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Lesser Guard of Haste  
 

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Slot: SHOULDERS
AC: 7
STR: +3 DEX: +3 AGI: +3
Haste: +6%
WT: 3.2 Size: MEDIUM
Class: ALL except NEC WIZ MAG ENC
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)

Item Lore:Less Guard of Haste
Item Type:Armor
Stackable:No
Merchant Value:20 pp 0 gp 0 sp 0 cp
Tribute:1486
Lucy Entry By:Smari
Item Updated By:SwiftyMUSE
Source:Live
IC Last Updated:2021-12-14 03:50:51
Page Updated:Thu Oct 9th, 2008

Expansion: Shadows of Luclin Shadows of Luclin


Average Price: 1,750pp Pricing Data...
Rarity: Common
Level to Attain: 35

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Twilight Sea
NPC Name
Aero



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Zone Name
Twilight Sea

Item Lore: Less Guard of Haste
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Uploaded November 27th, 2008
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fbss
# Jul 27 2003 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
will there be a noticable difference between fbss and this?
RE: fbss
# Aug 21 2003 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
I saw a "noticable" difference in my dps, although you don't truly notice it right away. It does seem to go about 1.5x as fast in swinging, but the quicker the weapon the more you will notice. With the Two-Tined Corpse Pitchfork I was flying away with SCHW's as compared to the Lesser Guard. With a Disease Imbued Greatstaff the difference wasn't all too noticable, even though it was faster, the delay on the weapon itself had a lot to do with it.
#REDACTED, Posted: Jul 24 2003 at 12:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) dunno but id rather trust Verant and EQ on saying what a level haste is. for 1 i got arms and boots. boots are better on my pally. and yes i get a 21% haste on arms and same on boots. Magelo is a prog that is not compatable with EQ mostly because verant does not sponcer 3rd party prog and wont give time of day. 6% is off by alot. even a noob can see the diffrence.
RE: test
# Aug 19 2003 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good
"Haste" depends on the Item. It's fixed. "spell haste" is level dependant. That's why it says from L1 to L50 is different. It's describing spell haste.
confirms nothing
# Jun 02 2003 at 3:00 PM Rating: Default
after many hours of trying many different haste items on many different levels of TOONs the only thing thats confirmed is that the HASTE of any given item is the same on EVERY toon you play
Woo Hoo
# Apr 12 2003 at 3:52 AM Rating: Decent
Today must have been my lucky day.. Trader did well on Sullon Zek and then I was able to get a wurmy from a high level for cheap 800 pp plus my secondary weapon. Later in the day, trader did even better (velium is my friend) and I got the lesser guard of haste for only 350 pp, yeps. someone wanted to unload it. Is it twinking? Hey on PvP server alls' fair. : )
Haste %
# Mar 26 2003 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
6
bugger the little bugger
# Feb 05 2003 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
54 necro, I was munching through the island quite happily for hours...got bored killed the odd chappy in the castle there, went back to munching on elementals for a further 3 hours. Camped next day munch munch munch...4 hours later....never saw the little bugger once. Went home picked my teeth with the pets bony finger and thought bugger it. To the extent of the mobs killed the second camp I recorded it...air 290 earth 343 fire 300 water 212. Probably just takes more patience than Ive got. Wouldnt like to do it if these conned to me at all to be honest.
#REDACTED, Posted: Feb 05 2003 at 3:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yes, confirmed.. this like all other "haste" items ARE... again ARE dependant of the level of the wearer@ again Sony/EQ handbook Rule! so all you 6% 11% 21% 22% whatever people out there, i say Level up@ and you will see your haste Increase!. dont argue. For once EQ makes sence.. Level increase = power increase@! yeah EQ!
RE: Confirmed
# May 10 2003 at 1:28 PM Rating: Default
your a moron the level is the level of the spell not the caster in general the level of the spell is around the level you can aquire but not always i am not thinking many of these people know how to calculate haste but if it was purely dependent on level then no one would spend 65k+ for cloak of flames when there are things with better stats and haste thats far cheaper

