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Could a 76 mage with no SoD take him out?
I might be able to have a friend help but idk which one would so=/
If i could solo him itd be great but i doubt it.
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Blade of Carnage
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I was casually browsing through the bazaar, looking for an upgrade for my main, and a friend pointed out to me a BoC. I had a quick look in baz list, and lo and behold, i found one for 2.5k. I know that sounds unlikely, but its true. I snapped it up and gave it to my alt warrior - 3 at the time. I tore through mob after mob with that :) Very nice sword
Chars
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Portingya-80 Druid(main)
Ukke-76 Mage
Razasha-20 Beastlord (sisters toon)
Tazmahli - 59 Shaman
Bamalae-27 Warrior
Iinadyen-18 Ranger
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Portingya-80 Druid(main)
Ukke-76 Mage
Razasha-20 Beastlord (sisters toon)
Tazmahli - 59 Shaman
Bamalae-27 Warrior
Iinadyen-18 Ranger
2 posts
I have bought this wep on Stromm for 60k call it a lucky day i guess but oh well i have kinda out grew it with my 68 warrior so i use it sometimes.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Level_75 Class_Shadowknight Race_Gnome Guild_<Black Dragon Legion>
Sir Salibus of Stromm
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Sir Salibus of Stromm
I have heard rumors that the next round of fabled mobs will come from Velious zones. I can only imagine what a Fabled Blade of Carnage might look like....
11 posts
I see. Well, I look forward to getting that fabled on my pally, but can you imagine how crowd'd it'd be to even see the mob? It'll be insane. Btw, nice Cleric, Xaanru.
DaDave
11 posts
be a long time before that ever becomes Fable'd.
DaDave
They already did fabled AoW, he dropped the ring, not the sword. Next up is fabled Luclin.
18 posts
I really think Allas needs to update the AoW here, since GoD, OoW, DoN, all the old world mobs have become like a joke anymore. MPG or RS is more of a challenge than this guy is.
Telinya Darkheart
70 Prelate, Drinal
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70 Prelate, Drinal
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*Dark Priestess of Drinal*
8 posts
On behalf of the entire Drinal server, I would just like to apologize for so-and-so's cockiness, and just overall terrible attitude. Sorry we're not all 1337 and teh uber like you. Feel free to go solo the AoW with one hand tied behind your back now.
Laeliya - 46th season ranger - Drinal Server
- "May Tunare bless and keep the...jerkwad."
Laeliya - 46th season ranger - Drinal Server
- "May Tunare bless and keep the...jerkwad."
Illenchantu + Gorlace = one happy marriage and a buttload of buffs.
8 posts
Sorry for the multiple posts. IE glitched up on me.
Edited, Sun Oct 23 03:22:13 2005
Edited, Sun Oct 23 03:22:13 2005
Illenchantu + Gorlace = one happy marriage and a buttload of buffs.
8 posts
Edited, Sun Oct 23 03:21:05 2005
Illenchantu + Gorlace = one happy marriage and a buttload of buffs.
Scholar
19 posts
What exactly is your point? The only reference Allak even makes on this page to the guy that drops it is that it's a raid mob - are you suggesting they drop the raid mob status of AOW?
I'm sure he'll be asking them to do the same for Quarm in another 3 years and 6 expansions.
6 posts
got this beast for my 54 warrior, that and a Copper hammer of striking that i will b etting rid of soon, both BoC and CHoS proc atleast 2 times per mob ......havent lost agrro yet. PS dex str sta and agility are at 305
17 posts
If you are a 54 Warrior how do you have 305 Dex, Str, Sta, and Agility?
10 posts
prolly with buffs.. lmfao
#Victorian,
Posted: Jan 21 2005 at 6:03 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i should get one of these
32 posts
Always use the BoC over Sotbs cause u will still do more dmg. Im usein BoC and Split-Blade of Destruction and the BoC procs a lot if its in ur Primary hand.
10 posts
I've finally aquired a BoC, i've worshipped them when they came out but because of work i can never dedicate to EQ. Well i finally have one and am discouraged by the proc rate it dishes when used with SotBS i can see 5 kills go w/o 1 proc, where as SotBS in primary and Frostbringer in sec. i sometimes looks like a fireworks display gone out of control per kill logic tells me to stick with that combo if i want to say HEY Mr. Mob forget me NOT *BOOM*, but i desire to use the BoC. Well i also have a Scepter of Destruction, and with it in the Primary BoC procs more now like it senses the SoD and responds accordingly. There's only 1 dly diff. in the SoD vs. SotBS but at times i'd like to use the SotBS for it's saves it has but not so if the BoC will not respond, what's factors in weapons deciding when to proc when combo'd with another weapon, on my DEX side with potions and food i can hit 245.
weapon affinity 5 (WA 5): 50% more procs. with 255 dex you get about 2 proc main hand and 1 proc off hand a minute (higher dex has no more effect on proc). with WA 5 you get 3 procs main hand, 1.5 proc secondary per minute. with extra aug in each weapon 6 procs main hand 3 proc secondary.
thats 9 procs per minute (about 6.66 seconds between procs, forgiving the randomness of it)
thats 9 procs per minute (about 6.66 seconds between procs, forgiving the randomness of it)
try throwing a secondary proc on there. i'm assuming your a warrior, or you wouldnt want this to proc, if thats the case, put an anger3 on it. 700/600 agro procs. my cord hilted spike driver procced like crap until i threw an a3 on it, now its wonderful.
32 posts
We did him for almost 2 months straight about a year ago and if u have the right people he will be easy to kill. As many of u may know he despawnes if u dont kill him fast enough so u need to be quick (little riim for mistakes). i main tanked him and he hit me first with a Quad(4) from between 890-1140 and a quick double after that. He attackes crazy fast and has a lot of hit points. Ur gonna need 2 seperate pools the big one on the AoW and the smaller one on the adds (and there will be a handfull or more) ull need a few max lvl clerics maybe 4-5 or so for each main tank and off tank fighting him and patch healers for the add tanks. You will need hella DPS and if i remember correctly he cannot be slowed or rooted fo clerics be fast. Again he will d-spawn if u dont kill him, i dont recall the time on d-spawn but if u engadge fast and fight fight fight u will kill him fast.
#Kepness,
Posted: Aug 27 2004 at 7:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) give me some raid info please? how many hp's, how much does he hit for, etc. Need the info, tired of posts drooling...
2 posts
Do a google search moron, this raid is almost 4 years old.
#hairyc,
Posted: Aug 14 2004 at 12:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i wanted to know if i can do thid with 3 groups how much time will it take to kill an estimate with 3 groups and how much hp does this guy have about?? and how hard does he hit
11 posts
28 posts
You all talk about Anger 3 but where can we get it? I'm assuming its a ldon thing. How much is it n stuff?
Forius
Teir'Dal Warrior of Rallos Zek
Fennin Ro
Teir'Dal Warrior of Rallos Zek
Fennin Ro
28 posts
Btw I think you people are crazy and greedy. Went in the bazaar last night, saw someone say, now selling Blade of Carnage, look me up in trader, so me being a little curiose monkey, looked him up and saw, Blade of Carnage 500000p. Half a million plat? wtf, even if I had that much I'd just buy a bunch of armor instead, I hear this is easy to get for lvl 65ers. But I guess most people who buy it are those getting it for thier twinks anyways. But again if I was lvl 65 I'd just go raid for it, would never spend that much money one one weapon no matter how good it is.
Forius
Teir'Dal Warrior of Rallos Zek
Fennin Ro
Teir'Dal Warrior of Rallos Zek
Fennin Ro
27 posts
if you were all 65+...why would you want to raid for BoC for an agro weap when you could just go raid xtc or the cursed for Hategiver or Bloodfrenzy
cos as a warrior on that raid it would be your job to tank. To tank you need to be able to keep aggro. As a warrior to keep aggro you need good weapons and to get those weapons you listed you need to be in the raid.
hence why a 65+ twink might want a boc.
hence why a 65+ twink might want a boc.
Thats only because you don't HAVE that much money. When someone has 6 or 8 million plat, 300-500kpp for a weapon isn't so big a deal, when they are making their twinks.
Hardly easy to get, even for 65's.
AoW may be trival, but he's still a pain in the ass if he gets a few good rounds in. :P
AoW may be trival, but he's still a pain in the ass if he gets a few good rounds in. :P
One of the main reasons a lot of items go for such an outrageous price is the rarity of the item. Is this the greatest item in the game, or the greatest droppable in the game? Depends on your perspective and the needs of certain stats o the toon ... but for the most part this is not the best (admittedly on a dream list for me, but still not the best).
If this dropped commonly off of level 60 common mobs in BoT, the price would maybe be a quarter of what it is. Some people just like to carry the most rare pieces.
i.e. Rotting Eye Mask is not the greatest, and even though Allakhazam has it as being a common drop it really is not. I sold mine for 22k and kick myself because I had not even meant to sell it,but I could have easily gotten 30k+ for it...
