Pandos Flintside  

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Pandos the Muffin Man! He changed appearances again!

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LOC: 100.51, -612.60, -87.97

Tactic: Use the Find system and target Trissa Whistlesong to get the fastest path to the Inn.

Category: EverQuest
This page last modified 2011-09-25 21:35:05.

Level: 28
Expansion: Original
NPC Added: 0000-00-00 00:00:00
NPC Last Updated: 2019-02-14 05:58:51

Known Habitats:
  West Freeport
Factions Increased:
  Crushbone Orcs +2
Factions Decreased:
  Clerics of Tunare -2
  Faydarks Champions -10
  King Tearis Thex -2
  Soldiers of Tunare -2
Quests:
  Muffin for Pandos

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Faction info for kill
# Dec 29 2018 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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[Sat Dec 29 12:18:06 2018] Your faction standing with Faydarks Champions has been adjusted by -10.
[Sat Dec 29 12:18:06 2018] Your faction standing with King Tearis Thex has been adjusted by -2.
[Sat Dec 29 12:18:06 2018] Your faction standing with Clerics of Tunare has been adjusted by -2.
[Sat Dec 29 12:18:06 2018] Your faction standing with Soldiers of Tunare has been adjusted by -2.
[Sat Dec 29 12:18:06 2018] Your faction standing with Crushbone Orcs has been adjusted by 2.
[Sat Dec 29 12:18:06 2018] You receive 6 platinum, 3 gold and 7 copper from the corpse.
[Sat Dec 29 12:18:06 2018] You have slain Pandos Flintside!
workaround for KoS working on faction
# Apr 13 2014 at 6:32 PM Rating: Default
hasnt failed on me yet.

have a friend invis you soon as you lose invis when handing in item. Did this w/ Lich of Miragul, Pandos, and every mob that required faction in entire paladin epic just recently.

Good luck getting someone out to invis you in ocean of tears; it really brought out the hidden meaning of that zone

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# Sep 25 2011 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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100.51, -612.60, -87.97

As you enter the doorway into the Inn, look left and you should see Trissa Whistlesong (Task Master); look right and you will see Pandos.

If you use the Find system and target Trissa Whistlesong as your target to find and follow the wisp trail to her then turn 180 degrees as you face her and there is Pandos waiting to make you mad.

Edited, Sep 25th 2011 10:33pm by goldbishop
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# Apr 11 2011 at 7:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I just want to say I think it is totally UNfair that all the quests to raise faction with this guy are lvl 85 max. What about those of us above lvl 85? Do we not count for something or are we to just live with bad faction? SOE needs to do some adjusting on faction quests me thinks.
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Stacks to faction
# Sep 25 2008 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Fully KOS ranger after killing PoG and Tunare several times...
(used camo to get behind Pandos and then used HIDE before dropping camo)

85 muffin stacks = King Tearis Thex MAXED.
(no longer needed HIDE due to indifferent con to Pandos)
120 muffin stacks = ALLY with Pandos.
at 130 muffin stacks I decided to check faction with Althele even though I was not maxed at any other factions. I conned WARMLY with Althele.
tunare factions
# Jul 30 2007 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
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helped a buddy of mine fix his various tunare factions tonite. he was MAX kos to faydark champions due to killing tunare a couple times...and still needed to finish his 1.0.

did the batwing quest to kindly and then on to ol' muffin boy.

i sat there with my 'chanter and used Lull. That's right.. Good ol' Lull. Lvl 1 enchanter paci. lasts 3m, which is about enough time for 2 full stacks of muffins if you click fast.

we used the 'open trade window, invis and give' method and it worked VERY well.

