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Long Sword of Ethereal Energy
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If it were too easy, why didn't they just make the quest harder to do?
Build a man a fire and he's warm for an evening. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Darkreaper Tineldar Pumpkinhead of the Truthbringer <Callidus>
Darkreaper Tineldar Pumpkinhead of the Truthbringer <Callidus>
15 posts
is there still any possible way to get a LSOEE? (Long Sword of Etheral Energy)
THE ONE WHO KILLS ALL
8 posts
Only by buying it from someone who already has one. There is no way to get a new one.
43 posts
I have a lvl 30 Ranger as my main and still dont understand exactly what ration is. Can someone plz tell me??
6 posts
ration is a food item ..
or do u mean ratio ?
or do u mean ratio ?
#Robberbaron,
Posted: Jan 23 2004 at 1:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ration is a food item ..
#Murathek,
Posted: Apr 04 2004 at 5:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) would you people stop double-posting like this, it's annoying and it is THE SAME POST so there is NO reason to do this, so jsut stop it.
8 posts
16 / 29 - 5 magic dmg - 15ac - 12dex. Let's step back a minute and look at what this blade offers. Excellent offhand weapon for those needing dex, especially hybrid classes - Mod to Div. Yet the only drawback is the -5 to str / sta. But if your a Ranger in need of Dex or any class in need of dex with 5k to spare for a nice offhand weapon... I'd recommend this anyday. A deadly duo would be a Blackened Acrylia Blade / Lsoee, - I know from exp -
"It can't rain all the time... unless its the Karanas..."
|-Tegeran Khalid-|
|-Tegeran Khalid-|
#Raxxus,
Posted: Jun 24 2003 at 9:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So far the best beserking combo i know of is LSoEE in primary, and Defenders Lightblade in offhand, you cripple for 200 a LOT, and im level 51 warrior. try this, its great!
LOL that magelo link is so bogus! haha
skul
skul
Skulreaver Swiftblade
60 Warder
60 Warder
16/29 is the ratio, 5% magic damage not included. Yeah, we all know that with every swing
there is a SVMagic check against the mob attacked. So every swing, damage is 16 thru 21.
I must say that with my personal usage of this blade, it is almost constantly 21 damage. I have taken my 2hs skill-up blade; the silver swiftwind which is 16/24 and watched the damage output and compared that with the LSoEE. My max hits are around 84 to 90 with the 16damage 2hs. Now keep in mind there is even a higher damage bonus on the 2hander then the LSoEE. But with the LSoEE I dish out max 131 damage quite regularly. Most average 85 to 100.
So, to sum this up- the LSoEE gives me a way closer ratio to 21 damage then 16. Making this weapon, well, a 21/29. With epic haste from Swiftwind (40%) and group haste in PoP...my screen is constantly yellow with high~yeilding damage, and I am very happy to have this blade and consider it very underrated, so I have posted this compliment to it.
Good Hunting,
Skul
there is a SVMagic check against the mob attacked. So every swing, damage is 16 thru 21.
I must say that with my personal usage of this blade, it is almost constantly 21 damage. I have taken my 2hs skill-up blade; the silver swiftwind which is 16/24 and watched the damage output and compared that with the LSoEE. My max hits are around 84 to 90 with the 16damage 2hs. Now keep in mind there is even a higher damage bonus on the 2hander then the LSoEE. But with the LSoEE I dish out max 131 damage quite regularly. Most average 85 to 100.
So, to sum this up- the LSoEE gives me a way closer ratio to 21 damage then 16. Making this weapon, well, a 21/29. With epic haste from Swiftwind (40%) and group haste in PoP...my screen is constantly yellow with high~yeilding damage, and I am very happy to have this blade and consider it very underrated, so I have posted this compliment to it.
Good Hunting,
Skul
Skulreaver Swiftblade
60 Warder
60 Warder
#zatrantiz,
Posted: Jun 01 2003 at 6:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ok it says it dosnt drop anymore but it never droped before. its a quested item. someone should try and see if they can still get it
Leave it to Sony to finally create a reward worthy of the quest involved in getting it, only to nerf it almost immediately.
/em shakes his head and throws up his hands in disgust
/em shakes his head and throws up his hands in disgust
If you were me and I were you, would we still be friends?
#Yevun,
Posted: Apr 25 2003 at 12:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) a sword worthy of the quest involved to get it... pls say that was a joke, the quest was TOO EASY thats why it was nerfed. ppl could do the quest under 4 hours sell the sword for 5-6k go back do it again, there would of been a flood of uber weapons, my only complaint is them making it no longer drop they could of thrown it on a dragon in NToV or something...
6 posts
I was under the impression that they had nerfed this quest and you could no longer get the LSOEE but now got the Scimitar of Etheral Energy. Anyone know? If so would love to get my hands on it again.
Thanks in Advance,
Evangelon Venganceknight
52nd Cavalier of Tunare
Tribunal Server
Thanks in Advance,
Evangelon Venganceknight
52nd Cavalier of Tunare
Tribunal Server
Scholar
45 posts
That is correct. The quest is exactly the same, but instead of the LSoEE you get the SoEE.