If this dropped commonly off of level 60 common mobs in BoT, the price would maybe be a quarter of what it is. Some people just like to carry the most rare pieces.
i.e. Rotting Eye Mask is not the greatest, and even though Allakhazam has it as being a common drop it really is not. I sold mine for 22k and kick myself because I had not even meant to sell it,but I could have easily gotten 30k+ for it...
Miegsdebil - Headshotting Man-Cow on Mug'Thol
Miegre Nature'Dancer - Retired Forest Scion of The Tribunal (Ayonae Ro), and EQ.
Lidium - Former Meat Shield of 68 seasons on The Tribunal (Ayonae Ro), and EQ.
Miegre Nature'Dancer - Retired Forest Scion of The Tribunal (Ayonae Ro), and EQ.
Lidium - Former Meat Shield of 68 seasons on The Tribunal (Ayonae Ro), and EQ.
Summary:
On dual proc weapons. Secondary never goes off unless primary proc doesn't. When primary fails, secondary gets a chance to activate.(Thus, you never see BOTH effects on the SAME swing, and the second effect occurs slightly less often than the first.) Procs are on a 'timer' and have a reuse time before it can activate again. The Blade of Carnage is known to proc frequently.
Anger procs are INSTANT effects, and do stack. -But not if they go off TOO CLOSELY together. (which is rare, so it is GOOD to have dual anger on an item.)
Anger II = 400 anger, Anger III = 600.
As far as stealing aggro, I hold to the theory that mobs seem to recognize new threats that are being most deadly. -If you're a caster that has been taking aggro, take the sage advice and slow it down a bit.
Also - for agro management, try finding an item that has a clicky DETRIMENTAL effect. Click, reclick, click, click, click... If such an item isn't a weapon, then you're stacking an extra layer of aggro. Hotkey the clicky item so it can be activated by a number key. You DID do this with taunt as well, right? (Many Warriors don't, because they don't play casters and don't use hotkeys.)
Did you also make taunt into a repeating hotkeyed macro? Many melee classes don't know this can be done.
<example of command syntax>
/doability4
/pause 100
/doability4
/pause 100
/doability4
As far as those people that are aways saying, "Dude, you can just put an aggro proc on a different weapon man... save a lot of money." - Would you WANT to wield a different weapon? The BOC stats are rather outstanding and hard to beat. Also... How many weapons have a primary effect of causing hate, that you can add an extra hate aug to? - There ya go. There's no comparison.
Through this whole postboard, there is one general consensus. And that is that this weapon effeciently causes hate. But I'd like to bring attention to the stats. Scroll back up. That's +15 to all the combat stats, it's 100HP. and the swing speed is 20. 15/20 is Good for a 1HS. WITHOUT the anger proc, this weapon is still worth A LOT of plat. I think that ends the argument about it being overvalued. It's a weapon that is also an incredible hate tool that has a place in any warrior's arsenal.
For those that have studied swingspeed, 10 delay is once per second, and EQ won't let you go faster than that. (reason why mosscovered twig didn't react to haste.) So you got 1 swing per two seconds. High ENC haste will take a BoC to about 13 delay. I don't want to start a flamewar about swingspeed, because everybody argues about it. Just making the point that this weapon is also pretty fast, and once hasted, is comprable with any other 1HS, even if it has lower delay.
Covering every angle, this weapon is one of a kind.
I'll end my post with one word:
Uber.
Edited, Sat Jun 12 19:59:29 2004
On dual proc weapons. Secondary never goes off unless primary proc doesn't. When primary fails, secondary gets a chance to activate.(Thus, you never see BOTH effects on the SAME swing, and the second effect occurs slightly less often than the first.) Procs are on a 'timer' and have a reuse time before it can activate again. The Blade of Carnage is known to proc frequently.
Anger procs are INSTANT effects, and do stack. -But not if they go off TOO CLOSELY together. (which is rare, so it is GOOD to have dual anger on an item.)
Anger II = 400 anger, Anger III = 600.
As far as stealing aggro, I hold to the theory that mobs seem to recognize new threats that are being most deadly. -If you're a caster that has been taking aggro, take the sage advice and slow it down a bit.
Also - for agro management, try finding an item that has a clicky DETRIMENTAL effect. Click, reclick, click, click, click... If such an item isn't a weapon, then you're stacking an extra layer of aggro. Hotkey the clicky item so it can be activated by a number key. You DID do this with taunt as well, right? (Many Warriors don't, because they don't play casters and don't use hotkeys.)
Did you also make taunt into a repeating hotkeyed macro? Many melee classes don't know this can be done.
<example of command syntax>
/doability4
/pause 100
/doability4
/pause 100
/doability4
As far as those people that are aways saying, "Dude, you can just put an aggro proc on a different weapon man... save a lot of money." - Would you WANT to wield a different weapon? The BOC stats are rather outstanding and hard to beat. Also... How many weapons have a primary effect of causing hate, that you can add an extra hate aug to? - There ya go. There's no comparison.
Through this whole postboard, there is one general consensus. And that is that this weapon effeciently causes hate. But I'd like to bring attention to the stats. Scroll back up. That's +15 to all the combat stats, it's 100HP. and the swing speed is 20. 15/20 is Good for a 1HS. WITHOUT the anger proc, this weapon is still worth A LOT of plat. I think that ends the argument about it being overvalued. It's a weapon that is also an incredible hate tool that has a place in any warrior's arsenal.
For those that have studied swingspeed, 10 delay is once per second, and EQ won't let you go faster than that. (reason why mosscovered twig didn't react to haste.) So you got 1 swing per two seconds. High ENC haste will take a BoC to about 13 delay. I don't want to start a flamewar about swingspeed, because everybody argues about it. Just making the point that this weapon is also pretty fast, and once hasted, is comprable with any other 1HS, even if it has lower delay.
Covering every angle, this weapon is one of a kind.
I'll end my post with one word:
Uber.
Edited, Sat Jun 12 19:59:29 2004
#SmougCazThu,
Posted: May 11 2004 at 2:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Looking at this stuff makes me feel weak. I am a 65 beastlord and would like to make some serious plat? whats some great ways for a 65 beastlord to make Plat.
After using one of these, and using a cord hilted spike driver, I have to say I prefer the driver mainhand. It proc one hell of a lot more.
Also I have been dragging agro off of a warrior with one of these and a GBOS using a twisted steel bastard sword and anger 3 aug....without taunting.
Depending on the weapon, gimme 2hs in most zones =)
Also I have been dragging agro off of a warrior with one of these and a GBOS using a twisted steel bastard sword and anger 3 aug....without taunting.
Depending on the weapon, gimme 2hs in most zones =)
13 posts
Well, your not being tanker friendly to your warrior or your clerics. or anyone else in your group/raid. If you are not the designated MT, then why are you using weopons that proc a hate? You admit you have a weapon that has anger 3, that means that weapon in your arsenal is to take taunt. No matter what you might think, you are WRONG for equiping this item and then wondering why the MT is losing agro. You did right by stating "depending on the weopon, gimme 2hs in most zones =)" as that is what you should be doing if your not the MT...the only damage you should be taking is rampage or other AOE style damage. Any direct damage from the mob you take, and you are not doing your job.
7 posts
Saying anger does not stack is totally wrong..
I am a 65 War on Mithaniel Marr with BoC:Anger3 in Primary and SobS:Anger3 in secondary slot.. Anger aug effect does stack, They can not proc in same combat round, But NO YOU WILL NOT get a message saying that your spell could not take hold or whatever... You get messages more like " A Vann Militis face contort's with rage " I have seen it multiple times in just a few seconds so according to the proc per minute allowance determined by your Dex, Haste, Weapon skill, weapon Delay, and your AA abillities such as Weapon Affinity from GoD, and Ambidextrious; It can not be just the Enraging Blow and/or Anger3 Aug on Primary but has to be the Anger3 proc on the secondary going off as well. Try parsing your log files and taking a look at them sometime when using an anger3 aug on primary and secondary if you happen to have a BoC. That ought to prove my point beyond any reasonable or unreasonable doubt..
( Oh and as far as I know The proc is still working for lower lvls, lvl 40war in guild Total twink case has one and still proc's just fine for him ) /shrug
Edited, Tue Mar 30 19:23:38 2004
I am a 65 War on Mithaniel Marr with BoC:Anger3 in Primary and SobS:Anger3 in secondary slot.. Anger aug effect does stack, They can not proc in same combat round, But NO YOU WILL NOT get a message saying that your spell could not take hold or whatever... You get messages more like " A Vann Militis face contort's with rage " I have seen it multiple times in just a few seconds so according to the proc per minute allowance determined by your Dex, Haste, Weapon skill, weapon Delay, and your AA abillities such as Weapon Affinity from GoD, and Ambidextrious; It can not be just the Enraging Blow and/or Anger3 Aug on Primary but has to be the Anger3 proc on the secondary going off as well. Try parsing your log files and taking a look at them sometime when using an anger3 aug on primary and secondary if you happen to have a BoC. That ought to prove my point beyond any reasonable or unreasonable doubt..