After 60 stacks of muffins, he /con threat

hope this helps some.
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# Mar 11 2006 at 8:18 PM Rating: Good
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Where is this guy Located at since the revamp of Freeport?
RE: loc?
# Apr 20 2006 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
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He spawns in the hogcallers inn, just inside at loc pos 100, neg 120, east of the west gate and slightly north.
RE: loc?
# May 12 2006 at 8:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Moved since the revamp is now 111 -614
45 Ranger faction
# Aug 20 2005 at 2:41 AM Rating: Decent
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well i started this stupid muffin thing at level 45 im a wood elf ranger an i did bout 5 tool boxes full muffins an im now ally.
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# Mar 15 2005 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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i have tried all the tricks and nothing has worked so far.. have turned in 200 stacks of batwings and he is still KoS to me : (

the only trick i found that worked was harmony / invis

Edited, Tue Mar 15 12:09:22 2005
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Kos to Pandos
# Dec 28 2004 at 6:03 AM Rating: Decent
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No problem if Kos to pandos. I just bought in my chanter and mezzed him, and my druid just handed him the muffins until faction was fixed. But NOTE that I had to let the druid get hit at least once between mezzes to keep the agro off the chanty AND to allow the druid to keep giving Pandos the muffins. Dead easy, and risk free.
Pandos should be in a 12-step program
# Aug 11 2004 at 11:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've been reading these posts for a while wondering how I could pull this quest off with a dark elf shadowknight. Bottom line, I don't need to get attacked by random guards while I run through Greater Fay on LDoN corpse runs and such. So here's how I pulled it off -- fasten your seat belts, this is gonna be a bumpy ride.

First and foremost, Pandos cons scowling to a DE with default faction (i.e., no negative hits against Faydarks Champions). He cons even more scowling to DE followers of Inny. Imagine that. So I figured I'd wait until the mid-40's, when he starts to con green. Well, guess what... Pandos is a suicide aggro mob. Granted, there's that 5 second period where you could *maybe* hand him a muffin, but all he's going to say is, "I will do nothing to aid a being like you," or some similar dorf drivel.

I decided to try a wood elf illusion. No dice: the bazaar on Tunare is perpetually out of Essence of Wood Elf potions, and I'm not sure the novelty factor of this quest is *quite* high enough for me to justify spending the amounts of plat involved to pick one up. Yes, I'm a 51 SK. A very BROKE 51 SK. So, I happened upon a kind enchanter who was projecting air elemental illusions on everyone in PoK. I figured, what the hell, why not try wood elf?

So he followed me into Freeport out of curiosity to see what I was up to. He cast the wood elf illusion, and Pandos still conned scowling when I got to him. I handed him a muffin just before he aggroed, and the chanter cast Mez. Well, I was able to click Give and get faction hits, but I couldn't hand him another muffin while Mez was up. So he tried charming him. While charmed, I could give him muffins without using my Hide trick, but all I got was the miniscule thousandth of a percent of xp -- no faction.

This is when I decided to play hardball. I logged on my cleric on my second machine, and snuck him into Freeport. I got him upstairs, and the fun began. First I had him root Pandos... Followed by a quick cast of Atone (hate list wipe), and then I cast Pacify. The fun began.

From there, I managed to hand him roughly 20 stacks of muffins while standing just outside of aggro range (heh, it's about the size of the target ring with Paci), using the Hide trick all the while. I had him up to threatening when my illusion: Keebler dropped. Funny thing: if he cons threatening, you don't need to hide, FD, or anything. Just click Give.

So, here are the numbers:
- Scowling -> Threatening: 44 stacks
- Threatening -> Dubious: 12 stacks (56 total)
- Dubious -> Apprehensive: 21.5 stacks (77.5 total)
- Apprehensive -> Indifferent: 4 stacks (81.5 total)
- Indifferent -> Amiable: 4 stacks (85.5 total)

- After 98 stacks or so, my faction with Crushbone Orcs bottomed out. I had only a few negative hits with them from killing the Orc Runner in BBM a couple of times. They used to con threateningly.

- After 100.5 stacks, my faction with Clerics of Tunare and Soldiers of Tunare maxed out. I don't know what they con to me offhand.

- After 104 stacks, my faction with Faydarks Champions maxed out. Pandos cons amiable.

- After 107 stacks, my faction with King Tearis Thex maxed.

