I've been working on trade skills for quite a while, i've gotten to mastery (or close, at least) in most of them. Seems that there's a lot of people out there that want to kill off the trade skills. I mean when people charge 25pp for an item in the bazaar and want to buy stuff you make with it (and the reason that people are charging that for it in the bazaar, even) for 5pp. I am not going to pay 20pp to make you an item, guys and gals.
Support your local smith/tailor/or whatever, and we'll keep you nicely equipped
I realize that it's like dealing with merchants, however, the cost to increase trade skills should be sufficient for the loss, i'm not worried about it, much, and this is not a complaint, because i'll just work to get each item, and i realize that there's some really nice things made with certain things, which is why people charge what they do, but the skills needed to make the items costs us tailors/smiths/etc., a lot, and some people might buy the items for the super inflated prices, but i'm betting that you are going to see a drop of lots of the trade skill made items for which people are charging exorbatant rates. the cost to get to mastery keeps lots of people from doing trade skills, and that does help limit competition, and keeps the weak at heart from getting far in most of them, but let me give one example i'm sure anyone would like to see more of.
halfling cultural bags, the 10 giant slot, 100% WR one, specifically (oh yeah, i'm sure everyone wants 4 or 5 of them...lol) they require 36 foraged items, 7 blue diamonds, and a number of platinum threads (250pp, vendor sold item), the cost to make them with people selling the blue diamonds for 1k+, is around 10k (and that's just for one attempt) if you'd like to see more of these out there (and for a reasonable price), people drop your greed a bit, make them resonable thank you
I have baking, brewing, tailoring, fishing, and baking all up to 135... I have pottery and smithing at 90...
I notice that one trade helps another, so to grandmaster any, you must master all... I will soon be training trades again, and have determine what my course of action will be to help the economy...
I will NEVER sell a single piece in the bazaar EVER... Once I grandmaster tailoring, I will ONLY do combines for my guild.. My idea of dealing with an exhorborantly inflated economy is to ignore it as much as possible, and create my own sub economy. As my guild grows, my goal is to avoid a trip to the bazaar altogether...
My hopes are that many will come to the same conclusion as I do.. Then, when people stand in the bazaar for 72+ hours without selling a single item, the prices will start to drop 8)
I am no economist... Matter of fact, most economists would probably get pretty angry at my idea because in the real world, it would only cause more problems... In EQ you don't have to worry about people losing jobs, or sources of money closing down. Zones will always be there. In the real world, it is more complex because, unfortunately, there are no undead apes, and if there were, you would not find money or gems on their corpses once they were detroyed.
Nevertheless, in this over inflated virtual economy, I believe my plan will work IF enough people have the stuborn backbone to stick with it...
Hell, maybe we can take our rebellion back to Eastern Commons!! Ahhh, those were the days 8)
I like your idea but i feel that to ignore the Bazaar is a bad move. I have picked up some very handy items in there at good prices so its not all evil. At the moment my skills are all over 150 and under 200 (havent done class/race specific trades yet Alchemy/Tinkering etc). I think my best experience with the Baz was when i finally got round to Brewing Qeynos Afternoon Tea. I had 59 Tea Leaves so i prepared enough stuff to use all of em. I ended up with 270 Tea's. The going rate for them was 15 each so i set up shop at 10pp per. An hour later i was looking at 2k5 in cold hard cash. I routinely sell stuff i get from foraging in Baz to keep me in supplies for Fletching and suchlike. Plant Shoots are a good one for me. Was leveling on Griffons in JP cos the Exp was good and their meat is used for high skill Baking. With Forage mapped to my turning keys i was getting Veggies and Plant Shoots by the bucket load. At 5pp per Shoot and 2pp for Veggies i could turn a handsome profit for no actual effort. However, it does burn my cookies when i see something like Tuft of Dire Wolf Fur in baz for 50pp per tuft. This is a freebie Forage in EW and Thurg and people want 50pp for it ??? Dream on people. The day i pay 50pp for ANY commonly foraged item from an easy access zone is the day hell freezes over. If it comes from a Plane you might see my money but otherwise no way Jose.
But hey, in the end, we'll be making all the stuff we need from the Trades and the people who gouge us for the parts will be sitting needing our products. Heaven help em if they try to haggle with ME ! rofl
Is it just me, or have the costs for BD's tripled since the new recipies and the bazaar? I remember them costing 500p on the TP server, now I'm lucky to get one for less than 2k.... /sigh
But when you add a few 100 recipies requireing blue diamonds, and with products around the quality of HoT quest armor, it is fairly easy to understand.
The price will vary a lot across servers, some as low as 800, some up to 2.5k . On AB theyseem to range around 1000-1500.
There was a temporary increase up that high, after the tradeskill trophies were created that needed these. There coming down again, though not as low as they were before... in the bazaar I usually see these going for about 1200 now. (I'm making the brewing trophy so need TWO of these... one for the mounted gem in the artisan's seal, another for the corking device!)