the things with better stats and haste also have way lower haste %
RE: Confirmed
# Jun 24 2003 at 7:46 PM Rating: Default
Actually, you're a moron for not noticing that he is not referring to CASTING haste, but rather WEARING haste. They are referring to wearable items with haste which is dependent on the level (i.e. an FBSS has 21% haste, it will not have full haste til you're at level 21). Call me a moron and flame me, but at least I'm right. Eediot.
#REDACTED, Posted: Feb 05 2003 at 3:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I know its hard to understand haste, and i know that magelo is VERY often wrong, and has been proven. this haste IS dependant on level! please read you EQ handbooks, this issue was covered a loonng time ago.. ! This is a Sweeeet item indeed If you are so lucky to own one you will see. It, like ANY "hasted" item is always a bonus! And dont give me that Oh well. um my buddy's Bard.. ummm...crap... Bard haste like all their songs are based on LEVEL %/dmg etc.so that as they level it adjusts. this Item( acording to Sony/EQ) and its haste, by the very deffenition, adjust for the level of the user (max L49) For the love of brell ppl read your EQ handbooks ! Jeeeesh!
more garbage
# Jan 19 2003 at 8:03 PM Rating: Default
Pongu i think it was oh so nice of you to flame some one who is as sick of it as I. I come here reading more rumor then fact. I still can't believe how ppl don't know the haste on a FBSS and SCHW's... let me say this once again, hate worn items have a set haste precent... if they didn't then a CoF would be worth as much as a FBSS, and a SBC would be worth less then Saph gloves, or a CoM wouldn't see the days of 90k.... get real dude, item haste no matter what it may be is always gonna be a set haste % , and the little 6% haste these provide just isn't worth 3k to me, it doesn't stack with your noob haste items either, yes it does stack with bard haste and chanter haste, hell between them u actually have closer to 75% haste.... this item sucks too, just as the chormatic boots do, this item to me is worth as much as crusty, give it to the young ones, or put it on an alt. not even worth selling.....

Edited, Sun Jan 19 19:37:36 2003
#REDACTED, Posted: Dec 11 2002 at 7:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Haste(worn) is not level dependent, only Spell/Song Haste is level dependent.
RE: Haste (worn)
# Jan 24 2003 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
Quote:
Haste(worn) does not decrease your delay or speed up your attacks like Spell/Song Haste does. It mearly in code, increases your average damage dished over time.


Statements like this really do leave me scratching my head. Think about it a bit... how the hell is your "average damage over time" increased if not by making you swing faster??

You can only increase your "average damage over time" by either upping your damage done per hit, or increasing the speed you attack at. There is no other way.

As Haste obviously does NOT make you hit harder, the only logical answer left is that it makes you hit FASTER (lowered attack delay).

If have any other way to explain it, without using an ambiguous phrase like "It mearly in code, increases your average damage dished over time.", I'd love to hear it.

Edited, Fri Jan 24 12:58:13 2003
RE: Haste (worn)
# Jan 15 2003 at 9:44 AM Rating: Default
You talk about doing homework before opening your yap? You know so little and proclaim so much.

Varant/SoE has gone to great effort to lable every effect on every item precisely.

I.E.: Reagent conservation I, Reagene conservation II, Reagent conservation III, Mana preservation I, Mana preservation II, Mana preservation III, Affliction haste I, Affliction haste II, Affliction haste III. Each of these as the name determines has a different effect.

If you read your updates as they were posted, instead of just jumping in to game in such a hurry to support your EQ economy with your illiteracy and ignorance, you would know that haste(no denominator) is haste.

It is level dependant just like the song/spell version. If it were different why would SoE/Varant not lable it Haste I, Haste II, Haste III?

Does it not seem strange that Varant/SoE lable every other effect that has dissimilar attributes and completely ignore this one?

Oh, here comes the flames about parse logs, and that sham site that states stats on "Dragon Haste" and Noob Loot Haste items.