( Oh and as far as I know The proc is still working for lower lvls, lvl 40war in guild Total twink case has one and still proc's just fine for him ) /shrug
Edited, Tue Mar 30 19:23:38 2004
what he meant was, they will not proc at the same time if you have the aug on the BoC. In other words: EB and Anger3 will not proc on top of each other(same round) due to it being on the same weapon requiring the check. Having Anger3 on your off hand, however, will not be effected and requires a different check then having 2 effects on the same weapon. So you are right, but so is Walgurorf.
Edited, Sun Apr 18 15:54:22 2004
Edited, Sun Apr 18 15:54:22 2004
1 post
Hi I got Boc for Twink =p Warrior is lvl 21 and BOC "DOES NOT PROC" Says ur Insufficent lvl " Blah blah....so yet again they nerfed it without sayin anything....anyone know when it procs NOW?
Thanks
Thanks
Procs just fine at 55. Really don't need the proc at 21 anyway. the damage this does should be plenty of aggro at that level.
Procs at 45. . . that is the new required level
34 posts
I cant believe that your complaining that a level 21 can't get this to proc. SHEES I think its obsene that a 21 can actually wield the thing. Count yourself lucky! More money than sense springs to mind.
Chenzeme, the Silent Ranger
The day will come so that people can't twink thier lvl 1 characters with a BoC. I think they should put a required lvl of 40 or 45 on it.
People used to say the same thing about centi Longswords. More likely, the day will come when level ones without BoC, are considered underequipped.
I've already seen a level 10 SK in the bazaar, looking to upgrade his MoSS. I remember when level 45 SKs were wanting to upgrade TO a MoSS.
I've already seen a level 10 SK in the bazaar, looking to upgrade his MoSS. I remember when level 45 SKs were wanting to upgrade TO a MoSS.
18 posts
i have a 65 warrior when he was in his 40s i had one of these but i gave it to friend he loves it is a nice weapon especially if alot of casters in group
Marshall anemic bloodlust 65 overlord of agnostic
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Vallon Zek
Marshall anemic bloodlust 65 overlord of agnostic
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Vallon Zek
21 posts
I realize I'm responding to an old post, but..#1 where is your punctuation? And #2 I'm glad your friend likes it, but why would anyone here care? I post this because I'm tired of seeing good, informational posts get rated to extinction while useless garbage like you are spouting remain.
hmm, seems to me someone was not hugged as a child. now unless i am mistaken, the guy was making a post about something he wanted to make a post about. since when was that illegal?
I AM ZWAN
ZWAN IS THE GREATEST
BOW TO ZWAN
ZWAN IS THE GREATEST
BOW TO ZWAN
15 posts
OK this is the deal with the EB proc on the BoC and the Anger range of aggro aug's from LDoN.
1/ No it is not a waste putting anger aug on a BoC
2/ No they don't stack
What I mean by that is on each attack round the system will check if the 1st proc takes effect, now if it does thats it, nothing more will happen untill the next attack round. If however it doesn't proc, it will then check if the 2nd effect takes place (in this case the Anger aug). Therefore the Anger aug will only proc if the Enraging Blow effect doesn't (this is true for all weapons with 2 (Combat) effects, whether it's aggro, DD, slow or whatever).
Effectively adding an Anger aug will at least double the chance of an aggro effect taking place, I say at least double because in my own experience the Anger 3 aug procs more often then the original BoC proc.
1/ No it is not a waste putting anger aug on a BoC
2/ No they don't stack
What I mean by that is on each attack round the system will check if the 1st proc takes effect, now if it does thats it, nothing more will happen untill the next attack round. If however it doesn't proc, it will then check if the 2nd effect takes place (in this case the Anger aug). Therefore the Anger aug will only proc if the Enraging Blow effect doesn't (this is true for all weapons with 2 (Combat) effects, whether it's aggro, DD, slow or whatever).
Effectively adding an Anger aug will at least double the chance of an aggro effect taking place, I say at least double because in my own experience the Anger 3 aug procs more often then the original BoC proc.
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That's not true, I have had up to three procs go off simultaneously, all from same weapon. Now whether or not this is true for anger generating procs.. I can't say for sure, but I don't see why it would be any different. The proc check is on a per-proc basis, they all operate independantly from eachother.
Arranor Mistwalker
65 Hunter of Tunare
Aedien Windwalker
52 Druid of Tunare
Mendakon Loremaster
61 Enchanter
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65 Hunter of Tunare
Aedien Windwalker
52 Druid of Tunare
Mendakon Loremaster
61 Enchanter
Xegony Server
Old news for a year old post... here's what they don't mention... dual weild, double attack and flurry.... Everything checks off your first swing with primary hand so if you get a successfull double attack and a flurry with htat swing your primary hand strikes 4 times. Thats 4 chances for procs and 4 chances for crits and 4 chances for a crit proc if you have the right AA's. It might seem like 3 effects went off at once but its probably one hell of a round setting everything off at once.
I love when I get dual weild double attack and flurry to land all at once and see all 4 of my procs go off with a couple crit procs and crit hits in the mess as well... makes me proud to be a warrior when that SK just landed one 2 blows in the same time.
I love when I get dual weild double attack and flurry to land all at once and see all 4 of my procs go off with a couple crit procs and crit hits in the mess as well... makes me proud to be a warrior when that SK just landed one 2 blows in the same time.
Roglol Rustyacks of Karana
My-Teeist Oger Warrir
My-Teeist Oger Warrir
23 posts
What level does BoC proc at?
~~"The past determines our fate, but how we respond to our fate determines our destiny." -Tsalude Gesundheit, 65 Halfling Druid, Veeshan, 11/17/02
#juggalojuggalo,
Posted: Feb 10 2004 at 2:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) FYI Anger does not stack, so anger 3 aug'ing would be a waste, anger will say "the spell did not take hold" , only good thing would be anger 3 proc'n 1st to get agro quicker.
14 posts
Anger procs are not DoTs. What you are saying is will a "Permafrost" DD stack with a "Ice Bolt" DD, the question is meaningless.
You can have two procs on a single weapon. They will never both proc on the same swing. They will behave independently of one another.
With regard to procs, extensive log parsing experiments have demonstrated that procs happen at an average rate of 2 per minute primary, and .8 per minute secondary.
305 Dex has only minor improvement over 100 Dex.
All things that proc, do so at the same frequency as all other things that proc.
There is now an AA that will improve proc rate, but anything you think improves your proc rate now is simply a statistical fluke or wishful thinking.
You can have two procs on a single weapon. They will never both proc on the same swing. They will behave independently of one another.
With regard to procs, extensive log parsing experiments have demonstrated that procs happen at an average rate of 2 per minute primary, and .8 per minute secondary.
305 Dex has only minor improvement over 100 Dex.
All things that proc, do so at the same frequency as all other things that proc.
There is now an AA that will improve proc rate, but anything you think improves your proc rate now is simply a statistical fluke or wishful thinking.
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If you are talking about Anger 3 in relation to both Enraging Blow or GBoS stun/DD proc then you are wrong. None of these 3 last any longer than 'instant' duration and their effect is done once it hits the mob..there is no need for them to 'stack'. The only way they would interfere with each oither would be if one of them was fixed on the mob like a DoT...but that's not the case.
Anger 3 will proc in addition to BoC and GBoS regular proc's. This combination of weapons can dish out an amazing amount of aggro for the character using them. I would recommend augmenting them both with Anger 3.
Anger 3 will proc in addition to BoC and GBoS regular proc's. This combination of weapons can dish out an amazing amount of aggro for the character using them. I would recommend augmenting them both with Anger 3.
Woodelf Overlord of Pactum
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put anger 3 on a GBOS and primary hand that weapon. Use your BoC in your offhand. That is THE best agro combo pre hategiver/bloodfrenzy stuff. 7oo hate on boc proc and 600 hate on GBoS plus a 172 dd proc. along with 14/18 ratio and 15/20 ratio respectively, this combo is outstanding for agro and agro control.
macalpin (65 Overlord)Legion of the Dead
macalpin (65 Overlord)Legion of the Dead
I did Anger II on BOC and my offhand is Cord Hilted Spike Driver and agro is nuts.
I would really recommend just doing AngerII (why overkill with AngerIII)
AngerII = 400 hate for 510 LDON points
AngerIII = 600 hate for 1150 LDON points.
Not worth all the adventures for that extra 200 hate on proc (not in my book anyway). You could have bought two AngerII procs for both weapons.
I would really recommend just doing AngerII (why overkill with AngerIII)
AngerII = 400 hate for 510 LDON points
AngerIII = 600 hate for 1150 LDON points.
Not worth all the adventures for that extra 200 hate on proc (not in my book anyway). You could have bought two AngerII procs for both weapons.
Heh, overkill...there is no such thing friend...the better your aggro, the better your casters can blast the mobs a$$ into the ground.
As for the hategiver...those are even more rare then a BF...Anyone rocking a Hategiver spent mega amounts of time in SSRA...
As for the whole "Not worth all the adventures for that extra 200 hate on proc (not in my book anyway). You could have bought two AngerII procs for both weapons."
Thats not even the point, you want the best, you pay for the best. It takes time yes, but to be the best you have to work for the best.
as for the snap aggro figures, that 400 hate might not be good enough if aggro is drawn onto a caster, it will have to proc 3 times just to = 2 procs of a anger 3 aug.
