Scars of Velious
I started a High Elf ENC in march and he followed Tunare and I never looked back at it since. After killing tons of Orcs, following Tunare, in DE form, the Guards at Neriak still con Dubuious. Personally, I know that there are better Enchie head items than this, but the Mana, INT, & CHA is to die for (Literally). Sure the quest stinks, but it's good to have the equivalent INT of a Orb of Lost Souls or Tola Robe on your head.... mmm.... Tola Robe and Orb of Lost Souls.... my dream...
Edited, Sun Jul 14 10:19:47 2002
Wreath of Nature
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4 posts
That by the time you can do this quest, the few Tunare enchanters out there will most likely have a much better head item than this one. I dinged 55 last week and was looking forward to starting these quests with my Ranger and Cleric friends. Of all of the PoG quest items, this is by far the least useful, and the risk/reward is totally out of line for what you get...
My guild is twelve people, and I have had better than this for several levels.
I'd wear either my Ice silk cap or Tranix crown before this, and would only consider taking these dragons down if friends were wanting to do them for some reason.
Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
55th Beguiler of Tunare
Ayonae Ro
My guild is twelve people, and I have had better than this for several levels.
I'd wear either my Ice silk cap or Tranix crown before this, and would only consider taking these dragons down if friends were wanting to do them for some reason.
Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
55th Beguiler of Tunare
Ayonae Ro
I once thought this helm was the bomb. Now I have one of the books for the quest and see that it sux for the risk. Insidious Halo from Hate is easy to get by the time you can kill the mobs for this quest. Hell, Crown of Tranix is better IMHO.
At least they just gave us uber armor I can make being a cultural smith :).
At least they just gave us uber armor I can make being a cultural smith :).
6 posts
I start my enchanter a week after EQ went live in 1999 and she has always followed Tunare. I've never regarded being a religious enchanter a bad thing. It's all in how you play the game.
Those that think that there is only one way to play a class are too bent around the getting loot or levels. There is more to the game than that.
Those that think that there is only one way to play a class are too bent around the getting loot or levels. There is more to the game than that.
29 posts
I don't see why eveyone complains. I'm a lvl 51 enchanter, high elf, tunare. Untill last week when I helped a friend get a crude stien i could walk around 90% of oggok in high elf form and con indeffernt or better. I once could walk around Neriak also, then i killed a bunch of inkies and that was the end of that.
19 posts
Erm. Did you try Neriak 3rd Gate? My 57 enchanter is a follower of Mith Marr, and without any faction hits against her in Neriak and in Oggok, she conned scowling to Neriak Commons and Third Gate, and through no ammount of faction work was I able to raise it (I tried. Hard.), and Threatening to one faction or another of the Ogres... collab took care of that.
For that matter... try the followers of Cazic Thule. Innoruuk is Mith Marr's opposite. Cazic is Tunare's. There is a religious faction one can't change. It's what made it so annoying to invis through and have to take faction hits I had no desire to just to get my snake =T
Ainyan Dreamweaver
57 Beguiler
Fifth Column - Torvonnilous
For that matter... try the followers of Cazic Thule. Innoruuk is Mith Marr's opposite. Cazic is Tunare's. There is a religious faction one can't change. It's what made it so annoying to invis through and have to take faction hits I had no desire to just to get my snake =T
Ainyan Dreamweaver
57 Beguiler
Fifth Column - Torvonnilous
1 post
NOOOO!
First off I made my enchanter Tunare when I started EQ 2 years ago then had to restart him as agnostic when I realised illusions were werthless but now......*cries*
First off I made my enchanter Tunare when I started EQ 2 years ago then had to restart him as agnostic when I realised illusions were werthless but now......*cries*
4 posts
This item should be a lot better to make up for the hell they put enchanters that chose dieties through.
They need an unbalancing item to balance out the unbalance they got tricked into at character creation. 8)
They need an unbalancing item to balance out the unbalance they got tricked into at character creation. 8)
29 posts
we also get the racial chain which isn't to bad if you need some ac, or what to look deffernt then everyone else
1 post
Grats Dafty, and very good point. It's really a good item for a head piece, and true, the 8 AC loss from tranix will probably not make a difference, while the 40 mana is definitely worth having.
