After 3 pages of this stuff I'm still not totaly sure WHAT the quiver does. Seems the best bet is to just nod your head and say "Yes, you'll shoot faster."
The Fleeting Quiver is not a Haste item. It is a weight reducing quiver that allows for faster draw of arrows. If it were haste, it would state haste in it's stats.
What does this mean? It means you WILL fire slightly faster pulling from this quiver as opposed to other quivers or normal bags. The delay on bows (only) is reduced by the time effected during drawing.
How? Imagine drawing an arrow from a quiver, knocking it, drawing the string and releasing...
What does the Fleeting Quiver do? You draw like Billy the Kid as opposed to those he shot down.
Just because it doesn't have the EFFECT:haste listed doesn't mean it's not a haste item, goober.
haste ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hst) n. 1. Rapidity of action or motion. 2. Overeagerness to act. 3. Rash or headlong action; precipitateness.
intr. & tr.v. hast·ed, hast·ing, hastes To hasten or cause to hasten.
Idiom: make haste To move or act swiftly; hurry.
The quiver IS a haste item. Your delay between shots is lower, therefore you shoot faster. Just like any haste item makes your delay between melee swings lower.
It was posted before and I'm tracking down the post as it was stated.
The benefit of a WR quiver is 10% of the WR is subtracted from the bows delay POINTS. Fleeting Quiver of 60%WR reduces bow delay by 6 POINTS. Stackable with haste items, spells & songs. The first reference of the benefits is in the developers corner forum on 7/30/2001 with the title "Quivers" or something like that.
HtH, K
*edit* - Quivers only affect BOW delays and the top-left most quiver WR is used.
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Posted:Jan 19 2003 at 3:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You can get techincal all you want. This quiver does not have EQ haste. In EQ haste is an affect that increases your speed of attacks in battle. Or can affect your casting time if its spell haste. The quiver only speeds up your arrow drawing time, it does not decrease the speed you will shoot the arrows or the delay between shot. You simply draw arrows faster than from you inventory or other quivers, simple as that.
If you draw and knock your arrow's faster then doesn't that essentially equate to shooting your arrow's faster? The delay in a bow is in when you draw and knock your next arrow. So if the effect of the quiver speeds the drawing process it then must decrease the delay which is by defenition bow haste.
Check it out. Time the amount of time between shots with a quiver and with out.
I for one use a fleeting quiver and notice a difference.
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Posted:Oct 08 2002 at 1:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I love how folks spout out facts like they know something...post feking logs or shut up as you know nothing.
Got my 1st HQ skin after only about 8 lions. That after 3 whole levels (49-51) in Jaggedpine trying for an Eye of Grif (which I haven't gotten yet, though I did get the Grif earring). I guess the EQ Gods are having some mercy on me. On the other hand, I haven't gotten any other ingreds, nor tried combining them, so we'll see....
(added Feb-12). After previous post got 2 more HQ skins after just 6 more lions. Sweet. The item I had the hardest time with was the Aviak eggoil. Foraged/bought the eggs, but due to my low brewing skills it took me until my very last egg (24th) to get 3 eggoils (I'm collecting 3 of everything). Next I have to get Vial of Distilled Mana and pattern, /tells to find a tailor....
Just one little tip! The Egg is not dropped by Griffons in Jaggedpine. Cause you need a Aviak Egg not a Griffon Egg. And the Aviak Egg is foraged in Butcherblock Mountains =)
Good Luck to you
Deecey Riverwind 52th Pathfinder of Tunare Morell-Thule
Remember, its the High Quality Lion SKIN thats SKIN , NOT pelt, I had tons of pelts, but it took me about 2 hours to get a HQ Lion SKIN. I have an FBSS now, and combined with this, I will shoot arrows even faster. Cool all I want for xmas is this quiver and a tolans darkwood bracer. and a Tolans darkwood vambraces, and I will be killing machine. goodbye and good luck, peace grease.
Not being a brewer, I dumped 1 point into brewing and want to combine the aviak egg and the water. Where can I get a brewers barrel? what skill level do I need to make the Aviak Eggoil?
Actualy, quivers don't give percentage haste. Instead they reduce the delay of the bow. 10% weight reduction is equal to 1 delay reduction. Depending on the bow this could be trivial or significant. Basicaly, the faster the bow is the more you'll notice the quiver. And yes, you still get a benifit from 1 item haste and 1 spell haste (and 1 bard haste).
