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Mask of Pulchritude  
 

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: FACE
AC: 20
Skill Mod: Alteration +15% (53 Max)
CHA: +40 INT: +15 MANA: +25
Focus: Reanimation Efficiency III
WT: 0.1 Size: SMALL
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Item Type:Armor
Stackable:No
Lucy Entry By:Atarak
Updated By:Trees
Source:Live
Updated:Thu Oct 9th, 2008
Shadows of Luclin Required: Yes


Rarity: Rare
Level to Attain: 55

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...and the plot thickens
# Sep 24 2004 at 1:16 AM Rating: Default
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Edited, Tue Dec 14 09:44:12 2004
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works!!!
# May 13 2004 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
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As an enchanter who recently replaced this mask with radiant mask of the disease lord, the focus effect DOES work on summoned pets for enchanters
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# Apr 14 2004 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
I was in a grp recently that dropped Servitor, the chanter had max CHA/INT and a HP face anyway, I had one, the druid had one, the SK didnt want it and nor did the cleric. However, the warrior said it was fine with him, Divine Intervention is based on CHA, and he took one, and the cleric took the other for selling purposes. Odd concept, but sometimes the little things count.

Maybe that DI firing might just save him one time and make it worth it. It is, of course, not his primary mask, since he has a face piece with HPs, but it was interesting to notice how yet another class might get a situational use out of it that isn't generally thought about.

The more I play EQ the more I learn about the arcane little benefits for EVERY class on these all/all items that seem, at first glance, to belong only to one or two obvious classes. Even if its only to lower vendor prices :o)
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Clearing Confusion
# Apr 06 2004 at 6:00 PM Rating: Default
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Ok there seems to be some confusion regarding the focus effect here. I see mages, enchanters, and shamans saying how this focus effect is going to save them mana. I believe you are all confusing Summoning Efficiency and Reanimation Efficiency. Reanimation Efficiency only works on skeleton pets. If you don't believe me check the list of focus effect descriptions on this site.

The boost to Alteration skill will reduce fizzle rate on those specific spells and therefore will save you a little mana indirectly. But this item will NOT make the mage technique of "canni-petting" work more efficiently because it is the wrong focus effect. It also won't keep the shaman pet from costing far too much mana to cast.

Now that I said all of that, I still want one for my enchanter just to free up int and cha boosts taking up other slots. I also want one for my necro. In fact, I think I'll log on now and get a group together. :)
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RE: Clearing Confusion
# Aug 16 2004 at 5:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I believe you are wrong actually. My enchanter has Reanimation Haste III on Fabled Nightshade Wreath and it Does indeed work to lower the casting time on my pet. If this one doesn't work, then it is bugged one way or the other, but trust me it isn't just for the undead pets.
Alteration past Cap?
# Mar 21 2004 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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My Guild has been farming SoL for this mask and Orbs. He has dropped one or two masks each kill. Being a 65 Chanter with SCM3,Mana Pres 4 item and maxed on alteration I allowed myself to be one of the last to get this item. Necro and Shammy wanted one and let them take it too. Well I received one 2 days ago and guess what. I have fizzled 3 times in 16 hours of play. Thats awesome! I haven't tested the effect on its mana conservation yet but will edit in my findings soon.

Edited, Sun Mar 21 22:00:55 2004
Not so rare
# Feb 14 2004 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
Killed him 4 times in 8 days (thanks GoD), and he dropped Wand of Musing/Sombrous Claidhmore on Kill 1 (happy chanter/Claidhmore rotted), Lurid Dagger/Sombrous Claidhmore Kill 2 (grats PvP Paladin), Lurid Dagger/Sombrous Claidhmore Kill 3 (grats druid's alt twinkie tank), and Mask of Pulchritude x 2 (gratZ chanter and druid).

To the person who said a necro should never get this, you are an unmitigated idiot. I have a 100CHA Robe of Dark Beguilement augmented, and I would have happily taken this mask if no one else in the grp had needed it for those times when I go charming or mezzing. CHA is awesome for those occasions when you need to visit Veksar or CoD.

In addition, the moderation to Alteration, which is a necro's usual primary magic specialisation, is not to be sneezed at either.
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heh
# Dec 27 2003 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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Just killed servitor with a wizard, rogue, cleric, shaman, warrior and ranger all 65 and sure enough 2 masks. I have to say the mask does suck compared to getting that FT1 20int 100mana wand but still my necro got one of the masks and 15% alteration is a great boost to any necro even level 65, too bad the reanimation stuff only lasts till 60 though...

Liveye (lvl 65 Wizard)
Tizere (lvl 30 Necromancer)
#YoshMunkeyfoot, Posted: Dec 23 2003 at 6:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ebon Tendrils have accuired several of this item. Would you like to join a friendly, well reputed guild that attains items like this? If so visit our web-site at www.ebontendrils.com for more info on us and how to apply
rare???
# Dec 18 2003 at 6:54 PM Rating: Decent
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post has this listed as rare loot, im not so sure, both times my guild has dropped this guy he has dropped 2x this mask. havent seen any of the other "common" loot as of yet but hes scheduled to be up tonight so i guess well see
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Double Dropping
# Nov 06 2003 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Whichever way you look at it, and there are many detractors on this site that say this mask isn't all it's cracked up to be, this mask dropped as a double loot last night. I managed to snaffle one and it has pushed my Int to 252 and Cha to 255 with KEI however I now don't have to worry about using my CHA buff!!!
As a chanter, this frees me up to divide some of my other slots onto more useful stats, hmmm, maybe I'll get some additional strength to help me carry more gems back from velks or perhaps a little bit more AGI or DEX to help me out when I'm getting beaten on in multi-melee fights.
This mask absolutely ROCKS!!! I defy any INT based character who says otherwise.
RE: Double Dropping
# Dec 27 2003 at 7:24 AM Rating: Default
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It's good for necros all around, it's good for chanter because of the cha and the int. Otherwise I'd pass on this mask. Wizard and mages need int/mana and reanimation efficiency and alteration aren't of much consequence to any int caster but necros and maybe mages with their pet heals. Speaking as a wizard though I'll keep my eye of cazic thule. :p I just can't get over having to go through all that **** for my epic and then being able to wear his eye and brain out and around for trophies. *dance*

Liveye (lvl 65 Wizard)

PS- I still wear my carmine robe as well, PoFear rocks sometimes. :p
RE: Double Dropping
# Sep 03 2005 at 9:34 PM Rating: Decent
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quote: "reanimation efficiency and alteration aren't of much consequence to any int caster but necros and maybe mages with their pet heals"

....ummm alteration is of huge consequence for enchanters...for one...pull up the enchanter spell list sometime. Most all enchanters pick alteration as their casting specialization.