I say Bah.
Nuff said

Guess it was not enough said.
Before you "FLAME" this post.
Don't bother, my opinion will stay the same until I read an official posting from Varant/SoE on the EQLive website.
You see, I use noob haste, and have SCHW'S on other toons, but the toons with the noob haste items are the ones that get the comments about how do you hit so fast so often.

Think about it?

Edited, Wed Jan 15 09:21:29 2003
RE: Haste (worn)
# May 08 2003 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
Won't you do the same. this is an item effect that is pre-whatever I, II, II, IV. This haste starts at a certain level like a DD type proc. Since FBSS isn't NO DROP so you could give to a level 19 and let them ding 20 and you would see a difference, but you can keep till 49 and it would still be the same as 20. Once a procable item starts procing it stays the same to the best of my knowledge.
Don't forget
# Sep 09 2002 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't forget people that when you are doing tests, your char level will cap out the % of haste possible.

You can put as much haste as you want on a level 1 char, but it won't do much at all. If you are testing haste at all, it would be best to do it with a level 60 char, that is the only way you can really determine what the MAX HASTE of an item is.
Haste test
# Sep 08 2002 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
I did a test on this myself. Lemme explain my method of testing. Rather than trying to count wings which is difficult with double attacks ripostes lag and so many other variables I used this method. I counted the number of times my attack button went down. This constitutes 1 round of attack. I tested this on my cpu with a cable modem in multiple zones using the same 2hs weapon (Dark Edged Two Hander). No matter what my lag-O-meter read or what zone I was in, the number of times the attack button went down in a 2 minute time period NEVER changed, so this being said I feel it's a fairly safe measurement of counting attack rounds.

I then put on the guard and counted attacks again for 2 minutes, and again I came up with the exact same numbers. I then switched to a lammy and repeated the same tests multiple times, Each time I came up with the exact same numbers (higher than with the 2hs) for two minutes of attacking with and without haste. With both weapons I got a 15% haste. This is the haste I'll believe it is until Verant posts otherwise on their website which ain't likely to happen. 15% isn't too shabby. I'd like to get my hands on some other haste items in the future to test their numbers against the numbers I got from the guard.
RE: Haste test
# May 10 2003 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
idiot most people parse the attack log and calculate it accurately not by counting number of hits in 2 minutes
RE: Haste test
# Sep 08 2002 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
Oops, the way I worded that semed like it might be rather confusing, the numbers weren't exactly the same with each test obviously since I came out with 15% haste. But each time with the same weapon and w/o the guard the numbers never varied. The numbers with guard obviously were higher then those without, but while testing with the guard the numbers never varied from each other either. Also I did this test with a 51 Ranger.
RE: Haste test
# Sep 09 2002 at 5:12 AM Rating: Default
Its close to 6 percent. I tested it with a bard (no double attack) using the Workers Sludgemallet. (2HB) tested 1 minute, 2 minute, and 5 minute interval. All came up 6 percent.
Woops
# Aug 16 2002 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
My husband's 34th level monk got this item from Aero last night. Unsure what the haste is due to him having SCHWs and not wanting to try this out due to the weight. He put it up for sale in Bazaar for 1k and was sold within 15 minutes. Ironically, the person who bought it was selling it for 2700p 5 minutes later.

He's twinked out with a Fungus tunic and said that the fight was relatively difficult. He probably would not have survived without the SCHWs and Fungus Tunic. Aero was a dark blue Con to him and ended up with about 5% health after the fight.
Haste
# Aug 09 2002 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
I hear this argument all the time as well.
The point of the newer high-level bard songs was so that they could stack with shaman/enchanter haste spells as well as being able to exceed the cap by those small percentages previously mentioned.

The system is generally designed for one item/song/spell to be able to stack. There are many exceptions to this of course. A bard snare/slow song will be overwritten by a higher lvl shaman slow spell, but then can be stacked back on top of that spell. The snare portion will stick in that case but the slow effect of the song is overwritten.