3 posts
...but could someone give me Pros/Cons/Comparison for this vs. Wurmslayer? I'm interested in purchasing one (possibly). I already own a Wurmy, and enjoy it quite a bit, but would like to know if it would benefiet a 35 warrior to add this to my collection. Thanks :)
Warmoth
35 Warrior
Pobb
12 Necromancer
Stormhammer server
Warmoth
35 Warrior
Pobb
12 Necromancer
Stormhammer server
Do a quest! Better yet do the wurmslayer quest
Depending what your role as a warrior will be. As a maintank nor wurmy or this will be good, as assist maybe wurmy would be good enough. But I only see wurmy for one thing and thats when you want to dual vield in pvp. But then really you should get a 2hander. but as for this and wurmy get this. It has better ratio overall and isn't questable.
This blade is multi use-full and is a hard hitting mo-fo. Juggle the stats and the ac, it may benefit you. In any case 15ac and 12 dex with a harsh offhander aint bad. To each his own).
Skulreaver Swiftblade
60 Warder
60 Warder
Just bought this. I'm a 40th level ranger and am hitting in the average of 30's with a max so far of 70.
Graphic is nothing special. Long thin semi-transarent blade.
Paired up with my Lupine Dagger, these two dole out nice fast consistant damage.
Graphic is nothing special. Long thin semi-transarent blade.
Paired up with my Lupine Dagger, these two dole out nice fast consistant damage.
Breunwheeler Twinbeard
Dwarven Templar of Brell
Permafrost Server (EQ2)
Dwarven Templar of Brell
Permafrost Server (EQ2)
9 posts
No longer able to do this quest.
Edited, Mon Sep 30 01:52:00 2002
Edited, Mon Sep 30 01:52:00 2002
NO ! I can't Port yas I'm busy !
..mid 50's ranger. Got silvery haste belt with a Frostbringer and LSoEE combo. These two weaps give my ranger an extra 22 raw ac. Not bad. Haste belt helps with the not so fast delay (22) of FB.
All I can say is DPS is constant and brutal, and begins to border orgasmic when grouped with mad haste ..maxin about 122 damage atm with my offhand. not bad ;p. That is all.
Skul
~the is a fetish with dps~
All I can say is DPS is constant and brutal, and begins to border orgasmic when grouped with mad haste ..maxin about 122 damage atm with my offhand. not bad ;p. That is all.
Skul
~the is a fetish with dps~
Skulreaver Swiftblade
60 Warder
60 Warder
40 posts
if yall rangers out there with decent dex(160+) and want a real combo do dish out massive dmg..this weapon + a frekin steel hilted flint dagger is what you are looking for
i had the dagger proc 3 times in a row with 153dex and procs at least once in a battle in a fast grp
if youre in a slow grp with shaman ....with this combo ...you would MAKE the grp a fast killing grp
i had the dagger proc 3 times in a row with 153dex and procs at least once in a battle in a fast grp
if youre in a slow grp with shaman ....with this combo ...you would MAKE the grp a fast killing grp
12 posts
i use this with a frosty and no war or any class near my lvl can out taunt me this thing owns i can crit for 170 at lvl 51 )
#natocmdr,
Posted: Nov 13 2002 at 10:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) And big deal, I crit with my wurmy for 220s criplings in the 300s
3 posts
HAHA, you are comparing this sword with a wurmslayer... SWEET ONE.
27 posts
When a weapon has magic dmg like this one, does it add 5 dmg to what you hit for? or does it add more than 5...sorta depending on level ie: at level 1 with a 3 dmg weapon you do 9 or 10 dmg, at 60 with a 3 dmg weapon you hit for 21...
Scholar
24 posts
From my understanding this is how it works. When you try to hit an npc, it has to make a check against SVM. If the npc makes a successful check vs. magic, then the weapon hits as if it were 16/29 only. If the npc fails the save then it hits as a 21/29 weapon. Again, i'm not 100% but I believe this is how +magic damage works (as well as +fire, cold, disease, etc).
Yes, you're correct. The LSoEE is a 16/29 through 21/29 weapon depending on the resist check.
[65 Deceiver][link=www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=362635] Derrict [/link](Halfling) <[link=www.hossguild.org]Hoss[/link]>
ack, i forgot about how damage bonus is calculated. Any help is appreciated, since i know how much that has been discussed (i literally JUST forgot). Thanks everyone!
The damage bonus does not add onto the original weapon damage, it is a modifier for the amount of the damage done. Example: You are using a 5/21 with a damage bonus of 3. That does not turn the weapon into a 8/21, it makes it so you can never do below 3 damage with the bonus added on. At least thats what I hear, don't flame me if I'm wrong.
If a druid tanks in a forest, and nobody is around to see it, is he uber?
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Earthkeeper Brudish FrozenThorn
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Earthkeeper Brudish FrozenThorn
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2 posts
thats because btw i have no idea how i got bicaule
Arostodle pathfinder in his 54th year on povar.