But even more true, this item ISNT as good as it should be..look what we have to kill to get it..Harla Dar (lv 63+), some Sapara dragon (lv 60), and 2 other dragons lv 55+. An involved quest, for a reward that is only marginally better than something you can get at lv 46 - we'd switch this out for other pieces depending on circumstance. Even saying its better is debatable then.
Maybe it needs some right clickable effect, some minor stat increases..I really do think it needs some kind of upgrade.
But even more true, this item ISNT as good as it should be..look what we have to kill to get it..Harla Dar (lv 63+), some Sapara dragon (lv 60), and 2 other dragons lv 55+. An involved quest, for a reward that is only marginally better than something you can get at lv 46 - we'd switch this out for other pieces depending on circumstance. Even saying its better is debatable then.
Maybe it needs some right clickable effect, some minor stat increases..I really do think it needs some kind of upgrade.
Anonymous
11 posts
Ok its race and class restricted, but high elves are perhaps the most popular race for enchanters on my server anyway (with erudites a close second). Nope the real problem is its deity restricted too - and most experienced players know that picking a deity for an enchanter is generally a bad thing (because you get bad religion faction even when using an illusion).
For the level you need to get this I'd be very surprised if there were more than a couple of 50+ high elf enchanters following Tunare on each server. And considering the stats on this theres a high chance that they would have better equipment in the head slot.
Minority interest only - I think Verant screwed up on their research again.
For the level you need to get this I'd be very surprised if there were more than a couple of 50+ high elf enchanters following Tunare on each server. And considering the stats on this theres a high chance that they would have better equipment in the head slot.
Minority interest only - I think Verant screwed up on their research again.
Anonymous
You know, I am sorry all you people think that Religion based armor is horrible. I started my Enchanter almost exactly 2 years ago, and Enchanters were the least understood class (aside from Rogues). I also didn't do any pre-reading about my class except what came in the box with the game. I chose Tunare because that is how I felt I wanted to RP my character. It wasn't until after I had been killed in Neriak and Ogguk that I finally understood why I should have chose Agnostic. Well, too bad, I made my character (btw who's base chr and intel suck very bad, this was also unknown to me...but her str is pretty good :b) and now I have to deal with it...all I can say is my roleplaying (and dealing with my ***** up) has finally paid off. All my deaths were not in vane. May Tunare keep you safe my friends. - Tigerseye Icone, Chanter of EC'I 46th Circle
#Anonymous,
Posted: Jun 17 2001 at 3:02 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's why you're 46th level after 2 years.
Anonymous
I don't think they screwed up at all.
Think about it... some enchanters chose to take a deity even though it's probably made their lives more difficult. They *should* have some kind of reward. Verant warned months and months ago that deity specific items were gradually going to start to come into play on the game. Even if only a handful can use it, it's a pretty sweet reward for not 'taking the easy way out.'
And before you ask, I have an agnostic dark elf enchanter myself. ;)
Anonymous
Heh when will you fools stop looking at this as a sweet reward..its nice I agree, but its not SWEET, and its definitely not an appropriate reward considering all the difficulty you talk about for choosing a deity. Look at the cleric, druid, and ranger rewards, now THOSE are sweet..those items surpass any other piece available thats not looted off some 200k hp mob or Phara Dar in veeshan's peak. This..its not even an upgrade to a tranix crown..its got less AC, less cha, but more mana. Seems more like a tradeoff to me. It has INT you say? Get a clue, verant already gave enchanters a +21 int spell, it's more than easy to max this stat.
Anonymous
But this just gets back to the same old question that came up when they said they would be adding religion based items: Why didn't you tell us about this before, or at least give us a quest where we could 'find religion' (ie go from agnostic to a follower of one of the gods that we could have originally chosen- and NOT go back afterwards)???
High Elf, agnostic enchanter
High Elf, agnostic enchanter
Anonymous
Because every enchanter would then be waiting to see which religion got the best and easiest items, and changing to it.