Figure in the length of battle. We'll set the procs at the same amount, we'll say 10 procs for both to keep numbers even.
Thats 4000 hate + compared to a
6000 hate raise...theres a huge difference. It adds up quickly. There sierously is no such thing as overkill. For a tank you want that mob as pissed as its gonna get. Nothing is worth letting aggro slip on a raid, an kill 1 or 2 clerics...sometimes that can cost the whole raid force...an that will have many pissed of people...considering the length an effort it takes to do some of these mobs... (Bertox is a 2 hour long event same for RZtW)
As for the hategiver...those are even more rare then a BF...Anyone rocking a Hategiver spent mega amounts of time in SSRA...
As for the whole "Not worth all the adventures for that extra 200 hate on proc (not in my book anyway). You could have bought two AngerII procs for both weapons."
Thats not even the point, you want the best, you pay for the best. It takes time yes, but to be the best you have to work for the best.
as for the snap aggro figures, that 400 hate might not be good enough if aggro is drawn onto a caster, it will have to proc 3 times just to = 2 procs of a anger 3 aug.
Figure in the length of battle. We'll set the procs at the same amount, we'll say 10 procs for both to keep numbers even.
Thats 4000 hate + compared to a
6000 hate raise...theres a huge difference. It adds up quickly. There sierously is no such thing as overkill. For a tank you want that mob as pissed as its gonna get. Nothing is worth letting aggro slip on a raid, an kill 1 or 2 clerics...sometimes that can cost the whole raid force...an that will have many pissed of people...considering the length an effort it takes to do some of these mobs... (Bertox is a 2 hour long event same for RZtW)
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Anyone notice that with the new patch that included the new discs and abilites for melees, that the BoC's proc rate is higher now? it seems to proc a lot more now than it did before the patch.
Marshall Jradak Froggystyle
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No 2 procs "stack". When adding a proc augment to the weapon they are seperate procs. They may go off together, but they don't stack.
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Can anyone confirm from personal experience that an ldon proc augment stacks with the weapons current proc? Or would it be better to put proc on Shortblade of Lightning or something?
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Heh, well i said i'd report back to ya'll once i got my miragul points. took forever (ran into a bad streak of crap groups) but i finally got my anger 3 aug. All i gotta say is . . . holy mother of god . . . I have like 270 something dex unbuffed. this bad boy procs AVERAGE 11 times per fight against ldon/BoT type mobs. Since augging it, i havent had the need to touch the taunt button. I now have this and GBoS in offhand (nice aggro too, especially w/ ingenuity 3) but, seriously . . . i advise all warriors w/ BoC to bust their butts for this aug, because in combo w/ a BoC, or any EB weapon for that matter, it is truly a thing of beauty. The best part is . . . THE AUG ISNT LORE! WOOOHOOO!!!. now i just need a bloodfrenzy . . .
~Suurge Drackenfyre, 65 Overlord of Epic Adventurers, Fennin Ro~
Edited, Tue Nov 18 18:19:10 2003
~Suurge Drackenfyre, 65 Overlord of Epic Adventurers, Fennin Ro~
Edited, Tue Nov 18 18:19:10 2003
70 Vanquisher of Epic Adventurers, Fennin Ro.
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Looking to buy one of these on the Quellious server. Send me a tell in game if you have one for sale. paying well and paying pp.
Tumdaen
Edited, Sat Nov 22 23:18:53 2003
Tumdaen
Edited, Sat Nov 22 23:18:53 2003
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I have had my BoC for maybe a month and a half now on fennin ro. I'm an ogre warrior (65) with like 200 dex unbuffed. Now I use Boc in main hand and GBoS (greatblade of storms) in offhand. Even w/ NDT (nights dark terror) when im at 280 dex, i find that the BoC procs in streaks. One fight it may go off as many as 9 times (my personal highest on regular xp mob (non named etc)) and other times it may not go off at all for one or 2 fights against the same type of mob in a row. Meanwhile, my GBOS in offhand goes off very regularly. Anyone else notice this w/ there BoC? that its kinda streaky? I still love it. Most expensive item in the game, and so leet. Only wish it had a different graphic O_o go go lammy! Additionally, im almost at 1150 points in miraguls and im gonna put the anger 3 aug in it. will post again as soon as i have done so to lwet ya'll know how it works out. should be pretty sweet though. Anyway, you warriors out there, lemme know if you've noticed this about Boc. I'm interested in what you say. Happy hunting!
~Suurge Drackenfyre: 65 Overlord of Epic Adventurers, Fennin Ro~
Edited, Thu Oct 9 20:29:22 2003
~Suurge Drackenfyre: 65 Overlord of Epic Adventurers, Fennin Ro~
Edited, Thu Oct 9 20:29:22 2003
70 Vanquisher of Epic Adventurers, Fennin Ro.
I agree that the BOC can be a bit streaky. That being said, 90 percent of fights it procs well. The problem is that critical beginning of fight where it sometimes takes up to a minute to proc (way to long sometimes and certainly going to lose agro on slow if it hasn't)
Once that critical first minute has passed, the BOC proc rate at least assures that you will maintain agro from those pesky overnuking wizards and uber rogues.
Once that critical first minute has passed, the BOC proc rate at least assures that you will maintain agro from those pesky overnuking wizards and uber rogues.
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I bought a BoC about 6 months ago and it proc'd all the time; you could count on it procing 4+ times a fight. I noticed about a month ago that it doesnt proc half as much. I was told that they were nerfed 8(. I kept it for awhile and ended up selling it, and really have not missed it that much.
Well, I am a 65 warrior currently wielding Copper Hammer of Striking / Sword of the Bloodsworn. I've been after Blade of Carnage for a LONG time and am planning on getting it very soon. This has been a concern for me...I have heard a lot of people complain about the proc rate on BoC. Maybe because it's droppable they toned it down some, can't really be sure. All I know is I'm not getting any of the no drop enraging blow weapons any time soon so BoC is the next logical step. Anger III augment should help. Also, many people say that Hategiver/Bloodfrenzy has more of a normal consistant proc rate like you'd expect from a weapon at this stage in the game. I hope to be dual wielding your combo in about 2 weeks if all goes well, and I will report if I come to a similar conclusion. Mind you all of previous said information is drawn from speaking to other people with experience in the matter, however, it's hard to form any definite proof ( or I'm just too lazy ).
I agree with Waardar that it would be a good idea to put in some quality time in SSRA. Look on the bright side: if you decide to dump BoC you will have a fat bank account for a good long time =)
I agree with Waardar that it would be a good idea to put in some quality time in SSRA. Look on the bright side: if you decide to dump BoC you will have a fat bank account for a good long time =)
Ulic - Overlord of Rallos Zek
Torvonnilous
Torvonnilous
I've had my BoC for 4 days now and so far I am very satisfied with it. The wizzy I regularly played with commented on how nice it was for her. I used to be able to taunt aggro back fine but now I seem to be able to build up my aggro so I don't have to use that taunt button as much. Not losing aggro is better than snapping it back in my opinion. I plan on augmenting my BoC with anger 3 and I will report back after I have tested it. Good luck warriors.
Ulic - Overlord of Rallos Zek
Torvonnilous
Torvonnilous
I've played my cleric for two warriors parsing taunt without Haste items using a few different weapons, and we found that the Greatblade of Storms pretty much out aggrod damn near every other weapon there. Not sure if it's the Proc Frequency or the ratio, but either way, it's just sick for aggro.
Alot of people with the BoC complain about it's proc frequency even at 300ish dex. IMO it's probably a good idea to Main hand the GBoS and just hope the BoC decides to help you out every now and then, then again, neither of the warriors in said contest had a BoC atm, weapons used were: Greatstaff of Thunder, GBoS, different combinations of epic, Copper Hammer of Striking, Sword of the Bloodsworn, that Furious Bash IV shield that's name excapes me atm, Cord Hilted Spike Driver.
The Cord Hilted and the shield came out with the Hammer a bit ahead, but the GBoS coupled with Cord Hilted owned all.
Dunno if this helps any, but with the new weapons coming out of BoT and the augs you can add to other weapons, i'm thinkin this BoC is soon becoming a mostly "ok" item for tanks due to the low proc rate. My advice is put in some quality time in SSRA and get yourself a Hategiver or a Bloodfrenzy. Both blow everything we've talked about so far away imo.
Alot of people with the BoC complain about it's proc frequency even at 300ish dex. IMO it's probably a good idea to Main hand the GBoS and just hope the BoC decides to help you out every now and then, then again, neither of the warriors in said contest had a BoC atm, weapons used were: Greatstaff of Thunder, GBoS, different combinations of epic, Copper Hammer of Striking, Sword of the Bloodsworn, that Furious Bash IV shield that's name excapes me atm, Cord Hilted Spike Driver.
The Cord Hilted and the shield came out with the Hammer a bit ahead, but the GBoS coupled with Cord Hilted owned all.
