Crown of Deceit  

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Level:55
Maximum Level:105
Monster Mission:No
Repeatable:Yes
Can Be Shrouded?:No
Quest Type:Quest
Quest Goal:
  • Loot
Faction Required:
Frogloks of Guk (Min: Warmly)
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Era:Planes of Power
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Group Size:Solo
Min. # of Players:1
Max. # of Players:1
Appropriate Classes:
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Entered: Thu Dec 5 14:25:50 2002
Modified: Mon Jun 16 16:29:18 2014
Sage Balic may be found at the top of the tower in the neutral section of town at /location -15, 60.

You say, 'Hail, Sage Balic'

Sage Balic says 'Greetings friend. Welcome to my place of private contemplation. I relax here and leaf through my old studies, admiring at creations from the past made by races we thought would never amount to anything. My favorite tomes to look at are those that deal with Frogloks.'

You say, 'What frogloks?'

Sage Balic says 'A surprising race to study is the Frogloks of Antonica. While we may think their magic was weak, it was at one time so powerful the Gods reached down and smote them for their creations. Balls of energy that made life into magic! Their High Enchanter even made a mask that transformed the wearer into a Teir`Dal! Quite an interesting race worthy of some study if you ask me, someday I shall like to go and see these frogloks, especially to learn more knowledge of the magical mask.'

You say, 'What magical mask?'

Sage Balic blinks and looks at you. 'I have told you all that I know, for more knowledge you will need to seek its creator. The enchanter is more than likely very old, the mask having been made at the height of the power of the Froglok race. Here take this picture book to aid you in your quest.'

Sage Balic hands you a Picturebook.

In Upper Guk, find "an old froglok" (location 1280, +220, -94; PH = "a froglok ton shaman" but does not need to be killed as it will despawn in place of the old froglok).

You must have at least 'warmly' faction with Frogloks of Guk in order to get a response out of it. (Note: Undead frogloks in Old Sebilis give +25 faction per hit, so may be among the best kill targets for faction increases.)

You say, 'Hail, an old froglok'

an old froglok says 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk!'

Give him the book.

an old froglok backflips and says, 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk! I'm in this book! You see me! Owww that flip hurt my old bones! Frroooaaaaaakkkk! Look there is a picture of my maaask from long ago! Frroooaaaaaakkkk! I keep book! You taaake this recipe! Maaaybe more! I'm in book! Frroooaaaaaakkkk!'

Your faction standing with Frogloks of Guk got better.

You receive an Elf Essence Recipe, which reads:

Grind up the parts of both the elves of dark and the elves of light, of which descended from the same tree. A source of celestial liquid as the base and the fungus from this scroll shall cause a reaction that will decant the pure essence.

You say, 'What about the mask?'

an old froglok says, 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk! Speciaaal maaask I maaake for sneaky types! Lost long ago! Baaad frogs taaake! I too old to maaake more! Frroooaaaaaakkkk! Maaagic aaalmost used up! So cold! You help me! I help you!'

You say, 'I will help you.'

an old froglok says, 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk! So cold! You bring me waaarm velium mastodon fur cloaaak! I need supplies! You bring me maaana juice! You bring me elf essence! You bring me sturdy froglock crown those naaasty big frogs stole! Frroooaaaaaakkkk! I maaake you something nice! So cold! You bring me all those things, don't forget cloaaak!'

The Froglok needs four things:

Elf Essence (crafted via baking)

Reet Froglok Crown (drops in Old Sebilis from "reet" mobs in the juggernaut tunnels)

Vial of Purified Mana (summoned by an enchanter via Purify Mana or Mass Purify Mana or crafted via research)

Velium Mastodon Fur Cloak (crafted via tailoring)

Hand all 4 items to the old froglok.

an old froglok says 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk!!! This cloaaak so waaarm! Here let me work! Frroooaaaaaakkkk!' The old froglok goes to work on the crown and after uttering a few froaks, a small cloud of smoke rises from the crown. You reach over and pick it up. 'Frroooaaaaaakkkk! Maaagic haaat! Taaake good care of it aaand staay away from baaad frogs! Frroooaaaaaakkkk!'

