Itemuhmm no.
I have a 65 bst, all Melee stats/aa's maxed, I've gone toe to toe with bsts with these, and I cream them in DPS.
They are nice to have for a bst no doubt, but to say a bst does as well as a monk *overall* is a silly arguement, because a bst will do much better with 2 high end h2h weapons.
my point is, why try to do "as much" damage as a monk, when with 2 h2h weapons you can do more.
Edited, Thu Sep 4 18:09:12 2003
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"Cream them in DPS" I seriously doubt.
Unless your definition of cream is doing maybe 5-30DPS more depending on Mob.
With a GotF (41/31) im doing about 150-210+DPS would do lil better with this staff. probably 160-220+
Most Monks i know are doing about 190-210DPS with this REBB.
Monks have less variation in their DPS since they dont have to contend with Pets/positioning of/when to use/if can use..
Spells/IF you can use(aggro)/if they stick due to high resist etc.
IF you have done alot better than a Beastlord with this weapon only means your talking about a mob where pet wasnt used &or was highly resistant.
On a Mob where i can use my Pet & isnt highly cold resistant you as a Monk would be lucky to do as much damage let alone so much more as to think of it as "creamed".
Yes I would do slightly better DPS with high end H2H weapons.
BUT not All Beastlords have high end H2H weapons since they usually go to Monks first which is BS.
We Beastlords are religated to take what we can get when we can get it.
Plus a good 2HB is nice to have, as a Beastlord in most instances i have to tone down my atk alot already so i dont get aggro away from the MT.
H2H weapons are much higher aggro than 2HB and only means i have to tone down my atk even more.
I actually find in most cases i do about the same DPS on raids and such with 2HB as i do with H2H since the 2HB causes less aggro i can keep pounding and cast a few extra spells without getting aggro, so works out about the same in the end
2HB is nice also for when i want to tank because of less reposte while still doing good DPS.
So nothing "silly" about it. this is just as viable and usefull a weapon for a Beastlord as it is for a Monk. even though a Monk can possibly do slightly more DPS with it on certain Mobs.
and whats wrong with doing "as much" damage as a Monk?
Edited, Sat Sep 6 11:22:12 2003
Unless your definition of cream is doing maybe 5-30DPS more depending on Mob.
With a GotF (41/31) im doing about 150-210+DPS would do lil better with this staff. probably 160-220+
Most Monks i know are doing about 190-210DPS with this REBB.
Monks have less variation in their DPS since they dont have to contend with Pets/positioning of/when to use/if can use..
Spells/IF you can use(aggro)/if they stick due to high resist etc.
IF you have done alot better than a Beastlord with this weapon only means your talking about a mob where pet wasnt used &or was highly resistant.
On a Mob where i can use my Pet & isnt highly cold resistant you as a Monk would be lucky to do as much damage let alone so much more as to think of it as "creamed".
Yes I would do slightly better DPS with high end H2H weapons.
BUT not All Beastlords have high end H2H weapons since they usually go to Monks first which is BS.
We Beastlords are religated to take what we can get when we can get it.
Plus a good 2HB is nice to have, as a Beastlord in most instances i have to tone down my atk alot already so i dont get aggro away from the MT.
H2H weapons are much higher aggro than 2HB and only means i have to tone down my atk even more.
I actually find in most cases i do about the same DPS on raids and such with 2HB as i do with H2H since the 2HB causes less aggro i can keep pounding and cast a few extra spells without getting aggro, so works out about the same in the end
2HB is nice also for when i want to tank because of less reposte while still doing good DPS.
So nothing "silly" about it. this is just as viable and usefull a weapon for a Beastlord as it is for a Monk. even though a Monk can possibly do slightly more DPS with it on certain Mobs.
and whats wrong with doing "as much" damage as a Monk?
Edited, Sat Sep 6 11:22:12 2003
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Uhh, weapons goto monks first.. #1, because monks cannot nuke, slow, use a pet, and heal (aside from BW + Mend). So, imho why argue about who it "needs" to goto, vs. who it DOES goto?