The difference between bravery and stupidity is mearly a matter of success.
The difference between bravery and stupidity is mearly a matter of success.
2 posts
damage bonas in my exp. is not added to the end damage but rather added to the multiplier. ie. a 13/21 wep w/ a 9 damage bonas is a 22/21 wep. i know this bicaule i have a 13/21 wep w/ a 9 damage bonas and i hit for 1 sometimes meaning it cant be added to the end damage. i hope this helps.
Arostodle pathfinder in his 54th year on povar.
The difference between bravery and stupidity is mearly a matter of success.
The difference between bravery and stupidity is mearly a matter of success.
2 posts
Would a lvl 46 warrior be able to do this quest?
Anyone know the price of this sword on the drinal server?
7 posts
This + My CBoL on my bard = Ownage
Yep I use that setup too, its great. Even if the magic damage on this sword is resisted, its still an ok sword, 16 29 isn't bad.
Darkdirk Devertebrater 56 rogue
Inumbro 29 shaman
POVAR
Inumbro 29 shaman
POVAR
20 posts
How do you think a LSoEE in primary and a Sarnak Parrying Blade in offhand would work for a ranger?
I know they not are very fast but I dont wanna take aggro.
I know they not are very fast but I dont wanna take aggro.
How does this thing look when equiped?
Ishwar - level 93 Barbarian Rogue - GM smith - AB Server
Since I now have one I will reply to my own question.
Is is a medium length fairly thin blade with a golden hilt.
Is is a medium length fairly thin blade with a golden hilt.
Ishwar - level 93 Barbarian Rogue - GM smith - AB Server
the blade is transparent, much more noticeable in outdoor zones or zones with a light ground (Marus Seru, any Velious zone, etc). It's fairly small when I'm in halfling form but the sword looks much better when I'm in Iksar or Erudite form since it's larger.
edit: here's a link when I'm in Iksar form -
http://www.eatricezone.com/eq/15.jpg
I took my helmet off so it wouldn't block the blade. It's hard to see but the blade is slightly transparent. Not as cool looking as the Ranger epics but still not a dull looking sword.
Edited, Fri Aug 23 04:31:11 2002
edit: here's a link when I'm in Iksar form -
http://www.eatricezone.com/eq/15.jpg
I took my helmet off so it wouldn't block the blade. It's hard to see but the blade is slightly transparent. Not as cool looking as the Ranger epics but still not a dull looking sword.
Edited, Fri Aug 23 04:31:11 2002
[65 Deceiver][link=www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=362635] Derrict [/link](Halfling) <[link=www.hossguild.org]Hoss[/link]>
48 posts
LOL. Did you guys never see a Velious weapon before ? I'm a bit disappointed actually when I traded one for a Holgresh Bead Necklace :) .. that it looks exactly like a Crystallized Sword. But I'll live :)
Lillyann Foxglove, Defender of the Vale !
3 posts
Hey, i thought this thing could proc?
<45 druid>
<43 warrior>
<45 druid>
<43 warrior>
Scholar
33 posts
Anyone know what realistic selling price for this is on Cazic Thule. Any info appreciated.
19 posts
10-15 on CT
Dovan Longtooth
Barbarian Overlord
Obsidian Coven - Cazic Thule
Barbarian Overlord
Obsidian Coven - Cazic Thule
Anymore I've seen them for around 9k, atleast on Vazaelle. Seems that the people who could afford them have already bought them, and now it's open for the 'normal' player, using the term loosely of course.
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Vae Victus - Suffering to the Conquered!
Vae Victus - Suffering to the Conquered!
1 post
They took out the quest mob right when I got done collecting the items needed. I waited and waited, mob came back and I quickly turned in all my items so I can finally leave lucin and go back to skyfire. looked into bag to see scimitar. Someone wanted to sell me the long sword for 3kpp but I was too mad to buy it. I wanted sword but I should have gotten long sword by quest instead of scimitar. Now I see people WTB long sword for 10kpp... *sigh..* can't sell scimitar for even 700pp
17 posts
all i can say is i love this sword. i found out about this quest very early on. with a 45 ranger i was able to solo every mob and complete quest in about 3 to 6 hours, depending on maricella camp. Ebban wasnt easy, but once i learned his pathing i was able to arrow kite him all over the city and never get hit once. anyway i have to say i exploited this quest and was doign it 1 to 2 times a day till nerfed. i hooked all my friends up with it and sold and traded many of them. all and all i made well over 100k in cash from this quest till it was nerfed. i was upset when it finally was but i cant say i didnt make out like a bandit on this one. even though i dont even use this sword anymore i still keep one in the bank just for memorys sake hehe
15 ac for an offhander, 1.812 ratio with 16 damage is Awesome! Personally I can deal with the 5 str and stam loss, considering the 12 dex will help my Frostbringer in primary to proc.
The AC from the Frosty and the LSOEE combined give my ranger 22 more AC. That is insane. That is awesome. Coupled with a haste belt (silvery contention) I must say I am pleased with the damage output, the whole combo, AC included all in all for my ranger. The fact that the LSOEE no longer drops, inevitably means the price will hold steady ground, if not increase as well as antique value. Hehe 15ac offhand 16 dam 1.812 ratio. Two thumbs up.