I'm curious to see how these numbers compare to an ikkie or a follower of CT.
Pandos should be in a 12-step program
# Jan 02 2012 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I know it's dated but I love love love reading posts like this that have personality and capture the essence of the creativity within the eq gamer. I recall a similar struggle trying to figure out how to get beyond faction barriers in the overthere...lest I ramble more, I wonder if the OP will ever read this reply but I think your post was awesome :) I'm just randomly commenting without much more of a point tonight.
I figured it out !!
# Jul 07 2004 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I am a wood elf ranger (tunare) and you must be 46 and must give Pandos enough muffins to were it will say Faction cannot get any better . Telin will now give ya the Letter in BW .
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Pandos Faction
# Jul 11 2003 at 8:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been reading around on these message boards for the muffin quest recently, and have found a great deal of valuable information. As a Dark Elf necromancer, I have found it very lucrative and rewarding to kill the Felwithe guards. Since I'm only level 50 I'm forced to pull them to the bait shop near Elia the Pure to avoid getting mobbed by ads, however Elia seems to enjoy nuking me while I'm engaged with a guard, which can quickly make things tense (she nukes for roughly 450). However, if your faction is high enough, you can kill the guards right beside her and she won't care. The fastest way to get non-kos with Pandos that I have found is to go on a slaughtering spree in Crushbone. True, your Indigo Brotherhood faction will go down, but I never had it go below dubious and it's VERY easy to raise back up. Once this guy is non-kos, just give him a ton of muffins and you're good as gold. Good luck!
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RE: Pandos Faction
# Jul 15 2003 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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lol Wow havn't seen to many posts' from people on Stromm yet, but just curious how is it you bring up YOUR Ingo Brotherhood faction???

That's one of the more difficult ones I've found. Expensive and you take a LOT of faction hits doing it?
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RE: Pandos Faction
# Oct 01 2003 at 7:22 PM Rating: Decent
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The Indigo Brotherhood - The fighter's guild faction for Dark Elves in Neriak. All of the guards (inner and outer) are on this faction. If you want to do business in Neriak without sneaking, invising, casting an illusion, etc. you need dubious faction with them (hopefully better) and good faction with dread guards inner or outer (most NPCs are on more than one faction).

The easiest way to raise faction with the dread guards is to do the Red Wine quest. But after that, exterminate vermin quests work for minor hits to the indigo brotherhood. Find Exterminator Damasi (Neriak Commons) or Exterminator Gilea (Neriak 3rd Gate) and drop 4 rat whiskers (not stacked) onto them at a time. Rat whiskers drop off of rats in various cities or you can buy them (!?) from Jeena Firechaser (Kithicor Forest: -215,3813) for about 1 silver apiece. Since the exterminate the rats quest results in 1gp, 1sp, and 1cp - you can make money by buying stacks of rat whiskers and bringing them to various exterminators throughout Antonica and Faydwer (including the Dark Elves).

