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MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: SHOULDERS
AC: 7
STA: +7 CHA: +7 WIS: +7 INT: +7
SV FIRE: +7 SV COLD: +7 SV POISON: +7
Mana Regeneration: +1
WT: 2.0 Size: SMALL
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Item Type: Armor No Kheldar Lyssabeth Live Thu Oct 9th, 2008
Required: Yes

Rarity: Uncommon
Level to Attain: 52

This item is the result of a quest.

Crafted: This item is crafted by players.

Quests: This item is used in quests.

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Wrong trivs
Aug 07 2004 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
28 posts
I think pretty much every trivial on the Alla's walkthrough for 7th shawl is wrong. Check www.eqtraders.com under quests for the real trivs
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My Thoughts..
Mar 08 2004 at 2:35 AM Rating: Decent
140 posts
Well.. I had an experience with this... I have had so many problems with these shawl.. That I almost gave up at one time. But, then I realized how much time I had put into it.. That I would kick my own butt if I didn't see it through..

Shawl #5 = 2 Fails
Shawl #6 = 4 Fails
Shawl #7 = 1 Fail

After spending 12 hours in the Ice House in Kael to get the Kromriff Blood, I logged on 1 morning and finally got it.. So I headed off to Thurg to beging the combines. I have all my skills at 200 with the exception of JC which is at 250 + 5 mod from trophey and + 9 AA's in JC Mastery.. And tailoring which is only at 162+5 mod from geerlok thingy..

I do all the combines with no problems. Up to the 2nd to last step. The 1 before you put everything in the tailoring kit. This is a JC combine, now of all the things in this particular quest I don't expect to fail on would be this. I have the skill maxed out, and have a 25% less chance of failure with the AA abilities..

But alas.. I hit combine and get that dreaded "You lack the necessary skills bla bla bla" I was so mad.. So, I decided to log since I was in a bad mood.. I went to goto bed, and friend stopped over.. I told him what happened and he laughed at me.. After he left.. I just remembered.. OMG!!! I left my shawl and everything else in a NO RENT bag.. I run down get back on, and my shawl, burin and all the extra components are POOFED!!! I petition.. Wait 2 weeks and finally get my shawl back. Went to SG.. 2 boxed my pally (I'm a chanter if you didn't figure that out) Got the tooth off a fish, that someone else had killed.. Got the pelt in about 8 kills.. Pull the sirens from the well, and got the sea shell off the 5th or so one that I killed.. My friend gave me the blood and everything else I went to the bazaar and picked up for bout 300pp..

So, when I get home this morning.. I'm gonna go in for round 2... Hopefully it won't be as bad as round one...

On a side note, most of the items for this particular quest can be bought with the exception of the swordfish tooth..

Runed Sea Sheel (1 Charge of EB)===800pp
Ulthork Tusk=======================100pp
Bulthork Hide======================200pp
Small Pieces of Velium ============30pp
Small Brick of Velium==============70pp
Royal Kromrif Blood============500pp-3kpp

Those are all the farmable/dropable ingrediants needed.. Like I said only one you need to get yer self is the tooth.. Or, if you are cheap O, farming them is not to difficult. 2nd time around I farmed everything and it took me about 2 hours or so..
Just a FYI
Dec 26 2003 at 12:31 AM Rating: Decent
18 posts
I got my molkor hide / swordfish tooth / and Royal Kromrif Blood today and woot with 160 tailoring and Geerlok got my runed shawl lol time to start farming #8 btw the tailoring triv is sooooooo wrong on this sight
Swordfish Tooth in Revamped Siren's Grotto
Nov 03 2003 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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38 posts
Has anybody obtained the NODROP Swordfish Tooth from Siren's Grotto since the revamp? Any advice on where and how to best hunt this item, recommendations for levels or force needed are very appreciated. I brought a full group of 6 in here and we nearly wiped once and barely sustained fighting even after the wipe and couldn't even touch swordfish in the water without the uber tough seahorses adding in en masse.
RE: Swordfish Tooth in Revamped Siren's Grotto
Dec 21 2003 at 8:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Me and 3 guildies hit sirens today, we had 4 or 5 teeth drop, easy
RE: Swordfish Tooth in Revamped Siren's Grotto
Dec 15 2003 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I went to SG with a raid party. We had some bad luck on the way as some of the people had never been to CS and were kos to Claws of Veeshan. So we had a few corpse runs. Luckily COV love me and I was the one with the click stick. We went into the water but I had trouble getting heals off as I wasn't used to healing while underwater, and if you stand on land and try to cast a spell on someone in the water it will not hit. :-( My spells kept failing to cast. I would start to cast and they would take forever or say they were interrupted even though I was standing still. I got aggro at one point and I jumped my cowardly arse out of the water and onto the land. I know it may seem like a chicken way to do things, but seriously, if you are in the water getting your behind kicked by a seahorse, jump out of the water and give yourself some time to recover. I was surprised that nobody else seemed to know to do this. We only killed about 5 mobs before our MT had to leave for a family emergency so we split up the loot and left. One swordfish tooth dropped and nobody else wanted it so it was mine all mine. :-) Btw, Burin is returned to you on successful combine (possibly on failure as well). Oh, and even with 255 Wis, C3 on, jc at 173 and a geerlok gemsetter in primary slot, I failed the first jc combine twice. So I would recommend getting jc to maybe 180.
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RE: Swordfish Tooth in Revamped Siren's Grotto
Dec 11 2003 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
103 posts
I solo'd the sword fish tooth with my 63 enchanter...zone in at first water area jump in water and tash a seahorse then charm it...then pull swordfish with slow and haste your pet...let seahorse kill swordfish...then I zone out and back in jump in water loot swordfish....got my tooth on first pull...had more trouble getting my runed sea shell than the tooth...
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RE: Swordfish Tooth in Revamped Siren's Grotto
Nov 18 2003 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
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... whew! The wife and I finally managed to do this last night. Our group consisted of 56 Cleric, 54 Cleric, 63 Wizard, 65 Shammy, and 65 SK, and 61 Bard. We managed to keep everyone healed with a couple dicey moments. We hunted right in the first pool after the zone in. We didn't have more than 2 adds at any given time, thank goodness and got both teeth we needed in about 10 swordfish kills or so.
RE: Swordfish Tooth in Revamped Siren's Grotto
Nov 05 2003 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
6 posts
Yes and it seems to be a common drop from all swordfish (well it was common when I was hunting them anyway, 3 kills and 2 teeth dropped). This is on the Maelin server. Recommend to bring a chanter with you the seahorses love to party.
Party consisted of 65 chanter, 65 cleric(me), 65 bard, 64 necro, and 50ish druid (BOT of bard). We had no troubles and in about 10-15 mins got 2 teeth to drop (me and necro were happy). BTW we fought them near the CS zoneline.

Edited, Wed Nov 5 15:26:18 2003
Details
Feb 03 2003 at 8:05 PM Rating: Default
144 posts
Only the single-charge EB Runed Sea Shell from inside Siren's Grotto works.

The prayer to Brell must be said at the foot of the LEFT stairs up to the altar as you face it.

The pattern drops in front of the altar, right in the middle, without fail every time. You don't need to spam the prayer but make sure you spell if EXACTLY as it is in the prayer, getting every cap and every punctuation mark precisely correct.

Diepen
Druid of the 61st season
Karana server
Runed Sea Shell
Jan 21 2003 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
6 posts
I am going to ask the same question that was asked earlier, but was not answered. I have the same question...
According to what I have read, you need a Runed Sea Shell with 1 charge of EB for this quest. I cannot seem to find one with only 1 charge, they all have 5. Is this the same thing?

I have one with 5 charges and need to know if I can use it or is there one with just 1 charge on it? Did Verant in their infinite wisdom add 4 charges to this item to make it 5?