Skulreaver Swiftblade
54 Pathfinder E'ci
Crimson Legacy
Dualwielder Extrordinaire
The AC from the Frosty and the LSOEE combined give my ranger 22 more AC. That is insane. That is awesome. Coupled with a haste belt (silvery contention) I must say I am pleased with the damage output, the whole combo, AC included all in all for my ranger. The fact that the LSOEE no longer drops, inevitably means the price will hold steady ground, if not increase as well as antique value. Hehe 15ac offhand 16 dam 1.812 ratio. Two thumbs up.
Skulreaver Swiftblade
54 Pathfinder E'ci
Crimson Legacy
Dualwielder Extrordinaire
Skulreaver Swiftblade
60 Warder
60 Warder
I am so glad to see the demand and price of this giong up! I will probably not sell it none too soon though as it is serving me so well.
Without getting into it <too tired>, I must say, great offhander.
Skulreaver Swiftblade
54 Pathfinder
Skulreaver Swiftblade
54 Pathfinder
Skulreaver Swiftblade
60 Warder
60 Warder
Not a bad weapon. Combined with Swiftwind secondary and LsoEE primary. I see Lvl 50+ wars running around with this and frostbringer. I was pretty impressed with this weapon that i got one for my 45 war with bloodfire primary. "even though bloodfire aint proc'n now"
Now with the war i get some nice eye candy crits, and more better crips! and no more 1 damage hits.
55 ranger
45 war.
btw got both lsoee's for 15k each... ouch, but worth it.
Now with the war i get some nice eye candy crits, and more better crips! and no more 1 damage hits.
55 ranger
45 war.
btw got both lsoee's for 15k each... ouch, but worth it.
u payed about 5-3k more on yers each then i would have to on my server. I have a friend who could sell me one fer about 9l.....i am saving up fer it atm. =)
2 posts
Yep there going for like 8-10k on Ayonae Ro right now, i think they may start to rise a bit though
20 posts
I love this thing, only problem is is that I get tells and harrassed from individuals looking to buy it. One thing if i was seling I would be auctioning. Now the fun part they offer me a bunch of stuff that I don't need for it.
I'm sorry I won't trade it. They then ask how much I would be willing to sell it. hmmm 300k they usually leave me alone after this but to me this is how much this weapon is worth. I don't care what the average pc on it is.
I'm sorry I won't trade it. They then ask how much I would be willing to sell it. hmmm 300k they usually leave me alone after this but to me this is how much this weapon is worth. I don't care what the average pc on it is.
6 posts
Whoa! Before the flames start again.....I entered the price once, the site/database decided to put in 14 entries for me. Might be what some of the problems referenced up above are.
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Gondor
55th Warrior - Rodcet Nife
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Gondor
55th Warrior - Rodcet Nife
6 posts
Something is telling me you need to oil your mouse button. ;)
6 posts
Whoa! Before the flames start again.....I entered the price once, the site/database decided to put in 14 entries for me. Might be what some of the problems referenced up above are.
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Gondor
55th Warrior - Rodcet Nife
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Gondor
55th Warrior - Rodcet Nife
4 posts
sitting in ec sombody walks up and offers to trade this and crusty gauntlets for my lammy and silver chitten handwraps... not realizing the quest was so easy i thought it was a fair trade.. 1 week later lsoee is selling for 4.5k down from 8k 2 weeks later 4k.. another week.. nerfed.. 15k? 20k?...
Im holding on to this...
Tasso
42nd season warrior
Im holding on to this...
Tasso
42nd season warrior
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You traded well, this weapon is fantastic which is why it was removed basically. The quest was NOT really that easy at the time though.. it took me 2 and a half hours just to get the dagger drop off that lady in Paludral. It was sort of easy when only a few people knew about it I guess. Once there was always a line and the guy in the bar in fungus was always dead, it was harder.
My 36 sk has this and it frankly beats the crud out of a noct blade which people always try to sell for around 9 k or more. So I'm sure happy I got this before possibly buying a noct. This has FIFTEEN AC ON IT and the 10 mr and 12 dex are not hay either (as a troll sk the dex is nice.. mine was kind of low with crusty plate on)
The ratio is not that marvelous, but with the 15 ac and the fact that if the 5 damage is added in on a hit its a 29 spd 21 damage weapon this thing is really nuts. I originally thought that the 5 damage was only added on after the end so it would always be just a 29 spd 16 dam weapon plus 5 damage AFTER the fact, but the people on the safehouse.org with all their log parsers set me straight, if the 5 damage is applied its 5 more to the RATIO damage ;)
This is really a great weapon for an sk and pally and I'd probably also use it in the primary hand for a ranger or warrior until they were pretty darn high level and had something a lot better then this would be great in the off hand. If I had a ranger or warrior twink right now I'd get the post nerf scimitar and have that in their off hand at dual wield level.. fun combo with 2 ac weapons ;)
Not sure if its worth 19 k but seeing what else goes for 19 k I'd say it was. Its not in the game now. You might be using this for a long time really.