You receive the Crown of Deceit.
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Best Faction
# Jun 16 2014 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Since they're added numbers to faction hits, I can say that the best place to grind faction is the undead frogs in Sebilis. Each one gave a whopping +25 to froglok faction.
Best Faction
# Aug 13 2014 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
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I have been hunting in Old Sebilis for the faction (Vulak progression server) and am only getting +1 to the Frogloks of Guk/Krup factions. Lots of frogs though.
Still doable with Troll!
# Dec 19 2013 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Max faction I could get with Frogloks of Guk was indiff. With scalp brought me to amiable. Cast illusion:guktan with chanter onto zerker and it brought me to kindly. Hope this helps, not sure if it is possible to do it any other way as a Cazic worshiping troll
My experience
# Dec 01 2013 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I just wanted to detail my experience with this faction. As a Dark Elf SK who worships Innoruuk, it took roughly 2200 faction hits (from logs) to get from somewhere in Ready to Attack bracket (not max KOS) to Amiably. It maxed out on Amiably. about 2000 of those came from old Sebilis, swarming trains in the east wing. Wolf form didn't seem to do anything (have a Druid in tow), so now I'm camping the ghoul lord for the scalp. I'm not sure if this was nerfed at sometime in the past, I remember it working when I did it on my Druid many years ago. No one is on selling any good race illusion atm, so I'll camp a bit. ;)
My experience
# Dec 01 2013 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Just something to add, essence of Erudite and Gnome also work. I got up to warmly using them and the scalp from the ghoul lord.
Easy peasy
# May 20 2013 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
96 cleric on Drinal-Maelin server. Started at dubious to the old froglok, 2 days later of some slacking and I'm at kindly, turn in the book to him you're at warmly.Only need WARMLY faction to get his response "Frrrrrroaaaaakkk!" Combine the actual recipe with celestial essence, wood and dark elf parts and that makes "elf essence", That part wasn't clear enough I didn't think. Reet helm took about an hour give or take a few.(lucky) The rest was smooth sailing and now I am 1 happy cleric! good luck everyone

EDIT: Old Seb really is faster. no doubt. Just swarm pull the whole place with Vow of(insert), Ward of(insert), and Mark/Blood of the(insert). Also, if you can, bind yourself right at the stone in Trackanon's Teeth, saves you all that running time unless you are a druid or wiz who can port. Just use Throne of the Heros Vet AA, or if you don't have that, Origin AA.

Edited, May 20th 2013 2:27am by LalyneAngelheart

Edited, May 20th 2013 2:34am by LalyneAngelheart
High Elf Illusion
# May 05 2013 at 2:54 AM Rating: Default
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DE SK of Inny, also maxed at Amiable. I tried a high elf illusion from a clicky I had from Lethar in Ashengate, jumped up to Kindly. Now I'm also trying to farm a scale to finish this off. :)
essence of gnome / scalp of the ghoul lord works for DE SK
# Jun 24 2012 at 10:13 PM Rating: Decent
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95 DE Shadowknight that also hit max faction at amiable. After reading the necro post about using human illusion, I figured I would try the gnome illusion I had on me. It worked but only after I put on the scalp of the ghoul lord to bump my faction over the top.
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Amiable Max Faction
# Mar 03 2012 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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95 Dark Elf Necro - Hit max faction at "Amiable". Early in the factioning, I looted the Scalp of the Ghoul Lord (postive faction for Frogloks of Guk). When I went to hail the Old Froglok, I was still only "Kindly". Used a potion of human essence (since I had it on me already) and that gave me the boost to "Warmly". Just make sure you have another when you come back for the turn in.

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froglok illusion and faction
# Jun 02 2010 at 2:43 AM Rating: Decent
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i got a shm to make me some froglok illusion pots ( http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=66451 ) but it did not raise my faction level at amiably. grinded seb some more, came back at kindly and again, did not raise my faction level. just to make sure, i waited for the old froglok to spawn and he indeed did not respond to me with my kindly faction and froglok illusion on. i don't know if there was some other froglok illusion these guys were talking about, but the one i linked does NOT help an agnostic kitty warrior (dubious to start with).
froglok illusion and faction
# Aug 08 2010 at 8:39 PM Rating: Default
Don't know if you figured it out by now or not, but there is another illusion Illusion: Guktan. Froglok won't work, since some of them are evil, lol.
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froglok illusion and faction
# Sep 30 2010 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Guktan doesn't work. At least for me. Just tried it on my rogue and no response.
froglok illusion and faction
# Oct 11 2011 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Essence of Gukta (Illusion Guktan) is the correct one (not Froglok). It will raise your faction enough IF you are within the range of it's power. However, it will not always be enough to raise you to the next level. So it can be somewhat deceptive.

Edited, Oct 11th 2011 7:35am by KathleenF

Edited, Oct 11th 2011 7:35am by KathleenF
minimum faction needed
# Nov 30 2009 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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What is the minimum faction required for this step? Is the faction Frogloks of Guk?


The faction of concern is indeed Frogloks of Guk. I worked my faction up with them, checking the Old Froglok's response to my hails along the way. The minimum faction needed for him to respond is 'warmly'.

-- Scruetayp Vivisectivore, 79 Iksar Necromancer of Quellious
location and PH
# Nov 30 2009 at 10:13 PM Rating: Decent
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In Upper Guk find an old froglok (/loc? placeholder?).

location = +1281.93, +218.19, -94.22

placeholder is "a froglok ton shaman".

However, you do not need to kill this "placeholder". If the froglok ton shaman is up, it will despawn within an hour, and the Old Froglok will spawn a few seconds later.