Just got one of these to drop from a Geonid (plain geonid, not a shamman or shinning) in Waking Lands last night. Is it just me or are they becomming more common? (first BD drop in about 100 or so Geonids, but still. Geonids? Whatever!) And it was after I cleared the area and respawn so nobody planted a gem incase your wondering.
I was just assuming that Verant added these to all of the post-50 zones and dungeons in the pre-luclin world as a very rare drop. Keep in mind that one of the things that's hard on VI is when everyone crowds into a few zones. That taxes the servers, and can't be efficiently spread out. If they can give the post-50s a reason to keep hunting in all the old zones it helps them difuse the load.
No you just got really lucky, geonids drop these as an extremely rare drop, a necromancer in my guild fear kites them all the time, he's gotten two in many weeks of fighting there, I wouldn't try going here for BDs.
Worthless! Absolutely worthless! Especially after the latest patch.
You might as well sell them, or better yet, donate them to your freindly cleric for all the xp he's saved you over the years..... /glances innocently at the sky /whistles idly
Well i think that VI messed up things with the usage of Blue Diamonds in the new trade skills. Simple example is the new Druid wood elf armor, to make say the BP it costs 4.5k for thease gems if u get them at 1.5k each. The stats on the BP are ac21 wis10 mana40 sta10 hp40 stats are not bad but take this into account if u fail to make this as ppl at 250 skill have failes 2 out of 3 tries it will end up costing as much as an ES bp or keal MQ. If they dont fix this no one will even want to bother with this or other armor.
Well, keep in mind that VI really doesn't control the cost of PTP sales of items. They did make them more important, yes, but players control their value. If you don't want to pay 1.5k then don't, just going to have a rough time finding them available all the time.
How much do these sell for to a vendor? Was invited on a hate raid and the guild that set it up was keeping all cash and items other then class specific.At least 20 of these dropped along with lots of other gem type items. We were there for about 10 hours. How much money could they have made in 10 hours span? Anyone that has gone on one of these raids and kept all cash and gems please post.
They would never have sold these to a vendor even before the last tradeskills patch as they are integral componants to good resist gear.
Since the last tradeskill patch they are certain to be kept in guild for a high level smith, or sold for varying amounts depending on player and server to high level smiths and other tradespeople (from 500pp each on up to ridiculous amounts depending on the buyers desperation/need)..
Basically on a 10 hour hate raid, they would have made many thousand pp on the gems/cash items that they would have sold to vendors.. Ruby Crowns, Sapphire Necklaces, Mithril Amulets, Sapphires etc.. Depends totally on the day as there can be great days and poor days for drops of all kinds..
blue diamonds due to the ever changing tradeskills are becoming worth more and more every day.. my suggestion.. start becoming a collector if u can.. or talk to your guilds about becoming one.. why? because just like anything else.. once something good comes along.. a way to make extra ordinary amounts of money (up to 2k on the seventh hammer right now) u know they will soon become an even more rare drop lol.. im sure they will do something to make it harder to obtain these.. making the price go up and the armors hard to make and aquire.. soooo what im doing and what i suggest to all of you.. is become a diamond dealer =)... collect as many as u can and hold on to em.. for money reasons and also for armor reasons!.. taygarr wiz of the 53rd season .. on the seventh hammer
Believe it or not, I actually got this off a Froglock Berserker in SoNH (light blue @ 36). ANd no, someone didnt just put this on him for newbies. Anyone who did is a frigging idiot due to the value. Besides, I was only one in zone, and had been for some time (being as I play in the time y'all consider off hours), killing frogs with my ranger to help do a quest for one of my alts. Only got 1K for it though, not the 2k mentioned above.
I have a feeling these will become more valuable as the new jewelry goes live in Luclin. Thanks for the tip on a new location to pick these Zera. It's always good for a guild treasury to have as many of these on hand as possible to provide members with resist gear. If you are not in a guild that needs high resist equipment you can make some decent plat by selling Blue Diamonds to guilds that do.
On Tunare I buy these, on average, for about 1k each. I know that prices for just about everything on Tunare are greatly depressed so I didn't enter it, just posted here as an FYI for people on Tunare.
I'm gonna get one of these babies just from running naked around the EQ world! (Check out everlore.com for details) I wish they gave similar gifts in the real world, because I would be a rich man. BTW, what is this thing for?
The quest with the othmir chief in Cobalt Scar is an easy way to get blue diamonds. Charisma isn't as crucial as everyone says. I have done it three times now with only about 120 charisma. I have received two blue diamonds and one ruby.
Think this has been nerfed pretty good since the date of this posters post, roughly a bit after velious was out.
For quite a long time now you'd be lucky to even get a ruby or black sapphire. It seems they added star rose quartz and various other things to the possible reward and you get them about 90 percent of the time plus.
This would not be that bad except the tusks are also fairly rare.
after spending several lvls quading ulthorks (drop tusks say 1 in 20-25) i turned in a few pairs and got one BD (sold for 2k) two diamonds, one black sapphire, one ruby, and one ruby crown(merchant fodder=150pp) all in all not bad hehe