Please, if anyone knows let me know so I don't waste more time killing trying to find one with a single charge.

Thank you.

Tienea Bubbells
Druid 56th level
Terris-Thule

RE: Runed Sea Shell
Feb 15 2003 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
You are looking at the Runed seashell necklace-- that is the one with 5 charges--dropped in CS

The one you need is just a Runed seashell, not the necklace--that is dropped in SG hope this helps.

Cnut

Edited, Sat Feb 15 01:23:00 2003
RE: Runed Sea Shell
Jan 29 2003 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent
11 posts
Only one that works is the one with 1 charge
RE: Runed Sea Shell
Jan 24 2003 at 4:29 PM Rating: Decent
10 posts
I haven't started my hunt yet for the runed seashell, just succesfully combined 6th last night. Plan on looking for the shell tonite, but from my understanding. This Runed SeaShell with a single EB charge, is found on sirens in SG. I think the 5 charge EB item is found in CS. (please correct me if i'm wrong here folks).
RE: Runed Sea Shell
Mar 10 2003 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
5 posts
The single charge shell and 5 charge necklace both drop in SG
Down right sick
Jan 03 2003 at 8:40 AM Rating: Default
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I just started doing the shawl quest this week and finished my 6th shawl tonight. I did the attempt with a 119 tailoring and a tailoring Geerlok and succeeded. Talk about dumb luck. I figured what the heck if I failed I'd go hunting sirens again. But I can't believe my luck!
Royal Kromrif Blood
Sep 12 2002 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
11 posts
First 4 shawls were a blast to do, not bad drops to collect, all in all great time doing. 5th was a pain gathering all those wurm biles and threads from silk. Got most of mine at lvl 30 but started finding it becoming a pain so went about leveling for a while. Finally level 54 came around and I buckled down and completed my fifth shawl. 6th was only tough due to the trivial value, so I had to do a lot of boosts to my tailering to finally be able to click combine. Got impatient and tried at 151 skill, failed. Tried again at 158 skill, got lucky and have my 6th. 7th doesnt seem bad except for one thing. Royal Kromrif Blood, either going to have to get a group or two together and do kael (hoping its not camped) or buy it for 5k. Really makes it so you dont want to fail the combine hehe. Looking forward to trying my hand at 8th shawl. Especially now that its Flowing thought III and 20% increased buff duration.
Re: Question and Clarification
May 20 2002 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
10 posts
I see you have problems with the 6th shawl, so I thought this might help. I didn't see this posted here anywhere else here.

I finished my 6th shawl yesterday... after which I proceeded to destroy my Drakkel Wolf Whiskers and the one Siren's Hair I had accumulated so far. I also sold my Woven Frost Giant Beard to a vendor and still have 4 Manticore Manes in the bank in case someone on my server still needs them. I used none of these to complete the Embroidered Prayer Shawl!

Here is what you need:

- 2 Velium Bits
- Sandalwood
- Shawl Pattern (given to you by Betti Frostreaver in Thurg)
- 5th Shawl

Velium bits are made by combining 2 small pieces of velium (the stackable kind - but don't stack them to combine) and a Coldain Velium Temper in a forge - this is trivial for me at 82 Blacksmithing.

- You can obtain the small pieces of velium in CC, Velks, ToFS and Icewell Keep.

- You can buy the Coldain Velium Temper from Nimren Stonecutter in Thurg (shop at 41, -111 near mines) at about 40pp, depending on CHA.

- Sandalwood, an alchemy supply, can be bought in Shadow Haven from either Kolburn Inglewort (176, 632) or Zimloro Jalobottle (-414, 1426). Each piece costs around 140pp, again depending on CHA. You can also buy this in Cabillis, Freeport, Felwithe, Grobb, Halas, Kaladim, Katta, RV and Shar Vahl.

Make 2 Velium Bits (cost for 2 about 80p) and buy 1 piece of Sandalwood (cost 140p). Combine these in a forge to make a Spool of Sacred Coldain Thread. I succeeded on first try with 82 smithing.

Then simply combine the Spool of Sacred Coldain Thread with the shawl pattern and your 5th shawl in your coldain tanner's kit to obtain your 6th shawl! I succeeded on first try with 142 tailoring and holding a tinkered sewing contraption. :)

SO, if you have a bit of money to spend and dread the thought of hunting sirens, do the above before they nerf it. It's gotta be a mistake by Verant, right? They wouldn't make something easier for us, right??!??!
RE: Re: Question and Clarification
Aug 31 2002 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
52 posts
I did this method before they nerfed it for my 6th shawl and it worked great but yes they have 'nerfed' it. My reason for writing this is to all those people who have the post nerf'ed spools, Do Not Throw Them Away! If you look up the protection of the cabbage (potc) quest one of the nine gifts needed is a Blessed Fishing Rod. The spool that is made by combining 1 sandalwood and 2 velium bits in a forge is used to make the blessed fishing rod. You could prob sell the spool and at least get some of your pp back if you make the spool and it doesn't work for your shawl.
Just wanted to let peeps know cause I saw the one post where someone said that the spool was worthless, prob be able to sell in the bazaar.
RE: Re: Question and Clarification
Aug 30 2002 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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This combine is no longer valid.But if you made the thread with this method prior to the nerf the thread will still work.You cannot make them anymore though.
RE: Re: Question and Clarification
Jul 27 2002 at 2:18 AM Rating: Decent
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According to EQ Traders, this method no longer works. (sorry) it now creates a spool instead of the desired thread.
RE: Re: Question and Clarification
Jun 21 2002 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Very disappointed to say that this has been nerfed. Combining sandalwood and velium bits now yield a Spool (magic item), and not the Spool of Sacred Coldain Thread. Tried to combine with the pattern and 5th shawl, and of course didn't work. Can't even sell the Spool back to vendors as it is worthless. Bah!

Edited, Fri Jun 21 11:34:32 2002
RE: Re: Question and Clarification
Jun 02 2002 at 4:02 AM Rating: Good
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I wish to announce that this method still works on Tholluxe Paels as of 06-01-02 when I reworked my fifth shawl into my sixth shawl on my first attempt skill level 160.

Uhm now to pull shark teeth.
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RE: Re: Question and Clarification
May 25 2002 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks that's really a better way :)

But for the prices, with a little CHA buff :
temper = 26pp 5gp
sandalwood = 84pp

Got mine at first try with 152 tayloring, made me increase to 153.
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Question and Clarification
May 15 2002 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
38 posts
There is a question that I can't seem to find an answer to, but I am still looking. According to what I have read, you need a Runed Sea Shell with 1 charge of EB for this quest. I cannot seem to find one with only 1 charge, they all have 5. Is this the same thing?

NOW I have seen some mention of repairing faction with Coldain by killing giants in GD, EW and Kael. I have hunted Kael quite a bit and have some pieces of quest armor from Thurgadin that drops in Kael. I have yet to see a Kael Giant give me faction for Coldain. I have hunted the entire main route between zones and the arena. I haven't fought in the area opposit the arena so I can't say for sure if they do. The best place to repair faction for Coldain, and trust me on this cause I hunted missionaries in EW for 3 months straight and was ally with Kael, is WL. Yes, EW and GD give faction, but not as much as WL.

I am working on getting the 6th done, I have failed 3 times probably because my tailoring isn't were it should be. I just got my fletching for the 7th shawl to 202 because fletching is the EASIEST skill to max cheaply. May next conquer is Tailoring, hoping to get it up in the HIGH 100's in a couple of days. This is easy because I have a chanter and can make the viscious mana, but need money to do this. For some reason, money is ALWAYS the object.