-- Scruetayp Vivisectivore, 79 Iksar Necromancer of Quellious
question about scalp
# Aug 31 2009 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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the scalp faction piece , bards cant equip can i still reach warmly with out that scalp?
Froglok Reets
# Jan 12 2009 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Killed about 200 of the reets, got 3 Reet Froglok Crowns and one ruby crown which looked like the reet froglok crown. In fact it looked so much like it that we thought it was it. When we thought we was done we was not... lucky that we noticed before that one toon had looted the fake.

The spawn time is about 26 to 29 mins long on the reets and there is about 11 to 13 of them. They are in the alcoves past invis wall on the way to Trakanon.

All the mobs in the waste summon. The non named frogs in Seb do not summon, but the golems and bugs do. Trakanon Summons, Froglok Reets summons.

Took about 19 hours to get 3 peeps to warmly, kill the mastadons, get the reet froklok crown and do combines, shop for tradeskill stuffs and do turn-ins.

Looted everything on all mobs and all zones.
It all sold for about 18k to 23k to vendors mostly.

When I went to Upper Guk... to get the quest I waited 2hrs for the old froglok and he did not spawn. I killed the ph 2 times, and the old frog spawned.

When I went back for turn-in I killed the ph 1 time waited about 15 mins and old frog spawned.





faction
# Nov 27 2008 at 6:30 AM Rating: Decent
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faction i have been told is warmly
faction
# Sep 15 2009 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
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looks like it may need to be ally... friend just did turn in with kindly and did not work.
faction
# Jan 07 2010 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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That's because Warmly is higher than Kindly. You only need warmly, not ally.
MQ crown?
# Jul 30 2008 at 3:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Can this crown be MQ'd?
Faction Confirmation
# Jun 11 2008 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Confirmed June 11, 2008 - Warm faction with Frogloks of Guk needed as minimum. I hailed at every point from indifferent up and did not get him to acknowledge me until I hit "an old froglok looks upon you warmly" Also, killing the undead frogloks in Lower Guk raised my faction the fastest.
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Crown of Deceit
# May 30 2008 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
The old Froglok in Upper Guk was found at /loc 1281, 218, -92 which is on the bottom part of Upper Guk, the 2nd last turn before the North-east "pond" that has a river zoneline into Lower Guk.

He conned kindly to me and would not take the book. With the Ghoul Lord's Scalp he conned warmly and took the book and then the remaining pieces.

I earned AAxp from the turn-in at 65, but have a low AA count.

Poison vendors and the general merchants at fishing pond in Plane of Knowledge were the easiest place to do the celestial essence combine.

Wood Elf parts took 7 bandit kills in Gfay just north of the Luclin Spires.

Dark Elf parts drop readily in najena and Dulak, I just bought mine in baz.

Reet Crown took two clearing of the reets towards Trakanon to drop for me. I had group support for this.

Velium Mastodon Fur Cloak I was lucky and able to buy a completed one in baz, was also some selling the furs. Others have said south end of Western Wastes is the place to hunt this.

Vial of purified mana: I have an enchanter so just needed to buy 4 rubies and the poison vial.

The faction itself took a long time for what many would like. I killed mostly in Old Sebilis as it was more lucrative for drops and some XP.

Item clicks from inventory with a cast time, I am happy with it.

Edit: added "in Plane of Knowledge"

Edited, May 30th 2008 4:41pm by snailish
Crown of Deceit
# Sep 09 2008 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent


Very helpful post, Snail. Thank you

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Finished
# Nov 26 2007 at 12:37 PM Rating: Default
I'd be willing to bet that the illusion only raises your faction about 200 points or so - which for me bumped me up a faction level (I was probably close to a level increase), while for you it didn't do anything since the faction level is much wider (not close enough to get bumped to the next faction level).

Ally = 1450 to 2500 points
Warmly = 1100 to 1450
Kindly = 750 to 1100
Amiable = 150 to 750
Indifferent = 0 to 150
Apprehensive = 0 to -150
Dubious = -150 to -750
Threateningly = -750 to -1100
Ready to Attack = -1100 to -2500
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# Jan 22 2008 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
i can second this post. i was amiable, and was sure that using the "facts" post below, id have my crap in my hot little hands.

instead, when i threw on the guktan illusion, i went from amiable to--

amiable. then i put my scalp on and went from amiable to--

amiable.

you can imagine how ****** i was to have to keep factioning in this god forsaken zone.
Finished
# Jan 23 2008 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
also, when i hit the bare bottom of kindly, the scalp took me to warmly.
Ok some *facts*
# Sep 26 2007 at 9:11 PM Rating: Default
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Now that I've done this quest a few times, I can give some pointers:

1. Faction. Sebilis frogs and LGuk frogs give exactly the same faction hit. So if you want exp while factioning, go to LGuk in your 40s-50s, and if you're in your upper 50s-60s go to Sebilis. Else, if you're like me and 75 and just want to slaughter for faction, go to LGuk. More frogs, they die quicker, and no one will bother you, and significantly less risk of death if you need to /afk a min or two.