Overall, ratio 0.666 (LOL) Very nice weapon, mob isn't too bad, 3-4 groupable.. and about resists, make sure you're not testing it in ro, considering the mob SvF.. Good luck, and grats on whoever gets this beute.
Overall, ratio 0.666 (LOL) Very nice weapon, mob isn't too bad, 3-4 groupable.. and about resists, make sure you're not testing it in ro, considering the mob SvF.. Good luck, and grats on whoever gets this beute.
Eyyy.., - Fonzi
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my beast would still kick your monks ***
The point on BST vs. MNK here is not the total DPS you do, but the total DPS that comes from your weapon. I parse everything. A BST with gs4w (what you have now) will do about 30-40 dps from the weapon, about another 40-60 dps from the pet, and another 20-40 dps from spells. This is for an elemental-planes equiped BST. Total of about 140 dps at best.
A MNK with gs4w does about 100-120 dps from the weapon and about another 10-20 from special attacks. Total of about 140 dps at best.
This isn't to argue about total dps -- different parses by different people will show different totals. I'm showing my totals to provide a basis for comparing bst/mnk dps and eliminate the person parsing as a variable rather than to argue with your totals. What it does show, though, is that at best, a BST gets about 1/3 of his dps from the weapon. A MNK gets about 90% of his dps from the weapon.
So, upgrading a BST's weapon over upgrading a MNK's weapon upgrades your guild's dps by 1/3 the dps you could have upgraded it if you gave it to a MNK. In general, this is why MNKs are often given first shot at any weapon they want over a BST, whether that's 1H or 2H. Weapons do more for MNKs than they do for BSTs and thus do more for the raid in the hands of a MNK than a BST. Whether this is a fair method to use for item awards or not is a topic I want to comment on -- but there's no denying that weapon utility is maxized in the hands of a monk.
Edited, Fri Sep 26 17:52:24 2003
A MNK with gs4w does about 100-120 dps from the weapon and about another 10-20 from special attacks. Total of about 140 dps at best.
This isn't to argue about total dps -- different parses by different people will show different totals. I'm showing my totals to provide a basis for comparing bst/mnk dps and eliminate the person parsing as a variable rather than to argue with your totals. What it does show, though, is that at best, a BST gets about 1/3 of his dps from the weapon. A MNK gets about 90% of his dps from the weapon.
So, upgrading a BST's weapon over upgrading a MNK's weapon upgrades your guild's dps by 1/3 the dps you could have upgraded it if you gave it to a MNK. In general, this is why MNKs are often given first shot at any weapon they want over a BST, whether that's 1H or 2H. Weapons do more for MNKs than they do for BSTs and thus do more for the raid in the hands of a MNK than a BST. Whether this is a fair method to use for item awards or not is a topic I want to comment on -- but there's no denying that weapon utility is maxized in the hands of a monk.
Edited, Fri Sep 26 17:52:24 2003
well first off your "parses" are WAY off.
With the Greatstaff i do on average anywhere from 70-110DPS with just my melee ONLY no spells no pet no nothing so 30-40 is not even close.
I get roughly about 1/2(+) my DPS from weapon.(and times that i cant use pet then over 3/4 DPS from weapon and times Mob is very highly Cold resistant 100% of my DPS comes from weapon etc)
Pet is pretty steady 50-60+, spells anywhere from 0-50 so ill do anywhere from as little as 70 up to 210+DPS depending on Mob.
The ONLY advantage the Monk has is on average he has much less variation, i may do 70-210 he would do 140-180.
Course when im only doing 70 or so is when im burning mana Slowing/Debuffing Mob and Buffing/Healing casting Ferocity & Savagery on whomever needs etc, thats where the WIS & Mana come in on weapon.
But leaving all that aside, your right the Monk will get slightly more from a weapon upgrade than a Beast, personally that dont mean **** to me.
I have every bit as much right to get and to use that weapon as a Monk does period.