Good luck to those that are working on it and those that will be.
RE: Question and Clarification
Jul 27 2002 at 2:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I suspect this is too late for you, but for other readers might be useful. EQ Traders has lots of information on how to raise tailoring, but this is how I did it:

Raw Silk til caps were trivial. (Just farm spiders)
Cured Silk til caps were trivial.
Thurgadin Silk Tailoring (using silk from Crystal Caverns Spiders... lots of them) caps, then eventually tunics.
Finally Wu's to 158.

Realize, I am also an enchanter. But, the Heady Kiolas needed for Wu's, and the money made cured to Wu's more than I could handle.

Even so, this took months of silk farming. Friends love to insert various pelts and make leather armor for some of the steps. I prefer to farm silk. (EK, Upper Guk, and of course CC)
RE: Question and Clarification
Jun 02 2002 at 4:10 AM Rating: Good
92 posts
Uhm not to question your plans, but if you plan on getting tailoring to the high 158, (highest level of Wu armor). You must have a healthy stash of cash. If you are planning on 180-190 range, you better have cash and a healthy guild devoted to your cause. For most of us tailors getting to 158 has taken months, and before Luclin and Acrylia Armor, previous tailors took months and 1000's of pp to get near 200. Man, I sure hope you got a new route! Been at this for about a year now and still only 160. JC held at 191 until I get tailoring to 201, hopefully in a few more months now that Acryla Armor is available.

Yes, you did say you were getting short on cash, hehe. At 4+pp each those pearls get annoying, but far less annoying than the relentless slaughtering of every spider you see for their silk. It took me weeks of practice to NOT stop and kill spiders whenever I travel through EK. =-) I got a couple of stacks of silk in the bank for the purported purpose of having some on hand for any monks that come calling for Wu Armor. Had to explain my unreasonable behavior somehow.

Edited, Sun Jun 2 05:19:20 2002
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RE: Question and Clarification
Nov 05 2002 at 3:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
At 4+pp each those pearls get annoying, but far less annoying than the relentless slaughtering of every spider you see for their silk.

For silk farming, I recommend a pet class with the appropriate ceramic band (black ceramic band in my case, but there's one for each of the int-caster classes, so this should work fine with a magician or even enchanter). Having to chase down spiders, or replenish arrows or mana, would be annoying indeed. Even the few mana to pull them with a level 1 spell will add up if you never sit down, so the ring helped make the process tolerable. If you can just click your ring on them and then loot when the pet gets done killing them, the silk farming is barely worse than making four zillion kiolas.
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RE: Question and Clarification
May 15 2002 at 6:47 PM Rating: Default
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Edited, Wed May 15 19:52:39 2002
RE: Question and Clarification
May 15 2002 at 6:48 PM Rating: Default
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Edited, Wed May 15 19:53:01 2002
success
May 02 2002 at 7:10 PM Rating: Default
Finished this a few days ago, to let you know i don't think buffs do jack s h i t.... I failed 2 times on the 6th shawl, first 2 tries i was fully buffed and last time 0 buffs and was a success or luck....anyway here were my skills when i was successful on the 7th shawl, and note this, 0 buffs

174 brewing <all combines trivial>
195 fletching <all combines trivial>
157 jewel craft <all combines trivial>
181 pottery <all combines trivial>
144 tailoring <shawl combine was not trivial>

56 Preserver
Couple of questions
May 01 2002 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
2 posts
Can the evil races (DE's, Iksars, Ogres etc...) do this line of quests? Im a DE Cleric and I want to try this quest, but I dont like going places where Im KoS. If I am KoS where the quests starts, anyone know how to bring up faction there?

Any help is appreciated.
RE: Couple of questions
May 14 2002 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Unless you've gone around killing Coldain dwarves or their wolves, evil races are not kos in Thurgadin, or to any of the Coldain. You should be able to wander freely in Thurg and get the quests. If you have messed up your faction, spend lots of time kiling giants or Drakkel Dire wolves in GD, EW, or Kael to get your faction back.

Smoosher Underphoot
52nd season Ogre Oracle
Veeshan
Does Mana Regen Stack
Mar 30 2002 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a question regarding Mana Regeneration spells and items.
DO all these different types of mana regens actually stack with one another? For instance, if I have Form of the Howler (which has Mana Regen, though very low form) then I have this item with Flowing THought, and let's say a friend of mine casts Clarity or Clarity II. Will they all stack?
Does one cancel the other and if so which ones don't stack?
Thanks for any info you may have.

(uummmm Sayden?... In the dictionary under redundant it says "See --redundant")
RE: Does Mana Regen Stack
Apr 22 2002 at 5:22 PM Rating: Default
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FT items stack. But (I think) FT items of the same lvl do not stack. So ft1 item1 + ft1 item2 = ft1. They stack up to 15 total mana per tick I am told.
RE: Does Mana Regen Stack
Sep 09 2002 at 2:10 PM Rating: Default
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I think that WAS the way... Now all FT items stack to 15... It would be counter productive to have ft 1 + ft 1 = ft1. Verant finally realized that and fixxed it. So any FT stacks with any other FT until a maximum of 15. And you can take that to Thurgadin bank.

Edited, Mon Sep 9 14:56:34 2002
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RE: Does Mana Regen Stack
Apr 27 2002 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Cool, thank you for the info :-)
some people have too much time on their hands.. lol
Mar 07 2002 at 12:29 AM Rating: Decent
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im not sure which is worse.. that you guys are arguing over the idea of doing this quest based on reward/cost. or that i actually took 15 minutes out of my life to read the entire line of posting under the kewl picture i look at to remind myself why im still doing the prayer shawl quests.

tonight i finished my 5th shawl.. after having 4 of the 5 silks combined for the total combine. i needed 1 more wurm bile. for 3 days straight i slain every wurm that spawned outside the south side cave and not 1 bile dropped.. i got a group together tonight and was going to raid the crystaline wurms so i could have xp while trying for bile, but i got extremely lucky and the 2nd wurm into the cave dropped the bile i needed.

my tailoring wasnt at the trivial skill level for the combine. but i said to myself if i fail this combine. i am not going to make mroe than the 4th shawl. i will get me one of them good old kedge keep 8 wis 5 ac prayer shawls. but tonight I got the 5th. and let me tell you.. compared to the braided ivy cords i was running around with at level 58.. this 5th shawl blows it out of the water. and when i complete the 6th. still have to get hair in siren grotto.. that's going to blow this one out of the water.

it's all about having a good time, and feeling good about yourself when you do what YOU wanted.

we set goals.. then when we complete the goal we evaluate if it was worth the time and energy. i can tell you for me. the 3 days i spent getting the last stupid bile from the wurms was worth it.
but that's just my opinion i could be wrong.

virr lonelyheart
druid
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Got it!
Mar 04 2002 at 10:41 AM Rating: Default
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Fashioned the 7th Coldain Prayer Shawl on my first attempt:

WIS 243 (buffed)
INT 114
DEX 186 (buffed)

168 Brewing
183 Pottery
175 Fletching
158 Tailoring
172 JewelCraft

57 Preserver and Protector of the Glade
Fate's Union, Solusek Ro

Honestly
Nov 18 2001 at 8:18 PM Rating: Default
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In my oppinion this shawl isnt worth the time it takes for only 1 mana point per tick. The stats ARE nice, but homestly, how long would it take to complete this quest.

Aarop Crystalyn
Sol Ro
RE: Honestly
Mar 25 2002 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Time is ALL WE HAVE
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RE: Honestly
Mar 25 2002 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Comeon this is Everquest, and Obviously you have ne quad kitig and run our of mana, wouldnt YOU want that extra Tick of mana every 6 seconds, and the stats alone are worht it, i would trade in my Ivy Braids any time i could for one of these bad boy's.

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RE: Honestly
Dec 04 2001 at 2:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Look at the other items that have 7int or 7wis for shoulders. Now look at how you get them.
That alone makes this shawl more than worth it. Any time you can squeeze more int/wis onto those rarely considered slots (shoulders, gloves, feet, wrists) you can dump even more resists onto your ears, fingers, head, face, etc..