Kylathia, 59 Night Elven Priestess, Blackhand
http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?8783
http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?8783
I'm looking to get one of these for my rogue. 15 ac along with 12 dex in the offhand? Perfect.
edit: woohoo found one finally.. CentiLS goes in the bank. EXCELLENT offhand for my rogue. I was hitting low 50s with the CentiLS; LSoEE I'm hitting low 70s (can't wait to break skill caps at 51). Another added benefit is the light weight of the sword; CentiLS 6.5, LSoEE 2.0. I don't have to ask for ZING in long battles as much anymore.
Edited, Tue Aug 20 02:43:48 2002
edit: woohoo found one finally.. CentiLS goes in the bank. EXCELLENT offhand for my rogue. I was hitting low 50s with the CentiLS; LSoEE I'm hitting low 70s (can't wait to break skill caps at 51). Another added benefit is the light weight of the sword; CentiLS 6.5, LSoEE 2.0. I don't have to ask for ZING in long battles as much anymore.
Edited, Tue Aug 20 02:43:48 2002
[65 Deceiver][link=www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=362635] Derrict [/link](Halfling) <[link=www.hossguild.org]Hoss[/link]>
#bulvar,
Posted: Jan 29 2002 at 7:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i jus gots a wee message fer Verant.... ass to you!
i jus gots a wee message fer Verant.... ass to you!
i wanted that slasher real bad.
Bulvar Biggins
Dwarven Warrior
i wanted that slasher real bad.
Bulvar Biggins
Dwarven Warrior
3 posts
WOW l cant believe it l've seen this thing up for 15k in EC on Karana server already, l got this sword a little while ago for 3500pp and l use it with a frostbringer and l wouldnt sell if it was worth 50k, its a great sword and it just got better now they nerfed it hehe.
8 posts
I just leveled to 55 so this info is as a 54 Barbarian Warrior, I have an interesting theory here. What got me thinking about it was that I usually use a Defiance in Primary and Frostbringer in offhand for primary tanking situations. Even with this fast combo and all skills maxed I sometimes had trouble maintianing aggro over guildmates who are level 60. I use the Frostbringer in main and the LSoEE in offhand for times when I am just there for dealing damge. Here is what is odd, the last couple times grouping in Maiden's Eye, I was secondary behind a 58 pally (we did it to humor the pally) I found myself continually pulling aggro from the paladin without taunting. I switched to fast weapons to check difference and got no aggro. This goes totally against conventional theory of speed and hits = more aggro. Soooo.. I am wondering if the check the weapon does against magic creatures to add the extra damage or not, acts as a resisted spell at times which would explain the insane aggro on only certain mobs. No idea on how to prove or disprove this idea but got to admit it's an interesting concept. Still a dam nice sword either way you look at it.
Caraman
Caraman
19 posts
Afer reading some of these posts, it seems like some of you are mislead by the damage bonuses.
there is not a damge bonus of 11 for everyone, it depends on your level. like starting at level 30, i believe, you get an extra damage bonus every so many levels,
just thought i would point that out, in case some may have missed that.
there is not a damge bonus of 11 for everyone, it depends on your level. like starting at level 30, i believe, you get an extra damage bonus every so many levels,
just thought i would point that out, in case some may have missed that.
aye, at 48, bonus is 7
[65 Deceiver][link=www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=362635] Derrict [/link](Halfling) <[link=www.hossguild.org]Hoss[/link]>
Bah piss on all these wussy 1hs, go with a sweet 2hs and it'll take ye far. Oh, and for taunt factor just ask anyone in Crimson Tempest how well I taunt with 2hs =).
Belgrim Icereaver
Shogun of Kaladim
Crimson Tempest
Belgrim Icereaver
Shogun of Kaladim
Crimson Tempest
Leave the 1hs to the Rangers. We are adept with dual weilding, can Jolt if we need to, and are meant to inflict as much (typically more) damage than the Warriors. And the LSoEE is a perfect choice for a Ranger. I used dual Lammies through most of my later life and that's an aggro magnet. The LSoEE/CentiLS combo I'm using now is beautiful, as it isn't QUITE as fast as a pair of Lammies (therefore, less aggro) but does a lot more damage overall than the Lammies (that's the goal).
2hs? Bah. Leave those to the pallies and get those poor guys some haste stuff.
2hs? Bah. Leave those to the pallies and get those poor guys some haste stuff.
Leafbringer, Pathfinder
Leafdefiler, Undead Enchanter
Leafcat, Once a pet. Once.
Leafdefiler, Undead Enchanter
Leafcat, Once a pet. Once.
21 posts
Dont be a dumb ass Rangers suck. Oh im gonna tank for my group with 1000hp ohh ohhh pfft you go to Maidens eye and try to tank and if you are able to kill ONE i will make a ranger.