I'd like to believe that, but if that's the way it works, the developers didn't think it through.
The way you suggest, that means if the bow has lower delay (a better bow, provided the damage was the same or at least same ratio, and also ignoring stats.), the quiver will affect it more than a bow with higher delay. The system you suggest makes it easier to improve an already awesome bow, than one that could really use some bow haste.
Let's just use an example of "Bow A," a 6/24 bow and "Bow B," a 6/42 bow. If your system was right, when you equipped the Fleeting Quiver, Bow A becomes 6/18 and Bow B becomes 6/36. Bow A, is a lot better than Bow B to start off, but the delay of Bow A is still over half of Bow B. After you add the quiver and do your haste thing, Bow A has exactly half the delay of Bow B, making it even better than Bow B with the same "haste". Look at the ratios:
Bow A before 'haste' = 4 Bow B before 'haste' = 7 Bow A after 'haste' = 3 Bow B after 'haste' = 6 (yeah, I picked the numbers so I could do it in my head :P ;) )
Well, this probably got a bit long-winded, but after talking to many other rangers, the typical consensus is that it is in fact 1/3 of the WR percentage, and I just thought I'd ramble on about how your system can't work.
Ok lets get this issue straight, what does the 60% weight reduction actually mean for bow haste? is it 1/3 of the WR? all of the WR? what? just really wanting to know so i can do some math and figure out the delay for my bows
Could someone list a current price for this item and a description of the haste. I know its been said below but there were so many listed I would like a link possibly to a site where it may have been parsed. Thanks for the help =)
While most haste information seems to appear out of thin air, the "Weight Reduction Percentage numeral = Bow Delay Reduction" seems correct. With a fleeting quiver my Double Recurved Velium bow is certainly nowhere near 17 delay, but I can say anecdotally that it certainly seems noticeably faster.
Finally got someone to attempt to make this for me. With a skill of 170 managed to get 2 out of two made! WOOT! So me and a ranger buddy now both have one :)
ok, who knows the exact percent del reduction on this thing? like FBSS is 21% and so on.... someone varify. im getting 60%, 20%, 30%. please someone confirm something.
From what I have been able to tell, Quiver Weight reduction seems to translate into a Delay reduction in points. In otherwords, a tailored quiver has a DR of 22%, which seems to translate into a 2 point reduction, so your Trueshot would go from 45 to 43. That would seem to translate to a 6 point or so reduction for the Fleeting Quiver, which would make the Trueshot delay 39. respectable for a 20+ damage weapon (remember, arrows add to this, depending on the arrow). If someone has some hard data on whether or not this is correct, I would love to see it.
this item has 60% haste according to peoples selling it on my server..morelle thule...ive got everything now except the mana but ive got that lined up...didnt realize sapphs were so expensive grrrr
Have all the pieces for this, even the distilled mana, but no luck with a higher lvl tailor yet. Worst part of quest is the lion skins. In about 15 hours of playing time (combined total) got 2 to drop - that represents about 70 highland lions. On the other hand i know of someone else who got 1 after only an hour - 19 highland lions. go figure :P Placeholders for Highland Lions are Lions and Griffawns. Lionesses only seem to spawn more lionesses. Still looking for a high enough Tailor to attempt this - 240 skill would be great but I might just be happy to settle for 200+. If anyone on Luclin server can be of help plz send a tell, I'm sure we can work something out.
Remember to use the /Rand 100 200 trick, basicly keep rolling till you get alot in the 170+ range then hit combine fast. its not a sure thing but it got me from 35 to 130 on a single pack of silk swatches.
I always thought that it decreased your bow delay by a set amount 6 so a 50 delay bow becomes 44. However over at the Rangers Glade (the best site for parsing info and the combat engine for melees) has data parsing this at 20 percent so the haste is the wr percent divided by 3. Makes my 25 50 150 bow a 25 38 150 bow. Yummy
Has anyone actually done any studies of the Haste this item does to archer? I was wondering how much Haste the Fleeting Quiver has. I just got one... and my archery delay time is much less... so I know there is some.