....and clerics? Yeah they're wis casters, and I don't play one, but I wouldn't think +15% to alteration would be a bad deal for them either. Their heal spells are alteration. Anyone here ever die because a c-heal fizzled? I've seen that happen a few times.

+15% takes your 250 skill up to the neighborhood of 287.5. Not sure which way that's rounded, probably down? So say an alteration skill of 287. This mask is worth wearing for the alteration bump alone, not even considering the stats.

20 AC isn't bad for a face item either. For any class. And the 40 cha well.....some peeps say cha buffs are one of the best kept secrets in the game. Any class in the game could find some use for this puppy, maybe not as an item to wear full time for some of them, but then again....cha is nice for a lot of checks. Not just vendors.
Great mage mask
# Oct 01 2003 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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By the way that Reanimation Eff 3 works for mage pets up to lvl 49 as well. As a matter of fact I'm willing to bet that mages are the only class that will use that focus by the time you can get one of these. We can use the mask to make "canni-petting" more efficient.

And the stats help for mezzing/charming in Takish & BOT!
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RE: Great mage mask
# Dec 06 2003 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Am I misreading something here? The effect description says it works on spells up to level 60.

Being a magician, I'm sure an enchanter would be awarded this before me, but I certainly wouldn't be at all unhappy to have this item. My int is long since maxxed, but my saves need a boost. This would allow me to free up another slot or two for resist gear.
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Dropped 2
# Jul 29 2003 at 3:43 AM Rating: Default
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Yesterday evening we went in GE and took him down and he dropped 2 Mask.

Raid Leader decided it was best for both chanty who were here. Merrini and myself are happy :)
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Nice Mask
# Mar 23 2003 at 11:44 PM Rating: Default
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The mask dropped the other night from Servitor. Me and an Enchanter both rolled for it. I did though let the chanter take it. Saying it's this class or this class...bah rubbish. If it's an upgrade to any class...then it's an upgrade. It's not a Chanter mask, not a necro mask. it's All/All....it's an upgrade.
RE: Nice Mask
# May 31 2003 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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i would definitely want the enchanters to roll on this one. the combination of high charisma (lulls and mezzes are somewhat dependant on this) and 15% alteration mod (hastes and slows are alteration based, as are mind buffs and charms).
Specialization checks in alteration reduce the cost of mana on a certain spell (quick explanation for those unsure: if you make a check for alteration for a spell that costs 400 mana, you could end up with a spell costing 310 mana. However, you don't check before you cast, but during the cast; thus you need 400 mana to cast the spell, but it will leave you with 90 more mana than you normally would have had.)

Since an enchanter in the heat of combat needs mana for mezzes,conjuration based and more effective with 40 extra charisma, I think that giving this to a chanter for the extra mana would be in the best interest for the guild.
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RE: Nice Mask
# Sep 25 2003 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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It isn't by any means a chanter mask. Necro's charm too and need the cha to hold their charm just as much as a chanter does. While it is true that we dont charm as much (mainly because there aren't as many undead zones as live), but that doesn't mean an enchanter should preclude a necro from getting this at all. I also don't know the spells the Enchanter gets as far as which theirs are predominant, but alteration is the necros prime spell type (DoT's).
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#Yevun, Posted: May 21 2003 at 2:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) not really, its more of , who would gain the most from it, ust because its all doesn't mean anyone should wear it, if i was with u an you were talking like that i'd have to roll on it then, cause hey it is all/all
#tzsjynx, Posted: May 25 2003 at 5:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ya but ENCs need CHA, more then they need INT and at the same level as they need Mana. This is nice INT on a mask but what is really nice about this is you can take off the Dex/Cha Rings and Bracers and still end up on top Cha wise...
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# Jan 13 2003 at 8:16 AM Rating: Default
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This item its the rarest item from Servitor.


also question..

Will + alteration reduce the amount of mana cost for spells or just reduce the fizzle rate? or increase the chance of specialize alteration to hit.. please
RE: .
# Jan 16 2003 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Each spell skill reduces your chance of fizzling for spells that use that skill. If your skill is approx. 15 points or worse below the max in that skill for the level the spell can fist be used (Ex.: max at level 8 is 45, say you had 30), then you will fizzle quite frequently on that spell. As your skill goes beyond the max for the level the spell came available, you will fizzle less and less until that spell rarely fizzles at all.

I can't recall if the base skill affects the odds of the Specialization kicking in, I think that may be based purely on the Specialization, though.

Hmm, wonder if they're gonna kick out some Skill Mod items for Specs anytime soon? Be nice to see 'em in, say, LoY? :) Heheh
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everyone is overlooking....
# Dec 18 2002 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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40Cha? nice, but not the main thing
15Int? nice, but not the main thing
20AC? nice, but not the main thing

Alteration +15% HOLY!

Enchanter, 15% to their alteration is crazy, considering 75% of their spells are alteration based....

please, ENC!
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Int casters
# Oct 13 2002 at 9:43 AM Rating: Default
This is a ok mask for any int caster, awsome for chanters and necros I guess could have some limited use for it over a Wizard or mage. But ive seen all 4 int casters with this mask, also seen it go to a SK. Its not that rare a drop and the Servitor isnt that hard to take down.
OMGZ what a bunch of winers
# Aug 02 2002 at 3:17 PM Rating: Default
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If you guys are still bickering about, OMGZ THE CHARISMA IS SO GREAT, then you must have some pretty crappy stuff. And OMGZ SO MUCH INT. For the love of god, I have *counts slowly to five* five slots that are filled with **** items... and yet I have 149 int as an Iksar Necro... Hence, all I can say is whoopdi doo, its got 15 int =P. As for fear kiting, yar, I do that for factioning. But I prefer charming the undead and slowling one mob and hasting the other. If you don't know what I'm talking about then /smack, go check out The Grey and Tenebrius. As for the AC... why are you getting hit?, you messed up bro, now take your death and learn from it... all I see is alteration here and afflication, those who can use it best should get it. And if it has reanimation efficency 3 then either an SK or Necro should be considered, since only we use that. Your question might be, why in godz name would anyone need that, then you've never killed something with chain pets before =P, or had to set up a camp that would gain you agro in 7 seconds... bah... bunch of whinners... You only deserve something if you put your time in and can use the item, not if you can use the item best. If I want a mez, I'll kill the mob/root/mez it myself/charm it/or fear the darn thing. And if I can't do that, I have no idea why the heck I'm there, since I've never had that problem.

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RE: OMGZ what a bunch of winers
# May 30 2003 at 1:31 AM Rating: Default
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Sigh, you dont think 40cha on an item is OMG? thats huge pal, even for a necro, charm = cha. you have 149 int and 5 **** slots, um ok, cool you rule. WTH are you and everyone else like you posting about? It is a nice item period. It can be used by several classes period. And each class has some unique benefit from it PERIOD. Pardon my misplaced post but after clicking thru items lists tonite yeesh, its the same BS **** on every link. Save it. And for the post on alteration... 15% yeah, well enchanters wont be using that once they hit a cap... but another class who doesnt have "75%" of their spells alt based and isnt at the cap, now they could benefit from that. Think about it, if 75% of spells are alt base, that skill is gonna be maxed fast every time you level and raise the cap.

