Any bonehead monks claiming you need str, agility and dex over AC and hitpoints do not pull.
Our role forces us to gear defensively. Our DPS comes from 3 items, OUR WEAPONS and our HASTE. If you are gearing for str or agility and not AC and hitpoints and resists you are insance. AC does not help us beyond a certain point, but you need to at least reach that point!
Why should this go to monks? Because every other class member, that can reach this tunic, can reach better tunics. So please, be a greedy snot and take this away from a monk, and then upgrade 3 days later, while your puller is stuck in something worse.
No warrior is going to wear this long, even iksar. Same for chanters and beastlords (wear is the mana? BSTS LOVE MANA) and a BST will simply upgrade later, because on raids they do not pull and they do not tank. Monk is the only class there that is going to use this raiding, everynight, a long time.
Yes alot of monks claim all/all gear goes to them by divine right. This is NOT one of those cases. This is literraly UBER gear for a monk while it is only mild to moderate gear for any other class.
Hey you are a druid and for shiz and giggles you want tank stats? Lovely, just enjoy them while your monks lack. Keep gimping other classes in your guild with your GREED. You are only going to ditch those losers for a higher tier uber guild soon anyway right?
still...beastys can role for this. There is always the danger that one might upgrade later. This is no argument to disdain from looting. And if you have more dkps then the monk you have more right to the items.
uhh what about Rangers? who love dex, ac, and hps? or a Shaman who could just end up summond on a slow and could use the extra ac, not to mention the hps for canni. This is NOT a MONK only item you make a few decent points but this is just as good for a monk as it is for someone else for other reasons. take a step back and notice just cause its a nice ac/hp item from back in the day doesnt mean its just for monks.
The point is that both rangers and shamen are CHAIN armor wearing classes. Monks are LEATHER armor wearing classes. 40 ac on a chest piece with decent stats for a ranger or shaman is pretty low -- not to mention rangers should very rarely get hit and shamen are only slightly more likely to get hit (slow aggro is HUGE). 40 ac on a chest piece with decent stats for a monk however is UBER -- monks are also a class that has a high probability of getting beat on because they are THE pulling class.
Ok for those who say this BP should go to monks only obviously don't know what they are talking about. You are probably looking at the weight on the thing and the AC. Stat wise this tunic is just decent. The Ac is of course very nice and the dex isn't bad, hit points on this thing kinda suck though and leave much to be desired after your guild is done ravaging NTOV. Do the monks in my guild have this tunic? Yes they do, but so do the BSTS and whoever else spent their DKP on it. GEAR goes to whoever spends the DKP on it period. If you are in a guild that rewards by merit...then there is no need to complain here. What you should do is take it to your guild forum and complain to the officers and GL or join a guild on a fair DKP system. If your guild is clearing NTOV pretty easily...just want you to know that this tunic is pretty temporary since most players who know what they are doing would rather prefer more HP along with better stats over AC, and those chest pieces will drop in the next few zones that your guild will be able to handle. I have a 65 Beast a 65 Monk and a 60 Cleric. this tunic sits in the bank on my beast...I would rather have my ornate on my BST for the HP and utility for solo purposes for the clicky haste. And gets switched around alot on my monk with fungi and his ornate depending on situation. It is a decent Chest piece but not worth crying over.
Himmmm well the dex and sta .... monk! the dex Rog! all of it Warr sk pal .. and all meelee chars him but i would choose monk or rog for this baby but rog over monk because of dex and dex is important for rouge because of bs and procs wihich is basicaly what you need for a good rog high skill and bs and a high damge good procing piecer!
well its ALL/ALL and a Beast can use these every bit as much as any Monk.... I would say that leather wearing melee (Monk/Beast) really should be by far the first in consideration for these..although yes +20 Dex would be very desireable for Rogues also... Chain an Plate classes have better, this is about as good as it gets for Leather.... and a guild that hands these to a chanter or caster should be banned from TOV
Heh. If your guild can break in to kill this guy. the tank wouldnt want this... Hes got better. And if some secondary tanks dont... Go kill Derakor the Vindicator, to get his BP instead. much easier break in.. and over all i think an easier mob.. and respawns once every 8 hrs or so.
As usual, this item should go to chars who cant enjoy the high ac of a good plate bp. Namely monkeys and bst for example.
I agree with Cerestion, any guild who can break in to kill this guy has a tank with better armor than this. Give it to the leather wearing classes (bst or mnk).
Also, those who are complaining about the low hp on this piece, it has 50 hp and 10 stamina (which equals an extra 40 hp). This makes a nice chest piece for a grouping monk, and you are obviously not playing solo if you get in to get this tunic. My monk solos with fungi tunic, but the Ancient Wyvern Hide Tunic is my preference for raids and group play.
This tunic probably looks awsome on caster =) And for the god's sake dont start fighting again,its a monk item,just saying that some enc would look pretty cool wearing this =)
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Posted:Mar 30 2002 at 8:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Monk loot, beastlords don't have to worry about weight as far as I know, I'd gladly hand it over to a monk.
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Posted:Apr 16 2002 at 11:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) the highest roller > the loser's forgot the class's
Could you please tell me who you raid ToV with? I would love to go on a raid were all/all can be ROLLED on by all, or hell one thats rolls on anything.