+1 mana/tick too slow? Not when you're standing to prevent drawing aggro in a long fight, not when you're a necromancer and Feigned, not when you go oom on a mob and if Only you had enough to re-root could get that quest item/exp/new gear.

And most importantly, this is NOT the last shawl.
The gent who does these quests already said it would go till a 10th shawl, but they have had him busy with Luclin. It comes out today, so we should see the 8th-10th shawl quests soon.

10th shawl :
10ac, 10int, 10wis, 10sta, 10agi, 10cha
10vsFire, 10vsCold, 10vsPoi, 10vsDis 10vsMag
Effect : Flowing thought IV

..bet I'm close on this ;)
RE: Honestly
Jan 05 2002 at 3:27 AM Rating: Decent
30 posts
Don't forget the 7 CHA... /drool hehe

Karm / 56 Enc
RE: Honestly
Dec 09 2001 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
41 posts
Probably will have effect like "Coldain Spirit" based on Ring quest that will give a LOT more mana regen and involve a huge 10th quest.... Verent..... they give so many things to big guilds
RE: Honestly
Apr 17 2002 at 2:05 AM Rating: Decent
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110 posts
Actually, the early rings require many large group (or one bard... freaks) =P efforts. I think the only real trade skill I noticed (the tailoring is a joke in that) is the brewing (Like that is REALLY a tradeskill anyway). But anyhow, this requires tons and tons of tradeskills, and some few rather annoying drops. But overall, quite possible to do solo for some, and duo for most.

--Note, I haven't reached 7 and SG yet, but have already purchased the Kromriff Blood, and hope to grab a Sea shell soon; so I like to think all future large kills will also be NO DROP, making this a item you buy with MUCH time, and MUCH cash (JC / Tailoring)
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RE: Honestly
Nov 28 2001 at 2:38 PM Rating: Default
37 posts
You're right, what good is unlimited mana regen when standing... this item rocks and the quest has been alot of fun so far!
RE: Honestly
Nov 28 2001 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
37 posts
I'm just starting shawl 4 and have spent a good 12 hours on this quest so far. I didnt buy any heads/toes, only looted a grif egg for \$ once and I'm including the time to raise my trade skills.
RE: Honestly
Jul 04 2005 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Starting Shawl 4 here, as well... 55 Druid, spent like two hours quadding giants in GD before I had the faction, heads and toes to get the first two shawls. The third shawl was the real time waster, what with all those baking components you have to accumulate.
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RE: Honestly
Nov 27 2001 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
40 posts
Or, you could think of it as DOUBLING your normal mana regen rate.

RE: Honestly
Dec 01 2001 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
69 posts
Just finished my thrid shawl and I am enjoying this quest line greatly. I like the way trade skills have been put to use and the background story that unfolds. To all those that are thinking about doing this quest , I suggest you do it and take no notice of the people who try and make it seem a worthless item.
good quests
Nov 13 2001 at 4:33 AM Rating: Excellent
53 posts
All I have to say is that once I get a high enough level to actually do this quest, I'm going to. Why might you ask? Well, because I think there ought to be more of these skill related quests out there. I think there ought to even be quests that you need language skills for. Maybe for actually reading a book, or speaking with NPC's. Simply stated, I think there ought to be more quests like this that are hard as nails to get, and are impossible to farm. The only thing to show for these quests is blood, sweat, tears, and a shawl that could be your favorite piece of all: something to point to proudly and say, "This was ALL me!" Just my 2cp worth...
RE: good quests
Nov 23 2001 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
92 posts
I agree wholeheartedly with you davisi. I love the game but get very frustrated at times with all the farming and loot hungry people out there. This is the type of quest that makes the game worthwhile. I just finished the third one today and I have a very long way to go before getting the others but I am having a great time at it. Good luck to all those who are making the journey:)
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oh btw
Nov 11 2001 at 5:21 PM Rating: Excellent
12 posts
To all doing this
best info i seen on this
cmon now
Nov 11 2001 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
12 posts
Why all the haggle here people?Iam going to do this(no kidding,got the 4th and speeding up)
and i need not to justify myself to anyone.So,all the people doing this,dont read all the discouragment stuff,its not like there's anything that would help you in any way.
So,why do this quest?
Cause i feel like it.

Is there anything else that needs to be said?
Taryen 47 druid
Mana Regen
Nov 09 2001 at 10:09 PM Rating: Default
71 posts
This adds up to 600mana per hour it regens... Every little bit helps tho =)
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For the Haters
Oct 25 2001 at 5:05 PM Rating: Good
Anonymous
1 mana/tick.
1 tick = 6 seconds.
10 mana/minute,
600 mana/hour.

How many hours you log last night?
Got my Shawl :)
Sep 21 2001 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
9 posts
I am so proud to have finished this quest! I think it's got to be the best quest I've seen. I love the fact that it was based on my own accomplishments and that I had to develop a lot of different skills.

A lot of people helped me (can anyone say Siren's Grotto?). Fonodila, Ravenwing, Worff, Imagin, Krakka in my guild (Astral Alliance). A lot of nice people in Familjen, a lot of Veeshan's Fury (especially Jerien and Maelak / Rylak - who gave me two Royal Kromrif Bloods).

I'd love to see more quests based on skills. My only complaint is that as a High Elf, it's impossible to get your tailoring up past 158, unless you fail on combine and go to 159 like I did :)

Thanks to all - I love my runed coldain prayer shawl!

Aelanor Dreamspirit
RE: Got my Shawl :)
Oct 14 2001 at 3:48 AM Rating: Decent
3 posts
i don't understand.. why is it impossible to get past 158 unless you fail and get a point at the same time?
RE: Got my Shawl :)
Oct 19 2001 at 7:45 AM Rating: Default
Anonymous
Because Tailoring is incredibly difficult to level up beyond the Level of Wu's (which trivials at 158), the only next step (apart from wood elf and halfling cultural armour) is the various Velious armours and these don't trivial above 250, hence to raise you skill above 158 your looking at huge amounts of time and money.
RE: Got my Shawl :)
Aug 06 2003 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
78 posts
Allow me to disagree,

LoY Golden ribbon recipes and Soft fur Padding can raise Tailoring in the 170s, for a small if not no feeat all

Edited, Wed Aug 6 11:06:52 2003
RE: Got my Shawl :)
Aug 06 2003 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
Sage
3,705 posts
Yes, but these posts were made back in 2001, before LoY ribbons, before 8th shawl quest, and even before Acrylia studded/reinforced were added to the game. back then, the jump was straight from Wu's at 158, to velious leathers, which trivial above 250, and were pretty much just throwing away materials at 158 skill.
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RE: Got my Shawl :)
Aug 09 2003 at 2:07 AM Rating: Decent
78 posts
Oops,

Shut up Solo :p
Mnayar, Posted: Oct 26 2001 at 1:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)
Final Shawl?
Sep 04 2001 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
14 posts
If I am reading the quest right, this is the last shawl in the quest.
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RE: Final Shawl?
Sep 18 2001 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
71 posts
Currently, yes it is the last of the quests. However, a recent post from Steve Burke states:

"I regret that I was unable to complete the implementation of the final quests for the Coldain Shawl before Luclin production began. It's still my intention to implement the remaining segments, but my current workload has forced me to postpone its completion. I hope you'll feel the remaining portion was worth the wait.

Steve Burke"

However, the cool thing with these shawls, is that there is an ADDITIONAL stat added to each shawl, as well as, each stat going up by +1.

For example, the 6th shawl has +6 to everything and has + stamina added. The 7th shawl has +7 to everything and has + sv poison too.