..... cha is for charm, and pacify type spells resisted aggro checks, debatedly for fear
RE: OMGZ what a bunch of winers
# Aug 12 2002 at 12:03 AM Rating: Decent
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It's BS to say it's a necro/sk item just because it has a necro/sk focus effect(though the 20ac and stats do make it look nice for a sk).

As a 60 necro, I would never roll for this item. I look for stuff that gives +hitpoints. Yes this has some nice stats, but I'd bank it for any mask that had more than 50hp and decent stats. The 100 mana I'd save casting a pet is a joke.

Now look at other classes that can use it. I would assume the ac by itself makes this decent for a SK. Ac/int/cha is also good for a bard and chanter. Oh yeah, mag/wiz would like the ac/int/mana.

Other classes would get much better use from it than than I would. I'd rather see my guild become more powerful as a whole than have me get every semi-decent piece of necro gear that drops on our raids.
RE: OMGZ what a bunch of winers
# Sep 12 2002 at 9:44 PM Rating: Default
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very much agree with you man.. this in my opinion is bard chanter or sk item.. the ac is the only reason i would even think about sk but the fact of the matter is the 40cha and the 15int are only gonna go so far for him.. bard and chanter would get good stats from this item and the bard and chanter would love the ac since they are lower in the ac cat and using mez .. another thing.. if your strong enough to get this item the chances that as a tank "sk" that u need this item over what you have is very slim.. most guilds if they are smart would give this to a chanter of a bard and most guilds ubber sk's are already better then the ac on this via the stats on an other item.. .. good luck all
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Necro item?
# Jul 29 2002 at 9:14 AM Rating: Default
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Leave it to Verant... the mask I currently wear is the Mask of Fall. +7 INT decent AC/MANA and the effect is Improved Healing.
Based on the stats I would expect this item to go to an enchanter before anyone, then bards and never to a necro. But the effect (and I am guessing it has changed based on other posts) it necro only (reanimation summoning). That is pretty lame. The affliction would of been better. At least the enchanter that should get this item has DOT's. Not like it really matters for raids. Only thing Enchanters do on any high end raid it buff. Only thing Necro's do is feed mana. Only thing Druids do is heal, or nuke. Would be nice for grinding though.
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RE: Necro item?
# Aug 11 2002 at 3:08 AM Rating: Default
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Hmm. Not sure how you do things where you are from, but I can say from experience that chanters DO do a lot more than just buff on raids. During break in many times we are still called upon to crowd control unless your guild has enough good tanks to split tank ALL the adds. And when we get to our objective, we are still debuffing (Tash, Cripple, Asphyxiate), or argo controlling (Glam Visage, Horrifying Visage). So even in high end mobs that we have hunted in Ssra (actually ESPECIALLY with those mobs), our job is not done after the buffing is over. Many guilds are finding out they don't have enough 60 chanters for some of the higher end mobs right now and have been keeping their eyes out for good chanters.

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Item effect wrong
# Jul 11 2002 at 5:35 AM Rating: Default
I am a 60 level Necro I was given this item. The effect is reanimation Efficiency III
The items was a killer up grade for me
The mob droped 2 masks i got one guild chanter got other.
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# Jun 06 2002 at 9:52 AM Rating: Default
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Necros are supposed to be the DoT kings...it is supposed to be the ONE THING we are the best at. So why did they make the items with Affliction Efficiency III(by far the most important focus item for Necros) so much better for other classes? One is great for enchanters, one is great for shamans, and the third is for a bard epic?! Well, this just goes to show that the so-called 'caster balancing' act is another excuse to passively nerf the Necro.

To cut off those of you with the 'But they put group spells in for necros!' thoughts running through your heads- The first group spell a necro gets is so uber rare that I am not even sure it drops anymore. Durations and resistances suck on these spells, and they are still too rarely dropped.

And WTF is a Dustscryer's Crystal Ball doing as a Focus III item?!
RE: Necros Post-50th Level
# Jun 26 2002 at 6:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd just like to point out that CHA is not just for enchanters - it helps necro charms as well (at least it seems to for me). So this really is a top notch necro item. In addition I understand (but cannot confirm for a certainty) that the Affliction line of focus items don't relate to mez at all - they relate to HP based harmful spells - can anyone confirm this?

In short (a) this item is great for necros - if you think this nerfs necros I really must disagree - played right we OWN and this item makes us more powerful for sure; and (b) this really is a better item for necros than enchanters for the reasons stated above - but then it's nice by anyone's standards.

That's my 2 cents - now i'm off to poison a few high elven kids and their grannies in GFay ;P

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RE: Necros Post-50th Level
# Jun 16 2002 at 2:32 PM Rating: Default
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LOL, don't complain.

Try being a halfling druid (one of the very best druids in the game). Druids may not be the DOT kings, but they sure do live by them most of the time in any given situation.

Now, do a search for Affliction Efficiency III for a halfling druid, and this is the only item that comes up. :)

We'd be lucky to get this item in a group... it screams Enchanter, if not any int caster.

Edited, Sun Jun 16 16:01:17 2002
RE: Necros Post-50th Level
# Jul 02 2002 at 5:20 PM Rating: Default
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All the other classes are nerfed when compared to druids.... VI seems to favor the druids, making them have the best effects (look at SS tunic), have pets, and port, druids dont need to be able to be good at DoTing! The only people that should be able to roll on Affliction haste and efficiency items (Depending on stats) should be Shammies and Necros, overall, shammies have the best single DoT but Necros are the best DoTers when it comes to stacking DoTs up. Other classes get DoTs but the Affliction focuses should be given to the people that are good at DoTing, not somebody that has a few DoTs but could never out damage a person that is actually good at DoTing. Druids get me angry because they think everything should be made for or should be given to them because they are spoiled idiots. Druids I guess get all the stuff they get because they have to make up for the fact that they are one of the weakest classes in the game.
RE: Necros Post-50th Level
# Jun 08 2002 at 11:49 PM Rating: Good
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You *are* kidding right? Necros are not overpowered, and I doubt VI still thinks of them that way. Focus items are pretty crappily implemented in a lot of cases. For instance, a lot of what would benefit a hybrid... will never be used by a hybrid because the stats suck or it is a high enough end encounter that a guild would be silly to let a hybrid use one. I think it sucks, but I don't think VI is out to "passively nerf" the hybrid classes.