As it is now, I really have never gotten definative answers on a lot of these but experimentation is the best way to figure it out.
After 52 lvls, and 2 AA lvls with my bard it's just a matter of fitting what you have with the people in your group.
Random Info
# Jul 15 2002 at 8:04 PM Rating: Default
Just a couple scattered thoughts.
First a bit of boasting. As a level 39 iksar monk I 'camped' elementals solo for about a day total (spread out over several mornings and evenings). I saw Aero on two separate occasions during this time. First time I was wounded and unable to engage him. He Invised and I never saw again that day. Next time I saw him I was again wounded and unable to engage. I sent up a shout for assistance but by the time one of the only 3 other peeps in the zone responded, Aero had gone Invis again and didn't show up on the fellows' Track. I don't think he de-spawned because he showed up again less than an hour later. This time I engaged him and he kicked my sorry behind.
I FD'ed and fortunately he bought it and wandered off to Invis again. Less than another hour later he appeared again! Once more I was able to engage him and THIS time I managed to beat him into, and beyond, submission. I relate this tale partly to address the rarity of his spawns. I saw him a total of 4 times in a relatively short period, 3 of those within a VERY short period. I suspect he was not, in fact, de-spawning but merely Invis. (Not being a Tracker I don't know if invised MoBs can be tracked.) And yes, I include this tale here because he did drop this very nice item for me.
Second point. I recently came into a Runebranded Girdle (eternal thanks to Wedar Combatcraver of Torvo!!!) and was able to compare haste effects. RBG simply blows this thing out of the water, hands down! I'd say the generally accepted rates of around 6% for the Lesser Guard and about 27% for the RBG are pretty close to accurate. I didn't do any formal parsing but it seemed the Guard sped me up a bit...maybe, hard to tell. But when I put on the Girdle my blows are nearly non-stop, an easily seen improvement.
Ok, enough spew, I'm sure you're all sick of me by now.

Rifraf Nomore
41 Monk
Torvonnilous
#REDACTED, Posted: May 29 2002 at 4:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 33% haste, 5% haste 117% haste, I don't give a copper, you all hate it so much give it to me dang it! I won't test the haste for you, I won't compare it to other items, I will come to your house and kick your **** and take it from you....all you stinkin uber people complaining that these kick **** items just suck...well mabye it's not worth the effort it takes to get one...bleh bleh bleh...if it's not worth it to you then don't go get one...more for me (uh..but do stay long enough to get me one ok? thanks, appreciate it)
#REDACTED, Posted: May 23 2002 at 11:50 AM, Rating: Unrated, (Expand Post) I dunno wtf is the matter with most of you people get a 60 cleric to use a 2hb to parse these they get all the haste and they dont have double attack I dont know why some people are stupid and some fool on veeshan was tryin to sell this for 35K
Good but rare or gone
# May 08 2002 at 2:03 AM Rating: Decent
On the Terris-Thule server, a Paladin Guildie and several other members assisted with killing every elemental on the island for about 2 weeks straight, with only 3 Aero spawns. The little #@$%^& didn't drop the shoulders. It only dropped some boots with a haste effect
Good Haste
# May 06 2002 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
On Magelo it is sayed that the haste is only 6% but when i use it with my defiance 9 19...i was
hitting fast and with this item i hit largely faster !

well perhraps 6% is good because i never seen the
effect of a 22% it must be awesome !
Accurate Testing???
# Apr 28 2002 at 10:49 PM Rating: Default
It ever occur to you all that timing the swings to calculate the haste on an item is an incredibly inaccurate test? Ever hear of a little thing called *lag*???
RE: Accurate Testing???
# May 01 2002 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
I had one of these for a bit and had heard from a friend that it had pretty decent haste, maybe a bit faster than the FBSS. Tried to sell the thing in EC and heard a range of numbers for the acutal haste on it, so I decided to do a test myself...

I used my beastlord, which doesn't have double attack, stuck a shield in the off hand and used a centi warhammer for testing in primary. I found myself a soulbinder, turned off extraneous channels, turned log on and hit auto-attack. I kept attacking until my stamina just dropped below 2 bubs, which was about four minutes. I did three tests - one without any haste, one with my grimling skullcracker belt, and one with the lesser guard. From the log I took the time of the last attack minus the time of the first attack and then divided that number by the total number of attacks, which equals the effective delay / 10.