2. Quest items. The mastodon furs are a *****. Bring a tracker. They hang out mostly in the southern half of the zone, and tend to path quite a bit by the west coast of Western Wastes. If you have high CoV faction, you won't need to fear the dragons, but the wolves and other wanderers (especially burrowers) can be a pain. Wood elf parts drop very commonly at the "Ranger Outpost" in Lesser Faydark. Dark elf parts drop very commonly off magicians in Najena. Both very easy to get to, and very very easy to kill. Reet crown is an annoying camp, but if you just keep clearing the juggs/reets area, you'll do fine. Again, if you're in your 60s, this can be a good exp camp for you if you know what you're doing. Good way to get your 50-60 spells too if you don't already have them, and cash from gems. Ghoul Lord Scalp drops about 1 every 5 Ghoul Lords. Be patient. Clear all of LGuk dead side once or twice a day, and just wait for him to repop. This will net you about 5 kills (if no PH), and one should have the scalp. I've let so many rot by now I can't keep track. A good way to check faction without zoning is to /con the froglok slaves in the frenzied room, executioner's room, and the 4-way crossroads leading towards the Ghoul Lord.

3. Tradeskill stuff. Platinum thread is sold in Abysmal Sea on not the top deck, or the one below it, but the one below that by Viliani something-something. You can also buy Celestial Solvent in Abysmal.

4. Pet classes. If you're a pet class with enough HP to withstand a very very light beating, I recommend you /afk in the ghoul executioner's room in LGuk. Give your best melee DPS pet (for necros I'd recommend warrior pet, cause ***** won't always get to backstab down there) a set of pet toys, and make sure you've got a lot of HP/ac/avoidance/shielding and when you wake up, you should be about 200-250 faction hits richer each night you do this. Then, as I mentioned, just clear LGuk dead side once or twice a day (will take no time with DS potion and pet at level 75, or DS potion and haste is you're a melee type). In a couple days I've gone from max KOS to indifferent.

** NOTE: If going AFK with pet out, do NOT use any kind of familiar for the effect (e.g. the +5 regen shroom familiar). While we all know that these familiars give the effect even though it doesn't summon the familiar, once that effect wears off (6 hours) your pet will *poof* and you will be standing there like a fool while a bunch of green/grey mobs wail on you. LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...

5. Illusion Potions. You want Illusion: Guktan. This comes from Essence of Guktan. Easily found in the bazaar. This will raise your faction 2 levels with the frogs. You need warmly to talk to the Old Froglok. The Ghoul Lord Scalp, when worn, raises faction an additional level. So, for us Iksar types, get indifferent, put on the scalp to get to amiable. Cast the illusion to go from amiable to kindly/warmly (may be close depending on how far into "indifferent" you were). This should put you right with Old Froglok, if you con warmly to him.

Take care. Good luck. Don't go nuts.

Edited, Sep 27th 2007 1:17am by Fyrewalker
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re: Ok some *facts*
# Jan 01 2008 at 3:19 AM Rating: Good
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Just an FYI: in G'Fay at the bandit camp that people get sent to for their noob bracer armor quest on the good side of Pok, ( children of the Fay ) there are woodelf bandits ( level 9 mobs ) that drop the parts needed as well, and no negative fac hits except for Fizzlethorp.
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Ok some *facts*
# Nov 01 2007 at 2:50 AM Rating: Decent
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after 6 hours of killing all the reets as fast as they spawn i finally got...NOTHING. wondering whether this quest is designed like this that the crown will never drop before i hand the old froglok his picture book. any idea?
should i go to kill for faction and give old froglok his picturebook before i camp for this crown? Thanks a lot to whoever that answers...
Ok some *facts*
# Dec 25 2007 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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mystarlight wrote:
after 6 hours of killing all the reets as fast as they spawn i finally got...NOTHING. wondering whether this quest is designed like this that the crown will never drop before i hand the old froglok his picture book. any idea?
should i go to kill for faction and give old froglok his picturebook before i camp for this crown? Thanks a lot to whoever that answers...




I just finished the quest yesterday and I can guarantee you that you do not need to have the faction part done before you can get the crown. I got the crown at least 20 levels before I did the turn-in. I am currently camping the reets on my bard and I've been here for at least 4 hours. I have about 15 spells and no crowns yet.




