Shackle of Tynnonium  

do you have to talk to veltar first or can you do the trials without talking to him?

Do still need to turn in the mechanical tail that you get from Kwinn, and if so when do you hand it in.

I completed this quest and just thought to share a few things.

For dubious to guards, I killed multitudes of goblins. I started out killing the ones in the huts in lake of ill omen. I got a few stacks of the green goblin skins (which i later find out are good for faction somewhere... ). I would check my faction periodically and still be kos. Then I tried killing a few iksar bandits and such... this brought me to the goblin fort in warslilk woods (sp). Here I could get a few items i needed while getting faction... I began clearing the fort regularly and finally found where the iksar gloves came from. Then, lo and behold, expecting yet another pair of rotting gloves, I get an earring off the guy. shrunken goblin skull ear WOOT. Didnt even know he dropped anything good.
So i keep killing goblins and later that night... another earring... WOOT!.

then eventually i had dubious.. turned in maybe 50 stacks of bone chips and still kos to troopers... so reading boards.. i decide to try the explorer knives... after 13 stacks... im good enough to do the monk quest... woot.

Kos now in kelethin fv and kaladim. Then last couple nights.. i went to cb and broke trains and killed pawns and such and dvinn and crush couple times... back to dubious in kelethin.. woot.

Killed at goblin fort again, hoping for another earring for alt, no earring but 2 evenings for a couple hours killing goblins, am back to apprehensive in FV.

Turns out it doesnt take you too far into kos land killing the explorers. Assuming you start out in good graces with everyone.

So, to sum it up, the explorer knives, even though you loose good faction getting them, are much much faster than bone chips. And you can get your oldschool faction back fast.

Edited, Tue Apr 22 17:04:17 2003

never mind previous post - i got it sorted

Just finished the Shackle of Tynn part and wanted to pass on something from my experience with it that might help others. When I hailed Grandmaster Glox and told him I was ready, he ported me to locked room, but didn't show up for about 15 to 20 mins, I was stuck in there and even petitioned about him not showing up in the time I waited. Even created a newbie monk on another account to give him the key phrase again. He finally did show and at level 51 with some good buffs from a shaman and cleric friend, wasn't too tough.

Now Rinmark on the other hand was a bit tougher and fight was much closer. Hope that helps.

hi yas , just finished ,, the sleeper is a giant in fm giant fort , hes a ground spawn at back of the cave ,(thru the tunnel) inside the fort,piece of cake ,,and yes you do turn it into master Niska along with the tomb, to get (looks like a gem) the mark. good luck :)

I just handed in my shackel of steel to get the tomb today.. you dont get it returned.

The tomb reads in lizardman as :
"Hard as steel grown since birth. What was once a defence now lies upon the earth. Found in the caves, then taken to the war baron of those no longer slaves"

Is this the same as the other one.. with the COM ground spawn handed into master Bain?

Can anyone help me?

When you hand the Tomekeeper in City of Mist your Shackle of Steel, does he keep it or return it to you along with the tome? Nowhere have I seen anybody post this particular bit of info and being somewhat equipment poor the matter of the shackle is important to my monk.

I suspect if you die and need your corpse you can redintiate your fight with glox, get teleported back into the room. FD so you dont have agro. then /q out. Log back on and you may not have agro. Just a thought.
If not you need SC your way out or have a rogue bring a few friends down. hehe.

I just attempted the Trial of Agility today, slightly premature it seems. This guide, and others I have read assume you win this fight, get the escape potion and get out. So what if, as I did, you LOSE and die at the hands of your master. I can attest that you lose XP as you would for any other death. It seems however my corpse remained in this 'locked room'.
My questions are: Can I get my corpse back and, if so, How?
Fortunately, as I said, I had read this guide and others and was aware of this room so I made my first attempt naked...no loot lost if corpse unrecoverable.

I just completed this quest today. It took me about 8 hours from beginning to end. I enlisted the help trackers for the last part of the quest to obtain the mark of clarity. The note above says that the tomekeeper can give you a different tome. This is true. I received a faded white tome with very cryptic instuctions. It turned out that I had to do the mechanical iksar tail quest to get the mark of clarity. www.monkly-business.com has a great walkthru with all the different tomes under the whistling fists quest. The shackle of Tynnonium is a sub quest for the whistling fist quest which rewards the whistling fist - a 12/20 h2h weapon with epic like stats and clickable jonathons whistling warsong. Check it out at monklybusiness for more info.