I imagine, that if these shawls go upto say 10, we probably will end up seeing + str, + sv disease and + sv magic (hopefully), or maybe + agi instead of str.

Anyways, these are excellent quests and I can't wait to get started on them :)
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explorium, Posted: Sep 18 2001 at 4:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) N/T
Sep 03 2001 at 6:18 PM Rating: Decent
4 posts
if the screen shot is true look at the effect flowing thought I <--- number 1 then if its true that is gona have a 10th shawl this number gona surely goes up like the coldain ring.. that will make at least 4 mp per tick... better than a breeze! and always stackable with clarity line spell. and i could guess that 1 or 2 stat gona be added too or could be fun if all stat and save gona be there...

Lets dream while we can

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dont forget shaman
Sep 03 2001 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
4 posts
sure does a +1 mana per tick is not so great but with the stats that make a wondrous item for shaman or any class with hp mp converter. hp regen is good I will do the coldain ring quest too. The cause is with a regen on the ring (hope that can be stack with regen spell line) and a caniblalize that ratio is near 2hp give 1mp the ring and a chloroblast make a regen near 20hp per tick... that make near 9 to 10 mp per tick without a clarity line spell and with this shawl... Shaman gona be a mana fountain!

Keep the blood of your enemies. If you are out of booze you gona need it.

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TemplarX, Posted: Aug 31 2001 at 2:33 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's funny, most people think Flowing Thought 1 is more mana regen than it really is. It's self BREEZE - that's 1 point of mana regen per tick or 100 mana over 10 minutes! That's NOTHING. I have a spell which i got at lvl52 that gives me the same effect, the mana regen isn't noticable at ALL. Quest is worthless unless you need it for the resists\int\wis\cha NOT the effect. I'd much rather spend my time and money getting something better for my shoulders.
RE: Sux!
Sep 03 2001 at 2:41 AM Rating: Decent
58 posts
Well the point is that it stacks with all other mana regen buffs and even C2 is "only" 11 points per tick (must be worthless since its only 10 times the amount of breeze).

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XakalMezzalot, Posted: Jul 19 2001 at 3:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) There is only 1 thing to say about this shawl...Enchanter's Dream!
quazzi, Posted: Jul 26 2001 at 12:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) whoever said this is an enchanters dream is an idiot.. so what if it has cha and int ...LOL ... YOU DONT need the effect idiot. Out of all casters and priest you need it the least.
RE: Only 1 thing to say....
Aug 07 2001 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
111 posts
yes it is good for an enchanter. just as its good for any other caster.

she/he wasnt saying its BETTER for an enchanter than any other caster, just that its really good for his/her class.
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Yumil, Posted: Aug 03 2001 at 2:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) this manna rengen stacks with clarity and bard songs so it is a good item
RE: Only 1 thing to say....
Aug 03 2001 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
12 posts
this manna rengen stacks with clarity and bard songs so it is a good item

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RE: Only 1 thing to say....
Jul 31 2001 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
140 posts
Any casting class would like this, including enchanters, clerics etc. So what if chanters have clarity. Most high lvl groups have a chanter with them so you have clarity too. Mana regen is good for all.

Dalcron Spellfury 51 Chanter. The Tribunal
Hoihoihoi, Posted: Jul 29 2001 at 9:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) /agree quazzi
Skipperkey, Posted: Jul 16 2001 at 3:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok, there are a few alternatives to this item and I guess by the time you are high enough to complete this and have a good enough guild you could go for the other stuff. The main items I found with the same or better Wisdom were found in PoA, ToV, and Kedge Keep. 3 zones that from what I have heard are not so easy. <---insert sarcasm here. I'm going to try to do this quest, I have the baking high enough to do the first 3 steps but I need to do some leveling and training to go much higher than that. Just a note, I looked specifically for Cleric +WIS stuff and not any other class and I found just 5 or so things with the same or better Wisdom and the add on stats. Just some info for those who are less informed.
RE: Alternatives? (LOL)
Aug 07 2001 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
4 posts
the interesting thing on this item is the effect ... not the wis :) ... if you gain a high enough level, you have enough highlevel wis items ... but youre right 7 wis is nice, too :)
Xaoalo, Posted: Jul 15 2001 at 10:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) /em tackles %t *targeting Ihnanna*
Intelligent complaints..
Jul 14 2001 at 10:12 PM Rating: Excellent
74 posts
It's nice that some people have taken so much time to write a 10 page philisophical debate on risk vs. reward, or how extra mana is not worth is.
I'm not going to repeat other's posts on 'don't do the quest' if you don't like it, because some people just like to complain, no matter what.
I'm an enchanter, and I TRY to be almost out of mana, whenever the oppertunity presents itself.
Extra mana means I get to do more stuff.. stuff like stun mobs, or cast sentinal to annoy others, or use all my illusions in any given group..
There is a ROLEPLAYING factor to everything, but most people see everquest as a 'video game' and NOT a roleplaying game.
I have spent most of the time on my charcter learning languages, helping people, learning tradeskills, and exploring places I don't belong, and loseing levels for it.
I enjoy spending hours on trade skills.. it gives my charcter definition.. sure, I could be 10 levels higher if I would have spent the time leveling instead of working on trade skills, but I like the idea of having my charcter be a master at something..
He has invested part of his life, for whatever roleplaying reasons I choose.. perhaps my inky ass likes to knit, or likes to have drinking contests with dwarves, with ale of my own creation, or perhaps I like to make beautiful jewlery for my in-game (and IRL) fiancee?
I started playing everquest because it was like traditional role playing games in that you can invest a lot of time on side quests, or building skills that are not essential, but just add charcter and flavour to the persona you adopt when you play.
That's roleplaying.
Of course, I'd love it all the more if that jewlery would show up, or everythign that you made with tailoring would show up perfectly with each class/race.. and hopefully that will come soon.
But right now I'm content with at least the concept of creating..
I'm a master of a skill, and an apprentice of others.. I'm an enchanter because I like to controle the enviroment of battle, change my appearance, manipulate minds, and imbue items with magical powers.
It just goes with the general idea of the game.
Yes, the items in question have decent stats, and yes, they are helluva time consuming to get.
But would you rather wear something that you can say 'yes, I spent countless hours, and I created this item by myself, after spending the time befriending the nation of dwarves, helping them in their endless struggle' or 'umm.. I was lucky and won a roll on some phat l3wt! '
It's all in perception, and why you are playing the game.
If you dont' like somethign, don't do it. If you don't have the time to invest, or you would rather be leveling, do that instead.
It's not like you are FORCED to do this quest, or any other.
You can power play your charcter through 50+ levels, never learning any skills, or doing more than a quest or two.. I have a friend who has done just that.. he leveled quite a bit faster than I did, and he's still over 12 levels higher than me.. but I guarentee that I've enjoyed my time quite a bit more.
I've made countless friends, I've helped numouous people.. I get tells all the time from people I don't know, asking questions about skills, or class/race issues, and I happily take a little time to talk to them, letting them know whatever it is they are asking for.
There might not be a lot of risk in trade skills (for the most part, at least), but the time invested alone makes it all worth while.
After all, would you rather win lucky rolls, from a few rare spawns, or have equipment that might be equal or greater (in some cases, just below an equivalant item that would drop) that you made, and have invested in more than an hour camping a spawn, or a lucky /rand ?
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RE: Intelligent complaints..
Sep 20 2001 at 11:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I also play an enchanter that is more interested in roleplaying than lvling. I have a warrior that was started months after my chanter that has half the playtime, but close to double the lvl. Quests like this one are about the roleplaying, and the satisfaction of having a trophy to show for it.

Take the time to smell the roses..... is gardening a skill yet?
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RE: Intelligent complaints..
Jul 15 2001 at 2:33 PM Rating: Default
28 posts
Cant believe i am seeing this! /rubs eyes OMG! it's Xaoalo! Hun, where have yew been? I've been looking to do this quest as well, message me sometime :) i've missed yew.