Edited, Dec 25th 2007 12:15pm by mirogil
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# Sep 17 2007 at 8:57 AM Rating: Default
Started KoS to Frogs of Guk. Killed enough Frogs in Old Sebilis to get to kindly. Got sick of killing frogs way out in Old Sebilis (better cash and drops then the ones in Lower Guk - and took about the same amount of effort to kill), so I made a trip to the Bazaar to buy the shaman made illusion potions:

Illusion Frogluk

and

Illusion Gukta

I tried illusion frogluk first, but it did not change my faction. So I tried illusion gukta. The illusion took me for kindly to warmly, and I was able to finish this quest without hitting my max positive faction (I never received "Your faction standing with the Frogluks of Guk can not get any better").

Thought this might save others a few extra days/hours of mind-numbing factioning.
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# Oct 17 2007 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Just tried the illusion gukta potion on my war , doesn,t seem to work anymore.
Was amiably (far in killed about 1000mobs in Lguk) and the illusion did nothing for me.
Just back to the gind now then
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# Aug 15 2007 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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What exactly do you combine the Vial of Purified Mana from an Enchanter (no-fail combine):
4 Rubies
Poison Vial x1

IN I cant find anything to make the combine.
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# Aug 24 2007 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Its a lvl 45 chanter Spell that is cast... If the Chanter has the vial and rubies they cast http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=696 and poof... They have the Vial of Purified Mana in hand... So nothing to combine in... Just find your friendly neighborhood crack dealer...
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# Aug 14 2007 at 3:14 AM Rating: Decent
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can u be kindly with cap and get to warmly will it still work?
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# Jul 10 2007 at 5:51 AM Rating: Decent
Faction Bracket Lvl Culm
Ally.........=.1450..to..2500..1050.5000
Warmly.......=.1100..to..1450..0350.3950
Kindly ......=.0750..to..1100..0350.3600
Amiable......=.0150..to..0750..0600.3250
Indifferent..=.0000..to..0150..0150.2650
Apprehensive....=(0150).to..0000..0150.2500
Dubious......=(0750).to.)0150).0600.2350
Threatening..=(1100).to.(0750).0350.1750
Rdy.to.Atk...=(2500).to.(1100).1400.1400

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Edited, Jul 10th 2007 9:56am by Reamas
i cant find it
# Jun 18 2007 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
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i cant find item what lv floor os he on
Finished the crown this week
# Jun 15 2007 at 5:08 AM Rating: Decent
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As a gnome SK with Bertoxxoulos for my deity, I reached my maximum faction with the frogs at kindly (with the message that my faction cannot get any better). Together with the ghoul lord's cap this was sufficient to do the turn-in.

I did not keep a count of the frogs I did in, so I cannot be sure, but I had the impression that it were less kills than expected from the numbers needed to getting the faction. It might be true, that the lord does give a larger boost than the standard undead frog.
Using an illusion did not help me. but that might be because gnomes are not an evil race and have no problems with the gukta.
Faction
# Jun 05 2007 at 5:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Confirmed that you need to be considered warmly to an old froglok to finish this quest. Indifferent to kindly has him say, "You need to prove your dedication to our cause before I am willing to discuss such matters with you." Anything below that yields the typical angry NPC messages.

Also, I find that clearing Lower Guk is the best means for faction. This is because I found out that the ghoul lord gives a hefty faction hit, or so it would seem. It was still faster than Sebilis.
What about bards?
# May 28 2007 at 5:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Anyone know if having a bard with faction song come along would help at all?
What about bards?
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i sang faction song on him and, from where i am with faction now, it took me from where he says "you need to improve your faction," to the point where he says "'Frroooaaaaaakkkk!'"
still took me hours of sebilis and guk factioning...

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Working
# Apr 19 2007 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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If you use a mixing bowl this combine now works.
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Combine messed up
# Apr 08 2007 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Right now I can't even do the Elf Essence Combine. The combine button is all grayed out. Getting Very annoying.
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Combine messed up
# Apr 18 2007 at 9:01 PM Rating: Decent
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The combine is now fixed with the 4/18/2007 patch. I just did it - use a "mixing bowl"
Combine messed up
# Apr 08 2007 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm getting the exact same problem with the button being greyed out! I've tried zoning... several times, other containers like a mixing bowl, a glaze mortar and all give a DNC message.

I wonder how many centuries it will take them to fix this one.
Combine messed up
# Apr 09 2007 at 9:47 PM Rating: Decent
Ive done this combine successfully before with my beastlord but now it doesnt work with him or my mage,the button isnt grayed out but when I try clicking on combine, it just goes through the motion but no messages. Hopefully it's just a bug and does not require a rogue.
Combine messed up
# Apr 08 2007 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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As an update to my previous post I tried several other things to see if I could get that button to not be grayed out and nothing worked. I finally solicited for the help of a rogue friend of mine who also had ally faction. The rogue needs to pick up the book from Sage Balic in PoK and come down to Guk with you and hand the book in to get the recipe. They can do the combine with the (1) Wood Elf Parts, (1) Dark Elf Parts, (1) Celestial Essence and (1) Elf Essence Recipe in the mortar and pestle - the successful combine of Elf Essence is also no drop - you have to multi-quest from there.

