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Once again: The HASTE portion of the monk epic will NOT stack with the HASTE porton of another haste spell, with 4 bard songs as exceptions. Those exceptions are the Ervaj and Vah Shir lines.
For thouse of you who stil don't understand I'll ty another example:
Spell 1: 12AC, 53ATK, 40% haste (monk epic)
Spell 2: 12AC, 40AGI, 66% haste (enchanter epic)
Spell 3: 20% haste (Captain Nalots Quickening)
The results of this stacking would be:
24AC, 40AGI, 53ATK, 66% haste
NOTE THAT THE BEST HASTE WAS USED. THEY DO NOT ADD! Captain Nalots Quickening is useless in this case!
Lets try another shall we?
Spell 1: 30STR, 30ATK, 55% haste (Bard epic)
Spell 2: 12AC, 40AGI, 66% haste (enchanter epic)
The results of this stacking would be:
12AC, 30STR, 40AGI, 30ATK, >>66%<< haste.
NOTE THAT THE BEST HASTE WAS USED. THEY DO NOT ADD!
And another:
Spell 1: 21AC, 30STR, 30AGI, 30% haste (Verses of Victory, BARD SONG)
Spell 2: 12AC, 53ATK, 40% haste (monk epic)
The results of this stacking would be:
33AC, 30STR, 30AGI, 53ATK, >>40%<< haste
NOTE THAT THE BEST HASTE WAS USED. THEY DO NOT ADD! JUST BECAUSE SPELL 1 WAS A BARD SONG DOES NOT MEAN THE HASTE WILL STACK!
How about one last example. Note I said only two lines of bard song haste will stack on other spell haste. Those are the Ervaj and Vah Shir lines.
Spell 1: 12AC, 40AGI, 66% haste (enchanter epic)
Spell 2: 12AC, 53ATK, 40% haste (monk epic)
Spell 3: 10AC, 5% haste (Melody of ERVAJ)
The results of this stacking would be:
34AC, 40AGI, 53ATK, >>71%<< haste
Why 71% haste? Because the best haste would be used. In this case 66% from enchanter epic, and the 5% from the Ervaj line of bard song that does stack on other spell haste.
Understand?
Class dismissed.
Eyepatch of Plunder
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24 posts
You've obviously never played a bard.
Bard self haste songs (like Johnathan's Whistling Warsong) stack with item haste and chanter/shammy haste.
Monk epic is the same.
Bard self haste songs (like Johnathan's Whistling Warsong) stack with item haste and chanter/shammy haste.
Monk epic is the same.
Marshall Tarsk Longstrider
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Unfortunately the haste songs, such as Johnathons whistling warsong and indeed the monk epic do not stack with spell/song haste - with the exception of the two bard song lines above.
Well, actually its not strictly true - the spells/songs do not overwrite, but thats because Johnathans Whistling Warsong and monk epic song both have an AC and ATK element which does stack. However the haste element does not.
Unfortunately the haste songs, such as Johnathons whistling warsong and indeed the monk epic do not stack with spell/song haste - with the exception of the two bard song lines above.
Well, actually its not strictly true - the spells/songs do not overwrite, but thats because Johnathans Whistling Warsong and monk epic song both have an AC and ATK element which does stack. However the haste element does not.
42 posts
Haste Cap = 85 percent.
Melody of Ervaj (level 50)
Group: Increase Haste (5%)
Description: stacks with all other Bard haste songs..does NOT take you over the haste cap.
Composition of Ervaj (level 60) - the upgrade
Group: Increase Haste (10%)
Description: stacks with all other Bard haste songs..does NOT take you over the haste cap.
Battlecry of the Vah Shir (level 52)
Group: Increase Haste (15%)
Will Exceed Haste cap.
Warsong of the Vah Shir (level 60) - the upgrade
Group: Increase Haste (25%)
Will Exceed Haste cap.
Note: all haste percentages from <a href = "http://lucy.fnord.net/"> Lucy </a>
Epic enchanter Haste 66 percent.
A good item haste 41 percent.
Well used Haste song ( group ) from a Bard at level 60 = Mcvaxius' Rousing Rondo (23 percent)
The calculations..(based on spell haste stacks with song haste .. this is stated in more places then the argument that it doesn't .. and personally I believe it does, but I will not argue that point here.)
All calculations are multi-group encounter setups assume enchanter 60 epic equipped and bard 60 are present.
Player with Item haste:
Item + enchanter + Composition + Warsong.
41 + 66 + 10 + 25 = 85 + 25 ( all haste is ignored after 85 except the song that exceeds the cap) = 110 haste.
Item + enchanter + Warsong
41 + 66 + 25 .. still equals 110
It comes to a point for a bard not to worry about haste other then the one that exceeds the cap.. you can only "normal" haste players up to 85!
Player without Haste item
Enchanter + Rondo + Warsong
66 + 23 + 25 = 110
Item But no enchanter ... lol
Item + Rondo + Composition
41 + 23 + 25 = 89
There are higher percent haste songs , but at this level, it is hard to believe a player would not have a haste item / bard / chanter OR shaman helping them get to the haste cap of 85.
There are also a couple items that stack with other item haste similiar to the Ervaj line of haste.
Again, will not argue the fact spell and song haste stacks..that is a whole other thread.
Melody of Ervaj (level 50)
Group: Increase Haste (5%)
Description: stacks with all other Bard haste songs..does NOT take you over the haste cap.
Composition of Ervaj (level 60) - the upgrade
Group: Increase Haste (10%)
Description: stacks with all other Bard haste songs..does NOT take you over the haste cap.
Battlecry of the Vah Shir (level 52)
Group: Increase Haste (15%)
Will Exceed Haste cap.
Warsong of the Vah Shir (level 60) - the upgrade
Group: Increase Haste (25%)
Will Exceed Haste cap.
Note: all haste percentages from <a href = "http://lucy.fnord.net/"> Lucy </a>
Epic enchanter Haste 66 percent.
A good item haste 41 percent.
Well used Haste song ( group ) from a Bard at level 60 = Mcvaxius' Rousing Rondo (23 percent)
The calculations..(based on spell haste stacks with song haste .. this is stated in more places then the argument that it doesn't .. and personally I believe it does, but I will not argue that point here.)
All calculations are multi-group encounter setups assume enchanter 60 epic equipped and bard 60 are present.
Player with Item haste:
Item + enchanter + Composition + Warsong.
41 + 66 + 10 + 25 = 85 + 25 ( all haste is ignored after 85 except the song that exceeds the cap) = 110 haste.
Item + enchanter + Warsong
41 + 66 + 25 .. still equals 110
It comes to a point for a bard not to worry about haste other then the one that exceeds the cap.. you can only "normal" haste players up to 85!
Player without Haste item
Enchanter + Rondo + Warsong
66 + 23 + 25 = 110
Item But no enchanter ... lol
Item + Rondo + Composition
41 + 23 + 25 = 89
There are higher percent haste songs , but at this level, it is hard to believe a player would not have a haste item / bard / chanter OR shaman helping them get to the haste cap of 85.
There are also a couple items that stack with other item haste similiar to the Ervaj line of haste.
Again, will not argue the fact spell and song haste stacks..that is a whole other thread.
Caballero - 65 Wizard - BB
#fallenshadow,
Posted: Jul 20 2002 at 6:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) um sorry but you can be hasted three ways... a click casted item... a haste spell... and an item that you are wearing... chanter spells stack with the eyepatch and so does the sash of the dragonborn. but with the highest chanter spell and either the sash or the eyepatch youd reach the haste cap.
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