Simple enough,

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Edited, Wed Oct 1 20:10:08 2003
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RE: Pandos Faction
# Nov 30 2003 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Not a single guard in Neriak is on Indigo Brotherhood faction. The ONLY people in Neriak on IB are the warrior guild. My dark elf cleric is max kos to the Brotherhood, amiable to guards.
RE: Pandos Faction
# Aug 21 2004 at 1:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, there are a FEW guards in Neriak on IB faction. The only one who comes to mind is this guy: Rolynn, in Neriak Foreign Quarter. I believe a couple of the wandering guards around the Indigo Brotherhood guildhouse may also be on IB faction. Bottom line, I would hate to try to use the merchants in that part of Neriak Commons if I knew I was KOS to the Brotherhood.
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# Jun 11 2003 at 9:52 AM Rating: Default
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I'm about to fill this lil freak with muffins to get my Epic started, I'm a 51 Ranger. I've done a Charm Quest in Neriak where I am KoS. When I did my turn-in, Ranger camo did NOT drop.....not even Superior Camo. Have a Ranger go with you to re-apply when needed, it is unreliable in length at times. Hope that helps e'r one tryin to get faction and not die.....Peace and Love.....
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Iksar Monk handing in muffins.
# Aug 15 2002 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
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If I got my iksar monk to Feign Death infront of Pandos and then tried to hand in muffins, I wonder if it would work?
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RE: Iksar Monk handing in muffins.
# Mar 03 2003 at 1:44 PM Rating: Default
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I am doing it now. IF you are high enough lvl and can take his hits, you run past him to get behind him. FD. then Sneak
then stand and hand them in. I am doing it right now. Or get a friend to inviso you behind him. Sneak, then click off the inviso. both work.
RE: Iksar Monk handing in muffins.
# Aug 11 2004 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Here's a trick that I use with my DE SK -- works for any inkie, halfling, or anyone otherwise having the Hide ability. Hand him the muffin, and before you click Give, click Hide. Make sure he cons indifferent -- this can take multiple tries if you're using racial or SK Hide, since racial is locked at 50 and SKs max at 75. I fail 1 in 3 times on average at 75. When he cons indifferent, click Give. Voila, faction. I would think it works the same way with FD -- just feign before you click Give, which alas, I cannot do as an SK, as you cannot cast spells with a trade window opened. Hope this helps.
Doesn't it seem odd?
# Nov 26 2001 at 6:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I was just wondering, after doing this quest a ton of times with my Iksar Monk (and btw, wolf form helps with him, but Lady Shae sees through it)...why is a Dwarf on all of these Felwithe/Kelethin factions but no dwarf factions? I know he is Lady Shae's bodyguard or somesuch, but it seems a bit odd not to have any dwarven factions at all...just food for thought =)
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Faction???
# Nov 22 2001 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I am a dwarf warrior, and I have ally faction for faydarks champions, but I, um, accidentally destroyed my tearisthex, clerics of tunare, and some other faction to the point of "your faction can not get any worse". If pandos is on Faydarks Champions faction, does that mean that I can remedy my faction?
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#Anonymous, Posted: Aug 30 2001 at 6:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Losers!
RE: why do you guys do this Quest?
# Jan 16 2003 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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lol Factions are why I play the game. This quest can make it so I can enter all new areas of the game I'm not normally allowed to. New adventures and thril of not knowing what's around the next corner, and all I had to do was spend the time handing in muffins? A great deal for an Ogre warrior!

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RE: why do you guys do this Quest?
# Oct 15 2001 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Because there is something in the game called Faction! Don't flame others doing any quests!
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Muffin Eatin FREAK!
# Jun 07 2001 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Bored at work, I scoured Allakhazam's quest lists for a couple of days. I isolated as many of the "feeding" quests as possible, and this one looked like the perfecta.

Cruised around the Hogcaller's Inn while invis, NP. Handed Pandos 16 muffins and recieved my 16 sets of faction adjustments, then hurried back down the steps at top speed. Success! Tried again, handed in the muffins, and out of the flood of faction came Pandos' attack messages.

"Well, maybe the invis faded", I thought to myself as I looted my own corpse (creepy). Recast, back up the stairs, more muffins and faction, another death.

He won't see through your invisibility until you hit the Trade button. Oh, and his HiElf girlfriend Lady Shae didn't like me much either.

Markoff Chaney
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Update 07/01/2001: The following <edited, heh> was posted on Illia's under Linara Parlone, and is one of the more informative posts I've read.

>In order to give her the key while invisible you must be at least 1 faction above 'Scowls, ready to attack'. Reason being, you will appear when you begin the trade, before the trade can be completed. At 'Threateningly', I believe you have 5 secs before you get on the hate list, and should have someone else invis you before you complete the trade.

(never thought I'd say this)
Thanks, Anonymous!

PS: The recent blessings of Bertoxxulous to the Karanas have left muffins in rather short supply. They can be purchchased from Iago (in EK), Glinya Sweetpie (in FV), and (so I hear) in Thurgadin now - give a holler if you see them for sale elsewhere.
Muffin Eatin FREAK!
# Dec 30 2007 at 2:05 AM Rating: Decent
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The baking supply merchant in PoK sells muffins. Can't recall the name, atm, but they are sold in PoK. Confirmed December 30, 2007
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RE: Muffin Eatin FREAK!
# Oct 15 2001 at 7:34 PM Rating: Default
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How short 5 secs can be... Well, I know that my equipment is the minimum to play Everquest, but to make a long story short: I was never able to open a trade window with someone who conned threatingly to me. Before the window would appear he is going to attack me. It is not true that you will appear when you hit the trade button, but you will appear when you start the trade. As soon as you click the NPC you appear. The only possibility for me was to trade with NPC that conned green. They don't attack and you will be able to open a trade window.
Once you have it open and placed the things inside have a friend who is casting invisible on you. Then you can hit the trade button and you will be able to do the quest. Even after getting the faction improvements you will be still invisible which lets me think that you could do quests with NPC that are scrowling on you. I haven't tried this yet, so it's just a thought.


