Lord Mithaniel Marr
Raid Encounter
Lord of the Planes of Valor, and the Halls of Honor.
Picture is courtesy Afterlife.
@4200 AC, 35% shielding Cleric
Max Hit: 1851
Min Hit: 206
Avg Hit: 654
Avg DPS: 439
This page last modified 2009-11-16 01:08:16.
Level: 77
Expansion:
Expansion:
Effects Used:Blinding Essence of Purity
Lay on Hands
Lesson of Penitence
Sacred Cleansing
Silence of Marr
Strike of Marr
Touch of Nife
Valor of Marr
Lay on Hands
Lesson of Penitence
Sacred Cleansing
Silence of Marr
Strike of Marr
Touch of Nife
Valor of Marr
NPC Added: 0000-00-00 00:00:00
NPC Last Updated: 2020-12-12 08:45:29
NPC Last Updated: 2020-12-12 08:45:29
Known Loot:
Blade of the Tempest
Bow of Contortion
Cloak of the Wrulons
Dart of Immobility
Gemstone Choker
Glyphed Rune Word
Signet of the Advisor
Spectral Parchment
Valiant Belt of Fallen Heroes
Blade of the Tempest
Bow of Contortion
Cloak of the Wrulons
Dart of Immobility
Gemstone Choker
Glyphed Rune Word
Signet of the Advisor
Spectral Parchment
Valiant Belt of Fallen Heroes
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Battalion of Marr
Battalion of Marr
3 posts
Well we were attempting to raid LMM, small guild 35 or so, all there, we get to LMM after couple hours, and we see him taking damage and at 15%, we petitioned to find out some noob monk nodelay/turbomonk... he then repopped the zone we started from beginning and slayed him...He dropped blade of the tempest and dart of immobility and a few others i forgot but this was on 7/28/07
my guild 'mark of the black frog' just killed him on 12/05, i wasnt thr, but i just wanted to say this is great for my guild, we are a family guild and use to struggle to get 20 ppl for a raid but in the last few weeks we have really come together and can start raiding abit now, anyway wtg MotbFs!
I can reccomend not casting Dark Plague on this guy. I'd done nothing else, he was at about 93% health, I cast Dark Plague and splat! Summoned and killed in one round.
2 posts
Took down MM last nite with raid force of 38. No deaths. CH chain of 4 people with a 4 second delay. Patch heal chain of 3 people with 4 second delay. MT never dropped below 75% health the whole raid. Very flawless takedown.
*~Toriann Evenstar~* Lvl 70 High Elf Cleric Class Leader of Syndicatus, Quellious Server
*~Toriann Evenstar~* Lvl 70 High Elf Cleric Class Leader of Syndicatus, Quellious Server
Killed him lastnight w/ 1 group. SK/Cleric/Shaman/Chanter/Rogue/Rogue (All Anguish/Tacvi geared)
Dropped Cloak X2 and some Specs.
Was a fun challenge.
Dropped Cloak X2 and some Specs.
Was a fun challenge.
10 posts
Killed Him The Other Day on Seventh hammer with 45 ppl pick up raid pretty tough pulled him and got 1 kitty had a tank off tank kitty while raid killed LMM pretty hard fight had 7 dead total because of ae yes he did root and blind me but i kept fighting and killed him in about 6 mins total from pull to finish
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Thanks for the info and plans on MM. Lots of useful info and not much to add. Looks like you guys have it covered.
But I did have one question, some what unrelated for Lady Barthebi.
Nice Magelo on your toons, but I would be interested in seeing a Magelo symbol on them, as to see the honest stats.
Only, if you have the time. I would be really interested. Thanks
But I did have one question, some what unrelated for Lady Barthebi.
Nice Magelo on your toons, but I would be interested in seeing a Magelo symbol on them, as to see the honest stats.
Only, if you have the time. I would be really interested. Thanks
My guild just attempted LMM tonight and unfortunately wiped at ~9%. We've beaten him many times before with no problem, but this time the tanks reported he was casting root and blind now. Is this new?
edited: I was informed that LMM has always had the ability to cast Root and Blind, but was "broken" and is "fixed" now. Might want to add this to Effects Used.
Edited, Sun Mar 27 05:05:54 2005
edited: I was informed that LMM has always had the ability to cast Root and Blind, but was "broken" and is "fixed" now. Might want to add this to Effects Used.
Edited, Sun Mar 27 05:05:54 2005
Darkova took down this bad boy on our first attempt tonite on Morden Rasp. VT geared guild, started on MR server last April. 44 people, 2 had better than VT gear - a cleric bot and a chanter. Was the first attempt on any toon for 36 of us, including the Raid Leader.
Was pretty chaotic during the pulling, we even had 3 adds with the frog (4 deaths iirc), but after recovering we got it under control. Brought MM with 1 cat, and had an offtank just offtank him the entire fight (chanters were screaming that some cats unmezzable).
Is his Rampage existent? He rampaged alot, but noone took any damage from it. If it's AE ramp, then the radius is miniscule, cus we were ALL bunched into the corner with MM to avoid getting on the tiles and bringing cats into the fight.
He IS extremely resistant. Never landed Malosinia, I assume he was eventually disease slowed. Resisted a couple casts of Necro fire dots (pyres) as well as Dark Nightmare (curse). Best dmg was lifetap dot and nuking with taps cus he didn't resist those. Fire dots stuck 80% of the time.
I believe a key to this fight is getting your pet classes to park their pets early out on the tiles once you first clear the lower level. That way, they can be used to push MM or cats into the corner. We pulled to the right corner facing him.
Tank had 11400 hp fully buffed, 4 cleric rot pause 30, with 3 shammies spot healing. 2 cleric bots also were healing a bit, cus they were for RT and noone took rampage damage.
Dropped Gem Choker and PoS signet (gratz rot =/)
Was pretty chaotic during the pulling, we even had 3 adds with the frog (4 deaths iirc), but after recovering we got it under control. Brought MM with 1 cat, and had an offtank just offtank him the entire fight (chanters were screaming that some cats unmezzable).
Is his Rampage existent? He rampaged alot, but noone took any damage from it. If it's AE ramp, then the radius is miniscule, cus we were ALL bunched into the corner with MM to avoid getting on the tiles and bringing cats into the fight.
He IS extremely resistant. Never landed Malosinia, I assume he was eventually disease slowed. Resisted a couple casts of Necro fire dots (pyres) as well as Dark Nightmare (curse). Best dmg was lifetap dot and nuking with taps cus he didn't resist those. Fire dots stuck 80% of the time.
I believe a key to this fight is getting your pet classes to park their pets early out on the tiles once you first clear the lower level. That way, they can be used to push MM or cats into the corner. We pulled to the right corner facing him.
Tank had 11400 hp fully buffed, 4 cleric rot pause 30, with 3 shammies spot healing. 2 cleric bots also were healing a bit, cus they were for RT and noone took rampage damage.
Dropped Gem Choker and PoS signet (gratz rot =/)
if u plan this right u can get ur raid there without killing everything exept the froggy to spawn this guy it will be hard but will save allot of time
Thanks Duke Ardnahoy
Noble Lord Protector of the 70th Crusade
Fennin Ro that is very helpful to know now I can go on this raid and not be a dummy.