These items are just poorly set up. Case in point, Shadel Bandit ring. It is a very nice ring, and it drops in a 50+ zone. However, it now has Summoning Haste II. Wow. so the ring now has an effect that is useless to at most Mages and *perhaps* Shamen, and the II demarcation means that it will not fire on most of the pets used by anyone hunting in FG. VI was not arbitrary with what effects they stuck on various items, but it comes close.

Its not an attempt to passively nerf the necro, and I think you may want to start looknig at what is good about your class before hollering about nerfage. I see the same sort of paranoid attitude on the part of some rangers, and it gets old fast no matter what class is subscribing to it.
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New effect
# Jun 05 2002 at 1:30 PM Rating: Default
Affliction efficiency III has been reported as being added to this item. Only other known items with this effect at this time is the white dragon scale cloak and skywatcher's monocle. This is easily the most obtainable item to get with this effect... and is almost worthless to necros and shamans (the two main DoT classes). Actually, the monocle is the only good item with affliction efficiency III on it. It's really too bad. What were they thinking on this one?
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RE: New effect
# Sep 11 2002 at 11:30 PM Rating: Default
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White dragonscale cloak is inc dmg 3, not affliction eff.
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RE: New effect
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White dragonscale cloak is inc dmg 3, not affliction eff.
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RE: New effect
# Jun 06 2002 at 1:47 AM Rating: Default
Actually, what most people don't seem to realize is that 'Affliction' on the new focus items refers to all harmful spells with a duration, not just dots. That includes mezzes and slows. Therefore, this effect just goes further toward making this an enchanter's dream mask. : )
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RE: New effect
# Jun 06 2002 at 4:50 AM Rating: Decent
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It is also quite appropriate for Necromancers and Shadowknights actually. Of course, wisdom based casters will be less than thrilled but hey, it is still better than almost anything for those that use the various time-based spells.

Indeed, Enchanters should be suitably interested though.
SK's
# May 31 2002 at 5:04 AM Rating: Default
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as much as i hate doing this consider SK's for this as well
AC- we all need that
INT-SK's are INT casters
CHR-ok thats kinda wasted on SK's
ALT mod- SKs use primarily ALT spells just like Necros do
All this arguement about the Alteration...
# Apr 25 2002 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
Is stupid.

All skills max out at 255. No bonus item can take you above that limit.

So who gains the most OVERALL benefit from this Mask?

Shadowknight.

(And I don't even play one!)
#Fistanidu, Posted: Apr 29 2002 at 2:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think chanters will benifit most, at this level chanters prolly have their epic. Hasting takes up a lot of mana, so that mana free haste changes the whole game for them. Here's what it does, it makes a chanter wanna specialize in conjuration instead of alteration. Therefore alteration spell cap becomes 235, conjuration spell cap becomes 252. 15% of 235 = 35.25 add it to 235 = 270.25. In theroy you can have over the character value of 255, or game cap 252 with SoL. Even if you can't get the 270.25 believe me, 252 is much better then 235. The stats are way to obvious and I have no desire to go any further on this subject.
252 actually
# Apr 29 2002 at 6:48 AM Rating: Default
why does everyone argue for who gets what
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lets face it, yes perhaps the best class that will benifit this item is the chanter, but look at the other stats, how many 20ac face slots do you see, if this drops, and i lose the roll to a tank, id be upset, but i would still congradulate him, and move on... yes this is on ym dream list of gear, and i would love to get this... its all/all.. meaning everyone can use it, and yes every class will benifit from it just the ac alone... anyways lates

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#Mahande, Posted: Apr 26 2002 at 3:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) how many **** times does it have to be said... any guild that can take down the high end luclin mobs DOES NOT ROLL ON ITEMS!!!!!! it is awarded... **** i think you people are deaf sometimes
RE: why does everyone argue for who gets what
# Apr 26 2002 at 3:30 AM Rating: Default
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Servitor of Luclin is hardly a "highend luclin mob", a mid-range one at best.
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RE: why does everyone argue for who gets what
# Jun 06 2002 at 9:55 AM Rating: Default
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Since when is a level 65 mob "mid-range"?
RE: why does everyone argue for who gets what
# Jun 17 2002 at 1:32 PM Rating: Default
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When it can be taken down by two groups without wiping.
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Who gets?
# Apr 03 2002 at 11:15 PM Rating: Default
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How about instead of posting wonderful, long-winded reasons for who should get this item you just STFU and worry about who should get it when one actually drops for YOU and the group/raid YOU are with/on?
And let everyone else worry about who "should" get it when one drops for them?

It's highly unlikely, after all, that you'll be grouping with the other people that post here anyway.

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# Apr 03 2002 at 5:32 PM Rating: Default
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Break it down my stat:
AC - Everyone can use AC, sure, but melees, bards included, that can get the force to take this mob down can get the force to take down other mobs with better AC face items. (Like this one: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=8888

INT - Int casters, DUH. Only other reason is for int is skill increases, and if you want this mask for that, you can find yourself in the dictionary under "greedy".

CHA - Enchanters/Bards mezzes. Shaman slows. And everyone else's vendor prices. Bards, if you are doing the mezzes in for your guild, you need to fire your Enchanters. CHA does NOT effect fears, Verant has stated that many times. If you want CHA on a onesy-twosy basis, ask the chanter to cast it on you... chanters need it ALL THE TIME.

MANA - Casters and to a lesser extent, bards.

ALTERATION - Enchanters, Necros, Shaman (possibly Clerics and Druids). This stat is hands-down the most impressive stat on the item. If you do not understand that, go do some research. For that reason, and that reason alone, the only classes that should be considered are the 3 I just said.

Now, let's go buy classes/archetypes:
Bard? - NO! +15% alteration is wasted on you. A 15% skill mod is incredible, the only items I've seen with a higher % skill mod are for skills like Sense Heading. 15% alteration is the most unbelieveable part of this mask, and it is wasted on a Bard.

Any pure melee? - NO!! If you argue for this, you need to quit EverQuest and go back to playing something a little easier to understand.

Wizard/Mage? - NO. You should be specializing in Evocaton and Conjuration, respectively. Nuff said.

Priest clases (non-Shaman)? - Slim chance. INT is wasted on you. But Alteration may have some good effects for you.

Shaman? - Could be. Same as other Priest classes, but virtually all a Shaman does relies on Alteration.

Necro/SK? - Good chance. Seeing as how they are INT casters, and they do a good bit of specialization in Alteration. (Not sure about the SK on Alteration tho, never looked into it.)

Enchanter? - Good chance. INT caster, uses CHA for more than just buying and selling, lives and dies but Alteration (like a Shaman). The AC is simply an added bonus, but unlike CHA for a melee, AC for chanter can be the difference between mezzing adds and the party dying because the chanter got hit too hard.

