The word is "rogue". not "rouge".

Who are you playing with exactly? I know more high level rogues who spend the majority of their time in xp groups as the primary puller, than any other class besides monk.

“And since you obviously aren't lvl 60, or know any 60 Rogues. The message about the 6000 damage is called Assassinate, what lvl 60 Rogues (Assassins) can do at random to MOBs, it is designed to kill old world bosses. I.E. Naggy and Vox. So that is 6000 damage (maybe 6500).”

Tanner, there are a few holes in your logic here. 1) I believe anyone around level 50 on a Naggy or Vox raid that attempts to kill the mob will automatically be shown to the door by the mob. Verant changed this so uber guilds couldn’t kill the mobs over and over and the 40’s would never get a chance. Even if rogues could assassinate old world mobs at one point, I don’t know how the hell a rogue, or any loner for that matter, would make it out alive. What’s the point of all that loot if its rotting while you’re on a CR? 2) There is also a level cap on assassinate. I looked on everlore.com, this site, and Caster’s Realm. However, I’m positive that a rogue just can’t sneak up to a 50+ level mob and assassinate it. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. 3) And finally, what I meant by everyone doing 6,000 damage was just that. Everyone in a group contributes to a mob’s death in one way or another. Wizards nuke, warriors attack/get attacked, clerics heal, and yes, rogues add their damage or defense output in the thousands.

“Where the target must not move, if they are rooted, Mezed, or any other method of keeping a MOB stationary. Making the ranger double damage useless. Since pulling almost always missed, and the lvl 55 skill requires a lot of maybes, and if’s to work the best.”

Guess what again? All the disadvantages you listed apply to every class that uses the bow. And realistically speaking, you have to be one lucky bastard to get a critical using a projectile weapon on a moving target. It’s the same with rogues; mob moves and your shuriken doesn’t get a critical or deadly strike. But we DO have a bonus: for some absurd reason we take damage from mob shields, whether or not the mob is stationary.

Pulling mobs is just that, pulling. If you can kill a mob with a pull or bring it down to half life you’re not going to get experience. Your complaints have to do with rangers, not rogues. Waiting for Adarra’s bow to post complaints on the ranger looks like equipment-envy. A weapon, even a uber weapon, does NOT define a class.

Whenever someone sees an item they’d like for their class but don’t know how to get their points across to Verant, and/or realize their wishes aren’t going to come true, well, if they can’t have it, no one should. That's what you're showing me, and that doesn't say much.

Hmm… lets see. To get the 2 best Ranger bows in the game, you say you need 2 uber guilds. To get this bow, you just need to kill a MOB in EW right. Do you even know how long and hard this quest is? Did you know that part of this quest needs a poison made that isn't even trivial at lvl 250 and that the components are impossible for the casual gamer to get. Not to mention the 100+ hours needed of role-playing to complete all 9 quests before you see the lvl 60+ mob that drops the bow. Ohh yeah, piece of cake to get this bow. And who cares if a rogue has to spend hundreds if not thousands of plat to complete all 9 phases. Shoot, the 9 coldain ring quests are a piece of cake right. So STFU, stop complaining, go lvl and work on your own damn ranger bow. About time they gave us rogues a nice range slot that’s also helpful in pulling. My archery skill sucks but if I could ever get this bow I would slave to bring it up. Maybe not, I’d just wear it for stats. But I already ruined my coldain faction so I have no chance in getting one. But I'll be proud of any rogue who saved the urge to join the giants faction to hold out and finish these almost impossible quests. You went against the majority of EQers in hope of a great reward and you now have that reward. I salute you. CHEERS.

heh from my experience its kinda hard to find a group to join in karnor/seb no matter what class you are=P

Ranger and monk are great pullers...when in your group. I seldom have either in my group while going for exp - not because i dont want them, there just arent that many. I have seen all classes pull - even clerics (when he got bored).

The point is there are not only two pulling classes. The guy who said pull with BS is either very low level or dead - a lot. Yah, we can throw but have you checked the range on our throwing stuff. OOOOHH, a chance to crit at range 65ish vs a solid hit at 150+. As a rogue, i can sneak up and scout the area looking for the best pull with least chance of adds from a nice distance.

Also, none of our bows that i can think of have a proc. The Windsaber is a nice bow (RNG only) with a good proc. Your quest Bow of the Huntsman is also good with a proc.

I dont have this bow...yet. I am only on the 3rd step but hope to in a couple months.

BTW, i think your epic should be a bow. This is not meant to be a personnal or class attack. As another previously posted, just because a class got a nice item doesnt mean it will steal a trademark ability. Look at some of the piercers coming from vel, 12 20 and better, not rogue only. I am not nor will i scream to make them no drop or rogue only. Personally, i think all quest obtained items should be no drop and not able to multi-quest.

Thurgadin initially. Part of the coldain ring quest.

You also miss the point. The zone is easy, the trigger is not. Part of the 8th or 9th ring quest - very time consuming, no multi questing. To get this bow could easily take 100hours of .... drum role please, roleplaying (and lots of luck)

as far as i know you need a drop from the hand of veeshan to complete the windstriker =P

Thorian Runesinger
Virtuoso of Bristlebane