Make sure you find a rogue who is warmly or ally as they will need the appropriate faction to 1 - get the recipe and 2 - participate in a successful multi-quest. To quickly check their faction all they need to do is hail the old froglock and if he responds with a "frrooaaaakkk!" then their faction is high enough. Also, be sure whoever else is participating in the multi-quest has faction high enough as well.
Innoruuk Frog faction.
# Feb 03 2007 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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Absolutely would not allow less than max faction (kindly, unadjusted) for my Innorruk-Froglok cleric. Trained Old Seb until received max faction note after kill. Went to Upper Guk and killed 1 placeholder to spawn an old froglok. The old guy would not speak to me.

Went to dead side, killed 3-4 ghouls, until received max faction message again. At maxxed kindly w/Ghoul Lord scalp (brings to warmly), he gave text. May be possible to use "Alliance" spell clicky from Thurg B, to get text pre-max... but I wasted 3 clicks trying to guess-timate that point, before just maxxing faction.
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Innoruuk Frog faction.
# Feb 14 2007 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Another option that few people seem to be aware of is if you find a druid with the *indoor* group wolf form (from LDoN) and have them cast it on you in UGuk, it is a huge faction increase.
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Innoruuk Frog faction.
# Feb 26 2007 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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i believe i read somewhere that the faction modifier was removed from that spell with TSS. which means you most likely can't use wolf form for that any more... =/
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Wolf Illusion--Confirmed No Faction
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guild druid took pity on me and cast--no dice on faction improvement.
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faction
# Jan 23 2007 at 9:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Drakkin worshipping Veeshan monk, starting at dubious, got to kindly by killing in Lguk, then with ghoul lord scalp got to warmly. Using parser it took exactly 965 kills to achieve this... hopes the info helps you new drakkins out there!
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# Dec 04 2006 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Ogre/SK/Cazic Thule here. I had to max faction with Frogloks of Guk, no less. Max for my situation was in the amiable range. I checked several times when I hit amiable and didn't get any positive response from the old frog until my faction couldn't get any better. The Ghoullord's scalp got me to kindly, a dose of Essence of Guktan (not Essence of Froglok) got me to warmly.

I did my faction work in Old Sebilis. I'm guessing I started from max scowling since I previously killed frogs in the live side of Guk for the Ghoulbane drop. I cleared the reet frogs down by Trakanon many times. However, the quickest faction I found was the easier frogs from the entry zone in down to the disco. As an added bonus you will make some decent plat.

Edited, Dec 4th 2006 11:15am by hecubas
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# Oct 28 2006 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I did this quest now......began at Scowling/KOS......killed in LGuk and Seb until I became Amiably (Ogre SK/Rallos Zek diety)...I used the Ghoul Lord Scalrp...Gukta Froglok Illusion....handed in the 4 components...and Voilla!!! I got the crown....does not need to get higher faction then Amiably to do this quest...only need to have the Froglok potion and the Ghoul cap..which gets you to Kindly/warmly....


This was a pain in the *** quest to complete....I have spent so much time killing frogloks that I feel like puking...but...couldnt stop once I begun...and now i have it...So it's all good)

Good luck to all that starts this quest...gonna take alot of killing!!
Feral Form
# Oct 22 2006 at 1:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Been trying with an Agnostic Dark Elf Rogue to get faction from Aimable to warmly, Feral Form leave me at Aimable but halfling mask pets me up to kindly. Anyone know if they changed it so Feral Form isn't gonna give you faction anymore?
Feral Form
# Dec 04 2006 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
They took out all the wolven factions improvements a while back. Being in wolf form now will at best leave you at the same faction level; and more often than not, will make you KoS.
Feral Form
# May 12 2007 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
No, wolf-form won't make your faction any different from your 'normal' form now - the same applies to all non-player-race illusions.
GM telling truth or addicted to giving bad news.?
# Oct 21 2006 at 1:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I heard due to the latest war storyline between Froglocks and Trolls that it is Impossible for a Troll to get the faction to complete this quest. Need Confirmation on any Troll who has done this quest recently..preferrably after Troll Home Village was relocated.
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Yep can confirm..Have done it on troll zerker twice.
Sage Balic
# Aug 29 2006 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Sage Balic is at the top of the neutral (Eastern) tower in Plane of Knowledge.
Location neg 16, pos 60, neg 37.

Edited, Aug 29th 2006 at 10:45am EDT by Gimlet
Essence of Gukta for Ogre, non-deity
# Aug 26 2006 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm an ogre berserker that isn't following a deity. Took me about 15+ hours in Sebilis to get from wherever it was I started to "kindly" faction. I don't know how far I was into "kindly" but by using the potion I was able to make from the froglok blood I looted, my faction jumped to "warmly." Tadaa, I got my crown.
Illusion
# Aug 19 2006 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
Currently At Amiable, Tried Multiple Project Illusions - Thanks Mordigan!!!