Anonymous
Bust out the agent orange and raid PoG. I am an Erudite follower of Quellious. KoS no matter what illusion or faction spell I use among the Dark Elves in Neriak, yet I get no reward for this hardship (Several important quests and items for enchanters are found in Neriak) I got my cap from doing the Thurgdain quest, but killing these wussy elves of Tunare appeals to me. They claim to be worhipers of the Mother of All, but she ain't my momma. Tunare won't even give me the time of day let alone reward me for a quest, so unleash the steel of my warriors and let the mother's blood spill until they learn to share their wealth.
signed;
A pissed off Erudite enchanter who has noticed that Verant has sucked up to the players of the most unimaginative overplayed race in the game, the Elf.
signed;
A pissed off Erudite enchanter who has noticed that Verant has sucked up to the players of the most unimaginative overplayed race in the game, the Elf.
Anonymous
I'm a high elf follower of Tunare and chose it by accident. I don't clearly remember I think I started out with a cleric or paladin then changed it to enchanter and then just clicked through leaving me with a religion. At the time religion wasn't displayed and I thought I was agnostic until it was finally displayed to to my dismay I had a religion. It for the most part has only been a pain. This bone, "Wreath of Nature" is not my idea of a good reward for the risk. The one that drops in PoG is better as far as I'm concerned and I'll stick to my Halo from Hate.
Anonymous
I follow Tunare, just because i wanted to be different. I am glad i did, i have had a great time playing! People who play the game for no reason other than to say "I have a lvl 60 of everything" are the type of people that ruin the game. Well, I'm through.
Qalinar Mindtaker
44th Enchanter of Tunare
Qalinar Mindtaker
44th Enchanter of Tunare
Anonymous
just the fact that everyone here talks about whether they'd rather have cha from insidious halo, mana from this, or AC from tranix crown shows this is just an item for customizing your character.. Sucks considering the ranger, druid, and cleric results are WAY WAY better than their velious quest and planar options.
Anonymous
It's disappointing based on the results of the Ranger Helm for example. Compare Ranger Tunare helm vs Ranger Thurgadin Quest helm and Ranger Fear helm, using points for stats..1 AC/1 SvFire/1 Cha/10 Hp or mana =1 point each for standard purposes:
Helm of Tracker(74): AC:20 Str/Sta:12 SvFire/Cold:15
Runed Scout's Helm(34): AC:16 Str:4 Sta/Dex:3 Hp/Mana:15 SvMagic:2 SvFire:3
Thorny Vine Helm(36): AC:14 Wis:5 Cha:9 SvCold:7 Mana:10
Not sure about you, but ranger tunare quest is a CLEAR upgrade to this standard velious quest helm, not to mention much better than the plane of fear helm.
Now look at enchanters (screwed as usual)
Wreath of Nature(46): AC:5 Cha:7 Int:10 Mana:40 SvMagic:20
Beguiler's Crown(40): AC:6 Cha:10 Int:15 SvMagic:7 SvFire:2
Insidious Halo(44): AC:5 Cha:20 Int:7 Hp/Mana:10 SvMagic:10
Tranix Crown(48): AC:13 Cha:15 SvMagic:20
The insidious halo / tranix crown are much much easier to get than this, require less effort, do not require a specific deity, and have comparable stats depending on whether you need AC, cha, int and/or sv magic. This wreath offers more mana while giving SvMagic, but the Tunare quest is more or less comparable to all other options, while rangers get the upgrade of gods. We should really /feedback that or something..stats on this should be something more like (give or take a little):
AC: 10 Cha:7 Int:10 Hp/Mana:40 SvMagic:20 (55 points)
That in my opinion is a more fair and worthy reward of the difficulty (mobs ranging from 55-60+)and obscurity (4 rare/uncommon tomes in west wastes for godsake) of this quest. Thoughts?
Helm of Tracker(74): AC:20 Str/Sta:12 SvFire/Cold:15
Runed Scout's Helm(34): AC:16 Str:4 Sta/Dex:3 Hp/Mana:15 SvMagic:2 SvFire:3
Thorny Vine Helm(36): AC:14 Wis:5 Cha:9 SvCold:7 Mana:10
Not sure about you, but ranger tunare quest is a CLEAR upgrade to this standard velious quest helm, not to mention much better than the plane of fear helm.