Noble Lord Protector of the 70th Crusade
Fennin Ro that is very helpful to know now I can go on this raid and not be a dummy.
17 posts
how long does it take for LMM to pop after a server resets?
On a server reset, he SHOULD insta pop, like most PoP deities. Might be a one or two hour delay for anyone caught in his area or fighting him on a server down. But, by the time everyone logs in, and the raid gets up and moving, he should be up, I'd imagine.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 11 2004 at 4:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) the dude who posted im proud to be a hardcore loser.... bravo =)
I am a holy paladin of Mithaniel Marr.
I don't role play a lot, but some.
How can I help slay my own diety??
I don't role play a lot, but some.
How can I help slay my own diety??
14 posts
Well to cap it off, MM challenges you to defeat him in return for helping you gain access to the elemental planes. You don't kill him because he is a god, just respawns a.s.a.p.
-Now the opinion about roleplayers, They're a respectable class, they add spice to the bazaar for one. Just another thought: I doubt anyone who has to define people as newbs or rpers just because they don't get the urge to level everything to 65+ as soon as possible has nothing to prove for himself, I'd say might even be one of them, but that makes it sound like a bad thing.
-I'm level 67, have assortments of 65+ characters with time+ gear, have a nice raiding guild that raids 2-3 times a week, and more. I don't usually go flaunting this off. I also have my epic 1.5s for every character I have =) cept trader bot.
-Just another thing Lady Barthebi, If you plan on showing anything don't overinflate your magelo and say it's you. There's no way anyone has that combo of gear, for one some of the augs you're using are very rare and most people even the ones raiding anguish don't have them. Those augs require raids just to get them for ONE person. Full AAs on every char? nah. Trust me man, I don't hate you, but atleast be willing to tell the truth about what you use. The fact that you have to cover up your true gear just shows that you aren't proud about what you are. And to those who say "you guys are all loozers, get a life. I have a hot girlfriend"
***** off, you're in our world now.
-Now the opinion about roleplayers, They're a respectable class, they add spice to the bazaar for one. Just another thought: I doubt anyone who has to define people as newbs or rpers just because they don't get the urge to level everything to 65+ as soon as possible has nothing to prove for himself, I'd say might even be one of them, but that makes it sound like a bad thing.
-I'm level 67, have assortments of 65+ characters with time+ gear, have a nice raiding guild that raids 2-3 times a week, and more. I don't usually go flaunting this off. I also have my epic 1.5s for every character I have =) cept trader bot.
-Just another thing Lady Barthebi, If you plan on showing anything don't overinflate your magelo and say it's you. There's no way anyone has that combo of gear, for one some of the augs you're using are very rare and most people even the ones raiding anguish don't have them. Those augs require raids just to get them for ONE person. Full AAs on every char? nah. Trust me man, I don't hate you, but atleast be willing to tell the truth about what you use. The fact that you have to cover up your true gear just shows that you aren't proud about what you are. And to those who say "you guys are all loozers, get a life. I have a hot girlfriend"
***** off, you're in our world now.
Remember, this is a test of strength and valor in battle. As I understand the PoP storyline properly (I haven't gotten to MM yet) you are trying to prove that you deserve to have access to some part of the history of Zeboxoruk. To do this you must defeat him in battle. Alliances and right or wrong are irrelevant in PoP.
Besides, you can't kill him. These are Gods. They will reform and be back. (until EQ2 that is).
Besides, you can't kill him. These are Gods. They will reform and be back. (until EQ2 that is).
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35 posts
I disagree with ehlron, this IS a test of strenght and honor, you see, this is not KILLING him, he CHALLENGED you to a battle, if you read the stories of deity's that is! I have read them all, this is a duel, he is challenging you to a battle and if you win, you are granted one step closer to Elemental Planes, in which you will have to fight him again (at Quarm, whom you have to fight all gods to get to) So you see, you are not killing him, and you are KoS to him anyways! I have a 65 pally, killed him 5-7 times and i was KoS the FIRST time, i have a picture but i cannot post it cause it would make this page take forever to come up... but thats beside the point... you ARENT killing him... so just take a dive and attack him!
NEWS FLASH ... you don't kill Karana, you talk to him
Seems like your deity has been corrupted somewhere along the line.
Mithaniel is known as the Truthbringer, and as such should value Truth above all. Yet he won't tell you the truth about Zebuxoruk. No wonder all these hardcore Clerics and Paladins want to kill him - he's betrayed them.
But yes, you don't kill the deities, since they don't have a body you can touch.
You're only killing their avatar, or (if you'd prefer), the anthropomorphic personification of the deity :)
Mithaniel is known as the Truthbringer, and as such should value Truth above all. Yet he won't tell you the truth about Zebuxoruk. No wonder all these hardcore Clerics and Paladins want to kill him - he's betrayed them.
But yes, you don't kill the deities, since they don't have a body you can touch.
You're only killing their avatar, or (if you'd prefer), the anthropomorphic personification of the deity :)
This could be the case, however also consider that one must either: A) Prove they are worthy of the truth or B) Prove they are even capable of undertaking the task to free Zeb.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Dec 10 2004 at 1:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) you guys are a bunch of idiots. get a frigin life go out once and a while
I "go out" quite often, have a full life, etc. I'd rather turn the option around. If you aren't getting any value out of EQ as a story,reading the lore, etc., what kind of life would you have?
- Brought to you by Croix! The everpresent board troll.
- Brought to you by Croix! The everpresent board troll.
Indeed, EQ isn't just a game, it actually has a fairly full story and history, assuming anyone ever bothered to read as they go anymore
I highly disagree, you sir, merely have no creativity. It is your limited ability to RP only within preset bounds that marr RP'ers in general.
Marr is about Honor right? How do you earn the "honor" of entering the Temple of Marr? Three trials. So, what would he do before he you got the Cipher? You think Marr would just hand over that? No, he'd likely put you through another trial. What better trial than himself?
Remember, the issue with Zeb that the gods had was he discovered how to become immortal like the gods... anything sinking in?
The gods are immortal. You CAN'T slay Mithaniel Marr, Innoruuk, Solusek Ro, etc etc. They come back, they are immortal. You basically just put them out of commission for a bit, a la "I, Garland, will knock you all down!" ((I sincerely hope someone get's that reference.))
Also, consider Mithaniel Marr... whom did he have a friendly rivalry with, according to original release lore, which is still unupdated on the SOE EQLive site? Solusek Ro, who has anger issues, and is part of the assault on Norrath as revenge for Zeb. Mithaniel Marr would likely know this.
Mithaniel Marr values combat as part of honor, there is no doubt. Try to be creative, or ask others for ideas, as the original poster did. RPing does NOT need to limit your access in Norrath.