Dunno if this helps any, but with the new weapons coming out of BoT and the augs you can add to other weapons, i'm thinkin this BoC is soon becoming a mostly "ok" item for tanks due to the low proc rate. My advice is put in some quality time in SSRA and get yourself a Hategiver or a Bloodfrenzy. Both blow everything we've talked about so far away imo.
[70 Vanquisher] Waardar (Barbarian)
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I have the BOC, Cord Hilted Spike Driver and the Greatblade of Storms (and the Furious Bash and the Greastaff of Thunder)
By far the best agro combination is BOC in main and Cord Hilted off hand. If have tried all the combinations and I seem to get the best results with tha package. The Greatblade of Storms is really nice but I don't think the proc is more then half the agro of one EB proc. So even though it seems to proc more (but not twice as much) the BOC still owns it.
The Furious bash shield is the worst of that bunch. I have lost agro at end of fight swapping in shield (to reduce ripostes on tough mobs). Losing agro at end of fight with the amount of procs I have during course of the whole fight means the shield must have resulted in a horrible drop off in agro (prolly from lost DPS)
By far the best agro combination is BOC in main and Cord Hilted off hand. If have tried all the combinations and I seem to get the best results with tha package. The Greatblade of Storms is really nice but I don't think the proc is more then half the agro of one EB proc. So even though it seems to proc more (but not twice as much) the BOC still owns it.
The Furious bash shield is the worst of that bunch. I have lost agro at end of fight swapping in shield (to reduce ripostes on tough mobs). Losing agro at end of fight with the amount of procs I have during course of the whole fight means the shield must have resulted in a horrible drop off in agro (prolly from lost DPS)
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Been reading up a bit on these posts and I see that warriors are upset about agro and such. I dont really get the post about the war with a Knight (pally or SK) in his group in BoT. If you are grouped with a knight in PoP, let him tank cause PoP is just XP grinding anyways its all about speed of killing and grinding out AAs. If you are by yourself then your casters should adjust when they cast to avoid agro, like slow later and stuff and agro shouldnt be a problem anyways. Why warriors dont have a beefed up taunt ability? probably because XP groups would be at less risk or something, would be making the game too easy if they could hold agro against an over-nuking wizard, think about it...
I play a Paladin and I rarely get agro on raids unless I want it (if I want it it is mine for keeps though) I dont see SKs taking agro on raids either. Every class has its strengths and weakneses /shrug that is where skill factor and making good equipment choices comes into play imho. I dont want this game made any easier its already beatable as many guilds on many servers have proved. Making a million agro weapons would also make it alot easier I think. I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen a warrior /shield someone in the last 6 months so I dont think its about protecting the casters, know your weakness and just work towards it, it makes the game more challenging.
Taunt weapons : Cord hilted spike driver ( drops from Xanamech triggered event in plane of Innovation) Blade of carnage (AoW)Anathema (2 hander in plane of hate) Bloodfrenzy (Cursed SSRA) Blade of War (Rallos zek in Tactics) and there are probably a few more plus the anger augments from LDON. There are options.
Duke Alvret Tassadar
Lord Protector
Tholuxe Paells
Edited, Mon Oct 6 00:08:19 2003
I play a Paladin and I rarely get agro on raids unless I want it (if I want it it is mine for keeps though) I dont see SKs taking agro on raids either. Every class has its strengths and weakneses /shrug that is where skill factor and making good equipment choices comes into play imho. I dont want this game made any easier its already beatable as many guilds on many servers have proved. Making a million agro weapons would also make it alot easier I think. I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen a warrior /shield someone in the last 6 months so I dont think its about protecting the casters, know your weakness and just work towards it, it makes the game more challenging.
Taunt weapons : Cord hilted spike driver ( drops from Xanamech triggered event in plane of Innovation) Blade of carnage (AoW)Anathema (2 hander in plane of hate) Bloodfrenzy (Cursed SSRA) Blade of War (Rallos zek in Tactics) and there are probably a few more plus the anger augments from LDON. There are options.
Duke Alvret Tassadar
Lord Protector
Tholuxe Paells
Edited, Mon Oct 6 00:08:19 2003
Duke Alvret Tassadar
Lord protector
Tholuxe paells
Lord protector
Tholuxe paells
Funny you should mention shield. I read on Steel Warriors message board a long time ago about how this is one of the most underused abilities that warriors possess. As a result I have been using it since about level 51. I play with a regular group so it's pretty easy to hotkey the chanter in one of my two shield slots...and it has saved her ass many times. If it sucked they wouldn't have made AAs to extend the duration =)
Ulic - Overlord of Rallos Zek
Torvonnilous
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There was some guy selling it for 20k straight one night on my server... I would have bought it but I had no cash at the time. *cry* Well, hope he comes back sometime once more before I loose all aamy cash.
Fallgore Bonekrackler
Ok for one , things i am semi tired of hearing with ppl who play everquest...
"Rangers can tank anything a warrior can"
"Palli's are better tanks then warriors"
"warriors are useless anymore , pal / sk can do the job just as well an hold better aggro"
"SoanSo says, "d@mn your dps sucks"
Ok i am gonna be blunt but to the point on this...
ANYONE CAN TAKE AGGRO. If you are a pure caster a few nukes for 3k will piss ANYTHING off.
A few pops on inner flame for 700 a round on a mob in 1 tick is REALLY gonna piss a mob off.
A silly enchanter chain casting mez on a mob that is resisting it is REALLY gonna piss it off.
Being to close to the mobs range an CHealing the tank can cause minor aggro if the tank has semi poor aggro management.
Shm / Necro to many dots will piss the mob off BADLY. Number 1 reason to the death of those classes, shure FP does some sick dmg, but lace a few more dots an a couple Lifetaps an yer looking at the loading to spawn point message...
ok so my point? this isn't really a problem with warriors not being able to hold aggro, its the fact that the pace of EQ has picked up too fast.
Everyone plays for speed anymore...i mean WTF does it matter?! Where are u going so fast? I mean d@mn enjoy the game , stop stressing it takes 2 min to kill a mob. I dunno how many times i have been in group an i see a wizzie just chain blasting a mob into sh*t an the mob just turns quads em for 750+ an i watch em die.. i mean i can't get pissed bc i understand ppl are trying to xp crunch an they are on limited time.. but wait! Alas there will always be a 2marro to xp!!
but the sentance i have heard from ppl that has pissed me off to all ends is the
"Warriors are useless, pallies can hold aggro better then a warrior"
Shure i would be pretty shure if u were on pvp an someone jumped u (i.e. a pally) and chain stuns u, an there is a sissy ranger hitting u for 10dmg a hit, i think u are gonna be more pissed at the person stunning u.
Well mobs are the same way. Stun = 1337 aggro.
But its not the point. Learn to play your class for what your class is. Don't cast stun every time it refreshs b/c its extra dps. Its just gonna Ping pong the mob if there is a warrior in group.
Don't chain nuke sh!t into hell, trust me there will always be a 2marrow to xp an as soon as u know it the mob will be dead...
Chanters pls... omg pls... just don't slow RIGHT when i bring the mob back... i tag the mob with an arrow, now use common sense, what would piss u off more? Being hit with an arrow for 10 dmg? or being slowed by 65%+? So don't lead yourself to an early death...
/rant off
Edited, Tue Sep 23 15:52:07 2003
"Rangers can tank anything a warrior can"
"Palli's are better tanks then warriors"
"warriors are useless anymore , pal / sk can do the job just as well an hold better aggro"
"SoanSo says, "d@mn your dps sucks"
Ok i am gonna be blunt but to the point on this...
ANYONE CAN TAKE AGGRO. If you are a pure caster a few nukes for 3k will piss ANYTHING off.
A few pops on inner flame for 700 a round on a mob in 1 tick is REALLY gonna piss a mob off.
A silly enchanter chain casting mez on a mob that is resisting it is REALLY gonna piss it off.
Being to close to the mobs range an CHealing the tank can cause minor aggro if the tank has semi poor aggro management.
Shm / Necro to many dots will piss the mob off BADLY. Number 1 reason to the death of those classes, shure FP does some sick dmg, but lace a few more dots an a couple Lifetaps an yer looking at the loading to spawn point message...
ok so my point? this isn't really a problem with warriors not being able to hold aggro, its the fact that the pace of EQ has picked up too fast.
Everyone plays for speed anymore...i mean WTF does it matter?! Where are u going so fast? I mean d@mn enjoy the game , stop stressing it takes 2 min to kill a mob. I dunno how many times i have been in group an i see a wizzie just chain blasting a mob into sh*t an the mob just turns quads em for 750+ an i watch em die.. i mean i can't get pissed bc i understand ppl are trying to xp crunch an they are on limited time.. but wait! Alas there will always be a 2marro to xp!!
but the sentance i have heard from ppl that has pissed me off to all ends is the
"Warriors are useless, pallies can hold aggro better then a warrior"
Shure i would be pretty shure if u were on pvp an someone jumped u (i.e. a pally) and chain stuns u, an there is a sissy ranger hitting u for 10dmg a hit, i think u are gonna be more pissed at the person stunning u.
Well mobs are the same way. Stun = 1337 aggro.