It is made by taking two sapphires and a regular poison vial (not lined or sealed) and having a higher up level enchanter cast the appropriate spell i believe it is called distill mana. most enchanters will do it for free some might ask for something in return. Sapphires best price is 105pp each and the posion vials can be found in west karana sold by gildin toxfodder for a few gold. can also be made by players with appriate poterry skill
For info my mains wife made 3 from 6 last night Her skill was 159 however she has 206 wis and also had a 13 wis buff from the chanter who made the distilled mana so the old adage about wis for success and int for increase may be true. Anyway im really happy makes my Trailblazer even better, 25 44 150. Shame that an FBSS doesnt help bow shots
There has been a lot of debate about dex being a secondary stat for fletching, but verant has specifically stated that this is NOT true. You can read the messageboard on eqtraders.com for more details or proof -Windream
Just to remind anyone that may be new to the tradeskill game what int/wis actually does for tradeskills:
The stat that is the highest between int and wis is the stat that governs how fast you will get skill points (not taking into account the secondary stats for blacksmithing and I beleieve fletching). The trivial level of the item you are making vs. what skill you are currently trying to make it at determines success/failure. So if you have a higher int than wis that is stat that will govern how fast you skill up and vise versa. If you are trying to make something at skill 20 that trivials at skill 100 you most likely won't make many.
This is all per the VI tradeskill guy from summer 2001 when they finally let us know what governs the tradeskills.
2 HQ Lion SKINS! ~Over a week in NK killing HL Lions. (Payed 25pp for second one) 2 Griffon Feathers ~Same as HQ skins but 10pp for second feather. 2 Fleeting Quiver Patters ~Not even 1pp, almost anywere you can get them. 2 Vials of Distilled Mana ~400pp for the gems sapphires and I had someone make me the vials! 2 Aviak Egg Oils ~A few days of running throuh BB forageing, trial at 104 in Brewing.
Then I spend two weeks looking for someone with a 250 skill in Tailoring. Could not find anyone! I finally found the person who was best on my server and gave him all the stuff. We hoped and prayed and the first attemt FAILED!!! Ok, I'll only have one, thats all I need. Second attemt FAILED!!!! I got a boobe prize b/c he felt bad for me and said when he is maxed out skill he will drop me a line. Now I just need more stuff! lol Good luck to anyone who wants one!
Enfiniti Starr Ranger of the 20 season Loyal servent of Karana ~Ayonae Ro~
Wow, you spent a week in N Karana killing Hilghland Lions (~17 fair enough) and Giffons (35-37) at level 20, I am impressed! You don't even have the benefit of Panic Animal, not that your spells would stick on Griffons anyway at your level.
The feathers I believe totally. The HQ lion skins not so sure. Are you sure you arn't confusing HQ LION SKINS with HQ CAT PELT? HQ cat pelts drop fairly commonly, but the HQ skins are fairly rare. Even with tracking and luck it is tough for me to find say...10-20 lions in 20 minutes. To find that many lions in 20 minutes with 4 HQ skins drop would be very VERY lucky. Not calling you a liar or anything, GRATS if you did find 4 skins in 20 minutes, that is the bottleneck on making these quivers.
Aviak Oil is made from a foraged Aviak Egg, (foraged in Butcher Block) and a flask of water (non-foraged) combined in a brew barrel. With a brewing of "Very Bad" I succeeded 1 in 7. Not sure if that was way lucky or not.
From the day I found this item I have been trying to get all the stuff to make it. I have double of everything; Fleeting Quiver Pattern Giffon Feathers 4 shappires 2 posion vials ~to make two vials of Distilled Mana 2 HQ Lion SKINS and.... NOTHING ELSE!!! I can't find Aviak Egg Oil anywhere! Nobody knows where to find it or make it or anything. If anybody knows please let me know! I want one of these really bad. Feel free to send me a /tell. I will pay you for it if you have one or two!
The Fleeting Quiver gives a 20% reduction in a bows Delay. It does not haste the archer, so it will stack with any haste items or spells. A 20% reduction (quiver's weight reduction/3) in a bows delay gives the same rate of fire as an archer with out a quiver that's using 25% haste.
If you fire an arrow once every 5 seconds for 500 seconds, that's 100 shots. 20% delay reduction would be once every 4 seconds. If you fire an arrow once every 4 seconds for 500 seconds, that's 125 shots. That's an increase of 25% more shots, which is a similar effect to a 25% bow only haste.
I talked to one of my friends and he says the the weight reduction of the quiver is also the percent that it lowers your delay. if you are right then what percent does the tailored quiver lower bow delay by?