Now look at enchanters (screwed as usual)
Wreath of Nature(46): AC:5 Cha:7 Int:10 Mana:40 SvMagic:20
Beguiler's Crown(40): AC:6 Cha:10 Int:15 SvMagic:7 SvFire:2
Insidious Halo(44): AC:5 Cha:20 Int:7 Hp/Mana:10 SvMagic:10
Tranix Crown(48): AC:13 Cha:15 SvMagic:20
The insidious halo / tranix crown are much much easier to get than this, require less effort, do not require a specific deity, and have comparable stats depending on whether you need AC, cha, int and/or sv magic. This wreath offers more mana while giving SvMagic, but the Tunare quest is more or less comparable to all other options, while rangers get the upgrade of gods. We should really /feedback that or something..stats on this should be something more like (give or take a little):
AC: 10 Cha:7 Int:10 Hp/Mana:40 SvMagic:20 (55 points)
That in my opinion is a more fair and worthy reward of the difficulty (mobs ranging from 55-60+)and obscurity (4 rare/uncommon tomes in west wastes for godsake) of this quest. Thoughts?
26 posts
Actually I dont like to assign points to an item based strictly by numbers i look at who the item is meant to be used by then look at the stats on how it is set up for that class. In my opinion this helm is very nice it covers a wide area of stats that are excellent for an enchanter
5 ac is nice.
10int rocks adds to mana total
7cha rocks once again for chanter making it easier to charm/mez a mob
+40 mana again rocks
20vs magic once again rocks for chanter in tight dungeon spaces where he might be caught in his own spells 20 resists helps a bunch
over all this item although may not have all big massive amounts of stat boosts it does have the stats where it counts and when considering its for the head all the other items that were compared to it although having better numbers in specific areas none really have the as large a collection of needed stat boosts .
5 ac is nice.
10int rocks adds to mana total
7cha rocks once again for chanter making it easier to charm/mez a mob
+40 mana again rocks
20vs magic once again rocks for chanter in tight dungeon spaces where he might be caught in his own spells 20 resists helps a bunch
over all this item although may not have all big massive amounts of stat boosts it does have the stats where it counts and when considering its for the head all the other items that were compared to it although having better numbers in specific areas none really have the as large a collection of needed stat boosts .
Anonymous
You're missing the point.
"5AC is nice" are you a fool? 5AC is the LOWEST value of all enchanter head pieces. AC helps with damage mitigation, so tranix rules in that area (13AC).
"10 int rocks adds to mana total." You must not realize that most people capable of completing this quest probably have max int (200) and dont need anymore..thus they can afford to wear the tranix crown. The effect of int on mana total after 200 is like 1 int= 1 mana..thats ridiculous.
"7cha rocks, makes it easier to charm/mez" I'm not sure you see that tranix has MORE cha..at 15, isnt that better? That's what I thought.
"20 sv magic helps in tight dungeon spaces" Agree, but tranix already has 20 sv magic.
"+40 mana again rocks" Agree, and that would be the only reason I *MIGHT* wear this over the tranix crown.
The reason I used points was to show that even the collection of stat boosts on this item isnt really that large or significant..the only advantage is that it offers, like you said, more necessary stats combined, although not always greater values for specific stats. But, If you dont see that this item is more for customization rather than being the head that surpasses all other head pieces, you're kidding yourself. Why should it be better than all others by a landslide you ask..
So I compared it to the Tunare only ranger helm result..Using points I showed this ranger helm to be the BEST of all helms..and you'll agree AC, str, sta, sv fire/cold are all nice, necessary numbers for rangers. You'll find that the ranger helm, druid gloves, and cleric bracer, all tunare only plane of growth quests, all result is something substantially BETTER than 99% of all other possible choices (look up Gloves of Earthcrafting, Symbol of Tunarian Worship). The stats on those absolutely rock all other choices...why shouldnt this be true for enchanters too?
"5AC is nice" are you a fool? 5AC is the LOWEST value of all enchanter head pieces. AC helps with damage mitigation, so tranix rules in that area (13AC).