But its not the point. Learn to play your class for what your class is. Don't cast stun every time it refreshs b/c its extra dps. Its just gonna Ping pong the mob if there is a warrior in group.
Don't chain nuke sh!t into hell, trust me there will always be a 2marrow to xp an as soon as u know it the mob will be dead...
Chanters pls... omg pls... just don't slow RIGHT when i bring the mob back... i tag the mob with an arrow, now use common sense, what would piss u off more? Being hit with an arrow for 10 dmg? or being slowed by 65%+? So don't lead yourself to an early death...
/rant off
Edited, Tue Sep 23 15:52:07 2003
Yevun Gravelord http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=649301
Gegolian Badbain http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=649305
Gegolian Badbain http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=649305
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Well said for the most part. Everyone's in such a damn hurry to be better than other people in the game. I first picked up the game for an RPG environment that I could share with other actual people. Now everyone's in it just to show someone else they're better. Screw that. Now to stay on topic, this sword is USELESS for a ranger. A proc that increases hate by 700? Have fun dying. And whoever said "a ranger can tank anything a warrior can" was either stupid or ...well, stupid. Yes pally's and SK's can do the job, but warriors have better innate mitigation, plain and simple. You give a pally, SK, and warrior the exact same gear, put em up against the same mob, and time how long it takes each one to drop. I bet the warrior lasts longer.
I know this guy has been Awfulled into oblivion, but i wanted to comment on one thing he posted, the thing about Pally's and SK's being better tanks.
The thing to understand about "Tanks" is that there's two things to consider: Aggro and Damage mitigation. Palladins and SKs have the first one wrapped up, but the second is all warrior by a long shot. Now i know everyone's thinking stuff like "But Uber_Pally_1 on Server_1 in Uber_Guild_1 has 10k AC and 100K Hp!" One thing the warriors in his guild have that he doesn't, and therefore they tank before him? /Disc Defensive. A non-defensive warrior mitigates damage about the same as a Pally or SK, so in that respect, yes, Pally's and SK's are better over-all tanks. But once a warrior drops that defensive disc, he can go in solo on a mob, hold enough aggro to get it slowed, and let the raid move in unscathed, and THAT's where warrior's are gods.
The point is, Yes, Palladins and SK's are *maybe* gonna always be superior for XP groups with easily slowed mobs that hit about as hard as one cleric can heal, but when you need Uber_Mob_1 tanked in Uber_zone_1 for that loot that that Uber Pally had you were just braggin about, i GUARANTEE you're gonna wish that warrior you passed up for all those XP groups was 65 now, cause it'd be nice to have someone that could /disc defensive and put those 9k buffed HP to good use so that te raid can succeed.
And rangers? buy a bow. You'll never tank again (if you can help it at least) once you leave Dreadlands. This will make you a little pissed until you hit Endless Quiver and Archary Mastery 3 and drop a /disc Trueshot and Crit for 4k Damage.
Just play your roles. And to all you lvl 25's that think you're uber cause you're the first one on your block with EQ to have a last name? Don't flame what you don't understand, just level, you'll find that the same stuff that works in Paludal goes out the window once you hit 46 and can Finally click that Plane of Tranquility stone.
The thing to understand about "Tanks" is that there's two things to consider: Aggro and Damage mitigation. Palladins and SKs have the first one wrapped up, but the second is all warrior by a long shot. Now i know everyone's thinking stuff like "But Uber_Pally_1 on Server_1 in Uber_Guild_1 has 10k AC and 100K Hp!" One thing the warriors in his guild have that he doesn't, and therefore they tank before him? /Disc Defensive. A non-defensive warrior mitigates damage about the same as a Pally or SK, so in that respect, yes, Pally's and SK's are better over-all tanks. But once a warrior drops that defensive disc, he can go in solo on a mob, hold enough aggro to get it slowed, and let the raid move in unscathed, and THAT's where warrior's are gods.
The point is, Yes, Palladins and SK's are *maybe* gonna always be superior for XP groups with easily slowed mobs that hit about as hard as one cleric can heal, but when you need Uber_Mob_1 tanked in Uber_zone_1 for that loot that that Uber Pally had you were just braggin about, i GUARANTEE you're gonna wish that warrior you passed up for all those XP groups was 65 now, cause it'd be nice to have someone that could /disc defensive and put those 9k buffed HP to good use so that te raid can succeed.
And rangers? buy a bow. You'll never tank again (if you can help it at least) once you leave Dreadlands. This will make you a little pissed until you hit Endless Quiver and Archary Mastery 3 and drop a /disc Trueshot and Crit for 4k Damage.
Just play your roles. And to all you lvl 25's that think you're uber cause you're the first one on your block with EQ to have a last name? Don't flame what you don't understand, just level, you'll find that the same stuff that works in Paludal goes out the window once you hit 46 and can Finally click that Plane of Tranquility stone.
[70 Vanquisher] Waardar (Barbarian)
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[25+ Guardian] Waardar (Barbarian)
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1) Warriors can tank raid mobs. They do that better.
2) SK's and pallies tank XP mobs better. Simply because of snap aggro and such.
3) Rangers don't hit for 10. They hit for 4k. Also, once they get into time, those ranger weapons do more dps then their bows. So ya might want to consider that. Also, since rangers get Jolt, there *should* (note the should) be no way they get aggro unless they
A) want it because they're stupid.
B) are stupid.
C) want it because all the other melees are dead, or something
4) Every one is in a hurry because people like to see accomplishments. If you were still level 20, would you still be playing EQ after a year or so?
5) And no, bards have a really hard time taking aggro. Unless they have a BoC :p
The very end game switches around and does some wonky stuff. I'm sure if a guild so decided to, a rogue could get geared up enough to tank gods. Or a ranger. It's already been done with a monk. The rogue's hardest part would be aggro control.
2) SK's and pallies tank XP mobs better. Simply because of snap aggro and such.
3) Rangers don't hit for 10. They hit for 4k. Also, once they get into time, those ranger weapons do more dps then their bows. So ya might want to consider that. Also, since rangers get Jolt, there *should* (note the should) be no way they get aggro unless they
A) want it because they're stupid.
B) are stupid.
C) want it because all the other melees are dead, or something
4) Every one is in a hurry because people like to see accomplishments. If you were still level 20, would you still be playing EQ after a year or so?
5) And no, bards have a really hard time taking aggro. Unless they have a BoC :p
The very end game switches around and does some wonky stuff. I'm sure if a guild so decided to, a rogue could get geared up enough to tank gods. Or a ranger. It's already been done with a monk. The rogue's hardest part would be aggro control.
6 posts
No, but i CAN imagine it with one good augumentation. There are NO pre-LDoN items that have more than one slot for argumentations.
And it's not even sure that it can use any of the good argumentations, since only PoTime gear has slots for the high-end argumentations.
And it's not even sure that it can use any of the good argumentations, since only PoTime gear has slots for the high-end argumentations.
not true at all, almost every proc augment is slot 4 an weapons have slot 4 augments. alla has it messed up here for somereason, i was surfing her an seent hat anger 3 proc augment i was like 0_0 , so i looked up my ssra weapon...hmm says slot 1 at ALLa but i could of sworn it was slot 4 in game, logged in an shure enuff it was slot 4....but anyways my posting to this is this, no u can throw anger 3 on this to make the hate raise by 1k of hate instead of the normal 700 per proc...1337....
Yevun Gravelord http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=649301
Gegolian Badbain http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=649305
Gegolian Badbain http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=649305
Not 'entirely' true bro. Yes, you can add the Hate Aug to this making it proc another proc for +300 hate, but it's a seperate proc, ie, it won't add to the damage of this proc making it 1000 hate.
From what i understand ading a second proc to a weapon reduces the proc rate, splitting the difference -- ie, the proc check is passed, now it's basically gonna flip a coin to see which proc goes off. (this is an extimation from watching battle logs, but it seems pretty true)
I tested this theory with one of the lesser proc augs (it was the 50 cold DD proc i think) and it seemed to be the case.
Just tryin to save you those 1000+ hard earned AP's for something you might not be too happy with man.
Edit: I've since read conflicting information about how proc augments work in conjunction with procs already existing on the weapon. If someone has some reliable information, could you please post a link to a site? (please, no more guessing, lol)
Edited, Mon Oct 13 12:58:16 2003
From what i understand ading a second proc to a weapon reduces the proc rate, splitting the difference -- ie, the proc check is passed, now it's basically gonna flip a coin to see which proc goes off. (this is an extimation from watching battle logs, but it seems pretty true)
I tested this theory with one of the lesser proc augs (it was the 50 cold DD proc i think) and it seemed to be the case.
Just tryin to save you those 1000+ hard earned AP's for something you might not be too happy with man.