In fact, RP'ers have every right and the skill to go the same places the hardcore raiders can, it just takes us a tad longer =). I'm a Tier'dal RP'er, though I admit my desire to RP was much marred by a former guildmate who was at the opposite end of the RP spectrum. She broke all the lore, brought in D&D deities, made herself a vampire, mental powers, I can do anything, etc etc etc. I bring my RP, limited as it has been, and trying to recoup it, to the raiding alliance I am a part of which includes members of an FV RP guild, Skathris Ven Sho. Good, solid RP'ers, Iksar only guild, and master of Iksar lore. And we argue, we fight, we take snipes at each other, but we find in character ways to reason working with each other. And it has led to duels, and I have had my *** handed to me, and yet fought again... It's part of RP. Get creative, get motivated, and get gaming!
Marr is about Honor right? How do you earn the "honor" of entering the Temple of Marr? Three trials. So, what would he do before he you got the Cipher? You think Marr would just hand over that? No, he'd likely put you through another trial. What better trial than himself?
Remember, the issue with Zeb that the gods had was he discovered how to become immortal like the gods... anything sinking in?
The gods are immortal. You CAN'T slay Mithaniel Marr, Innoruuk, Solusek Ro, etc etc. They come back, they are immortal. You basically just put them out of commission for a bit, a la "I, Garland, will knock you all down!" ((I sincerely hope someone get's that reference.))
Also, consider Mithaniel Marr... whom did he have a friendly rivalry with, according to original release lore, which is still unupdated on the SOE EQLive site? Solusek Ro, who has anger issues, and is part of the assault on Norrath as revenge for Zeb. Mithaniel Marr would likely know this.
Mithaniel Marr values combat as part of honor, there is no doubt. Try to be creative, or ask others for ideas, as the original poster did. RPing does NOT need to limit your access in Norrath.
In fact, RP'ers have every right and the skill to go the same places the hardcore raiders can, it just takes us a tad longer =). I'm a Tier'dal RP'er, though I admit my desire to RP was much marred by a former guildmate who was at the opposite end of the RP spectrum. She broke all the lore, brought in D&D deities, made herself a vampire, mental powers, I can do anything, etc etc etc. I bring my RP, limited as it has been, and trying to recoup it, to the raiding alliance I am a part of which includes members of an FV RP guild, Skathris Ven Sho. Good, solid RP'ers, Iksar only guild, and master of Iksar lore. And we argue, we fight, we take snipes at each other, but we find in character ways to reason working with each other. And it has led to duels, and I have had my *** handed to me, and yet fought again... It's part of RP. Get creative, get motivated, and get gaming!
21 posts
This post will prolly be rated awfull but I have to say it.
RPing is for tardos.
It is my belief that there are three levels of gamers...
1)Newbs, it is a blessing and a curse to be labled as a Newb. You do not have all the nice items/money of a twink and are normally not as skilled a player however you often recieve free stuff and can do retarded things and blame the fact that you are new. These ppl have recently started playing and can range in lvl between 1-30 (note: this is a soft cap and can easily go higher and ofter high level players can exibit newbish qualities) Also all monks fall into this catagory (sorry guys)
2)Rpers, the worst catagory to be in because it means you suck because you choose to suck not because you are new and confused. Can range in lvl 1-55, will often have at least 3 times the play time of a charecter the same lvl as themselves and say retarded things that nobody wants to hear. These ppl also annoy others by calling on the power of their gods to cast spells or fight.
3)Powergamers/Commited players, Make up the vast majority of the EQ community. These ppl play all the damn time(and have something to show for it as opposed to RPers) Every high end guild or player falls into this catagory.. some may claim to enjoy RPing but they are not devoted to it and are weaker than someone in a similiar condition that does not RP. Lvl Range: 65+(Note:Alts can be lower but you better have them in the 60's within a week)
This is the way that it is and the way that it shall forever be.... I am proud to put myself in the third catagory.
RPing is for tardos.
It is my belief that there are three levels of gamers...
1)Newbs, it is a blessing and a curse to be labled as a Newb. You do not have all the nice items/money of a twink and are normally not as skilled a player however you often recieve free stuff and can do retarded things and blame the fact that you are new. These ppl have recently started playing and can range in lvl between 1-30 (note: this is a soft cap and can easily go higher and ofter high level players can exibit newbish qualities) Also all monks fall into this catagory (sorry guys)
2)Rpers, the worst catagory to be in because it means you suck because you choose to suck not because you are new and confused. Can range in lvl 1-55, will often have at least 3 times the play time of a charecter the same lvl as themselves and say retarded things that nobody wants to hear. These ppl also annoy others by calling on the power of their gods to cast spells or fight.
3)Powergamers/Commited players, Make up the vast majority of the EQ community. These ppl play all the damn time(and have something to show for it as opposed to RPers) Every high end guild or player falls into this catagory.. some may claim to enjoy RPing but they are not devoted to it and are weaker than someone in a similiar condition that does not RP. Lvl Range: 65+(Note:Alts can be lower but you better have them in the 60's within a week)
This is the way that it is and the way that it shall forever be.... I am proud to put myself in the third catagory.
I don't roleplay myself unless part of a guild or special event, but I respect those who do. It takes a lot of effort to stick to the strict rules laid out by RP (Side note: How do you guys go AFK bio? :p) and even more to advance through the ranks if you choose not to group with people of certain race or alignment. It's a self-enforced penalty. How many of you would be where you are today if you'd chosen not to group with "that ugly Ogre/Iksar/Troll over there" because "his ancestors burned my village to the ground"? It takes discipline.
And just because you're grouped with a hardcore RPer doesn't mean you have to start saying "I have been bested by thee, foul Iksar. Thy family shall feel the sting of a thousand blades for all eternity!", just accept that it's the way they're playing and deal with it. If you don't know the language you'll only make an idiot of yourself trying.
At least he was right about one thing though - his post got an Awful rating from me...
And just because you're grouped with a hardcore RPer doesn't mean you have to start saying "I have been bested by thee, foul Iksar. Thy family shall feel the sting of a thousand blades for all eternity!", just accept that it's the way they're playing and deal with it. If you don't know the language you'll only make an idiot of yourself trying.
At least he was right about one thing though - his post got an Awful rating from me...
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Sorry, but i had to post this...
FireMaster, you are a Class A Newb!!! I am going to list a few things about EverQuest:
Firstly, this is a ROLEPLAYING game...
Secondly, if you are going to lable people as bad things, such as newb, RP'er which you labeled as BAD (heres the quote)
and it ISNT bad i, personally, am a RP'er... I dont go to the extent of calling on Mithaniel Marr to cast my stuns and everything, but i do keep roleplay on and occasionally change my incoming hot button to saying things like:
But even so... i dont keep it like that... If you have ANY comments whatsoever please post it on my site :
http://sheetz.piczo.com (click on the Guest Book link and post whatever comment you have in there)
Thanks,
Lady Barthebi
MAGELO LINKS:
Barthebi
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1100790
Liliani
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1045022
(Yes, Liliani HAS tanked before... not so well though..)
Edited, Sat Oct 30 10:55:19 2004
FireMaster, you are a Class A Newb!!! I am going to list a few things about EverQuest:
Firstly, this is a ROLEPLAYING game...
