demmit, stop arguing about numbers. you make me hurt from laughing. Haste on this is faster than FBSS, SCHW. Its not as fast as SAS COF. So, you want more haste than FBSS... get one. As for stats group with a shammy, they roxx. And if you really need a laugh, zone into the bazaar and ask what the haste is on FBSS, then ask about SCHW. Then watch the /ooc show. It's damn funny.

Many people are arguing on the % of the haste bestowed by this item. The general consensus is 24%, but as this site lists at 28% they cling to that figure blindly. Probably just trying to boost the price up to naive buyers?

instead of useing a bard to test ir anyother melee why not give the itme to a caster, say a druid, can use 1hs 1hb 2hb ect, but no double attack and no duel weild. Just an idea.

I have one - its 24% haste vs 21% for FBSS and 22% for SCHW.

This info is non-debatable, comes straight from Magelo who is provided with information directly from Verant - kthksbye

Item Haste

General

Flowing Red Silk Sash is 6%

Lesser Guard of Haste is 6%

Sporali Gloves are 9%

Greater Guard of Haste is 11%

Swiftclaw Sash is 15%

Wyvern Hide Boots are 15%

Swirlspine Belt is 16%

Hangman's Noose is 17%

Flowing Black Silk Sash is 21%.

Thexian Loop is 21%

Silvery Belt of Contention is 21%

Silver Chitin Hand Wraps are 22%

Sash of the Dragonborn is 24%

Siblisian Berserker Cloak is 26%

Runebrand Girdle is 27%

Runed Bolster Belt is 31%

Cloak of Piety is 34%

Shroud of the Dar Brood is 34%

Spiked Seahorse Hide Belt is 34%

Cloak of Crystalline Waters is 36%

Cloak of Flames is 36%

Cowl of Mortality is 36%

Tolapumj's Robe 1 is 36%

Velium Swiftblade is 36%

Cloak of the Fire Storm is 40%

Windraider's Belt is 40%

Belt of the Destroyer is 41%

Claw of Lighting 2 is 41%

Feeliux's Cord of Velocity is 41%

Gauntlets of Dragon Slaying are 41%

Grey Suede Shoes are 41%

Shiny Trinket of Speed is 41%

Silver Bracelet of Speed is 41%

Girdle of Dark Power 3 is 41%

Serrated Dragon Tooth is 41%



Class Specific:

Monk, Belt of Tranquility is 21%

Monk, Rakusha Cloak is 36%

Monk, Brother Xave's Headband is 41%

Monk, Fist of Lighting is 41%

Monk, Golden Sash of Tranquility is 41%

Paladin, Belt of Virtue is 16%

Paladin, Girdle of Faith is 41%

Ranger, Belt of Pine is 16%

Ranger, Swiftwind is 40%

Rogue, Belt of Transience is 21%

Rogue, Ragebringer is 40%

Shadow Knight, Belt of Inquity is 16%

Shadow Knight, Pegasus-Hide Belt is 41%

Warrior, Belt of Contention is 21%

Warrior, Monsoon, Sword of the Swiftwind is 36%

Warrior, Belt of the Four Winds is 41%



Spell Haste

Clickable

Ashenwood Spear is 36% 4

Eyepatch of Plunder is 20%

Monk, Robe of the Whistling Fists is 15%

Monk, Celestial Fists are 40%

Ranger, Dark Cloak of the Sky is 41%



All values are those listed at, Magelo.

1 Pure casters only
2 WAR/RNG/ROG
3 SHD/BRD/ROG
4 10 charges

Credit goes to: Luthair of the Monkly Business

Edited, Tue May 14 14:28:00 2002

Actually bards just don't get 2h skill but there are many 2h weapons out there that are bard useable.

Bards work best for haste testing because they don't get double attack thats why everyone mentions them. Trying to identify double attacks is hard, my bard sometimes appears to get double attacks (slasher / piercer combo and I see two slashes RIGHT in a row) and it is not an accurate way to check. Beastlords also do not get double attack so they could be used to test as well. You don't have to put a shield in your offhand, simply use a different TYPE of weapon and then ignore the piercings or blunt attacks or whatever from the offhand when calculating. Also remember not to use bard songs that add haste when you test. Timing the "melee attack" key depressions is another form of testing that is not accurate, the best way is to use the above method with logging on then go back and parse the log for all the slashes (or pierces or whatever) over a given period of time.

Another common misconception is that haste is calculated by taking the number directly off the weapon delay and while haste makes your weapons swing faster this is not the case. An example is 100 percent haste, take 100 percent off a 20 delay weapon and you get delay 0...bad math. 100 percent haste would actually make your 20 delay weapon swing like a 10 delay weapon so the formula is probably more like (delay - (delay/2)*haste) although thats probably not right either and it's irrelivent because haste increases ALL melee attacks including but not limited to bash, kick, backstab, monk attacks. This is noticible because when you have no haste your taunt and kick will "cycle" together (or backstab and hide) but when you have haste the attack starts to cycle faster than the non-melee skill.

Also haste stacking works like this: ONE haste item which means something equippable that has an EFFECT:HASTE and ONE haste effect which would mean a "buff" or something that shows up in your buff box be it a melee proc (exe axe?), a rt click proc (ashenwood short spear), a song (versus of victory) or a spell (swift like the wind) period. If you manage to get two haste "buffs" to show up at once you will still only be getting the haste off of one although you will get stat benifits of the other buff. An example is bard song + chanter buff, the reason the bard song "stacks" with the chanter buff is because all bard songs add other stats as well like strength. The exception to this is battlcry/ervaj songs which stack with any haste.
And another haste issue now that I'm in haste rant mode, haste has caps because Verant can't do haste math. Before there were haste caps it was very simple to "max" your haste by just using any two haste adjustments (spell/song/item/proc/whatever) because veran't math for a 20 percent haste item is to make you attack at 1.2 times your rated speed, add 1.2 with another 1.2 and you get 2.4 which is a little more than 40 percent haste. This appears to have been fixed but haste stacking is something I doubt Verant has down so there are probably some ways to stack haste that come out higher than would be expected.

Ick long post and not really related to this specific item but I have said my peace whew!

FYI nice item, as are any haste items, regardless of what the other stats are, if you've got better cool if not then let someone else use this.

i have both. i use dragon sash more because it seems to be faster. if you dont have either, i would reccomend the hadwraps. the added ac and stats. more than make up for the possible speed increase of the sash. save the cash. handwraps have also been updated with better stats.

go with the wraps. as they will help you more than extra haste.

Just to let you know the only real way to test the haste is by using a bard, and giving them a 2h weapon as u know bards cannot double attack, double attack is completely a random generation that can change the results of the test use a 50 bard and u will find haste is 27% on DB sash.

I was just wondering why a sash of dragonborn is 20k and a fbss is only 7k on rodcet, is the haste on it that much better, i hope it isnt just cause of 2 ac and a couple % more haste?

Is there a level requirement for the haste to start working with this item?

Haste % of swirlpine belt has been upgraded to as fast as fbss (from everquest offical web) due to its difficulty and raity, so the list below need to make some changes also =)

I heard around the grapevine that this item is much faster than an FBSS and that during one of the last patches they covertly upgraded the haste on this item. Can anyone confirm?

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