No Change In Faction LEVEL, Who Knows About In Said Level.. And For The Person Who Said Wolf Form Earlier.... It's A Dungeon.. Who Can Wolf Form In Dungeons?
Illusion
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"Feral Pack" is a group indoor wolf form with other stats like attack and see invis and stuff. I believe it is a 52 Druid spell from LDoN.
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Illusion
# Aug 22 2006 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Feral Pack does work in dungeons AND raises faction 1 level with Old Froglok.
Illusion
# Oct 09 2006 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
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As of Oct, 9th, I am max faction, with the ghoul lord scalp, and under wolf illusion, but not able to obtain the quest. The wolf illusion is not providing and faction bump
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Can anyone else confirm that you need Warmly minimum for the quest? whats the faction at both start and end turn-in?
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Tolapunj may be a large hit. I went from dubious to indiff pretty fast by spending some time in Sebilis killing reets, and killing Tolapunj.
Faction
# Jun 14 2006 at 3:26 AM Rating: Decent
Finaly finished mine today.. as a DE SK i max faction at Amiable, had to be max faction with good illusion(human,halfling,dwarf...) and scalp of Ghoul Lord to do turn ins.
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Faction Hits
# Jun 05 2006 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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You get positive Guk faction for handing in the picture book, but no faction hits at all for handing in the remaining 4 items. I'm not sure of how great the faction hit is for handing in the book.
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# Jun 05 2006 at 4:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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To be clear, what is the exact in-game name of the faction for which you receive a positive hit?

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RE: Faction Hits
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You get positive Frogloks of Guk faction for the picturebook handin. It's included at the end of the text when he gives you the recipe.

Edited, Tue Jun 6 15:44:21 2006
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Updated, thanks.
Charm
# May 26 2006 at 12:00 AM Rating: Decent
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just FYI, an old froglok is immune to charm, I shrouded as an enchanter in hopes of skipping faction work.. back to the grind =(

I just finished this quest.. save yourself alot of time and befriend a druid for wolf form.. amiable to warmly in a couple seconds vs lots of killing.. you can track down a friendly druid faster.. also, if your a ranger, the self only wolf form AA works as well. (my halfling ranger now looks like all you woodelfs)

Edited, Fri May 26 19:18:20 2006
Charm
# Aug 19 2006 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
Wolf Form Indoors? How
RE: Charm
# May 29 2006 at 8:42 AM Rating: Decent
Charm wouldn't have helped anyway - max faction for a charmed creature is amiable - you need warmly for the quest...
location
# May 08 2006 at 10:13 PM Rating: Decent
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It should be noted that coordinates for the in game map are opposite what they are when you do a /loc. Bryarr's map location is where the fella spawns.
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Well, the faction bit is actually quite easy if you're a pet class above 65.

Basically what I did is for 2-3 nights/work days I parked myself and pet (with pet toys) in a room with 4-5 froggies, throw in my bst fungi tunic, and let the little devil faction for me. 16 hours, 12 min spawns, 5 mobs. Somewhere around 25 faction hits per hour for 16 hours is 400 hits. For those of us good races who didn't kill froggies, it doesn't take but perhaps a few rampages through the place to get warmly from here.

Plus, while I'm sleepin' and grinding away at work, my pet is doin all the work. Woot.

GL all.
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Was haveing a hard time finding the Old Froglok. My biggest problem was useing the Loc that Bryarr had given. Couldn't figure out if he ment posotive, dash.....or negative 215. Either way they are both wrong. Loc of Old Froglok and his PH is 1282, 218, -94. Very far North on the map. Find the 3 way bridge over the pool of water, and he is located just south of pool. Good luck to you all.
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# Feb 13 2006 at 4:20 AM Rating: Decent
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i know theres been a lot of post about how to do this, i just finished and think i can put most the info together (stuff i'd want to know)

droppable items i just bought all from baz, only expensive thing was the cloak which cost me 12k on prexus server (made more pp doing quest anyways, will explain)

for those people that spend time getting the reet froglok crown, sorry i got mine on first kill, so i cant verify if its rare or common, BUT i can say that i got mine from the reet frogloks in old sebilis down by the berserker 1.5 mob. the door is locked but you only need to click the pot on the right of the door, it is true that the door does lock from the other side also, and it is also true that if you play first player... shrink all the way down, and scroll out a little bit and put your back to the door you CAN click the pot from the other side of the door to get out. the reet frogs are in a side room just inside that door and the golems will not assist if you attack the frogs unless you get into agro range, so have root or snare ;) my friend did this for 3 characters and said he got 5 crowns out of about 3 or 4 clearings of the reet frogs in there so it "seems" to be common.