Conclusion: Most likely either an Enchanter or Necromancer should receive the item. A Shaman if there are a few "odd" circumstances. Then maybe a Druid or a Cleric, if there are some REALLY odd circumstances. And then perhaps a Bard, if everyone else above either already has one, or goes LD when there are only 2 seconds left to loot it.


Edited, Wed Apr 3 17:31:48 2002
RE: Why do I have to explain myself twice?
# Aug 11 2004 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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The reason why you need to edit and explain yourself is because you have not done your homework.

1. I would like to Quote from your slanted look into the Priest Class ( non-Shaman ) - " Slim chance. INT is wasted on you. But Alteration may have some good effects for you."

Alteration may have some good effects. MAY HAVE SOME GOOD EFFECTS!
Sir perhaps you should take the advice you gave to the Any Pure Melee part of your rant. It is YOU who needs to go play something a little easier to understand.

I will walk you through this Sir because im sure your blinded by your own ignorance.

1. Priest class = Cleric humm... now I know Clerics do not cast as many buffs as a Shaman but let us think of another type of spell that we do cast more of then any other class in the game. Humm what could that be.....

Oh thats right HEAL SPELLS ! Doh almost forgot about those things. Yea those nifty spells that keep your candy a$$ alive because you gave the warrior all the gear with high STAMINA right?? Oh wait you were on the other side of the arguement when the Stamina or + HP item came up because you needed it ! Yes you in your hyprocracy did not have any problems making issue on why your Necro or Chanter needed something with that stat did you.

Anyway lets get back to those Heal Spells. I would like point out that YOU do need the INT stats big time Mister Research. You think Alteration May have some good effects for Priest non Shaman classes??? Heal Heal Heal oh hey Heal spells are ALTERATION can you believe that WOW that " MAY HAVE SOME GOOD EFFECTS FOR PRIESTS NON SHAMAN CLASSES YA THINK??? Hey that reminds me my cleric specilized in Alteration for the heals NOT the buffs. Oh wait speaking of buffs how about you go look up a spell called Death Pact or Divine Intervention. I usually cast one on the Enchanter right after I cast one upon myself. Good CHA is great for buying stuff dude. CHA is also great for buying a better chance to stay alive because you really need to be a smooth talker to obtain the favor of the Gods. < Would you like paper or plastic Sir >

Golly who would of thunk it. Perhaps you should edit again after you have done some research or maybe you should go back to playing something a little eazier to understand :) Do not talk down to people till you get your facts straight. Drop the bias and open your mind.



Edited, Wed Aug 11 12:01:23 2004
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# Apr 02 2002 at 12:20 AM Rating: Decent
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This item has great stats for anyone, personally I would say yeah an enc is best but definitely any intcaster should get a roll on it, and yes <sigh> the monks should get a crack at it too. Show me a non NToV STemple drop for a monk/necro/enc/wiz/mage to compare for utility on the face. AC to wt ratio for the monkly on this is insane. The Cha can be used by an enc or a necro. Granted I don't travel in the "uber" circles, but I don't know anyone one personally other than a few LoS, who have better faces as mages or wizards for the int. Hehehe show me a tradeable one and I'll buy 3 =)
great for bard and sha
# Mar 24 2002 at 7:25 PM Rating: Decent
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people who think that this is not a bard item are fools and being a lvl 60 shaman i would love to have this cha gives us a better chance to land slow. bards need it for there mez song just as much as a chanter needs it. so i would say if anyone should be rolling on this it should be a chanter bard and shaman. maybe the bard dont need the alteration but a shaman sure as **** can benifit from it as much as a chanter. u cant have a raid without a good shaman chanter or bard atleast a good raid.

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Edited, Sun Mar 24 19:27:00 2002
RE: great for bard and sha
# Apr 26 2002 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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slows are checked by disease resist
chanter item
# Mar 19 2002 at 4:37 AM Rating: Default
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It is a chanter item. Do bards use alteration? If they do then they should roll but I very seriously doubt that they have the need like a chanter does. 20 AC that is a ton for a chanter and the 40 cha well that means we might drop a crappy ac item with decent cha for ac item. Just my personal opinion that chanters should be only ones rolling on this. Yes it is all/all and yes all classes could use it but if you don't give to chanter you hunt with regularly and some tank/other person takes it...don't complain when chanter gets a mez resist that wipes out whole party.

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RE: chanter item
# Jun 06 2002 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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oooo charisma! Must be for Chanters! I swear to Cazic the next time a chanter says that another highend intelligence item that is all/all should only be rolled on BY chanters I am gonna burst a blood vessel somewhere. OK, I get it. Enchanters, Clerics, and Warriors are the priority...until all the Enchanters, Clerics, and Warriors die...then it is "Why don't you have enough mana to rez us with your 500pp+ component spell before the repops?" Anyone who restricts rolls for the BEST class, instead of who can get good use out of the item is either doing so out of ignorance or selfishness. Now that they added Affliction Efficiency to this item, perhaps you will add that Enchanters slow too (easily forgetting that Shamans are better at it.)

Oh, and Alteration does not effect resists, Channeling does - so there goes your Mez argumetn right out the freaking window!

Edited, Thu Jun 6 10:54:36 2002
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# Mar 18 2002 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Well you can argue all you want on the tank/chanter dealio~ but if this baby drops you better believe i'm rolling on it.. Cant use the alteration but everything else is great for my class as well~

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Alteration Mod....
# Mar 07 2002 at 9:50 AM Rating: Decent
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indeed by far the Charisman on this piece places it in the hands of an enchanter... but as a Shaman... Alteration is my life... my tanks live by my buffs, regens, and when ench not present my haste spells.....

also.. shamans though able to summon pets.. can charm animals... though VERY weak in comparison to an enchanter.. this item .. with its ALTERATION MOD... MANA.. and even charisma would greatly benifit a solo high level shaman...

just some food for thought

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Edited, Thu Mar 7 09:49:47 2002
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RE: Alteration Mod....
# Mar 08 2002 at 5:56 AM Rating: Default
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Quote:
indeed by far the Charisman on this piece places it in the hands of an enchanter...


Speaking as a druid, what about the Necromancer?
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RE: Alteration Mod....
# Mar 22 2002 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
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bards....enchanters arent the only ones who use charisma
RE: Alteration Mod....
# Mar 20 2002 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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This is awful for necros. They use neg charisma for fear line of spells.
RE: Alteration Mod....
# Mar 28 2002 at 11:41 PM Rating: Decent
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cha doesn't do **** for fear. plus, what necro able to get this item is fear kiting still?

cha helps with charms, and a necro can use that.
RE: Alteration Mod....
# Mar 30 2002 at 5:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Fear still has a purpose even in the highish end game.

Say for example your guild is clearing Plane of Fear to get to Cazic Thule, you want the Glare Lords and Tenticle Terrors snared and feared to prevent their **** annoying constant dispelling of your buffs.