17 posts
you better make a ranger then :P i am a 58 ranger and i have personally tanked in ME. I also have been in quite a few groups in ME where rangers were the MA. Dont get me wrong im not on this kick where i think rangers can tank anything, but in regular XP groups its quite possible.
I don't know how you do it.. I've seen low 50 warriors get slapped around with 3000-3500 hp, 950-1000 AC.
[65 Deceiver][link=www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=362635] Derrict [/link](Halfling) <[link=www.hossguild.org]Hoss[/link]>
Tilagnor, what are you saying? Do you really want him to defile our class? Don't listen to him man...stick to your Pally or Warrior or whatever you are. Leave the Rangers to those with a little bit more style in their playing.
Tajom Van Hackenslash
75th Huntmaster
Forged in Fire
Drinal Server
75th Huntmaster
Forged in Fire
Drinal Server
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My 52 Halfling warrior uses a Guard Captains Mallet (11/20 6ag/dex 45 hps) in primary and a LSoEE in the Secondary. Always seeing 150s as crits on my LSoEE. Got a 186 last night in Kael. I used to use a Club of the Ice Ocean in primary and LSoEE in secondary..but had a harder time getting aggro. Slower times on primary will do this...now with the mallet...having no problems. I wear a Sash of Dragonborn with usual Snake so having no haste problems.
Meethos Tangleroot
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Since I have no luck getting the parser I downloaded to work, could I get some help from some of you knowledgable folks please?
***I am the primary tank for my main 6 person grp. I am level 60 halfling warrior and my main concern is keeping agro first, second tanking, and third dishing out damage. (on raids its all about damage for me)
Configurations I am debating are:
1) LSEE primary
SwiftBlade secondary
Allows me to wear high ac gear in normal haste spot and with my normal grp chanter haste I am at 104% haste.
or
2) Jade Mace primary
LSEE secondary
sash of dragonborne
In this combo my haste drops to 90% ? and I lose about 18 AC and some other stats from not being able to equip my SOL belt.
I have alot of other misc 1 handed weapons but nothing spectacular. Sure I would use a velium warsword if I could find one. :)
I have not noticed any taunt difference in either combo and the LSEE really dishes out some major damage in the primary.
I put these stats in the weapon analyser on the net and it said the jade mace primary LSEE secondary would do 100 more damage a minute.
Was something like 1608 I think.
Any constructive suggestions on which combo is better would be appreciated.
Thank You
***I am the primary tank for my main 6 person grp. I am level 60 halfling warrior and my main concern is keeping agro first, second tanking, and third dishing out damage. (on raids its all about damage for me)
Configurations I am debating are:
1) LSEE primary
SwiftBlade secondary
Allows me to wear high ac gear in normal haste spot and with my normal grp chanter haste I am at 104% haste.
or
2) Jade Mace primary
LSEE secondary
sash of dragonborne
In this combo my haste drops to 90% ? and I lose about 18 AC and some other stats from not being able to equip my SOL belt.
I have alot of other misc 1 handed weapons but nothing spectacular. Sure I would use a velium warsword if I could find one. :)
I have not noticed any taunt difference in either combo and the LSEE really dishes out some major damage in the primary.
I put these stats in the weapon analyser on the net and it said the jade mace primary LSEE secondary would do 100 more damage a minute.
Was something like 1608 I think.
Any constructive suggestions on which combo is better would be appreciated.
Thank You
I hate to say it but you are a bit confused. Putting aside your weapon mistake for a second...HASTE ITEMS DO NOT STACK. The rule is 1 haste item will stack with 1 haste spell will stack with 1 bard haste song.
In addition, there are haste caps that Verant has put in place. 80% is the max if I remember correctly.
What really sucks is now all the rest of your info becomes unusable. Please check things out before you post. We want these boards to be full of usable knowledge not wishful flighty thinking.
Edited, Thu Apr 18 08:25:24 2002
In addition, there are haste caps that Verant has put in place. 80% is the max if I remember correctly.
What really sucks is now all the rest of your info becomes unusable. Please check things out before you post. We want these boards to be full of usable knowledge not wishful flighty thinking.