factioning - i went back and forth from old seb and Lguk, im a paladin and with Bonecleaver i do decent dps (for a pally). i noticed almost NO difference if any at all in faction hits between seb and lguk, in fact i could kill up to 115 frogs in seb in an hour, where as i could clear every undead frog in Lguk in well under 15 minutes, only have about 2-4 minutes of waiting for repops and then back at it (something like 80-95ish mobs to kill in Lguk).
with slay undeads in the mid 9k range Lguk was the faster way to get faction, though i made over 2k pp per hour from seb so i preferred killing there, gem drop rates and spells for my alts are plentiful, also get drops to sell once in a while.
His Excellency's post about faction hits needed was very clsoe to accurate, in fact i would use it as a good referrence while doing this... heres a quote of it so you dont have to look
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Ally = 1450 to 2500
Warmly = 1100 to 1450
Kindly = 750 to 1100
Amiable = 150 to 750
Indifferent = 0 to 150
Apprehensive = 0 to -150
Dubious = -150 to -750
Threateningly = -750 to -1100
Ready to Attack = -1100 to -2500


i am a froglok and went from threateningly to warmly in 3 days with a minimal distractions... raids etc... (i know a frog doign faction for frogs... well i killed a lot in upper guk as a baby pally)

i learned through friends and posts that if you are an evil diety then you will max faction at indifferent and will need the ghoul lord cap and any good race illusion to attain warmly faction. the illusions will not help you if you are neutral diety, so dont waste the time or plat. illusions only take the negetive effects away from evil races (more detailed post by zaxton further down will explain)and the cap is not wearable by good dieties/classes

an old froglok does have a placeholder - a froglok ton shaman - that will hurt your faction if you kill him, but you dont need to, the mob cycles respawn every 29-30 minutes and once despawning only takes 5 seconds to respawn. you "could" kill him but still takes 30 minutes to respawn (if killed) so if the cycle was close to done you would waste some time there.

this quote makes finding him very easy
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Copy and paste this into the bottom of your guktop_1 map for his spawn point.


P -215.8420, -1267.6025, -97.9667, 0, 0, 0, 1, Old_Froglok


he popped for me after two and a half cycles (1 hour 15 minutes) of getting there. i just set an audio trigger to go off for "an old froglok" which since he's an enchanter mob will instantly cast spells once spawned and my audio trigger went off like crazy.

turn in the picturebook and get the elf essence recipe, bring a mortar and pestle with you and do the combine (no fail), go through the 2 line dialogue and give him all 4 necessary items all at once and bam, theres your crown

i killed him afterwords since he made me do all that to get the crown he deserved to die, but i enjoyed messing around and doing this. good luck to you on it.

Edited, Mon Feb 13 03:25:47 2006
Some notes
# Feb 05 2006 at 4:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Just did this quest with a troll innoruuk shaman, there's no point repeating info so just a few clarifying points:

To get to Sage Balic, go to the PoD in PoK (the one who ports you to Dranik's Scar) and run east across the bridge. Balic is at the top of the tower at the other end of the bridge.

Faction: Took two toons and 2-boxed both discos in Seb for maybe 4 hours each two days in a row (clearing all mobs as they spawned). That took me all the way from scowls to "could not get any better" faction. So after hearing people talk about 20+ hours spent aoeing frogs in LGuk it seems to me like it's safe to say that faction hits in Seb are a lot higher. Ghoul Lord dropped scalp for me the first time he spawned. Being both evil race and evil deity, at max faction I was indifferent. Putting scalp on took me to amiable. Using a good race illusion (I used Erudite, worked fine) WITHOUT scalp took me to kindly. Using both took me to warmly. So if you're an evil race and evil deity (Inny, Cazic, Bertox or Rallos) you will need max possible faction AND a non-evil illusion AND the scalp.

Old froglok: Finding him is described well in his personal thread. 1) YES he has a PH (always 'a froglok ton shaman') and 2) NO you do not have to kill the PH to spawn him. Every half an hour (+/- a few mins) whatever mob is up in his place will despawn and 5-10 seconds later either the old froglok or another PH will respawn.

Elf Essence: The combine is no-fail. The toon I did this with had no skill in any tradeskills.

Vial of Purified Mana: The info here is deceptive, this isn't a "combine" done by enchanters, it's a spell they cast that consumes regents. The result is not no drop so you can just buy it. I bought it off a trader in bazaar for 900p.
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# Nov 22 2005 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
Sage Balic is located at -22.34, 57.62, -35.67
Faction Updates
# Nov 13 2005 at 6:48 AM Rating: Default
I believe the faction hits in Old Seb have been modified. I am a dark elf, agnostic, wizard so that should have given me only one faction hit instead of two. I have been keeping a running head count on the number of frogs I have BBQed and after three months at 100 a weekend, with a potion of illusion human, I am now kindly. I have been using the faction table off of The Runes, does anyone know of a more accurate or up to date table...
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