Secondly, if you are going to lable people as bad things, such as newb, RP'er which you labeled as BAD (heres the quote)
Quote:
Rpers, the worst catagory to be in because it means you suck because you choose to suck not because you are new and confused.
and it ISNT bad i, personally, am a RP'er... I dont go to the extent of calling on Mithaniel Marr to cast my stuns and everything, but i do keep roleplay on and occasionally change my incoming hot button to saying things like:
Quote:
Incoming Target let us smite him with the almight power of Lord Mithaniel Marr !!!
But even so... i dont keep it like that... If you have ANY comments whatsoever please post it on my site :
http://sheetz.piczo.com (click on the Guest Book link and post whatever comment you have in there)
Thanks,
Lady Barthebi
MAGELO LINKS:
Barthebi
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1100790
Liliani
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1045022
(Yes, Liliani HAS tanked before... not so well though..)
Edited, Sat Oct 30 10:55:19 2004
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Well wow, what an ignorant and narrow-minded attitude about ROLEPLAYING in a ROLEPLAYING game...
Try this category on for size... I was stomping Quarm's guts out over a year ago when you were still trying to figure out how to kill Baal over on battlenet... it's an RPG game, kiddo. And being an RPG'er and a power-gamer aren't mutually exclusive. Give it a whirl sometime... assuming your imagination is still intact after all those LDoN's.
Oh, and I've been an AVID roleplayer too... ever since I started playing EQ in early 2000.
Toodles,
~ Kj
~ too much of a lady to say more than this,
and besides... Zerolk already did such an
excellent job in his reply.
Edited, Mon Oct 18 05:33:53 2004
Try this category on for size... I was stomping Quarm's guts out over a year ago when you were still trying to figure out how to kill Baal over on battlenet... it's an RPG game, kiddo. And being an RPG'er and a power-gamer aren't mutually exclusive. Give it a whirl sometime... assuming your imagination is still intact after all those LDoN's.
Oh, and I've been an AVID roleplayer too... ever since I started playing EQ in early 2000.
Toodles,
~ Kj
~ too much of a lady to say more than this,
and besides... Zerolk already did such an
excellent job in his reply.
Edited, Mon Oct 18 05:33:53 2004
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 11 2004 at 2:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm a commited player - but I'm no RPer... I have a 48 pally. I don't care what you think cause I fit into category 3 - I just quest a lot and junk... and my lvling is slow :/
Scholar
30 posts
you sir should be ranked in category #4:
Lamers who think they are to be considered power gamers, the source of all knowledge, and the king of the game, but (un)fortuantely are not.
you "FireMaster" (oo, what an original name) have some weird ideas.
Regardless of when you started playing you were a newb, n00b, or whatever you 1337z want to call it. Just because you might have reached 65, (assuming since you do not have a magelo or any other profile) does not make you a powergamer, and your recent post makes you sound more like a idiot.
So what if people role-play? guess what, Everquest is a MMORPG, that stands for
Massive Multiplayer Online ROLEPLAYING Game
I think you got the massive, online, and the game parts down, but it seems like you forgot that its a multiplayer(yes, it means you play with other people, not just your own little world where you are the self-appointed lamer king).
As for roleplaying, i dont role-play much, but i probably would if half of the game population did.
(blah blah go play on Firionia Vie, blah blah)
it just gripes me when I am in a zone and someone /shouts about some sport game, or television show that is totally unrealated to EQ.
if i wanted to hear about some lamer team on lamer espn beating another lamer team with a lamer score in a lamer stadium, i would just go watch it myself.
As "Jimmyn" posted:
finally a person who does quests instead of camping the bazaar once they've spent real-life money for in-game platinum
I find some misinformation in that quote.
a power gamer does not mean that you have to be 1-65 in one night and have 300+some AAs in one week, a power gamer is someone who blows through content.
People in high end guilds? there not power gamers, at least a lot of them are not, they're just more "Highend" because most of them know how to play, and have been at it longer then others, not because they spend all day and night without a life playing EQ, and contrary to your belief that most people that play everquest that are not "newbs" or role-players are power gamers? well a recent survey states that over 2/3 of the EQ population are casual players meaning, they level, quest (yes quest),raid (yes you CAN quest AND raid at the same time), and most of those are well into EP.
I know people that raid once a night, thats not power gamers, thats just use of time-wisely.
And guess what? time flagged. not power gamer guild, high end, but not power gamered.
and you (FireMaster) posted:
Most of EQ is quests, taking down LMM is part of Planar Progression (its a quest. what are you going to do now? quit progression in the planes because its a quest? well i guess firemaster wont ever see time.)
You want to know where all that Non-nodrop equipment that is so "uber" comes from that you FireMaster buy from the bazaar that is sooo better then quested armor?, go ahead guess...
...
...
take your time
...
...
okay, your taking too long
the answer is...QUESTS, whether they are quest rewards or loot from a quest mob, most pieces of equipment in the bazaar comes from quests.
You know what? just because you leveled without enjoying the game and doing quests, you still need money to buy upgrades,
and guess what? i dont think you can acculmulate enough money without straying from the powerific leveling mill and go farming. UNLESS your a pathetic 24/7 "FireMaster defined powergamer" that lives in the basement leaching off of their parent's money, buying ebayed platinum.
Back to roleplaying,
(edited thought: why would they have 1/3 the play time as other people? /boggle)
There should be more roleplayers, and I wish I could roleplay better, and have the opportunity to do so, but most people like you FireMaster most likely do not even know how the Vah Shir got on the moon. (Yes this is game lore, and you probably would consider it nerdy to know and gamelore small or large)
For the most part, role-players seem to be able to play their class very well.
I remember a iksar who mentioned Cazic Thule in their incoming message.
But you Firemaster probably dont even know who Cazic Thule is, or that he's the god of Iksars, and some ogres and trolls.
I would almost bet that you dont even know why the ogres are so stoopid.
Role-playing isnt retarded, Roleplayers arent retarded either.
"Retarded" (using your words) Roleplayers are better players then you will ever be.
Even if you are time flagged (which i doubt you are) you missed out on a huge chunk of the game by shunning quests, and game lore.
Heh, have you ever thought: why am i fighting this guy? or are you just a person who thinks, hey a_ugly_monster_78914595...lets go kill it, and see if it drops anything shiny.
5 minutes of hacking, and redundant casting of spells, (cuz there shiny), a_rodent, finally dies, after running and training 15 moss snakes on you.
"oooo, a nodrop item without any stats droped!, and i cant equip it, it looks like it might be something used it a...qu..que..quest!! eek, better go wash my hands in acidic water cuz i just touched a quest item, that might potentialy yield a item greater then anything i can buy in the uber bazaar!!1!!"
Me thinks you are the latter.
roleplaying adds depth to the game, without it, eq would just be
"Go kill something"
if you want a game without plot and endless killing go play unreal tournament
but then again, its got a plot: a tournament
well, i guess your pretty much stuck with your ignorance in trying to find a game without a plot, background, or a vague storyline.
like i said, or didnt say (kinda lost track)
its EverQUEST, not Ever1337
(well, i dont think i said it, but there it is)
in conclusion i would like to say in response to the following quote:
Well, Firemaster, you dont fit in group 3, sorry. You're best bet would be to catogorize yourself in group 4 and stop doing stupid things and learn how to play the game...then you will be placed happily in group 1
I am a Gnome necromancer, i didnt make a necromancer to be a loner, i made it so i didnt have to group with idiots like you Firemaster.
hmm, if i dont know any better, i think you are a big smelly stoopid ogre. but what do i know? im just trying to enjoy the game without losing too many brain cells reading posts like the one i am responding to.