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Good for hybrids?
Jul 11 2001 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
10 posts
I just learned about the Insignia Ring quests, so I'm going to do those for sure. The real question is how beneficial is the shawl to non-pure casters? INT is a plus in my estimation, and should I reach this one here I think Flowing Thought I may have a decent effect on my much smaller mana pool. So has any hybrids out there managed to work on both ring and shawl? Or just stick with ring?

All info is appreciated :)

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Damn cool
Jul 09 2001 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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This quest is for bored level 60's who have something to do when not raiding.

And to take PP out of the economy.

I am 60, spent lots of plat, and have this shawl.

Stats and resists are nice, but you guys are forgetting there will be more steps and better shawls.

The tailoring trivial at 190 for shawl 6 is to "weed" out the unworthy and uncommitted. Or else everyone and their sister will have one.

My tailoring is 155 and it took me 9 tries to do Shawl 6. BTW was easier to just gather the shawl components again rather than try to raise my tailoring to 190!! Got lucky on combine for the 7th first try.

Anyways, this is the most rewarding piece I wear, and i have lots of stuff (epic included). That is because I made it with my own hands.

Daneric
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I am astounded by the intellect....
Jul 03 2001 at 4:36 AM Rating: Decent
23 posts
I have a couple of things to say:

1. If you don't like the quest, don't do it.

2. This is a good shoulder item for any caster.

3. If you gather some materials before you go to camp gear or hunt, during downtime, you can work on the trade skills necessary to complete this quest.

4. If you don't have anything remotely intelligent to add to the forum on an item and are just going to rant on and on about how you think you got screwed, don't post.

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RE: I am astounded by the intellect....
Jul 07 2001 at 9:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have a couple of things to say:

"1. If you don't like the quest, don't do it. "
Good philosophy.

"2. This is a good shoulder item for any caster."
And the necro epic is a good item for any necro. The issue isn't whether or not the item is good, it's that buzzphrase Verant likes to throw around so much "risk vs. reward" or time invested vs. reward, in this case. The necro epic for it's difficulty isn't half as grand as most of the other epics. The darkness effect cast time is too slow, and the time that it runs is too fast. Every necro who I have ever seen with their epic never used it while grouped simply because their snare was totally unreliable. Likewise, it was improbable for them soloing, as the cast time on it is so hideous they can't pull with it, and casting it in the middle of combat means their pet is gettin' it's arse kicked. Is it still a good item? Of course. The issue here is whether the item is good for what's required to do it.

"3. If you gather some materials before you go to camp gear or hunt, during downtime, you can work on the trade skills necessary to complete this quest."

This is indeed when most folks do their tradeskilling. But the sixth and thus seventh, coldain prayer shawl requires a 190 tailoring. Hrm. I spoke with a fellow tradeswoman tailor on Tunare the other evening, her tailoring is 190, the exact trivial for the sixth step. We exchanged woes and triumphs, I showed her my elven chain, she showed me her black panther tunic. I asked her "how long do you think you have spent on tailoring?" "Hours?" "Hours." "Hundreds."

Now, this is a woman who has vehemently pursued tailoring, as her 190 skill would indicate. For those unenlightened in tailoring the amount of time getting to the 150ish level of Wu's is immense, countless hours of farming after farming after farming. I've spent about 20 hours alone in Crystal Caverns by myself churning out those crystalline silk swatches, and I still have 20 points to go... mind you, this is the lowest skill bracket past master in tailoring. The trivial levels past Wu's are incredible, I encourage you to go seek out yew leaves in Wakening Lands. Spend not hours farming, which is slightly interactive, or buying, where you can watch the auctions go past... But wandering, spend 20 hours looking for ground spawns and walk away with five, ten if you're lucky. Now watch each one of those leaves wither in your tailoring kit as your skill level is dozens beneath the trivial level. Do a pricecheck in your local East Commons/Gfay for yew leaves and see how many tells you get asking to buy them. Better yet, try to buy them for hours, good luck. Oh, and most tailors would assure you that black panther is probably the easiest post wu's velious tailoring to skill on.

Tailoring is not something you just "work on in your spare time" it is your time if you choose to pursue it. Do I dislike tailoring? No, I'm working on it now. Am I bitching? No, but perhaps you should understand how IMMENSELY time consuming these skills, and particularly tailoring, are.

Now, that is just in reference to the simple items. Let's discount the immense amount of time required to get the incredible tailoring, or any of the necessary requirements to even make you viable for doing the quest. You're failing to mention that the hardest parts of the quest you cannot do "in your spare time" gather a party to venture into Siren's Grotto and kill sirens for hours, and more hours, the quest description even includes this in it's instructions that'll you be there awhile.

Now are you starting to understand how immensely time consuming this is? Ok, let's move.

"4. If you don't have anything remotely intelligent to add to the forum on an item and are just going to rant on and on about how you think you got screwed, don't post. "

All of the negative commentary here has been constructive or logical arguments why this item isn't that great. I presume you prefer the posts of "This item roxx0rs my soxxors, I gone git me won!" as you failed to single them out. Let's not forget "I got this item last night, it's coo, I like it, thanks, Soandso, person on some server you'd never disgrace yourself by playing on" But breakdowns of precise mana effects or comparable items isn't even "remotely intelligent"?

In case you haven't noticed, as Nods pointed out, Verant, sometimes, not always, will change something that A) plain sucks, or B) is perceived by the players to just plain suck. This website is an example of that, as it's the primary place where designers of a given item receive feedback for that item.

When enchanted elven chain first hit Allakhazam's everyone went "Holy crap! Pure caster wearble chain mail with semi-decent ok stats! Where do I sign up?!" Then, all the folks from eqtraders.com started posting saying "Hmm, you might not want this, it takes an item worth about 2k per attempt (blue diamond, way more on PvP servers) as well as countless hours of farming rare drops for the temper, it's really hard, and really expensive." Then, people went, wait... It's 3 or so k to just *attempt* this item, and I can get better stats out of an oracle robe and get six of them for that price?!

So what happened? It was changed. It took months, it took a lot of people griping, but none of the cultural enchant metals now require rare mob dropped only gems. An attempt at an elven chain tunic runs about 150 platinum plus a few hours of farming Mistmoore and Steamfont. It was an incredible triumph for people that wanted that change. It's still hard as crap to make cultural armor, but now it's at least remotely viable.

See, that actually happens all the time, folks say "This is really crappy Verant" and Verant then says "No, no, it's really good, look!" and the players say again "This is really hard, and really a pain in the butt." "No, no, it's great!" then a month or two later it's changed.

The effect on flowing thought 1 is minimal, the energy required for this line of quests is on the other hand IMMENSE. All past quests that required skill checks to make the quest item were positively nerfed from (crazy I know) people complaining about them so much and how frustrating it was to lose an item you spent dozens of hours attempting to acquire in a single click of the button. None of those old world quests even begin to compare to the Velious shawl quests, their previous levels were in the range of 80 or so in an easily raised smithing, compare that to 190 in tailoring of all godawful things.

Ok, now back to the item itself. Let's put this in rogue terms:

Let's assume FBSS' didn't rain from the sky and they instead were as rare, or to truly complete the analogy, rarer than cloaks of flame, dropping from gods and Temple of Veeshan nastiness. 20% was the absolute nastiest cap. Now, this quest came along, this identical quest. That allowed you to spend 100s of hours building skill and then finally doing the quest, and it enabled you to get a whooping 5 percent haste modifier. Go through and read each and every one of the quests, 1 through 7. Figure you're going to fail several of them, take that into account, and really consider if you would do that... If you're that crazy and would kill for five percent haste if haste items were that rare, more power to you, most however, would have the good sense not to. Going hasteless, or picking up 50-64 percent from their friendly 'chanter when they had the honor of grouping with them.