Anyway I found that the delay on the centi hammer without haste was just about 32, which is the correct number. The grim belt showed about 11% haste (supposedly the correct number). Sadly the lesser guard only showed just about 6%...
I'm going to make this easy for all of you...
# Apr 13 2002 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
The Lesser Guard of Haste actual Haste is 22%...the same as Silver Chitin Hand Wraps...a friend tested the haste on them vs. his handwraps because he was curious and they came out to be exactly the same...

Zuma Denzaga
Ayonae Ro
51 Champion
RE: I'm going to make this easy for all of you...
# Apr 15 2002 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
I would have to agree with you. I just got my Lesser Guard after visiting the island after a server crash :) I switched out my Silver Chitin Hand Wraps with the Lesser Guard and could not tell any difference with any of my weapons. I noticed a huge difference however when neither was equipped. If these 2 items have different haste percentages it is too close to tell without accurate parsing.

6% Haste on this is 100% BS
6% or 30% ??
# Apr 08 2002 at 9:34 AM Rating: Default
well i think it suck ok i can't Swing Well LOL i think FBSS have more haste but i am not sure but when i get Enchanter haste i can taunt mob off a lvl 60 warrior LOL well i dunno wut i am saying bye ;P



lvl 52 Halfelf warrior
from BB server
WOOT I got my belt of great turtle *_*
RE: 6% or 30% ??
# Sep 09 2002 at 5:27 AM Rating: Decent
Actually it is possible for a lower lvl warrior to out taunt a higher level warrior if the lower lvl warrior has better gear. It is also possible for the lower lvl warrior to maintain agro to out taunt a higher lvl warrior even if the higher lvl warrior is taunting. This being said, you were either grouped with some real crap 60 warriors OR you're an UBER Twink, which is highly unlikely, since you're wearing a lesser guard of haste for your haste item.

This being said...remember one thing though...this out taunting really has nothing to do with your actual taunt skill and more to do with your gear.

Edited, Mon Sep 9 06:16:13 2002
RE: 6% or 30% ??
# Apr 19 2002 at 9:12 PM Rating: Default
Full of it buddy. There is NO WAY a lvl 52 Warrior can overtaunt a 60 warrior. You cant taunt a Yellow or Red Con mob effectively anyway.

I suppose you are posting this crap so people will think you are UBER. hehe.. just the opposite, We see you are UBER Goofy.

Level up and then have bragging rights. :P
RE: 6% or 30% ??
# Apr 30 2002 at 9:54 PM Rating: Default
ya itd take a rogue, monk, chanter, wizard, cleric to out taunt a 60 warrior (and yes a 52 warrior could out taunt a 60 if 60 is using a slow 2h while the 52 is using fast-proc weapons)
RE: 6% or 30% ??
# May 20 2002 at 2:03 AM Rating: Default
Hmmm... well from my experience in the game, which is very in depth. I have found that a 60 warrior doesn't use anything "slow". Also, a Warrior cannot "EFFECTIVELY" taunt a yellow or red con. They may get aggro occasionally, but they won't hold it very long at all.