Edited, Thu Apr 18 08:25:24 2002
Kumdaan 63 Oracle
Phanlaster Dreadcaster 60th HIE Wiz
Reliant Mortalguard 51st Pally
Meeky 50 enc Runin 51 nec
Asalisse 39th lvl DE Cleric Nozfahr 40 SK
Phanlaster Dreadcaster 60th HIE Wiz
Reliant Mortalguard 51st Pally
Meeky 50 enc Runin 51 nec
Asalisse 39th lvl DE Cleric Nozfahr 40 SK
Edited, Thu Apr 18 08:27:20 2002
Kumdaan 63 Oracle
Phanlaster Dreadcaster 60th HIE Wiz
Reliant Mortalguard 51st Pally
Meeky 50 enc Runin 51 nec
Asalisse 39th lvl DE Cleric Nozfahr 40 SK
Phanlaster Dreadcaster 60th HIE Wiz
Reliant Mortalguard 51st Pally
Meeky 50 enc Runin 51 nec
Asalisse 39th lvl DE Cleric Nozfahr 40 SK
#craintiff,
Posted: Mar 24 2002 at 2:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) OK numb nuts, first off, which swiftblade, cant be silver swiftblade since thats a 2hander, and J00 seem like da poor type so i assume that it isnt the sboz. which leaves me to assume you mean velium swiftblade, which is hmm i forget but mabey 5dmg 24del? plus some haste per lvl? anyway dumb dumb, if j00 were hasted 100percent or beyond the mob would die instantly, u know, due the the fact of zero delay means umm well instant death. bah ok, learing session on duel weilding. fast weapon in your on hand due to the fact that your on hand hits way more often then your off hand. ok and in your off hand you wana put a high dmg weapon eg... LSoEE k and reason for that being your off hand doesnt hit as often as j00 on hand does, therefore j00 want your off hand to hit harder =P so put that monkey J mace in your on hand and your LS in your off hand and due some taunting you mooo foo, ok one more time i need to get this out
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OK numb nuts, first off, which swiftblade, cant be silver swiftblade since thats a 2hander, and J00 seem like da poor type so i assume that it isnt the sboz. which leaves me to assume you mean velium swiftblade, which is hmm i forget but mabey 5dmg 24del? plus some haste per lvl? anyway dumb dumb, if j00 were hasted 100percent or beyond the mob would die instantly, u know, due the the fact of zero delay means umm well instant death. bah ok, learing session on duel weilding. fast weapon in your on hand due to the fact that your on hand hits way more often then your off hand. ok and in your off hand you wana put a high dmg weapon eg... LSoEE k and reason for that being your off hand doesnt hit as often as j00 on hand does, therefore j00 want your off hand to hit harder =P so put that monkey J mace in your on hand and your LS in your off hand and due some taunting you mooo foo, ok one more time i need to get this out
j00 are NUMB NUTTS
j00 are NUMB NUTTS
my god who the hell r u trying to be? it sounds like Ali G demonstrating quadratic equations to a bunch of stoned hamsters.
i mean jeez if u have to flame sum1 at least do it properly...
i mean jeez if u have to flame sum1 at least do it properly...
Riddle : What question is its own answer?
Before you flame someone, learn your facts.
100 percent haste means that you do (RNG aside) 100 percent more damage over time. Ergo, you attack twice (100 percent is normal, plus 100 percent makes for 200 percent, or 2 times normal). Simple math here. If you're attacking twice as often, what does that do to your delay? Effectively its cut in half (the reciprocal of 2). 100 percent haste with a Wurmy (god forbid) does not mean you are hitting with a 25 damage 0 delay weapon, that would be too sweet. Instead, it means that your weapon is effectively 25 20.
With this sword, at 100 percent haste, you're talking something along the lines of a 14.5 delay, half of 29 delay. I know of at least one ranger who is very happily wielding one of these with his Swiftwind (40 percent haste) at 56 . . .
100 percent haste means that you do (RNG aside) 100 percent more damage over time. Ergo, you attack twice (100 percent is normal, plus 100 percent makes for 200 percent, or 2 times normal). Simple math here. If you're attacking twice as often, what does that do to your delay? Effectively its cut in half (the reciprocal of 2). 100 percent haste with a Wurmy (god forbid) does not mean you are hitting with a 25 damage 0 delay weapon, that would be too sweet. Instead, it means that your weapon is effectively 25 20.
With this sword, at 100 percent haste, you're talking something along the lines of a 14.5 delay, half of 29 delay. I know of at least one ranger who is very happily wielding one of these with his Swiftwind (40 percent haste) at 56 . . .
We only wish we could have 25/0 weapons.....lol
Edited, Mon Jul 1 20:47:25 2002
Edited, Mon Jul 1 20:47:25 2002
3 posts
I am not 100% sure. But If I understand correctly, For a main tank wanting to hold aggro... You need a Fast Primary - yes agreed. But Theory has it too that you also want a fast secondary ( when dual weild is hit - if the weapon is not ready then you wont swing ) <-- thats the part I am usure of. I have 2 combos I use and really have no troubles keeping taunt... but this is what I do :
For Primary Tanking :
Pri : Lammy 9/19
Sec : J. Mace 9/18
For Secondary or Solo
Pri : LSoEE 16/29
Sec : Centi Long 14/27 ( trying to buy jagged sword -- 16/30 Making it pri and LSoEE sec mainly cause I believe that secondary theory I stated in above paragraphs...)
Just my 2 cents....
BTW - with your weops I'd choose Combo #1 despite going against the theory of the sec not being ready.
For Primary Tanking :
Pri : Lammy 9/19
Sec : J. Mace 9/18
For Secondary or Solo
Pri : LSoEE 16/29
Sec : Centi Long 14/27 ( trying to buy jagged sword -- 16/30 Making it pri and LSoEE sec mainly cause I believe that secondary theory I stated in above paragraphs...)
Just my 2 cents....
BTW - with your weops I'd choose Combo #1 despite going against the theory of the sec not being ready.