Actually, i have seen open NToV raids done, its not like NToV is the end all be all of places to fight..most guilds dont even bother with ToV anymore, its merely a waste of time...
For an enchanter (Or any int caster of cleric), if you are in a guild capeable of getting this item, you can probably at least hope to get Sal'Varae's Robe of Darkness, which has the pathetic stats of AC: +60 Str: +15 Sta: +25 Agi: +25 Dex: +15 Wis: +25 Int: +25 Cha: +25 Magic Resist: +15 Fire Resist: +15 Cold Resist: +15 Poison Resist: +15 Disease Resist: +15 HP: +100 Mana: +100 Weight: 1.0 Effect Flowing Thought I
Sure, the mob which drops the robe is the boss mob of NTOV, but the Ancient Wyvern Hide tunic is the best monk tunic for AC by far, and only the 2nd best AC chanter tunic, with the exception of a GM event artifact that is all all.
Incedentally, off of another NTOV mob comparable to the one which drops the Wyvern hide tunic drops the Ancient Wurm Hide Robe (LORE ITEM MAGIC ITEM NO DROP AC: +30 Int: +10 Magic Resist: +15 Fire Resist: +15 Cold Resist: +15 Poison Resist: +15 Disease Resist: +15 Mana: +50 Weight: 5.0 Classes: Necromancer Enchanter Magician Wizard Races: All Races ) Which incedentally has 2 more AC than the 2nd best monk tunic, the Phase Spider Carapace. Personally, I would rather have the Ancient Wurm Hide Robe than the tunic, although if the tunic dropped and no monks needed it, I could see being in line for it.
this will 99% go to a monk always. now I just wish we could get my guild a little more geared with loot from HoT and a few more 58+ clerics then move to NToV :|
I do raid ToV regularly. If this item went to anyone other than a monk I'd vomit. If you're not playing this level of game, then you have no room to speak.
I am not at this lvl in the game, But I will be. This is a great item now for a beastlord, who can only wear nutural earthly things::P I do speak, I will speak, and you cant stop me!
would be nice for a beastlord... but i'd still give it preference to a monk because of the weight. Of course depending on your feelings of need before greed that could vary.. but ya.. i can see a beastlord rolling on it.
yes it would be very very good for a monk, but there are tank classes that would love this...such as the armor restricted iksar warriors and SKs that can not wear plate type armor
One thing comes to mind when I read all these posts. Comedy. This **** is funny.
Roll on this? Enchanters need it? Monks don’t need AC?
Well anyways. All of us who actually GO to ToV know better. Instead of some low to mid level person telling everyone who should get it, why don’t you just ask the people who deal with such items where it goes? We really don’t care who YOU think should get it. Worry about who gets a Forman’s tunic, or a Mino axe or something.
You come and pull ToV and tell me Monks don’t need AC.
the ac would do squat for a chanter(besided vulak drop a robe that chanters can use with compareable ac) cause at this level mobs are quading for like 850 to 1k a pop so even of the extra ac the enchanter gets makes the mob miss 1 hit he is dead anyways actuly at the upper end unless your the main tank with like 1500 or so ac only saves and hps make any reall differnce cause when you fighting mobs that a warrior has to be chealed every 3 seconds or die if you not one of the main tanks and you get agro you die. THe main tanks and the main pullers (usualy a monk sk combo) get priority on ac gear followed by the clerics. In general gear is handed out in such a way as to what is benificial to the GUILD as a whole Thand 59 monk <Legions of Darkness> Innrouuk
This drops from Ika the Venom, it dropped yesterday and the entire guild awarded it to our guildleader since he never takes any loot. He is usually the one to hand out the loot but the guild has spoken and he happily took it. Is this a monk item or an item for any class? Currently, its the best monk BP in the game so YES, its a monk item. SUCK IT UP
Well when you get to ToV, you are, as mentioned, with guild, and the drops from mobs such as these will be AWARDED, rarely rolled on. As a result, the raid leader will be looking at it's benefit to future raids, not experience groups, and on raids you aren't mezzing, you expect to die on tash, since that's usually all you will have a chance to do, and 20 something more ac isn't going to save you from melee attacks for, let's say in the case of the mob that drops this, 750s. The monk who is pulling them, though, as mentioned, can use this extra ac and sta to possibly make it back to camp with the pull without quite dying, as there are many instances when they will make it back with under 100hp, or simply get it to camp and then get killed. Any tiny edge you can give them is worth it, believe me, it will help you in the future when they are pulling the mobs that hit for 950 and drop your nice caster items.
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Posted:Aug 07 2001 at 11:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) is it a monk item, OF COURSE IT IS, and yeah i believe it was upgraded and also has like 20 agility and 50 hps.. not sure on the agility but ill go check when i log in my character... and my monk has an ac higher then the average warrior, and yes you do need it if you plan on fighting nasty things in this game... while your at it, grab the boots, sleeves and leggings to match, not only does it look cool but you will have uber ac stats resists and hps by the time your done.. just remember to be in a group of like 60ish and you may be able to take the rampaging nasty down...