Ok, now that you would agree that a five percent damage output is pretty friggin' pointless, and I hope you do... Now, let's take a wizard that acquires 20 mana per tick. This item gives one per tick. Thus, this item would be the equivalent of a 5 percent increase in damage output. In other words, incredibly minimal. With clarity/c2/manasong, the effects become even more minimal, just like if you got this legendary 5 percent haste item, and then got a Swift like the Wind from your friendly Illusionist.

Now if you're of the school of thought that five percent damage increase in a fight is so much, such that you would sacrifice hundreds of hours of your life to acquire said item... Well, go nuts folks. As for the rest of us, I hope these calculations stand out a bit more.

RE: I am astounded by the intellect....
Sep 28 2001 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
32 posts
I don't have time to work on statistics but.. If you've played this game awhile you should realize that.. no that extra 2 Int on your new arm piece isnt that terrific.. no +10 mana on some new thing you got from the planes doesnt make you want to jump up and down.. LIFE, not just this game, is about conquests as Kathrin pointed out.

What you are striving for is the 200 mana as the end result of all the +10 mana items you acquired and the +70 or so points of Int Cha Wis whatever that you acquired. I do not notice much of a difference in +1 or +10 Int. However, when I add up all the stats from all the items I worked hard to obtain.. I *DO* notice.

To sum up the point I am trying to make, one little item with slightly better stats/effects does not make much of a difference, but fill up 17 slots with such items and you notice a huge improvement.

In addition, someone on one of these boards posted the math on how much mana this item gave you per hour. It works out to being a significant amount.
RE: I am astounded by the intellect....
Aug 24 2001 at 2:55 AM Rating: Good
9 posts
oh come on everyone, this is a quest for those who are looking for a challenge. nothing wrong with that at all. personally i wouldnt do it... to frustrating, but i am sure that there are enough people out there that would that this quest should be left alone and the reward should too. one day i may do this quest but it probly wont be until all my charactor slots have lvl 60's in them. =) slim chance of that. umm what was i saying..? oh yeah, the challenge. people would never do this quest for the item, but only for the challenge. thats the whole purpose of this game isnt it?
as someone pointed out, if it was easy to do, everyone would be lvl 60 and decked out in plane armour in a week of play. i personally grit my teeth during all raids i go on, and jump in the air when that named giant drops, even if he drops 5cp and a ration. and i laugh hystaricly when i do a run by on a bat in qeynos. and i feel pride when i give out silk armour to that poor n00b in felwithe, or patchwork to that neked warrior in halas. off the point again aint i? oh well, the point is not everyone plays the game to beat it, or how ever ya look at a unbeatable game such as EQ, some just PLAY the game and enjoy. dont go farm the loot, dont reem that n00b that NEEDS that plus 2 int ring, dont just destroy that nodrop item that some poor soul has been looking for for 4 hours. feel pride in your skills and help others to learn theirs. HELL, go ahead and try that horridly long and involved quest for tha useless item, i am possitive you will like the little trinket you get, even if ya dont use it. it will be a trophy in you vault, a prize for you to gaze upon. i still have a quest item i got at lvl 5, i am still proud of it, totally and utterly useless necklace from a quest in halas. lol, i even carried it with me til lvl 27. just becuz i did it. when people stop doing things like that they lose the reason of playing the game.

Kathrin Spiritbear
Level 42 Shaman of the Tribunal
Knight of the White Rose
Tallon Zek
RE: I am astounded by the intellect....
Aug 01 2001 at 1:01 AM Rating: Decent
117 posts
"In case you haven't noticed, as Nods pointed out, Verant, sometimes, not always, will change something that A) plain sucks, or B) is perceived by the players to just plain suck."

Hehe, can't find what I posted and can't remember what it was, anyone refresh me? ;)

Nods
RE: I am astounded by the intellect....
Jul 12 2001 at 12:53 PM Rating: Default
13 posts
Thank you. No more, No less.
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Sinrok Tuwrath
Loyal Subject of
Evening Reign
tailoring?
Jun 24 2001 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
32 posts
I'm not even going to address how insane it is to complain about extra mana...Getting harvest made my wizard feel useful again..

I just want to know how doable it is to get tailoring up past 158ish? Which is Wu's fighting armor.. I see fleeting quivers until 210 or something. but how likely is it to find that many hq lion skins? Is there anything remotely easier to obtain to build skill?

Rutalia, High Elf Wizard from the 51st Cicle of MAYHEM!!!

Edited, Fri Sep 20 15:20:36 2002
Lol
Jun 18 2001 at 7:09 PM Rating: Default
Anonymous
well i was just wondering that guy complaining about it being only 600mana.Do you actually use icecomit?if anything is pointless its icecomit not the sweet 600extra mana an hour lemme see 2extra draught spells 658dmg each 215mana thats an extra 1316dmg per hour and you still have 50 extra mana left for a root or a gate or something.man you need to stop bitchin

~Zapron~
54wizard
The Rathe
Legend of Marr
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 18 2001 at 7:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)
Couple Quick Points
Jun 17 2001 at 11:42 PM Rating: Good
Anonymous
I cant really talk about the finished product seeing as how I just started part 5 today. I can however look forward to it. I have seen the stats, I have read the posts and I know I WANT this item. Just a few points Id like to share for those of you who seem to have a problem with the result of all your quest time.

1. And this has been said before.......If you dont like it, dont do it.

2. Free mana is free mana. An extra nuke every hour could just save your life.

3. This is the one i find most important. According to what the Loremaster says when you get the 7th shawl there will be more. Who knows what might be added in the next part(s). The new shawl could have a right click clarity effect, a Flowing Thought 2 or 3 effect, a nuke effect, who knows. The quest isnt finished yet, and Im sure that it will get even better. Just give it time. Personally, 7 int and free mana on a shoulder item is good enough for me =)

Tazz Mission
49th Wizard
<Eternal Legends>
Terris-Thule
Jun 16 2001 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
Anonymous
OK you say flowing thought is usless cuz its only a certain amount of mana an hour bla bla bla bla
heres the point i see and you dont... 1 mana per tick weather your standing or sitting... you have almost no mana regen when standing.. i dont know if you even have any while standing... basicaly saying that when im kiteing im still getting that 1 mana a tick.. along with form of the howler it can make the difference at the end of a quad how much med kiting i hafta do for that sliver of health on a vicious raptor... and why bash this item in the first place? it may be only 1 mana but its mana.. not to mention im lvl 55 now... pretty soon im going to start caring a sh*t load more about resists than AC.. rember im a druid not a tank dummy.. if i agro a mob on a raid its my own fault for being stupid by casting when i shouldnt or sitting where i shouldnt.. if you dont like it gooa way
This Quest
Jun 12 2001 at 4:29 AM Rating: Default
Anonymous
Here's a decent suggestion, I just got 75 crystal threads from velk's lab. While hunting there I got 2 crushed onyx sapphires 2 crushed flame emeralds 1 crushed black marble and 1 crushed opal, these gems sell for 1-2k APIECE. Collect the threads, sell your gems and then use the money to jack up all your trade skills. It's working for me, just gotta get my tailoring skill up a bit more before I attempt the combines on the 5th shawl.