http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=223808
#REDACTED, Posted: Apr 06 2002 at 5:29 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, most you noobs here have to look at two things. First the lvl mob it drops off and second how rare the mob is. Never been to twilight but sounds like this isn't THAT rare and the mob is lvl 30ish so basically anyone could kill it who has played EQ a few months. Sooooo, i HIGHLY doubt a 30% haste item drops off this when 27%-36% haste items drop off lvl 54 dragons that spawn once a week. You newbies gotta pull your heads outta your *** and stop trying to convince yourself and other people this is 30% haste. It's not! And those who saying haste goes up by level i have never heard a bigger load of ****. I hate to tell all you people argueing over haste, but between 21% on a FBSS and the 6% on these it is near impossible for you to REALLY notice a difference. I have tried and it doesn't work well, to inconsistent with all the double and duel hits and such. Maybe it SEEMS like 30% haste cuase you reposted a hit back and wanted to believe it is 30% so much you did, and wetted your pink panties. Plus, you have to realize that on a 30 delay weapon this would make it 28 delay and a FBSS would make is 25dly. How many people out there can count and use time spans less then 1 second, becuase that is exactly how much delay this takes off weapon. Haste is nice and all but it's overated i think, unless you have like 40% haste or have a huge delay weapon haste doesn't help a ton. Other then that it's a nice pair of shoulders if you have no other haste, if you do have ANY other haste you prolly can get some better shoulders...
RE: Testing and other BS
# Apr 07 2002 at 1:42 AM Rating: Excellent
Click on the hotlink on the item for "Haste" and look at the spell... it seems that the spell is lvl based, so it seems possible that the item is (although my testing did not reveal this) Also if you look at other items that have posted in the last few days (on the new items off the home page of this site, follow the hyper link to "windspeeder" that posted on 5 Apr 02) where it says "lvl reccomended" on the item...this clearly means lvl based...some Luclin swords and other items have increases in BASE damage/AAC based on the lvl of the user. This item does not have a reccomended level, so I personally do not believe it to be the case, but to say "you newby's out there are stupid to believe that there is a scaled haste effect" is an ignorant comment. While it may not be true on this item, it IS true on many Lulin items..."We aren't on Norathe anymore...the rules have changed!" SOE/VI maaade it very clear in THEIR statements that many items in Luclin will not behave like their pre-Luclin counterparts...look at all the items that do extra damage against particular mobs or that add skill bonuses. While this was not impossible pre-Luclin, it was rare, but on med-high lvl Luclin drops, it is COMMON. Don't insult what you don't understand grasshopper. Oh, and by the way, it IS a rare drop...the work required to get aero to pop is immense unless you are lucky. He has hundreds of PHs and they can cause many different kind of rare/named elementals to spawn.

Edited, Sun Apr 7 01:45:42 2002
Still confused
# Apr 05 2002 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
I have one of these...Cant believe the controversy...I parsed it by attacking a souldbinder and actually got a negative haste on it...but I am a ranger, and when I successfully double attack, it changes the timing, so there is NO way for me to actually parse it myself...I tried again, and only counted first hits, and I got a 1% haste (at lvl 51) but I still have double attacks, and although I didnt count the second attack, the delay timer is reset till the end of my second attack, so the parse is inaccurate. I used a SLOW weapon because I didnt want to have to count many attacks.

Anyway, I am on erolisi Marr, and if anyone is willing to pay the 10k that I have seen listed here, It is yours..in fact I will sell for 8k cash. If the haste is scaled to 30%, you will get a GREAT BUY...if it is only 6%, I got a great sell. If interested email me at fastair@aol.com.

Anyone who can get magello to post a scaled haste would be able to drive the price through the roof...I wish I could parse it correctly to find out, but alas...even if i created a mule, he would be too low a lvl to get a high haste out of it.


Edited, Fri Apr 5 00:25:46 2002
#REDACTED, Posted: Mar 30 2002 at 2:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) first of all, I would like to personally thank all the morons who claim that the lesser guard of haste is 6% haste. Because of your ideot posts, someone on the luclin server sold me some of these for 2k, actually believing that they were only 6%. On a side note, comparing these with an FBSS while using them with an Arbitors Combine Greatsword, the haste percentage is most obviously more on the lesser guards than with the FBSS. Thanks all, you have made it possible for me to rip off yet another person :)
RE: 6& haste ROFL
# Apr 04 2002 at 2:54 PM Rating: Default
I agree! Got mine for 3800. Not as good as your deal...but traded em for a frostbringer, so not too shabby hehe. 6% haste is BS. Stop doing tests with 1h weps...2h weps give you a more accurate result being that the dly is so high. Using a Icereaver 40dly during the span of 2 minute fight I calculate I would attack roughly every 3 seconds. Therefore, Haste is 25% approx. Try it yourself. You will be pleased with the results. 6% haste is a ploy to get lower pricing on these. Don't fall for it!
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