deceptive.

    Edited, Oct 11th 2011 7:35am by KathleenF

    Edited, Oct 11th 2011 7:35am by KathleenF
    minimum faction needed
    # Nov 30 2009 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
    What is the minimum faction required for this step? Is the faction Frogloks of Guk?

    The faction of concern is indeed Frogloks of Guk. I worked my faction up with them, checking the Old Froglok's response to my hails along the way. The minimum faction needed for him to respond is 'warmly'.

    -- Scruetayp Vivisectivore, 79 Iksar Necromancer of Quellious
    location and PH
    # Nov 30 2009 at 10:13 PM Rating: Decent
    In Upper Guk find an old froglok (/loc? placeholder?).

    location = +1281.93, +218.19, -94.22

    placeholder is "a froglok ton shaman".

    However, you do not need to kill this "placeholder". If the froglok ton shaman is up, it will despawn within an hour, and the Old Froglok will spawn a few seconds later.

    -- Scruetayp Vivisectivore, 79 Iksar Necromancer of Quellious
    location and PH
    # Oct 23 2015 at 11:18 PM Rating: Good
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    Old froglok will not automatically spawn after shaman despawns. Shaman may respawn multiple times before Old froglok spawns. I have waited 4 cycles and saw shaman repop every time. I killed shaman and 15 mins later shaman popped again. I am now just playing waiting game for old froglok to spawn. I dont want to hurt my faction.
    location and PH
    # Oct 24 2015 at 5:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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    blayds wrote:
    Old froglok will not automatically spawn after shaman despawns. Shaman may respawn multiple times before Old froglok spawns. I have waited 4 cycles and saw shaman repop every time. I killed shaman and 15 mins later shaman popped again. I am now just playing waiting game for old froglok to spawn. I dont want to hurt my faction.

    Don't kill any of the frogs!

    korika wrote:
    His location is : 1281.93, 218.19, -94.22

    In the north part of the zone (upper guk) there is a big "swiming pool" with an "island" in the middle and 3 frogs on it.
    From the center, take the "bridge" to the south, jump down of swiming pool and go head.
    You must see a lamp in the first corner with no frog in this corner.
    Turn to the right and just befor the stairs there is another lamp in NW corner with a frog near it.
    This is the place !

    You dont have to kill it, this is not a "PH" but the place where the old frog pop every 40 min for 30 min.
    You just have to wait and she will pop, YOU DONT HAVE TO KILL ANY FROGS !

    Copy and paste this into the bottom of your guktop_1 map for his spawn point.
    P -215.8420, -1267.6025, -97.9667, 0, 0, 0, 1, Old_Froglok

    I am a dark elf from innoruuk (Evil race).
    I have max my faction by killing undead frogs in lower guk.

    Evil race + Scalp + faction maxed = Kindly
    Good race + max faction = Ally

    Then if you are an evil race, you MUST use "Scalp of the Ghoul Lord" from "the ghoul lord" in lower guk AND a light race illusion.

    Edited, Oct 24th 2015 7:27pm by snailish
    question about scalp
    # Aug 31 2009 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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    the scalp faction piece , bards cant equip can i still reach warmly with out that scalp?
    Froglok Reets
    # Jan 12 2009 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
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    Killed about 200 of the reets, got 3 Reet Froglok Crowns and one ruby crown which looked like the reet froglok crown. In fact it looked so much like it that we thought it was it. When we thought we was done we was not... lucky that we noticed before that one toon had looted the fake.

    The spawn time is about 26 to 29 mins long on the reets and there is about 11 to 13 of them. They are in the alcoves past invis wall on the way to Trakanon.

    All the mobs in the waste summon. The non named frogs in Seb do not summon, but the golems and bugs do. Trakanon Summons, Froglok Reets summons.

    Took about 19 hours to get 3 peeps to warmly, kill the mastadons, get the reet froklok crown and do combines, shop for tradeskill stuffs and do turn-ins.

    Looted everything on all mobs and all zones.
    It all sold for about 18k to 23k to vendors mostly.

    When I went to Upper Guk... to get the quest I waited 2hrs for the old froglok and he did not spawn. I killed the ph 2 times, and the old frog spawned.

    When I went back for turn-in I killed the ph 1 time waited about 15 mins and old frog spawned.

    # Nov 27 2008 at 6:30 AM Rating: Decent
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    faction i have been told is warmly
    # Sep 15 2009 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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    looks like it may need to be ally... friend just did turn in with kindly and did not work.
    # Jan 07 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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    That's because Warmly is higher than Kindly. You only need warmly, not ally.
    MQ crown?
    # Jul 30 2008 at 3:23 AM Rating: Decent
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    Can this crown be MQ'd?
    Faction Confirmation
    # Jun 11 2008 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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    Confirmed June 11, 2008 - Warm faction with Frogloks of Guk needed as minimum. I hailed at every point from indifferent up and did not get him to acknowledge me until I hit "an old froglok looks upon you warmly" Also, killing the undead frogloks in Lower Guk raised my faction the fastest.
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    Crown of Deceit
    # May 30 2008 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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    The old Froglok in Upper Guk was found at /loc 1281, 218, -92 which is on the bottom part of Upper Guk, the 2nd last turn before the North-east "pond" that has a river zoneline into Lower Guk.

    He conned kindly to me and would not take the book. With the Ghoul Lord's Scalp he conned warmly and took the book and then the remaining pieces.

    I earned AAxp from the turn-in at 65, but have a low AA count.

    Poison vendors and the general merchants at fishing pond in Plane of Knowledge were the easiest place to do the celestial essence combine.

    Wood Elf parts took 7 bandit kills in Gfay just north of the Luclin Spires.

    Dark Elf parts drop readily in najena and Dulak, I just bought mine in baz.

    Reet Crown took two clearing of the reets towards Trakanon to drop for me. I had group support for this.

    Velium Mastodon Fur Cloak I was lucky and able to buy a completed one in baz, was also some selling the furs. Others have said south end of Western Wastes is the place to hunt this.

    Vial of purified mana: I have an enchanter so just needed to buy 4 rubies and the poison vial.

    The faction itself took a long time for what many would like. I killed mostly in Old Sebilis as it was more lucrative for drops and some XP.

    Item clicks from inventory with a cast time, I am happy with it.

    Edit: added "in Plane of Knowledge"

    Edited, May 30th 2008 4:41pm by snailish
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    # Sep 09 2008 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent

    Very helpful post, Snail. Thank you

    # Nov 26 2007 at 12:37 PM Rating: Default
    I'd be willing to bet that the illusion only raises your faction about 200 points or so - which for me bumped me up a faction level (I was probably close to a level increase), while for you it didn't do anything since the faction level is much wider (not close enough to get bumped to the next faction level).

    Ally = 1450 to 2500 points
    Warmly = 1100 to 1450
    Kindly = 750 to 1100
    Amiable = 150 to 750
    Indifferent = 0 to 150
    Apprehensive = 0 to -150
    Dubious = -150 to -750
    Threateningly = -750 to -1100
    Ready to Attack = -1100 to -2500
    Durdaen Darkpoint
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    # Jan 22 2008 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
    i can second this post. i was amiable, and was sure that using the "facts" post below, id have my crap in my hot little hands.

    instead, when i threw on the guktan illusion, i went from amiable to--

    amiable. then i put my scalp on and went from amiable to--


    you can imagine how pissed i was to have to keep factioning in this god forsaken zone.
    # Jan 23 2008 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
    also, when i hit the bare bottom of kindly, the scalp took me to warmly.
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