Yaldin
55 Evoker
Karana Server
Storms Justice
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 11 2001 at 7:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why does everyone complain about other classes getting stuff? I could careless if I have other classes spells. I am cleric, I have good undead nukes. Soloed specs throughout many levels between 35 and 44. Clerics can solo, you just have to be good at it. And of course after 50 forget about medium or even high blues. Lukcy to solo low blues, but you can do it. I have mastered every trade skil but blacksmithing, and do not mind at all. Although i would rather have spent 2k on clear mana vice JC, I can make good newbie jewery at 170. I am a tailor and have been since i made this character is august of 1999. I enjoy quests and spent alot of trime tediously camping green crap to get materials for trade skills. I can honestly say I spent more time questing and doing tradeskills than I have leveling. Exp? Still got exp at 52 doing shawl 5. All the spiders gave exp while soloing, only shards/devs/hunters while grouped(not sure why). Tacked ona few ncie blue bubs doign soemthing I needed to do anyways plus a nice cache of quest gems. Gonna wax me some sirens and hit the combine on 6 and hope for the best. And 7 will definitely be exp. Can't wait for 8,9 and so on. May need to do some leveling first. So play your character, if you like other classes spel/equip then play that class and leav mine alone. Cleric is the MAIN healer, so if you wanna heal play a cleric =p
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 10 2001 at 12:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)
RE: Why do you people make it so complicated?
Jun 10 2001 at 12:11 PM Rating: Default
Anonymous
In terms of Flowing Thought (clarity line), regen or any of the haste line effects/spells the rules are the same. You can have at MOST three effects running at any time. They are:

1) Item effect
2) Spell effect
3) Song effect

You can NOT stack item effects. You can NOT stack spell effects (for example breeze and clarity and clarityII, or regen and chloro and regrowth). You can NOT stack song effects.

It is pretty simple to remember.

This item has a clarity effect. It will not stack with another item clarity effect. It WILL stack with a clarity spell and/or clarity song.

*Sheesh*

RE: Can so stack
Jun 24 2001 at 2:51 AM Rating: Default
2 posts
RE: Why do you people make it so complicated?
Jun 15 2001 at 5:16 PM Rating: Default
Anonymous
Haste items and spells do stack, but currently bard haste songs do not stack. VI is aware of that, but no fix is in and is considered a low priority. Too bad, too. Just think how nice it would be to add a bard haste song to SLTW and natural item haste. Couldn't imagine how quick an epic monk would be =)
Actually
Jun 11 2001 at 2:00 PM Rating: Default
Anonymous
You can stack some spells but not of the same line like for mana regen say your a cleric you can get Gift of Brilliance, Clarity 2, and Protection of the Glades then also still get mana from a bards song and this item and if a druid they also get mask of the hunter which has a small mana regen component on it also

Ilain
55 Templar
Primal Orders E'ci
There is still more quests coming
Jun 09 2001 at 1:31 PM Rating: Default
Anonymous
I don't understand the people who complain about the effect. It's only the 7th shawl there is still at least 1 more coming maybe 3 more like the Coldain rings. Who knows.

No class is made obsolete by these quest. I bet you C2 will still be better. I don't think this ring can mez the last I checked. This is a utility ring not an end all ring. By the time you can get the last one you will probably be 55+.

I as a druid know that soloing after 55 is basically useless. The ones crying about the druids have never played one. I can't stand soloing anymore, it's boring there is less reward, and I just like being around people.

So quit whining either work the skills and do the quest or don't.
Cool
Jun 09 2001 at 12:25 PM Rating: Default
Anonymous
All I have to say is this item plus Form of the Howler would be the same as Clarity :) As a druid that hardly goes indoors, that is too awsome...free clarity when no chanters around, how can you beat it?
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 09 2001 at 8:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow! only 2 wt? This is a monk item for sure!
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 18 2001 at 11:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) your kidding right? 2 wt? a monk would never wear this pos =)
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 10 2001 at 6:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) your an idiot
RE: druids and clarity
Jun 09 2001 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent
Anonymous
Good grief. Folk read the fine print sometime. Strange that people bitch about druids being able to do a little bit of everything, it was in the job description at beta :) Yes, at a ludicrously high level we get some very low mana regen spells. Yes, we heal, debuff, nuke, buff, keep other people's hinny alive with sow's and such. And we pay for it by being out shined by every other 'pure' casting class. Quite frankly if you are playing any specialized class and getting show up by a druid, in your own area of strength, well... you need to look at your play style again, cause your doing something wrong.I love chanters. Wizards are damage machines (non plane's anyway, cant believe the crud that was done to you guys). Mages, OMG your pets are great, with tons of spells. Shamman I'm so damn jealous of your buffs. Necros, them damn dots of yours are to drool over, not even mentioning pets. Clerics, sheesh makes my piddly heals, well, piddly.

Oh and the guy that said we don't need chanters anymore, ya right.

Anyway, this item is VERY nice, especially considering it's a personal achievement, not some uber guild raid and a lucky role. Quests and company define the game, with out those two elements you may as well go play teams on Quake or some such. Better graphics on the shooters anyway.

Now go play people.
Nice stats
Jun 08 2001 at 7:44 PM Rating: Good
Anonymous
THIS SHAWL QUEST ROCKS. For me it's perhaps one of the best shoulder items around. Well rounded stat bonuses and an effect. Best of all its upgradeable nature is fun to do.
For those that think playing the game is best done by going from 1 to 60 in a month, You are a loser. You miss so much thinking that pulls have to be constant in order to have fun. Or that a mob should drop the phat loot every time. If they did then it would not be "phat" at all since everyone would have it.
Further who said the quest should be done in a day or a month. You get out of this thing what you put into it. Dont want to follow the quest path? go ahead and lose your stuff when YOU lack the skills to combine them.
For me its a nice mix of hunting and skills development that can only make me a much better player in the long run. Remember quality not quantity of lvls is fun. At lvl 60 a full 95% of the game will be lame green mobs.THEN WHAT?
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 08 2001 at 10:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow! only 2 wt? This is a monk item for sure!
Interesting......
Jun 08 2001 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
47 posts
Enchanter spell levels are:

8, enchant silver
16, breeze, enchant electrum
24, enchant gold
29, clarity
34, enchant platinum
49, enchantment item line complete
52, boon of the clear mind (group clarity)
54, clarity II
59, gift of pure thought (group clarity II?)

once you see the massive line of enchant item spells you can understand why they were given clarity. Also i didnt list their int boosting spell line (

Wizards get Harvest at 34

Necromancers get multiple life to mana spells

so far this is the only item i've ever seen that is magician useable with a mana regen effect on it. (or the only one that can be obtained without doing some sort of event) Of course before you can even get this you need to be able to go to velk's lab, be a cook, a tailor, a potter, a fletcher, a brewer, AND a jeweler of mastery skill level. Not one of these skills i see a mage use on any kind of basis before this. Enchanter make good jewelers, rangers make good fletchers, monks make good tailors and brewers, rogues and shaman make good potters, most people dont cook ingame (and magicians just summon food) all the while the items required are raredrops everywhere all along the line...

iduno about the rest of you out there but i still think this is by far easier to do than the magician epic quest (which has been compared to spending a day with Richard Simmons, a far more plesant experience although less desireable)
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 07 2001 at 11:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ok - my last post of the same info was deleted - so i will keep this one even shorter.
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 09 2001 at 10:44 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok you tell me a better item that can be camped and i'll camp it til then i'll do this quest thx
RE: ridiculous
Jun 08 2001 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
Anonymous
I'll go for the simplest most direct answer to all your whining. If you don't like the quest, don't do the quest. This is great for those people who quite honestly enjoy this sort of stuff, they are out there, if you are not one of them go on a raid to Cazic Thule and hope for a good role, whatever. Just stop whining about it sheesh.
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 09 2001 at 12:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nobody is whining here.
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 10 2001 at 6:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) pp/time ratio, dude what are you talking about.
Anonymous, Posted: Jun 10 2001 at 2:41 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So shaddup already, you and the other guy... go camp stuff )... dont do trade skills, thats fine with me... when luclin comes out with more quests / items involving trade skills, i wont have you to compete against for those things, cuz your skill will be zero hehe