I have every right to a weapon upgrade also just as much as any Monk, and should be equally considered.
and unless either beast or Monk is flailing away with a couple of splintered clubs they got off a dead Orc pawn then your not going to be technically "upgrading your guilds DPS" by more than a whooping grand total of just a few DPS no matter whom you give it to, so thats moot.
Lets just say for instance myself and a Monk each are using a Greatstaff and this drops.
No matter whom gets it your only talking probably 5-15DPS (Bst)maybe 10-20DPS (Mnk) tops in difference between the 2 weapons for either Monk or Beast. 41/31 to 42/28 plus a better proc.
So Monk might do just a few DPS more BUT
At least as a Beast i can use ALL the stats and +15Wis and 140Mana wont go to waste which easily makes up for the few DPS the Monk might squeeze out of the weapon, so really its basically a wash, we both do approx the same DPS with the weapon regardless, and both should be equally considered.
Especially if your talking about a "elemental equiped" Beast or Monk because at that point the difference between the Monks 252 2HB skill and the Beast 225 2HB skill makes no difference at all because as a general rule the Beast will almost without exception have a much higher ATK rating anyway, fully raid buffed im pushing over 2100Atk regularly, even with 2HB
I've never seen a Monk with an Atk over 1700 raid buffed
Edited, Tue Sep 30 08:25:59 2003
With the Greatstaff i do on average anywhere from 70-110DPS with just my melee ONLY no spells no pet no nothing so 30-40 is not even close.
I get roughly about 1/2(+) my DPS from weapon.(and times that i cant use pet then over 3/4 DPS from weapon and times Mob is very highly Cold resistant 100% of my DPS comes from weapon etc)
Pet is pretty steady 50-60+, spells anywhere from 0-50 so ill do anywhere from as little as 70 up to 210+DPS depending on Mob.
The ONLY advantage the Monk has is on average he has much less variation, i may do 70-210 he would do 140-180.
Course when im only doing 70 or so is when im burning mana Slowing/Debuffing Mob and Buffing/Healing casting Ferocity & Savagery on whomever needs etc, thats where the WIS & Mana come in on weapon.
But leaving all that aside, your right the Monk will get slightly more from a weapon upgrade than a Beast, personally that dont mean **** to me.
I have every bit as much right to get and to use that weapon as a Monk does period.
I have every right to a weapon upgrade also just as much as any Monk, and should be equally considered.
and unless either beast or Monk is flailing away with a couple of splintered clubs they got off a dead Orc pawn then your not going to be technically "upgrading your guilds DPS" by more than a whooping grand total of just a few DPS no matter whom you give it to, so thats moot.
Lets just say for instance myself and a Monk each are using a Greatstaff and this drops.
No matter whom gets it your only talking probably 5-15DPS (Bst)maybe 10-20DPS (Mnk) tops in difference between the 2 weapons for either Monk or Beast. 41/31 to 42/28 plus a better proc.
So Monk might do just a few DPS more BUT
At least as a Beast i can use ALL the stats and +15Wis and 140Mana wont go to waste which easily makes up for the few DPS the Monk might squeeze out of the weapon, so really its basically a wash, we both do approx the same DPS with the weapon regardless, and both should be equally considered.
Especially if your talking about a "elemental equiped" Beast or Monk because at that point the difference between the Monks 252 2HB skill and the Beast 225 2HB skill makes no difference at all because as a general rule the Beast will almost without exception have a much higher ATK rating anyway, fully raid buffed im pushing over 2100Atk regularly, even with 2HB
I've never seen a Monk with an Atk over 1700 raid buffed
Edited, Tue Sep 30 08:25:59 2003
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Nunya, its terrific how you have posted 3-4 times in this thread rephrasing the same thing you said in the first one. A monk will outdamage a beastord with this weapon, period. And the "I've net to meet a monk with over 1700 atk, is bs" I hit 1800 with just FA, and break 2k atk easy with ferocity + FA. This staff is best in a monks hands, period.
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