Edit: I've since read conflicting information about how proc augments work in conjunction with procs already existing on the weapon. If someone has some reliable information, could you please post a link to a site? (please, no more guessing, lol)
Edited, Mon Oct 13 12:58:16 2003
[70 Vanquisher] Waardar (Barbarian)
MT server
[25+ Guardian] Waardar (Barbarian)
Oasis server
MT server
[25+ Guardian] Waardar (Barbarian)
Oasis server
Steel Warriors has some excellent information regarding how proc augments work. Search for anger III etc until you find what you are looking for. Also note that anger augments have been upgraded to provide 200x hate ( i.e. anger I = 200 hate, anger III = 600 hate ). The short of the matter is: the procs appear to work independantly. Each time you swing it checks for your original proc first...if that doesn't go off, it checks for your augment proc. Say you swing 100 times on a mob. That means you have 100 chances to proc your original effect, and 100 minus the number of times your original proc went off to proc the augment. Hope that's not too confusing...read up =)
Edited, Sat Oct 25 05:09:56 2003
Edited, Sat Oct 25 05:09:56 2003
Ulic - Overlord of Rallos Zek
Torvonnilous
Torvonnilous
31 posts
Soon LDoN here, can you imagine BoC with 2 or 3 good augmentations? :D
This weapon RULES plain and simple.
26 posts
A couple years ago, the Warrior class was the best tanks in the business. The cry went out from Paladins and Shadow Knights, SONY gave in, and now in the high-end game Warriors are only needed during raid encounters. Items like this need to be more frequent in the game and need to be Warrior only. Rangers, Paladins, Shadow Knights already can take the Agro away from a Warrior with a few spell casts. I retired my Overlord a few months ago for this very reason. A warrior is not able to hold agro unless he has one of these weapons. Shadow Knights and Paladins have become the Tanking class for levels 50+ due to their ability to create AGRO and keep it even when Shamans and others slow a mob.
The game is old and it is trully showing its age. I seriously doubt Warriors will ever regain their proper place as the best punching bags in the game.
The game is old and it is trully showing its age. I seriously doubt Warriors will ever regain their proper place as the best punching bags in the game.
I don't get why people have a problem with pally/sk. They are a valuble addition to any group. Snare rules. Group heals rule. LoH rules. Stuns rule. Work in harmony with your fellow tanks. Just remember we have more hps, and defensive disc. Everyone has their place. I've been in situations where I felt the pally/sk was taking aggro just to spite me. Good for them, bust out the old 2hs and work on skills. There's no point in getting upset over exp groups. If you have a problem, find another group. Warriors aren't that common these days and people are always looking for a solid tank =)
Ulic - Overlord of Rallos Zek
Torvonnilous
Torvonnilous
3 posts
Excuse me, but it seems the warriors are the ones doing the complaining here, everytime one comes across a Paladin or a Shadow Knight who's a good player and able to hold their own in a fight it seems to upset the warriors. I would also like to remind you that the monks, paladins, and shadow knights have really been nerfed over the recent patches and now are nothing like they use to be in the game.. and why....warriors complaining about being outanked in the few zones where these classes can shine has a melee class. In my humble opinion, get over it, warriors get the all the disciplines, and great weapons regardless of style out there, if you can't hold the agro and support a group, it's your fault.
Quote:
if you can't hold the agro and support a group, it's your fault.
Nope, if you can't play your own class, and keep peeling the mob of the tank, its USUALLY your fault.
Yes there are some warriors who don't know how to taunt correctly, who don't know to stand as close as possible to the mob, and who pick bad weapons (wurmslayer/defender's lighblade) and therefore cannot hold aggro. however, if you're tank is doing the right stuff, has decent aggro rpco weapons, and yet you keep pulling the mob off the tank, its YOUR fault, not his.
The exceptions to this are those who HAVE to draw aggro on occasions (mezzer, healer, slower when resisted), but if you nuke too soon, or are a ranger/monk/rogue etc who draws aggro, don't blame the warrior, blame yourself.
7 posts
I play a 65 Vah Shir Overlord on the Eci server, this toon wasnt Pled or rushed in any way and he and i learned together how to be a good tank...from lev 30 to about 45 i was one of the most popular tanks out there..i had good weps and good skills..i was at the top of my game...i could easily taunt off a mob from an over nuking wiz or take it back after a good heal..np.
Time goes on i level up..with my guild i achieve full set of warlords, bp of vindication, my epics,a primal from ST,and a splitblade of destruction...these are awesome wepons SboD is 19 del and 14 dmg..its my primary...primal is my secondary its 20 del 13 dmg procs avatar wich is a 100 str 100 dex 100 agi 100 atk buff...this added to the aa points ive spent on planar augs, knocks my stats to 300 in str agi dex and stam and my attack to 1639 wich im told is phenominal,.All this (and yes i know how to taunt properly) and i am basically useless for keeping agro, 1 low lev stun from a pally or life tap from an SK and i loose agro...i have to constantly taunt just to get it back for a moment untill the hybrid casts again.Ive been out taunted by a pally with a soulfire in deep water gear that he bought from the bazaar. Its starting to get frustrating...you will be in a group and have agro on the mob..pally casts stun gets agro mob stops..enc/shm casts slow grabs agro while the mob is still stunned ... mob comes out of it runs straight for the slower or summons them..they die ..all look at you and wonder why you such a crappy tank.. I agree we dont need better weapons ..Hell we got great weapons...but SOE needs to update the way Taunt works...i think taunt should grab the highest agro...for all taunting classes....then if the sk/pally scoops agro...ya know its cuz they are taunting ,wich they shouldnt be doing in the first place.
Bloodclaws Fangtooth
65 Overlord 132 aa's and counting
Grey Horizon
Eci's
Time goes on i level up..with my guild i achieve full set of warlords, bp of vindication, my epics,a primal from ST,and a splitblade of destruction...these are awesome wepons SboD is 19 del and 14 dmg..its my primary...primal is my secondary its 20 del 13 dmg procs avatar wich is a 100 str 100 dex 100 agi 100 atk buff...this added to the aa points ive spent on planar augs, knocks my stats to 300 in str agi dex and stam and my attack to 1639 wich im told is phenominal,.All this (and yes i know how to taunt properly) and i am basically useless for keeping agro, 1 low lev stun from a pally or life tap from an SK and i loose agro...i have to constantly taunt just to get it back for a moment untill the hybrid casts again.Ive been out taunted by a pally with a soulfire in deep water gear that he bought from the bazaar. Its starting to get frustrating...you will be in a group and have agro on the mob..pally casts stun gets agro mob stops..enc/shm casts slow grabs agro while the mob is still stunned ... mob comes out of it runs straight for the slower or summons them..they die ..all look at you and wonder why you such a crappy tank.. I agree we dont need better weapons ..Hell we got great weapons...but SOE needs to update the way Taunt works...i think taunt should grab the highest agro...for all taunting classes....then if the sk/pally scoops agro...ya know its cuz they are taunting ,wich they shouldnt be doing in the first place.
Bloodclaws Fangtooth
65 Overlord 132 aa's and counting
Grey Horizon
Eci's
If you are grouped with an SK, they have a spell they can cast on you that increases the hate you generate. usually, they cast it on themselves when tanking, but its not self only.
I have tanked in PoI with a 51 warrior, grouped with a 55 SK, a 63 SK, and a 61 warrior. They were letting me tank to build my defensive skill.
COULD they take aggro away from me? YES. Did they? NO.
I easily held aggro thru the chanter casting slow, theru the cleric healing, etc. etc.
Warriors don't have the kind of snap aggro that SKs and Pallies do, but they can hold aggro just fine, as long as THE REST OF THE GROUP does their job, and does not taunt off.
Yes warriors should have better taunt, I agree. However, if the group understands the limits of warrior aggro generation, everything will be fine.
I have tanked in PoI with a 51 warrior, grouped with a 55 SK, a 63 SK, and a 61 warrior. They were letting me tank to build my defensive skill.
COULD they take aggro away from me? YES. Did they? NO.
I easily held aggro thru the chanter casting slow, theru the cleric healing, etc. etc.
Warriors don't have the kind of snap aggro that SKs and Pallies do, but they can hold aggro just fine, as long as THE REST OF THE GROUP does their job, and does not taunt off.
Yes warriors should have better taunt, I agree. However, if the group understands the limits of warrior aggro generation, everything will be fine.
No, it's not OUR fault. It's the fact that a warrior can't...CAN NOT...keep agro with just "taunt" and melee damage. Paladins get their stun spells, there's a lot of agro there. SK's get their nukes, snares, and dots. Not to mention the all important Tash, Malo, and Slows from the Enchanters and Shammys. I don't think it's they need to make SK's and Pally's worse, not at all. They just need to up the effect of the warrior taunt OR make weapons that cause agro, like this here Blade of Carnage, Warrior only.
Sheep go to Heaven, Goats go the Hell
I'm going to have to agree with this. Its NOT the Warriors fault when he's tanking if he loses aggro. The Paladins,Shadowknights, and Ranger all have the taunt button TOO. If the Warrior is the main tank then those classes are supposed to be SUPPLEMENT damage not the hate guy. Its the HYBRIDS fault If they overcast or taunt and get the stinken aggro NOT the warriors. The Warrior needs like a supertaunt button or something that can actuallt keep the aggro WITH the hybrids casting there spells, Then I'm sure there wouldn't be a outcry from warriors or a reason for it, But I am going to have to aggree with the warriors here.