But the poster above is correct, negative charisma affecting necromancers fear line of spells is a complete myth.
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Not best for enchanters
# Mar 01 2002 at 10:41 PM Rating: Default
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This is a tough one.. druids seem to be the most logical class for this item in terms of charisma utility, but they don't use _any_ intelligence. Druids also have the highest AC of the casting classes worth noting. Druid alteration is more valuable than an enchanter's as well. Sure sticking a mez is important, but having an evac in case it doesn't stick even with the 15% mod is _more_ important. I'd rather take my chances on the druids mod for evac, than increase the odds of an enchanter being able to solo gate and ditch a group.
Despite the whining about it being an enchanter item; enchanters at the uber level have a pretty innate capacity to maximize their charisma (unbuffed even), and that doesn't take into account that they can cast charisma on themselves as spell.
In the top game, the power of class specific charm spells over the generalized enchanter ones can have very case specific utilities which would be more valuable to such a guild than providing a dime a dozen enchanter the ability to open up a couple more inventory slots. Druids and Necro's with maximized charisma are not a dime a dozen and would prove exceptionally useful in specific encounters.

Whoever said that warriors cannot use intelligence obviously don't take into account the way these stats effect the power of your resist numbers. 255 resist with 60 int does not compare to 255 resist with 255 int by a long shot. Spells alone can skyrocket the resist value, but scarcely touch the resist check function of intelligence and/or wisdom modification. My warrior with built in magic resist hardly ever resists anything at 100 resist.. I can't even recall a resist in my first 25 or so levels of soloing.. we're talking lots of poisonous stuff and lots of level losses - light blues. My twinked out druid (220 wis) with only 40 magic resist was resisting so well from blood reds at lower levels, I was shocked speachless. I didn't even know what I had been missing all that time. I was _literally_ THAT amazed. It makes a _huge_ difference.

Warriors are the most vulnerable of all the classes to magic, this is a good alternative to help a main tank in an elite guild become that much more uberized. You don't want your MOB-sheild 'mana sink' to be sucking up more than they need to be and you certainly don't want it to die! Max intelligence on the primary tank of an uber raid is like having a druid or necro with maxxed charisma.. _rare_ and _extremely valuable_ and impossible to achieve without this mask. This condition is significantly different than the enchanters situation.. your alteration doesn't go above 255, so at some point, the increase becomes null. Intelligence and charisma are high as starting base stats and found in higher ratio with items your class will most likely be given to equip. I personally think this mask is a waste on an enchanter. Odd as it may seem, the mask with the enchanter stats should not go to the enchanter. It' kinda synonmous (but not as extreme) as giving a bind/gate item to a pure caster. If the guild who picked this up gave it to their enchanter, I would assert that they are intimidated by image and not very creative.

For the enchanter who said they'd /disband from a guild who gave it to a non-caster, and would seriously consider disbanding if it went to anyone besides an enchanter; you are simply a symptom of this fear, greed and ignorance.

Lot's of opinions there, take 'em for what you will..
RE: Not best for enchanters
# Dec 29 2002 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I got bored way before reading this one and didn't even bother reading through the whole thing and don't even want to comment on what class this is best for or what statements are incorrect other than mezzing is conjuration. Alteration is basically charm, buffs, debuffs...
RE: Not best for enchanters
# Mar 30 2002 at 4:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Druids also have the highest AC of the casting classes worth noting

Truth:
Druidz have horrible ac, which is why they go down in melee at lvl 60 to a lvl 55 mob in 15 seconds. Shaman and clerics both have much higher ac. fact of the matter is this item is great for everyone that uses alteration/int/and or cha. Gotta agree with you that a chanter leaving a guild cause they let a non int caster roll is insane.. clr, dru, shm, ARE alteration.

Edited, Sat Mar 30 04:27:39 2002
RE: Not best for enchanters
# Jun 06 2002 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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First, Clerics wear plate for a reason - they NEED the AC. They are meant to get aggro'd and need to stand long enough to lose that aggro. A Druid played well at a raid should almost never have aggro.

Second, Shamans have better AC because they are meant to melee at some point in their careers. Maybe not in the end-game, but no good shammie didn't level without melee.

Third, you are the second best Nuker in the game....you SHOULD drop in melle in 15 secs. Considering the int casters drop in half to a third of the time, you should be happy with the 15 seconds you do get (since you can actually outrun mobs with your own buffs on.)

Just an additional note: If this went to a druid, I would have serious doubts as to the sanity of the raid leader. I would rather it went to a monk.
RE: Not best for enchanters
# Apr 26 2002 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, with full knowledge of incoming flames, I think it is a #$%^in joke not more clerics are pipin up for this!
Hmmm we need Alteration for anything?
Hmmm we need AC for anything?

Of course of course this should go to chanters first, but barring that us Clerics should be all over it for the mod and ac.

Just to be like everyone else here is my list in order =)
Ench, Priest Classes, Bard/SK

oh and you can kiss my elven hiney if this goes to the fricken bard, 15% mod on alteratiuon is insanity for a mod and in no way should they be elligible for it, get your Cha somewhere else

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This item
# Feb 09 2002 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Took this guy down on Tallon Zek, being a bard myself I thought it was great but when we came to rolling on it (we had 2 chanters there) noone including myself even blinked when we decided chanters only on it.

Uber chanter item. Bards cant mez anything over 55 so whats the point of having uber charisma.
drops
# Jan 27 2002 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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drops of the Servitor of Luclin, also drops a 42/46 weapon with stats
Drops
# Jan 21 2002 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I got this last night, I must say, it is incredible.

I will not tell you exactly the mob that drops it. I will tell you however, that you need to obtain a key to get to him and that it took 3 groups of 55-60's and correct strategy to take this guy down. Its not a run of the mill spawn. It is a premium spawn. When we killed him last night, 1st try was failure, 2nd try we lost 2 people.

So either get to know folks well, or get your guild a cracking. This mob also droped a decent dagger, however I was so estactic after this droped, I couldnt tell you the stats on it.

With this, I have to reevaluate my gear, since it puts me well over 255 chr, and 231 Int. Guess its HP/AC time or Resist time!!

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WHAT DROPS IT????
# Jan 14 2002 at 12:22 AM Rating: Default
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Ok who care who should get it, roll for it, the question is WHO DROPS it? then fight over who gets it till then shut up already!
Clerics?!?! What? /killself
# Jan 10 2002 at 2:34 PM Rating: Default
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Who uses CHA most?
Enchanters

What is the largest CHA item IN THE ENTIRE GAME?!?!?
Mask of Pulchritude

Can enchanters benifit from 15int
**** yes!

Can enchanters benifit from 15% in Alteration
**** yes!

Can enchanters benifit from 20AC face item
**** yes!

Who should get it?
It's a no brainer.