I myself am not even Elemental flagged, but i dont really care, im just enjoying the game as i go, which i think more people need to slow down and do also.
Ok, im done, no more editing.
EDIT: if i edit this thing anymore, ill lose even more brain cells.
PS: roleplayers pwnz
Edited, Mon Sep 6 01:24:37 2004
Lamers who think they are to be considered power gamers, the source of all knowledge, and the king of the game, but (un)fortuantely are not.
you "FireMaster" (oo, what an original name) have some weird ideas.
Regardless of when you started playing you were a newb, n00b, or whatever you 1337z want to call it. Just because you might have reached 65, (assuming since you do not have a magelo or any other profile) does not make you a powergamer, and your recent post makes you sound more like a idiot.
So what if people role-play? guess what, Everquest is a MMORPG, that stands for
Massive Multiplayer Online ROLEPLAYING Game
I think you got the massive, online, and the game parts down, but it seems like you forgot that its a multiplayer(yes, it means you play with other people, not just your own little world where you are the self-appointed lamer king).
As for roleplaying, i dont role-play much, but i probably would if half of the game population did.
(blah blah go play on Firionia Vie, blah blah)
it just gripes me when I am in a zone and someone /shouts about some sport game, or television show that is totally unrealated to EQ.
if i wanted to hear about some lamer team on lamer espn beating another lamer team with a lamer score in a lamer stadium, i would just go watch it myself.
As "Jimmyn" posted:
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I'm a commited player - but I'm no RPer... I have a 48 pally. I don't care what you think cause I fit into category 3 - I just quest a lot and junk... and my lvling is slow
finally a person who does quests instead of camping the bazaar once they've spent real-life money for in-game platinum
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Powergamers/Commited players, Make up the vast majority of the EQ community. These ppl play all the damn time(and have something to show for it as opposed to RPers) Every high end guild or player falls into this catagory
I find some misinformation in that quote.
a power gamer does not mean that you have to be 1-65 in one night and have 300+some AAs in one week, a power gamer is someone who blows through content.
People in high end guilds? there not power gamers, at least a lot of them are not, they're just more "Highend" because most of them know how to play, and have been at it longer then others, not because they spend all day and night without a life playing EQ, and contrary to your belief that most people that play everquest that are not "newbs" or role-players are power gamers? well a recent survey states that over 2/3 of the EQ population are casual players meaning, they level, quest (yes quest),raid (yes you CAN quest AND raid at the same time), and most of those are well into EP.
I know people that raid once a night, thats not power gamers, thats just use of time-wisely.
And guess what? time flagged. not power gamer guild, high end, but not power gamered.
and you (FireMaster) posted:
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you quest and junk? why when you could just lvl and buy better stuff (for the most part)?
Most of EQ is quests, taking down LMM is part of Planar Progression (its a quest. what are you going to do now? quit progression in the planes because its a quest? well i guess firemaster wont ever see time.)
You want to know where all that Non-nodrop equipment that is so "uber" comes from that you FireMaster buy from the bazaar that is sooo better then quested armor?, go ahead guess...
...
...
take your time
...
...
okay, your taking too long
the answer is...QUESTS, whether they are quest rewards or loot from a quest mob, most pieces of equipment in the bazaar comes from quests.
You know what? just because you leveled without enjoying the game and doing quests, you still need money to buy upgrades,
and guess what? i dont think you can acculmulate enough money without straying from the powerific leveling mill and go farming. UNLESS your a pathetic 24/7 "FireMaster defined powergamer" that lives in the basement leaching off of their parent's money, buying ebayed platinum.
Back to roleplaying,
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2)Rpers, the worst catagory to be in because it means you suck because you choose to suck not because you are new and confused. Can range in lvl 1-55, will often have at least 3 times the play time of a charecter the same lvl as themselves and say retarded things that nobody wants to hear. These ppl also annoy others by calling on the power of their gods to cast spells or fight.
(edited thought: why would they have 1/3 the play time as other people? /boggle)
There should be more roleplayers, and I wish I could roleplay better, and have the opportunity to do so, but most people like you FireMaster most likely do not even know how the Vah Shir got on the moon. (Yes this is game lore, and you probably would consider it nerdy to know and gamelore small or large)
For the most part, role-players seem to be able to play their class very well.
I remember a iksar who mentioned Cazic Thule in their incoming message.
But you Firemaster probably dont even know who Cazic Thule is, or that he's the god of Iksars, and some ogres and trolls.
I would almost bet that you dont even know why the ogres are so stoopid.
Role-playing isnt retarded, Roleplayers arent retarded either.
"Retarded" (using your words) Roleplayers are better players then you will ever be.
Even if you are time flagged (which i doubt you are) you missed out on a huge chunk of the game by shunning quests, and game lore.
Heh, have you ever thought: why am i fighting this guy? or are you just a person who thinks, hey a_ugly_monster_78914595...lets go kill it, and see if it drops anything shiny.
5 minutes of hacking, and redundant casting of spells, (cuz there shiny), a_rodent, finally dies, after running and training 15 moss snakes on you.
"oooo, a nodrop item without any stats droped!, and i cant equip it, it looks like it might be something used it a...qu..que..quest!! eek, better go wash my hands in acidic water cuz i just touched a quest item, that might potentialy yield a item greater then anything i can buy in the uber bazaar!!1!!"
Me thinks you are the latter.
roleplaying adds depth to the game, without it, eq would just be
"Go kill something"
if you want a game without plot and endless killing go play unreal tournament
but then again, its got a plot: a tournament
well, i guess your pretty much stuck with your ignorance in trying to find a game without a plot, background, or a vague storyline.
like i said, or didnt say (kinda lost track)
its EverQUEST, not Ever1337
(well, i dont think i said it, but there it is)
in conclusion i would like to say in response to the following quote:
Quote:
Well friend you don't fit in group 3, sorry. You're best bet would be to catagorize yourself in group 1 and stop doing stupid things and get to 65... then you will be placed happily in group 3
Well, Firemaster, you dont fit in group 3, sorry. You're best bet would be to catogorize yourself in group 4 and stop doing stupid things and learn how to play the game...then you will be placed happily in group 1
I am a Gnome necromancer, i didnt make a necromancer to be a loner, i made it so i didnt have to group with idiots like you Firemaster.
hmm, if i dont know any better, i think you are a big smelly stoopid ogre. but what do i know? im just trying to enjoy the game without losing too many brain cells reading posts like the one i am responding to.
I myself am not even Elemental flagged, but i dont really care, im just enjoying the game as i go, which i think more people need to slow down and do also.
Ok, im done, no more editing.
EDIT: if i edit this thing anymore, ill lose even more brain cells.