"10 int rocks adds to mana total." You must not realize that most people capable of completing this quest probably have max int (200) and dont need anymore..thus they can afford to wear the tranix crown. The effect of int on mana total after 200 is like 1 int= 1 mana..thats ridiculous.
"7cha rocks, makes it easier to charm/mez" I'm not sure you see that tranix has MORE cha..at 15, isnt that better? That's what I thought.
"20 sv magic helps in tight dungeon spaces" Agree, but tranix already has 20 sv magic.
"+40 mana again rocks" Agree, and that would be the only reason I *MIGHT* wear this over the tranix crown.
The reason I used points was to show that even the collection of stat boosts on this item isnt really that large or significant..the only advantage is that it offers, like you said, more necessary stats combined, although not always greater values for specific stats. But, If you dont see that this item is more for customization rather than being the head that surpasses all other head pieces, you're kidding yourself. Why should it be better than all others by a landslide you ask..
So I compared it to the Tunare only ranger helm result..Using points I showed this ranger helm to be the BEST of all helms..and you'll agree AC, str, sta, sv fire/cold are all nice, necessary numbers for rangers. You'll find that the ranger helm, druid gloves, and cleric bracer, all tunare only plane of growth quests, all result is something substantially BETTER than 99% of all other possible choices (look up Gloves of Earthcrafting, Symbol of Tunarian Worship). The stats on those absolutely rock all other choices...why shouldnt this be true for enchanters too?
Anonymous
and I forgot to add..I can BUY the tranix crown for like 10k pp if I wanted..and I wear that right now over the halo and beguiler's crown. Funny how some item you can loot at lv 45 if you wanted, is in the running for best enchanter head piece.
Like I said before, this item requires several groups of people 55+ to defeat the mobs that hold the quest pieces. Not to take away from Dafty's accomplishment, but the effort required and difficulty to get this item that is little more than customization is absolutely ridiculous.
Like I said before, this item requires several groups of people 55+ to defeat the mobs that hold the quest pieces. Not to take away from Dafty's accomplishment, but the effort required and difficulty to get this item that is little more than customization is absolutely ridiculous.
1 post
Druids and rangers are, quite commonly, followers of Tunare. Why wouldn't the items available to them in the PoG be better than items for other classes?
That's a little unfair, considering that fear and hate are really nothing more than hack and slash zones, but from a roleplaying perspective, why wouldn't Tunare want to reward all those years of loyal service?
By the way, I think i'm one of the few to have a Tunare worshiping enchanter... Heh, too bad i'm nowhere near the level required for this thing :)
That's a little unfair, considering that fear and hate are really nothing more than hack and slash zones, but from a roleplaying perspective, why wouldn't Tunare want to reward all those years of loyal service?
By the way, I think i'm one of the few to have a Tunare worshiping enchanter... Heh, too bad i'm nowhere near the level required for this thing :)
Anonymous
You got to factor in if you are over 200+ the stat that give you mana every 1 point only gives you 1 mana..... so this would be like a +47int to a Person over 200+ on INT
Anonymous
Everyone here is just ******** at the item, but i just wanted to congratulate Dafty on a job well done! Way to go buddy!
-Ablabla Blablabla
-47 halfling warrior of Solusek Ro
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-47 halfling warrior of Solusek Ro
hmm, by the name alone I thought; cool some thing to put on my wish list for my druid, but no, its an enchanter only item. that has nothing to do with nature at all. when is the madness gonna end. :)
silly verant, twinks are for kids
silly verant, twinks are for kids
15 posts
Look at it better..
Tunare Only.. High Elf Only.
Get the picture?
Tunare Only.. High Elf Only.
Get the picture?
#REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 03 2001 at 6:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) dude chill he was makeing a coment on the name...
Anonymous
Hehe, besides, he was completely wrong anyway, Tunare is wood elf too. My wood elf RANGER is Tunare. He should do at least know a little about what he is talking about before he goes off on someone. And half elf and human rangers can be Tunare as well.