OK! For those of you that still believe that that dual wield is dependant upon the delay of the primary weapon (that dual wield checks after the primary swings to see if the off-hand weapon is ready to swing) you need to forget that! There is an excellent thread on the safehouse website that features a lot of great facts and studies people have done, but let me point out one thing I did with my friend's rogue to check this out for myself that you can do too if you have a fast weapon and can kill a decaying skeleton :P
First thing I did was kill a decaying skeleton to get a rusty bastard sword (6/42) and put that in my primary and then threw the Burning Rapier (7/20) in the off-hand. Now turn on your log and it will look something like this :
Soandso slashes
Soandso pierces
Soandso pierces
Soandso pierces
Soandso slashes
Soandso slashes
Soandso pierces
Soandso pierces
Soandso pierces
Soandso pierces
Soandso slashes
*please note that is not an actual battle log, but my friend deleted it *bastard* and I'm too lazy to go find another rusty weapon, so I'll leave it to you to try this out*
So, unless Verant changed it recently so that rogues can triple and quad attack at level 47, the theory that the off-hand weapon will not swing if it's delay is more than the primary's is a totally bs theory. By putting a lammy in your primary and the jade mace in your secondary you are hindering your aggro ability and your damage ability from the damage bonus. I hope that helps to put this often believed and inaccurate theory to rest.
Edited, Sat Jan 26 05:45:34 2002
First thing I did was kill a decaying skeleton to get a rusty bastard sword (6/42) and put that in my primary and then threw the Burning Rapier (7/20) in the off-hand. Now turn on your log and it will look something like this :
Soandso slashes
Soandso pierces
Soandso pierces
Soandso pierces
Soandso slashes
Soandso slashes
Soandso pierces
Soandso pierces
Soandso pierces
Soandso pierces
Soandso slashes
*please note that is not an actual battle log, but my friend deleted it *bastard* and I'm too lazy to go find another rusty weapon, so I'll leave it to you to try this out*
So, unless Verant changed it recently so that rogues can triple and quad attack at level 47, the theory that the off-hand weapon will not swing if it's delay is more than the primary's is a totally bs theory. By putting a lammy in your primary and the jade mace in your secondary you are hindering your aggro ability and your damage ability from the damage bonus. I hope that helps to put this often believed and inaccurate theory to rest.
Edited, Sat Jan 26 05:45:34 2002
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Archon (65/21) serv'n tha will ae Brell Serilis
Bristlebane servah
Archon (65/21) serv'n tha will ae Brell Serilis
Bristlebane servah
Without going into too many details, if you want to maintain agro go for the fastest quality weapons you can get your hands on. Quality being a ratio where damage is around 1/2 delay, or better. Jade mace is nice with a good delay, as is lamentation's or bloodpoints.
With many other people parsing the information, the easiest way to explain is that a delay of around 20 or 21 seems the optimum point with maxed haste, and gives the most swings of your weapon. More swings = more hits, and more hits = more agro is the simple explanation.
This weapon is ideal for the reverse. I was pushing for every tank in my guild to get one, most of who declined saying it was too slow for them. But for raids where you want the agro to be maintained on ONE tank, this allows the tanks with one to do damn good potential damage, while reducing the agro - means the mobs stay on the one tank. Slow delay = less hits = less agro. Less hits doesnt mean less damage by the way.
Shame they nerfed it, as it is a nice weapon up to epics, and even beyond for some, but it was fully understandable as to why. It was a very unbalancing weapon.
With many other people parsing the information, the easiest way to explain is that a delay of around 20 or 21 seems the optimum point with maxed haste, and gives the most swings of your weapon. More swings = more hits, and more hits = more agro is the simple explanation.
This weapon is ideal for the reverse. I was pushing for every tank in my guild to get one, most of who declined saying it was too slow for them. But for raids where you want the agro to be maintained on ONE tank, this allows the tanks with one to do damn good potential damage, while reducing the agro - means the mobs stay on the one tank. Slow delay = less hits = less agro. Less hits doesnt mean less damage by the way.
Shame they nerfed it, as it is a nice weapon up to epics, and even beyond for some, but it was fully understandable as to why. It was a very unbalancing weapon.
Unbalanced my ass, lol! Well ok I can see your point but I think they really should concentrate not on balancing classes against eachother but against the damn MOB's. I mean I almost got killed by a light blue MOB the other day.And I'm even nicely equiped, I'm told, for not being a twink.
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Rutro Rorge 50 Pathfinder
Pokesum Monsquish 33 Rogue
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I'm new to being a warrior, but from what I understand speed is a(the?) key part to keeping agro.(?) If that is true, then you'd want to keep the jade mace in the primary slot wouldn't you? You listed keeping agro as your primary goal. If you find that you can keep agro with the LSoEE in primary, I'd go that route since it's higher damage output and still very fast under the conditions you listed.
Just my 2 cp from a new warrior, a halfling as well.
Just my 2 cp from a new warrior, a halfling as well.
#KillahBeez,
Posted: Jan 22 2002 at 11:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lol halfing warriors are teh suck