PS: roleplayers pwnz
Edited, Mon Sep 6 01:24:37 2004
I very well responded post Zerolk Scholar, I applaud you, stating things as you see it as a non-roleplayer or semi-roleplayer, you were very objective, I wish more people would roleplay, or at least respect roleplayers.
Scholar
30 posts
I agree. This guy needs to go back to Diablo 2.
I wonder if he even knows how to get to Guk. lol
I'd like to see his kill list. Doubt he has any old world kills on there.
I'd like to roleplay more, but the game mechanics just don't support it enough. It kinda makes it difficult at times.
ps: Just wanted to say I started playing at release. Quit for a long while. Started back in the beginning of '04. Never had a char above 40. I never roleplay.
Here's a list of my current char's accomplishments:
10-05-04 - ToFS - Floor 5 - An Enraged Relative
10-02-04 - Lower Guk - Minotaur Patriarch, A Froglok Herbalist, & A Huge Water Elemental
09-28-04 - ToFS - Floor 4 - Amontehepna & Narmak Berreka
09-25-04 - Kaesora
09-11-04 - Crypt of Dalnir
09-07-04 - ToFS - Floor 3 - An Enraged Shadow Beast
09-04-04 - Sol A - Solusek Goblin King & Lord Gimblox
08-31-04 - ToFS - Floor 3 - Zorglim the Dead
08-28-04 - Mistmoore Castle - Princess Cherista & Lasna Cheroon
08-24-04 - ToFS - Floor 2 - An Angry Librarian
08-20-04 - Splitpaw Lair - Verishe Mal Executioner
08-18-04 - ToFS - Floor 2
08-14-04 - Permafrost - An Ice Giant Diplomat, King Thex'Ka IV, & High Priest Zaharn
08-10-04 - ToFS - Floor 1 - A Large Undead Gnoll
08-07-04 - Unrest - Garanel Rucksif (Ghost) & Undead Knight
08-03-04 - ToFS - Floor 1
07-27-04 - Sarnak Fort
07-24-04 - Sol A
07-22-04 - Runnyeye - Battlewizard Unak & Lord Pickclaw
07-17-04 - Najena - Najena
07-15-04 - Aviak City
07-10-04 - Unrest
07-03-04 - Upper Guk
07-02-04 - Kerra Isle - Princess Mitty
06-19-04 - Befallen
06-18-04 - Kurn's Tower
06-12-04 - Blackburrow
06-11-04 - Steamfont Minotaurs
Lovin' the content so far!
Edited, Fri Oct 8 13:46:14 2004
I wonder if he even knows how to get to Guk. lol
I'd like to see his kill list. Doubt he has any old world kills on there.
I'd like to roleplay more, but the game mechanics just don't support it enough. It kinda makes it difficult at times.
ps: Just wanted to say I started playing at release. Quit for a long while. Started back in the beginning of '04. Never had a char above 40. I never roleplay.
Here's a list of my current char's accomplishments:
10-05-04 - ToFS - Floor 5 - An Enraged Relative
10-02-04 - Lower Guk - Minotaur Patriarch, A Froglok Herbalist, & A Huge Water Elemental
09-28-04 - ToFS - Floor 4 - Amontehepna & Narmak Berreka
09-25-04 - Kaesora
09-11-04 - Crypt of Dalnir
09-07-04 - ToFS - Floor 3 - An Enraged Shadow Beast
09-04-04 - Sol A - Solusek Goblin King & Lord Gimblox
08-31-04 - ToFS - Floor 3 - Zorglim the Dead
08-28-04 - Mistmoore Castle - Princess Cherista & Lasna Cheroon
08-24-04 - ToFS - Floor 2 - An Angry Librarian
08-20-04 - Splitpaw Lair - Verishe Mal Executioner
08-18-04 - ToFS - Floor 2
08-14-04 - Permafrost - An Ice Giant Diplomat, King Thex'Ka IV, & High Priest Zaharn
08-10-04 - ToFS - Floor 1 - A Large Undead Gnoll
08-07-04 - Unrest - Garanel Rucksif (Ghost) & Undead Knight
08-03-04 - ToFS - Floor 1
07-27-04 - Sarnak Fort
07-24-04 - Sol A
07-22-04 - Runnyeye - Battlewizard Unak & Lord Pickclaw
07-17-04 - Najena - Najena
07-15-04 - Aviak City
07-10-04 - Unrest
07-03-04 - Upper Guk
07-02-04 - Kerra Isle - Princess Mitty
06-19-04 - Befallen
06-18-04 - Kurn's Tower
06-12-04 - Blackburrow
06-11-04 - Steamfont Minotaurs
Lovin' the content so far!
Edited, Fri Oct 8 13:46:14 2004
Believe Zorglim is on (or was on since atm we are in the middle of the capture of FV on Stromm) the 2nd floor not the 3rd, otherwise a nice list, am happy some stilll try to explore the world they 'live' in a bit
25 posts
Damn right!
Wahan ERU SK Firiona Vie
Shatrezsiss Iksar Shaman Firiona Vie
Wahan ERU SK Firiona Vie
Shatrezsiss Iksar Shaman Firiona Vie
::Stands and applauds::
20 posts
Uh, sorry, but what about the people from 31 to 64? Just wondering what happened to those 33 levels - which are the most prevelant based upon Characters in that range and Play Time in that range - cuz I remember having to play those damnable levels! :p
As for slaying your diety:
He's in your way. You are seeking to free Zeb, and MM won't kick down the cypher you need, so you kick him in the groin. Repeatedly. With feeling.
As for slaying your diety:
He's in your way. You are seeking to free Zeb, and MM won't kick down the cypher you need, so you kick him in the groin. Repeatedly. With feeling.
#REDACTED,
Posted: Jul 07 2004 at 12:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 31-64 = Alt(mostly) Some rpers(until their max) and Newbs(note the soft cap)
<----- is an RP'er
<---- is 66
<---- closing on 100 AA's
<--- Almost EP flagged, will be soon.
You lose =)
Edit:
Now 68, over 100 AA's, EP flagged, fully.
You lose.. again.
Edited, Fri Dec 17 01:46:07 2004
<---- is 66
<---- closing on 100 AA's
<--- Almost EP flagged, will be soon.
You lose =)
Edit:
Now 68, over 100 AA's, EP flagged, fully.
You lose.. again.
Edited, Fri Dec 17 01:46:07 2004
i was laughing until I got to catergory 3. Ive been playing for about 2 years and im still not 65. I dont rp and im not a noob..I just play the game and have fun doing it. I play alot too, but im always having fun, weather that be lvling, helping others, or just chatting with people. Psh you suck.
That is a very biased opinion about role-playing. I rated it awful. I was about to quit Everquest until I found role-playing to be fun and exciting new perspective in the game.