Edited, Thu Jan 10 14:46:38 2002
RE: Clerics?!?! What? /killself
# Jan 14 2002 at 2:44 AM Rating: Default
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No, it's defnitly a warrior item, LOL. Oh, it has only 0.1. Well, then it's a monk item! Just kidding. Looks like realy a great item for chanter / bard. Or a pure int caster when no chanter / bard in the group.

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#Milkybrat, Posted: Jan 13 2002 at 10:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) who uses charisma?
RE: Clerics?!?! What? /killself
# Jan 14 2002 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Post from: Milkybrat



(who uses charisma?)
(hmmmm a chanter and a BARD)

Yes, bards can use CHA. Whoptie flip. There is a whole doublefu*kload more to this item than just AC and CHA. I mean using that logic is like saying; "I can fly two types of airplanes, therefore I can fly all types of airplanes". Ha ha haÖ doesnít make a lick of sense.

Let the person who knows how to fly this plane do it. ;-p



(who is more lickly to get beat on ,,,on a regular basis? hmmmmm the bard)

Yes, bards get hit. Again, Whoptie flip. Whenís the last time a group was struggling to keep the bard alive as apposed to the enchanter? From my experience the enchanters are the ones having the mobís agro on them a lot more than a bard. Notice how 6 out of the 11 new spells enchanters have deal with agro management; take a wild stab at why that is smarty.

(As if you didnít know) caster armor has very low AC. A fully self buffed 50+ enchanter with all the AC gear they can muster will be lucky to break 640AC. We have to wear cloth; bards have a **** of a lot more options when it comes to AC. Why be greedy and roll on this item when bards have other armor class alternatives less agro problems and enchanters donít?

Playing an enchanter is like being a 90-year-old woman dressed in glow in the dark neon green clothes while in the middle of World War 2 with a flare gun and lots of ammo.



(now I would not expect this to automatically go to me if drop, but I AM going to roll in it in a heartbeat)

Using that logic any enchanter would say the same thing to this item.

20AC
(Insert a stat that you can use and enchanters have no possibly of using): +15
Cha: +40
(Insert a value that you can use and enchanters have no possibly of using): +25
Skill Mod: (Insert a skill that you can use and enchanters have no possibly of using) +15%


Edited, Mon Jan 14 16:57:28 2002
RE: Clerics?!?! What? /killself
# Jan 17 2002 at 10:59 AM Rating: Default
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Actually, bard mana is INT-based, also. And contrary to popular belief, some of the songs DO use mana. Suffice it to say it's a great item for BOTH enchanters AND bards.
RE: Clerics?!?! What? /killself
# Jan 26 2002 at 9:39 PM Rating: Default
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wish i could lock the thread down.

item says all/all doesnt matter who uses what the most infact who uses cha the most.... well all classes do. have you ever wondered why many prefer a chanter to buy things ... cha is already the highest maybe? cha helps sell things for more if anyone should get dibs on it yes chanter but if raid leaders leave the item dropped open to all who "will use" then i say any int caster gets in on roll.

if it was meant to be chanter only then it would say ench only on it. leave it be on who can use and who cant. if an item says all/all then depending on whos running raid let all/all roll on it
RE: Clerics?!?! What? /killself
# Apr 15 2002 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
So far as I can tell, and have heard, merchant prices top out around 103-115 cha (I know, this is a wide range, but I've heard several different things) . If you really wanna use the argument that you need the cha on this item to buy stuff, fine, then the chanters out there need the str on high end all/all items that are considered melee only.
As a monk i can say that...
# Jan 10 2002 at 7:13 AM Rating: Default
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it's an Enchanter item, wow ! ;)

Noboby will contest that except maybe a Bard ;)
Great item for necros
# Jan 08 2002 at 1:52 PM Rating: Default
This is one of the best items I have seen that drops for a necromancer.
The ac is nice along with the int, but its the plus 15% to the alteration that makes it count. Most of the necro spells depend on this skill, I would certanily roll against a enchanter for it.
#Orocular, Posted: Jan 08 2002 at 12:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Now monks and even SHADOWKNIGHTS and Beastmasters are trying to get in on gear with an int caster in mind? I don't care how much it weighs, what the **** is a MONK going to use a +15 to alteration for? Duhhhhh... And, what does a Shadowknight want (in combat) with 40 charisma? Nothing. Like saying NOONE other than int casters should be getting this. And noone can argue the point that the bard should have a roll on it, when does a wizard get a roll on a white dragon scale for that GODLY 9 int 25 save cold back item? Never.
RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THIS
# Jan 09 2002 at 5:10 PM Rating: Default
What does a Wiz or mage want with 40 Cha in cmbat?

SK's ARE Int casters, and need 20 AC in a mask a heck of a lot more then a mage. All but on Taunt spell used by SK are Alt based as is our Lifetaps.

Enchanters, Bards and SKs should be the first ones that have a chance at this, with enc getting first dibs in NBG, realizing that you Tunnel Rats have no concept of team work or helping your groupmates.

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RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THIS
# Jan 17 2002 at 11:39 PM Rating: Decent
??? this is bard/ench all the way, then sk's/wizzys/mages/necros...Mages need to Malo---Wizards need to ROOT/SNARE...if you ask me, that is by far more important than you're silly lifetaps :p Necros snare and lifetap too..besides, you have better masks to get ;p
One last chanter rant
# Jan 07 2002 at 4:35 PM Rating: Default
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If I were on a guild raid and this item dropped, and was awarded to a non-caster, I would /guildremove that very second and gate out. And what's more, if the chanter(s) were not given preferencial treatment, I would greatly consider still leaving. Yes, 20ac is a nice ac item for any class, but hey tanks, by the time you get to fight in this zone you should already have somewhere OVER 1000ac. If the extra 12ac (at most) you get from this item outweighs the respect you have for your local chanter, you need a serious re-evaluation of your priorities.

20ac - For the chanters out there that have around 600-700 ac... BUFFED, 20 more makes all the difference in the world. Especially when you don't have to sacifice Int and Cha for it. (Good for all classes.)

15int - With the new cap in stats, we're all looking for all the int items we can get. (Good for all int casters.)

40cha - This speaks for itself. I mean come on, if you want some extra cha for a buy/sell, ask the chanter to cast their +cha spell on you. It'll give ya +40cha easy. (Technically good for all classes, but with an extreme predjudice toward charming classes.)

25mana - Again, all the mana you can get helps. (Good for all caster classes.)

15%alteration - This is a CHANTER'S DREAM. I'm sure it's other caster classes dreams as well, but when 95% of the spells you cast rely on alteration... (read Haste, Clarity, Charm, Faction Modifiers, Mem Blur... basically everything but Mez and Illusions, which you would rarely use on a raid) (Good for all Alteration classes, duh. ;-)

I mean come on. There are so few truly uber items out there for chanters, compared to other classes. It's nice to see one that is so obviously designed for us. Too bad Verant let this argument even happen, no way this item should be usable by All Classes, it's just gonna cause arguments started by all the tanks in the world that truly do not understand the life of a chanter and do not respect them for anything more than a haste machine.