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RE: Muffin Eatin FREAK!
# Apr 29 2002 at 8:16 PM Rating: Good
Heh the only problem with that is by the time you kill this guy, the orcs will be green and not aggro anyway..heh.. ;/ ?
Wolfform?
# Jun 04 2001 at 3:47 PM Rating: Default
Anyone try wolf form on this guy?
RE: Wolfform?
# Mar 12 2003 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
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tried wolf form and illusion potion, didn't work. just for kicks, i tried charming him and giving him muffins (charmed with my 60 chanter), i got exp for it, but no faction hits. :(

tried charming, giving but not trading until that moment when the chanter hit invis to break charm, that didn't work either.

Looks like i'm off to kill something!
Use Sneak
# Apr 18 2001 at 12:29 PM Rating: Default
I have a 50 Ranger that I am trying to start the epic quest for. I took him to PoG once for a short time and now I am KOS to my NPC that innitiates the quest. So now I am doing the Muffin quest with this little guy. He scowls at me and tried killing me the first time I met him! Brave little rascal! Well, I drug him to the zone and rezoned. Came back invis. got behind him and dispelled Invis, hit sneak and was indifferent to him. Followed him all the way back to his static spot while sneaking. DId the muffin quest while his back was turned to me. Sneak worked for me. I know not everybody has sneak, sorry.
Faction hits when killing him
# Mar 17 2001 at 1:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I killed him and here are the faction hits when you kill him:
FaydarksChampions worse
KingTearisthex worse
ClericsofTunare worse
SoldiersofTunare worse
CrushboneOrcs better

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RE: Faction hits when killing him
# Jul 09 2001 at 6:30 PM Rating: Default
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A good way to repair your Orc Faction ;)
If you do it long enough you are not KoS in Crushbone anymore... hmmmm... :)
Think about it: Walking to Emperor Crush without
any Problems!

Well, i prefer to slay Orcs :)

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faction
# Dec 31 2000 at 5:54 AM Rating: Default
How can i raise my faction with this guy enough to be able to do the muffin quest?When i try now he attacks me so i cant get the muffind turned in.Any sugestions??
#Anonymous, Posted: Jan 07 2001 at 12:41 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) this is how i do it. i think this will only work if he is green to you (or you can have someone cast harmony on him a lot;p)
RE: faction
# Feb 10 2001 at 2:07 PM Rating: Default
This Does NOT work.... He has innate see invis.. Harmony will not change faction only reduce aggro.
RE: faction
# Mar 01 2001 at 9:17 AM Rating: Default
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Nope I tried this quest :
I was looked Threateningly without invis
when invised I was indifferent : so he can't see invis

I am now dubious (having been killed once after gving him my first 4 muffins).

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# Jan 02 2001 at 12:50 AM Rating: Default
Any other suggestions?
# Jan 05 2001 at 4:21 PM Rating: Default
As a Dark Elf, I am also KOS to Pandos, and killing Crushbone Orcs is out of the question (can't afford the faction hit to Indigo Brotherhood). Is there anything else I can do to raise faction to the point that Pandos will talk to me?

I guess my real question is this -- what faction do I need to increase to get him to like me?
RE: Any other suggestions?
# Oct 15 2001 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmmmm, if you're a dark elf that doesn't want to take the Indigo Brother faction hit, perhaps you can try killing pirates in OOT and do the pirate earring quest? I believe this will raise the correct faction, only problem is you may have to kill alot of pirates to raise your fatction with the sisters enough to do the quest.....
#Anonymous, Posted: Dec 15 2000 at 7:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) this guy is a de's baddass. he made me kissed the floor once when i was walking around the town of freeport.
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