Edited, Sat Aug 21 00:18:01 2004
Edited, Sat Aug 21 00:18:01 2004
Have noticed that many people who neglect the storyline to be similar, they just try to blow through their levels quickly and reach the end of the game as fast as they can. While I do not Roleplay on a constant basis (allowing myself assorted geme termanology a High elf wouldn't know (Though I must say that if any race/class were to suddenly be granted knowlege of the game, It would be an Elven Wizard!) If I encounter one in-character, I RP back at them, it is FUN to accost someone due to race, complement a lady's skin cause she is elven, discuss magic with other players (and insist that yours is the best, because anyone can tell I get the most use out of my mystic energy) I have not leveled fast myself because...I don't really want to. If I was level 70, Phinny would not have been as much a pain in the rear as he was, VS would have been cake with a friend, and the golem in fear...well i still don't like him, but it would have been easier. And at the end of it all, i could not look at my staff, which took me over 24 kills of Phinny (started counting after I had killed a few times, so actual count is unknown, still killing him because i know other wizards are looking to repeat my accomplishment, and somehow he keeps getting ahold of that damn staff, Arantir is tiring me...can't open the bag my butt, first thing Soloman did, second was lose the staves again!) 3 or 4 of VS, a single kill of the golem, but he has enough HP that one is enough. But now I look at my staff and feel a sense of accomplishment even though it's just 1's and 0's, it's a pretty little string to me
Actually, if you really get into the lore, the whole idea of good/evil and who worships who is only in play in the prime plane (i.e. where Norrath is). In the planes themselves, these forces no longer hold sway.
The following is a direct quote from the "Maps of Myrst" about the planes:
"Here, the balance of chaos and order, of good and evil, and of the righteous and the wicked do not exist. These morals must be abandoned upon the prime for us to survive the astral domains, for the morals and ethics held dear upon our world hold no meaning upon these realms of the gods."
Edited, Sat Jul 3 14:47:41 2004
The following is a direct quote from the "Maps of Myrst" about the planes:
"Here, the balance of chaos and order, of good and evil, and of the righteous and the wicked do not exist. These morals must be abandoned upon the prime for us to survive the astral domains, for the morals and ethics held dear upon our world hold no meaning upon these realms of the gods."
Edited, Sat Jul 3 14:47:41 2004
Simple, test of strength, and he's a deity, he's immortal. He'll come back. Merely a friendly srimm, that sort of thing.
6 posts
today my guild Fuzzy Slippers on bertox waxxed him with 37 ppl. he dropped the cloak and the rog dagger.....was a nice fight....could be down with less ppl IMO....
LMM is actually an easy fight as long as you have the numbers, he hits like many other PoP bosses, hard and quick, and that 3500DD dosent help matters any, but if you can get him alone hes easy as long as your MT can take a beateing and healers heal well, also helps if enchanters Chain rune, help keep some of that dmg off. other than that hes a fun and easy fight.
ANYTHING is an easy fight if you have the numbers and know what you are doing.
6 posts
lord mithaniel marr is level 77
not 75 =)
not 75 =)
I love how all the showeq people lately have been posting the exact levels.
-Tweed
-Tweed
NOTE:.... it no longer matters if you run out on the floor tiles...adds will not pop from doing so
To get to this plane do you have to do Three Trials, PoJ trial and AD in PoJ if your level 62+
21 posts
Quote:
To get to this plane do you have to do Three Trials, PoJ trial and AD in PoJ if your level 62+
You don't have to be level 62+, but you do have to complete POJ Trail, AD and HoH 3 Trials.
Edited, Fri Oct 1 02:06:44 2004
Scholar
27 posts
You only need to be 62+ to enter. You must only do the tials in HOH to get to Mith. Marr.
LVL 105 Shaman - Drinal
28 posts
Actually don't need Aeri Dar's flag to enter EP.
Tried to get in without PoJ trial at 65 and could not stated I had not proven I was just or something like that. Did the PoJ trial and no problem getting in.
you need PoJ trial and also Aerin Dar's flag to be able to get through to EP's tho
It has been conclusively proven several times that the Planar Projection despawns in a flat amount of time after the raid wins. Meaning if you kill LMM, you have about five minutes for everyone to hail. If nobody hails, then it will still despawn.
its 15 min not 5
What does the Seer in POK say when you complete this? I am not sure if I have done this one or not...I had some guild friends log me on when I wasnt on and get me a few flags and I am not sure if this was one of them.
21 posts
*cough* someone bought a char *cough*
Lol, says a guy who will prolly hit 70 and sell his character because theres no more levels to hit
19 posts
Why don't you ask your guildies what mob they logged you in for maybe.
This is one of those raids where one single person can wipe the entire raid by making a mistake. If you can get 60+ people to listen to instructions and pay attention, then it is not very hard at all. Every failed MM raid that I've atended has had the same cause - people not listening to instructions. This encounter requires precision and a lot of patience.
The one most important thing to remember is that everyone has to stay off the floor tiles in MM's chamber. Make sure to tell every rogue in the raid to keep the hell off the floor tiles, as they are notorious for walking onto the floor to position themselves for backstabs. I usually watch for people doing this and send them direct tells.
Next thing to keep track of is push from pets. Keep your pet classes under control. Every single MM raid I go to has a handful of numbskull mages and beasties that simply can't bear the tought of not having their companion summoned at all times. They sic their pets on every mob and then the pets push the mobs onto the floor, and people follow onto the floor, stepping on the tiles, getting agro, wiping the raid. Tell all the pet classes to refrain from using pets until the final battle with MM, and only summon pets when MM is cornered.
Another raid killer are the rangers who insist on using arrows when told not to. Arrows break mez, and adds will wipe the raid very quickly.
Patience is a virtue here. You have to fight in a confined area. It is very hard to move around when 70 people are crammed in a tight spot. Its even harder when people mount their horsies or lizards, but refuse to be shrunk, or to stick to the wall.
Last thing to watch out for happens just after MM dies. If all went well, MM is dead and there will be 4-5 cats on the floor that didn't add because people listened. Unfortunately, the planar projection is standing right in the middle of the floor. I've been on two raids that wiped after MM died because of people running onto the floor to hail the projection, agroing every cat onto the raid. Make sure people know that the planar projection will not go away, and that killing MM is not the last thing to do. Kill the adds, then flag your raid. The projection will stick around for about 2 minutes after it is first hailed, so keep the newbs from jumping the gun on hails until all adds are dead, and all raid members are rezzed.
Here is a breakdown of my MM raid experiences so that you can learn from these mistakes:
Raid #1: MM wins - raid has MM down to 67% until some unknown person who wasn't even in the raid but was only "watching" from the hallway agroes hallway respawns and bring 4 cats to the raid. Wipe.
Raid #2: MM wins - raid has MM down to 37% until some idiot ranger decides to use an arrow and breaks 4 cat mezzes. Wipe.
Raid #3: MM wins - rogues kept walking onto the tiles, cats kept coming when not expected, wipe at MM pull.
Raid #4: MM loses, we all lose - We kill MM, then some dipweed goes and hails the projection and agroes 5 cats then brings them back to the raid while we were rezzing corpses. Wipe after MM dies and only the one idiot gets flag.
Raid #5: MM wins - enchanter gets summoned onto the floor by cat that broke mez, then stays on the floor and agroes every cat that spawns during the fight. MM down to 77%, raid wipes.