Come on folks, how many times have you been on a raid, and the chanter says "I gotta go" and you beg them to stay, cuz without them the raid is over. And they stay, just to help you out, most of the time with very little reward other than a "thanks". Let the chanters have the gear that was so obviously designed for them.
RE: One last chanter rant
# Jan 16 2002 at 4:51 PM Rating: Good
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Amen...
#Thorwald, Posted: Jan 07 2002 at 11:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Enchanters only? Hardly. I would frankly give preference to Enchanters and Bards on this item, but the ac is just too good to pass up for ANY character. Here's my list of Character Preference if I had to make one:
Whoa!
# Dec 30 2001 at 1:39 AM Rating: Default
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Man o man, perusing the lists of new items and things get better and better! Enchanters (I have one) might like this. Hmm... lets see: 1)+40 CHA would help anyone cause of merchants -Imagine me a dwarf with 50 or so CHA, now I would be around 100 WOOT! Now my trade skill resell stuf got mucho better! 2) The Int wouldnt do me good ahh well, smarter dwarf maybe I can spell better. 3) the extra mana always good for any caster. 4) The 20 AC kicks ass! 5) 15% increase to Alteration Skill, hmmm... now that I can use as well as any caster that has alteration. imagine the critical heals? or those nasty DOT's? Yes, Enchanters would get first pick, there I agree, then the Cleric for the heals, then the other casters in no piticular order, basis and merit would determine who would get this GEM!
No posts by bards?
# Dec 29 2001 at 5:18 PM Rating: Default
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OK, if I was in a group with an enchanter, I would happily give them first shot at this, but after that I would fight any other intelligence caster for it. The only part of this mask that ISN'T good for bards is the alteration boost. The AC, INT, and CHA are all extremely useful for bards who do any charming/mezzing at all. Anyone who's tried to charm kite as a bard knows you burn up mana fast at 20pts a shot and having to re-cast it every 15 sec or so and of course every time you do have to re-cast, you get beat on. This is a fantastic bard item.
Nerf OTW
# Dec 28 2001 at 6:24 AM Rating: Default
Right as soon as we all find out what drops this baby it will be nerfed anyhow !! LOL!

Id give everything on my chanter for this sucker. But no use arguing over who needs it more until we can all get our grubby little hands on one. I can promise this. Ill be leading expididtions there for quite a while and if it drops ill post. Keep your fingers crossed.

Myrlena Devilicios 51st Enchantress
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RE: Nerf OTW
# Jan 07 2002 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Have you ever been to GE? We had a green con wipe us out, 2 well rounded groups of levels 58-60. This zone gave me nightmares.

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Enchanter
# Dec 26 2001 at 11:16 PM Rating: Good
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If you were in a group with an enchanter and took this over him/her you deserve to be shot IMHO.
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drop?
# Dec 26 2001 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
Does anyone know what this drops off of? I would love this item for the 20ac face slot..But I want to get guild together to get this for one of our chanters...They can use it more..well good hunting and safe journey to all.
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# Dec 25 2001 at 2:40 PM Rating: Default
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I am a war , but any tank that rolls on this over an enchanter is dumb, sure 20 ac is real nice on a mask, but 40 cha is alot better so should go to the chanter right away, if a mask had like 20 int and 40 str on it i would expect a caster to give to the war so same should be in reverse, like thers alot of 10-15 ac maskes that can be baught for under 5k, but any item with 40 cha on it would be quite a bit more, so dont be a lewt **** and give to your friendly neighbour hood chanter
SK
# Dec 25 2001 at 1:38 AM Rating: Default
Well if ya ask me this is an AMAZING item for Ogre / Troll SK's...20AC(good for any tank) the INT and MANA is what draws me to the troll and ogre SK's...just my opinion. But this mask is realy good for anyone. Ench's for the int mana and charisma(not the AC), tanks for the AC, pretty much all casters for the int or mana or 15% alter, so on and so on.If mean your on a raid in here and this drops EVERYONE should be rolling.

Vepier Soulstealer
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RE: SK
# Dec 28 2001 at 1:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is definitely an Enchanter item BECAUSE of the AC. After 45, every Enchanter should start investing in AC, since we're going to start getting the living **** kicked out of us.

It's just ridiculous to waste stats on an item by giving it to a class that isn't going to use all of them. 15 Int, 40 Cha. ****40 Charisma****, ****15 Int****. Sure, Int and Cha are easy to get to 200 (or higher, now that the cap has been raised), however, having 40 Cha concentrated on just one item will let you swap out a good handful of other gear.

Lemme give a small example. If I had this item, I would remove my Opalline Earrings, and throw in some BD Earrings for the resists. I would also get rid of my Golden Cat Eye bracers and put in some Golden Chitin Bracers (just for the Int). Now that I have so much Int comming out of my **** I'll get rid of my Stein of Moggok and get something else...

See the chain reaction? And I didn't even mention *good* items, those things I mentioned are just junk you can get pretty cheaply.

Just cuz a stat is easily raised doesn't mean that we won't benefit from such uber items that'll allow us more flexibility with the rest of our gear.
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RE: SK
# Dec 26 2001 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I hate negative posts, that being said; your an idiot

If a tank took this over me (60 Enchanter) I would
attack them on the spot. /cheer Rallos Zek server.

you said
"Ench's for the int mana and charisma(not the AC)"

Do me a favor, find ONE enchatner who doesnt want all the ac they can get..
This item was designed with enchanters in mind
40 Cha - obvious
15% alteration - 1/2 our spells are alt..do you like buffs?
20 ac - !
15 int and 25 mana are bonuses...(but im not complaining =)

Im not saying this is not a nice item for just about any class. Just that it clearly benefits an enchanter more then any other class.
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RE: SK
# Dec 26 2001 at 6:06 PM Rating: Default
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20 Ac is 12 AC points higher than every rogue I know personaly. I'd have to realy like the Chanter to give up loot rights to this mask. Like it or not just because it has Cha, and Int don't make it a chanter item anymore than all the .1 weight items should go to Monks...
RE: SK
# Mar 22 2002 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
7 posts
Remind me never to group with you.
RE: SK
# Dec 27 2001 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
errr ,i would kill anyone that would want to take this before the enchanter! he's the guy (or girl) that keeps the group alive. and besides that, the chanter will benefit from all stats a lot.
Chanter item all the way.
period!

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Halflings
# Dec 24 2001 at 1:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Give it to your halfling clerics and druids folks. Yes the int will go to waste, but 1) we can't carry much as we're not all that strong 2) we're ugly as sin, so we need that charisma, and 3) we're greedy little devils.
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