And about the Hate Procing weapons I only know of 2 that have this kind of proc with War only. This http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=8890 and this http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=13242
Edited, Tue Sep 16 19:17:25 2003
And about the Hate Procing weapons I only know of 2 that have this kind of proc with War only. This http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=8890 and this http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=13242
Edited, Tue Sep 16 19:17:25 2003
Winolian Wood Elf Ranger
1 post
Hi 65 chanter here and I would just like to say from extensive grouping experience that Hybrid tanks indeed are superior in all situation EXCEPT tanking raid mobs. When exping in bot with a pally i can tash and slow immidiatly. With warrior tank even with 2 weapons with this proc i still have to wait untill the mob is at 80%. It is really sad that warriors have been left behind.
just my 2 copper
just my 2 copper
27 posts
I am a level 65 cleric and I agree it really sad to see the warriors being left behind. I watched a warrior (63) duel a Mag's pet (the pet was lvl 60) and the warrior did not have a chance. The Mag. did not nuke he was just watching.
im a 65 warrior i i will have to say we are being left behind just the other day i was in a group in bot doing great been there for about 2 hours the monk had to leave so she got a sk to come when the sk came i couldent hold agro worth sh*t he kept LT on inc mobs kept LT and casting them nukes during the fight. i finally said here you want to tank go right ahead and left. i dont know the need to up the agro taunt makes or make mor weaps that proc EB that are warrior only......its kinda sad to lose a duel to a lvl 60 sk. never could get a snare on me but just nuked me dead wih those damn nukes of his.
Scholar
24 posts
I am a 65 chanter/warrior, and I must agree with the 65 chanter above. I've given up on my warrior cuz my chanter can tashi/slow immediately when he's grouped with pallies or Sks. The one night I tried to play my warrior in LDoN I lost aggro to a BL that was slowing and it would take me 10 sec to grab it back. I had to hit taunt button non stop all night and lived thru a very frustrating 90 min of losing aggro. And when I play my chanter I can see every single warrior has trouble holding aggro.
SKs have their nitch in FD pulling and corpse retrival. Pallies can rez and be emergency healer with LoH. Warrior's nitch is raid tanking. So IMHO all 3 classes should be equal in taunts/aggro retention. All tanks need to be able to hold aggro.
A warrior shouldn't have to spend 250K pp just to get an EB weapon to be able to keep aggro. No pallies nor SKs have to do that.
I'm not gonna play my warrior till they fix the aggro retention problem.
SKs have their nitch in FD pulling and corpse retrival. Pallies can rez and be emergency healer with LoH. Warrior's nitch is raid tanking. So IMHO all 3 classes should be equal in taunts/aggro retention. All tanks need to be able to hold aggro.
A warrior shouldn't have to spend 250K pp just to get an EB weapon to be able to keep aggro. No pallies nor SKs have to do that.
I'm not gonna play my warrior till they fix the aggro retention problem.
I lose agro all the time on slow and to SKs and Pallies and I have a BOC and Cord Hilted. Even getting nice procing weapons doesn't really solve it (it does keep you close to top of hate list so you can get agro back with a well timed taunt)
47 posts
250k isn't too bad, when I think of how I've spent on spells up to lv65. Also comming from a Paladin viewpoint we don't really need hate proc'ing weapons. I say make it war only. Also I think SOE is playing around with the fizzle rate of stuns lately. Possibly a class balancing adjustment...?
Duke Pohl Maudeeb
Holy Defender
Celestial Navigators Vazaelle (Maelin Starpyre)
Holy Defender
Celestial Navigators Vazaelle (Maelin Starpyre)
Take a look at the mechanical dragon in PoI, drops the warrior pick that procs a 500 hate increasing spell. They are putting more items like BoC in all the time.
Liveye (lvl 65 Wizard)
Liveye (lvl 65 Wizard)
2 posts
This may be true but warriors who arent in uber guilds cannot get these items. Also even the ones that do have to wait for it to proc to have the added aggro, warriors taunt should be much stronger than it is. I mean thats all warriors get tanking and a little more hp than other tanking classes. There are better weapons out there for sk and pally but tell me they wouldnt aye on this item.
Edited, Sat Nov 1 10:44:49 2003
Edited, Sat Nov 1 10:44:49 2003
6 posts
This wepon is Bomb even in pop expansion, who ever these guys were back in what 2002, need a reality check!!!
Meaning this is, and should be, a Warrior only wepon!!! now lay off the crack... =P
Meaning this is, and should be, a Warrior only wepon!!! now lay off the crack... =P
wassup||| Xanvex XelnagaKnight
#wieeum,
Posted: Aug 05 2003 at 11:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) yeah i'm dumb but what is proc? and still i've seen swords like this without the rasing hate thing in the bazaar for like 10-15k
first off all this is the 2nd best ratio of 1hs weapons for warriors in the entire game that is droppable. Second the stats are amazing on this. Third the agro proc is second to none, this is te best agro proc you can have on ANY weapon. Fourth, this is dropped by the Avatar of War. A very respected very hard mob, that you 2 newbies below me and above me will not even see for a long time. Those are the 4 reasons why MANY warriors would pay upwards of 300k for this item.
Edited, Wed Aug 13 20:35:16 2003
Edited, Wed Aug 13 20:35:16 2003
#wieeum,
Posted: Aug 05 2003 at 12:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) what does rasing someones hate do? i figure it'd make them attack u more so y would u want that?!? oh and someone please tell me y this is worth 300k?????
46 posts
Increasing hate is kickass for warriors cause they want to have aggro
the stats are awesome the proc is awesome and the damage delay is totally kick ass...
A lot of people would pay 300k for this
the stats are awesome the proc is awesome and the damage delay is totally kick ass...
A lot of people would pay 300k for this
12 posts
Ok, I've got a stupid question because I've never really understood aggro weapons. The Enraging Blow effect, does that just increase a mobs aggro to the weapon holder? And if so, why would a Ranger want that to happen? Rick
-- Buzzlit
because sony is smokein crack and never played eq in there life i bet
#kola,
Posted: Jul 25 2003 at 12:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hey guys, I know you probably don't believe it, I didn't belive it either when I saw it, but in the other day I saw a lvl 1 warrior wielding this in s offhand and a Hategiver in Primary! I repeat, I don't blame you for not believing, I didn't believe it either!
I'm confused. Warriors don't get duel wield until level 13.
Gereg
It's a possibility that a low level warrior could be wielding it as the ability stays if ya delevel, but impossible for a level 1 character to dual wield (since ya can't delevel to anywhere past 9 I beleive). I'd beleive anything I saw though.
Chars created prior to the patch that changed the lowby death losing exp can still delevel below 9.
65 Enchanter vazaelle
#Xenthick,
Posted: Jul 17 2003 at 4:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) /sigh this is wussy ass sword... not worth the 100k anymore .... once you get to bot you won't want this much anymore =/
15 posts
GAH! what game are you playing?
#Grunmore,
Posted: Jul 24 2003 at 6:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) u are quite possibly the biggest newb i have ever seen in my life. This weapon is awesome and you would want to use it in BoT. And it is well worth 400k.
40 posts
Lol jsutlooking at his sh*t makes me laugh (LOL)
This guy seems like nerd that can't get a life and all he can do is stare at items on allakhazam. (lol)
This guy seems like nerd that can't get a life and all he can do is stare at items on allakhazam. (lol)
#Yevun,
Posted: Jul 21 2003 at 6:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) dude yer profile is phoney i know yer azz didn't drop TT in PoT stop bsing yerself. u still got an EotS and a Black bear pelt cloak.
#Xenthick,
Posted: Jul 17 2003 at 4:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) /sigh this is wussy ass sword... not worth the 100k anymore .... once you get to bot you won't want this much anymore =/
2 posts
3 words for ya'll... 1) This 2)Sword 3)Rocks 8)
Burnheart Bladestorm
54th Champion
Rallos Zek
Prexus Server
Pride.. Honour.. Triumph.. Every Warrior at heart seeks the guideince of those 3 words.. but only the greatest will find them.. Ring of Honour Forever!
Edited, Fri Jul 11 06:30:00 2003
Burnheart Bladestorm
54th Champion
Rallos Zek
Prexus Server
Pride.. Honour.. Triumph.. Every Warrior at heart seeks the guideince of those 3 words.. but only the greatest will find them.. Ring of Honour Forever!
Edited, Fri Jul 11 06:30:00 2003
Anyone got a current stat listing on this? lol
Just wondering about a min level?
Just wondering about a min level?
[link=www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=973089]Orocular[/link]
The Rathe
"When you sit on a hot ash, a second seems like an hour. When courting a young woman, an hour seems like a second. THAT is relativety."
-Einstien
The Rathe
"When you sit on a hot ash, a second seems like an hour. When courting a young woman, an hour seems like a second. THAT is relativety."
-Einstien
19 posts
there is no updated stats on it,its a velious wep,no min lvl on it,proced at lvl 1 for me.
#ValdoTheGreat,
Posted: Jun 27 2003 at 8:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I found one of these on the floor in bazaar the other day, didnt cost me a thing and now i am the most wicked level 36 ranger to grace Dawnshroud Peaks... heh, iwish!