Raid #6: MM loses, 80% of raid loses - Again, after MM dies, some impatient jerk runs to the projection and agroes 6 cats. We let him die and resume corpse rezzing. Then, someone pulls the cats out of boredom and raid tries to handle 6 cats whith half the people buffless under rez effects, and the other half LoM. 20 seconds later, 70% of the raid is dead and all 6 cats are tearing up the rest. Someone makes a dash to the projection and ninja hails it then gates out. Another handful of people abandon the tanks and run to get their flags then bail. I hit DA and got to the projection for the final flag before we all died.
Raid #7: MM loses - This time, everyone listens and we kill MM and everything went smoothly. It was not an open raid, and 70% of the people were already elemental flaged but were helping backflag new guild members and friends.
Raid #8: MM wins - No one listened, pulls were unannounced, people all over the tiles, folks breaking mez, utter disaster.
The one most important thing to remember is that everyone has to stay off the floor tiles in MM's chamber. Make sure to tell every rogue in the raid to keep the hell off the floor tiles, as they are notorious for walking onto the floor to position themselves for backstabs. I usually watch for people doing this and send them direct tells.
Next thing to keep track of is push from pets. Keep your pet classes under control. Every single MM raid I go to has a handful of numbskull mages and beasties that simply can't bear the tought of not having their companion summoned at all times. They sic their pets on every mob and then the pets push the mobs onto the floor, and people follow onto the floor, stepping on the tiles, getting agro, wiping the raid. Tell all the pet classes to refrain from using pets until the final battle with MM, and only summon pets when MM is cornered.
Another raid killer are the rangers who insist on using arrows when told not to. Arrows break mez, and adds will wipe the raid very quickly.
Patience is a virtue here. You have to fight in a confined area. It is very hard to move around when 70 people are crammed in a tight spot. Its even harder when people mount their horsies or lizards, but refuse to be shrunk, or to stick to the wall.
Last thing to watch out for happens just after MM dies. If all went well, MM is dead and there will be 4-5 cats on the floor that didn't add because people listened. Unfortunately, the planar projection is standing right in the middle of the floor. I've been on two raids that wiped after MM died because of people running onto the floor to hail the projection, agroing every cat onto the raid. Make sure people know that the planar projection will not go away, and that killing MM is not the last thing to do. Kill the adds, then flag your raid. The projection will stick around for about 2 minutes after it is first hailed, so keep the newbs from jumping the gun on hails until all adds are dead, and all raid members are rezzed.
Here is a breakdown of my MM raid experiences so that you can learn from these mistakes:
Raid #1: MM wins - raid has MM down to 67% until some unknown person who wasn't even in the raid but was only "watching" from the hallway agroes hallway respawns and bring 4 cats to the raid. Wipe.
Raid #2: MM wins - raid has MM down to 37% until some idiot ranger decides to use an arrow and breaks 4 cat mezzes. Wipe.
Raid #3: MM wins - rogues kept walking onto the tiles, cats kept coming when not expected, wipe at MM pull.
Raid #4: MM loses, we all lose - We kill MM, then some dipweed goes and hails the projection and agroes 5 cats then brings them back to the raid while we were rezzing corpses. Wipe after MM dies and only the one idiot gets flag.
Raid #5: MM wins - enchanter gets summoned onto the floor by cat that broke mez, then stays on the floor and agroes every cat that spawns during the fight. MM down to 77%, raid wipes.
Raid #6: MM loses, 80% of raid loses - Again, after MM dies, some impatient jerk runs to the projection and agroes 6 cats. We let him die and resume corpse rezzing. Then, someone pulls the cats out of boredom and raid tries to handle 6 cats whith half the people buffless under rez effects, and the other half LoM. 20 seconds later, 70% of the raid is dead and all 6 cats are tearing up the rest. Someone makes a dash to the projection and ninja hails it then gates out. Another handful of people abandon the tanks and run to get their flags then bail. I hit DA and got to the projection for the final flag before we all died.
Raid #7: MM loses - This time, everyone listens and we kill MM and everything went smoothly. It was not an open raid, and 70% of the people were already elemental flaged but were helping backflag new guild members and friends.
Raid #8: MM wins - No one listened, pulls were unannounced, people all over the tiles, folks breaking mez, utter disaster.
Duke Ardnahoy
Noble Lord Protector of the 70th Crusade
Fennin Ro - EQ I
Ardnahoy II
Fearless Guardian of the 40th Tour
Mistmore - EQ II
Noble Lord Protector of the 70th Crusade
Fennin Ro - EQ I
Ardnahoy II
Fearless Guardian of the 40th Tour
Mistmore - EQ II
This is a rough strategy to fighting MM...
Position your raid in the far corner across from MM,
Have a monk pull MM's guards (wrulons) to the raid one by one and kill them FAST. Once they are down...pull MM over to one of the corners near the entrance to his chamber, where the raid should be. Corner MM, have mages and shamans spam pets, and monks DP to push him in to the corner against the tank. Once the tank has good aggro, add your DPS. Have druids SotW, have bards play AE resists near the MA. Keep a good CCH on your tank and wear him down. Watch for rage, collect your loot.
Important...you will get repops during the fight so have an off-tank or mezzer ready, no one in the raid can wander away from the wall. Doing so will wipe the raid.
PP pops in the middle of the room, clear the guards to the PP, hail it...etc etc.
And that, is how it's done...
Position your raid in the far corner across from MM,
Have a monk pull MM's guards (wrulons) to the raid one by one and kill them FAST. Once they are down...pull MM over to one of the corners near the entrance to his chamber, where the raid should be. Corner MM, have mages and shamans spam pets, and monks DP to push him in to the corner against the tank. Once the tank has good aggro, add your DPS. Have druids SotW, have bards play AE resists near the MA. Keep a good CCH on your tank and wear him down. Watch for rage, collect your loot.
Important...you will get repops during the fight so have an off-tank or mezzer ready, no one in the raid can wander away from the wall. Doing so will wipe the raid.
PP pops in the middle of the room, clear the guards to the PP, hail it...etc etc.
And that, is how it's done...
We added a Pally LoH chain on MT...any time MT got to 50%, Chain used next pally's LoH....
Jeeze how many pallies did you have?
Anyways... Pallies don't gotta jump the gun at 50%... especially if you got Improved LoH you can LoH at like 20%...
Anyways... Pallies don't gotta jump the gun at 50%... especially if you got Improved LoH you can LoH at like 20%...
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20 percent is kinda low with 3500 nuke.
if tank has 10k HPs (easy to calculate, I have 9800 and will be engaging LMM as MA for first time soon).
at 20 percent, MA would have 2k HPs, one nuke he is dead.
50% sounds like a good number, so you are not playing russian rullette with the MA.
if tank has 10k HPs (easy to calculate, I have 9800 and will be engaging LMM as MA for first time soon).
at 20 percent, MA would have 2k HPs, one nuke he is dead.
50% sounds like a good number, so you are not playing russian rullette with the MA.
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u forget about SS? (DI to)
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have to be quick with this one, after we killed Marr, rezed really fast and killed the 5 or so mobs that had respawned we ran over to the projection and just as everybody was getting there he despawned. probably only 5 mins after mar was killed. so plan accordingly
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