#Anonymous,
Posted: Mar 03 2001 at 10:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jeezus, why have they not realized that the Crown of King Tranix is still the best enchanter head piece in the game? 13 ac, 15 cha, 20 vs magic. Nothing else comes close to the +ac and the sv magic.
Anonymous
Tranix Crown is far better.
Int items are easy to get and Enchanters don't need this one and mostly, +15 cha is far better for them in one slot than +10 int.
Int items are easy to get and Enchanters don't need this one and mostly, +15 cha is far better for them in one slot than +10 int.
Anonymous
Heh. I'm an enchanter. I worship Tunare. I wear that "piece of crap" and, for me, it's definitely better than a Tranix. Some enchanters like to go for lots of AC stuff, but I decided early on I wasn't really going to, so the AC on a Tranix doesn't do anything special for me. Same SV magic (20 is pretty good). A few less cha than a tranix, but since with the rest of my gear my cha is maxed out anyway (self buffed), it having 7 instead of 15 doesn't really effect me. It has int which a Tranix doesn't have, though an insidious Halo has more int AND more cha (and I do swap between the insidious and this item, depending on the circumstance), but as with my charisma, my int is maxed out with my normal gear and self buffs, so it doesn't really matter either. What I really like is the 40 mana. At the point where all of your primary stats are hitting their maxes, you start looking for other stuff to buff up. For a pure caster, mana is a likely option. So, in summation, the int and cha are inconsequential and the SV magic and mana rock my world =)
I'm not saying it's as good as it ought to be (get a clue Verant look at how hard you made the quest), but I still like it.
Dafty Dreamshine <Paradigm>
SolRo
I'm not saying it's as good as it ought to be (get a clue Verant look at how hard you made the quest), but I still like it.
Dafty Dreamshine <Paradigm>
SolRo
32 posts
actuly its a ite here it comes down to hey i want int or cha the int is good mana and the cha for the mez.. but still its up in the air on the best in the game thng .. though the halo is in the running as well
Anonymous
Then why does Verant treat you guys like a, pardon the pun, red-headed stepchild?
39 posts
the quest items give 15cha, 10int, and more AC, but they dont have as much magic resist and they dont add mana but id rather have 8cha than 40mana
just my 2 cp
just my 2 cp
Anonymous
Quest items give more, but they are much much harder to attain, and these are nice, because as an enchanter with 195 CHA and 193 INT its a perfect fit for chanters like me. However, for those who arent worshippers of Tunare, they get blown out of the water. And besides I'd rather have the higher MR to be honest. As a person who doesnt have 100 MR like most people do, I rather not take the chance of being rooted or feared in a dungeon, or have to waste mana to boost up my MR. I mean CHA and INT items are easy to come by, and given the mana bonus, really helps. Thats just my opinion.
Anonymous
Huh?
At the levels needed to obtain this item most enchanters have 200 int and close to if not over 200 charisma. Mana is huge especially when it comes with a high base int item. The MR is also a nice add on. What I dont get is why peeps think there is only one way to adjust your stats or only one stat that has any value. This is a great item for those enchanters who are close to 200 cha and or int or wanna switch out other items for alternative stats or mana. Just an opinion =).
Mad Maligor Gembinder, AR server
At the levels needed to obtain this item most enchanters have 200 int and close to if not over 200 charisma. Mana is huge especially when it comes with a high base int item. The MR is also a nice add on. What I dont get is why peeps think there is only one way to adjust your stats or only one stat that has any value. This is a great item for those enchanters who are close to 200 cha and or int or wanna switch out other items for alternative stats or mana. Just an opinion =).
Mad Maligor Gembinder, AR server
Anonymous
Yes, but is the difficulty and effort required for this quest worth a result that does little more than customize your character? The ranger, druid, cleric quest results are superior to other options, not customizations.
Anonymous
Depends on what server you are on, I guarantee ya that on a red server an enc would much rather have that +20 MR *no drop* on his head than anything else, with good stats to boot.
And speaking of which, since blue servers don't matter, your point is moot, because red is the only way to go =)
And speaking of which, since blue servers don't matter, your point is moot, because red is the only way to go =)
Anonymous
I can agree with that!
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