Scars of Velious
This is a very nice item, which numerous classes would benefit from. I just wish to note, the cost on this item, is not for its stats/ac, it is for the effect haste and it's rarity. I have spent NUMEROUS nites camping the arena, with a 5-6 person group, for 10 hours plus at a time. (and yes, we cleared the POZ's as well) One group of 55+ can easily clear the arena, and in 300+ hours of camping it, we have seen one drop. We have gotten numerous Thurg Quest drops, including 3 different BP's but only one Silvery. So would a caster benifit from it, yes, but luckily, our group that fights there regularly are good friends, and the casters agreed it would better suit the melee's and my monk won the roll. So I don't forsee the price dropping much below 20k. I guarantee I wouldn't part with it for 20k. As for needing a full raid to get one, ya'll need to learn your characters, as a 55 cleric and 55 monk regularly duo the bank area, which I see someone else having posted has dropped it. So with patience, it is possible to obtain. Rather than spam the message board here with pointless posts, I think I would better say you would be better to spend your time learning the capabilities of your characters. /shrug Just my thoughts on it.
55 Master
55 Cleric
50 Warrior
50 Druid
45 Enchantress
40 Necro
Silvery Belt of Contention
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2 posts
My guild did a test on this, we got about 3 drop in a 17 hour raid on the entire arena, we got pretty lucky :)
It seems pretty rare drop, but no ultra. The peeps who won rolls tested this over a week or so, Haste came up as 25-30%, average about 27%. The stats help casters, and I believe they should have a chance to roll, after all they did help i nthe fight. But Melee do need these more, and they should get the 1st chance for them.
A few Necros/Mages in the guild have one also, and they say that their Pets take the haste from it (One Necro used a Tolapjuipzxba's Robe, and said his pet hit faster - cant verify this tho)...so pets seem to share the Masters stats. With a Haste item that would be nice :) If you wanna disagree with me feel free to, but I never check these so you prolly wont get a reply :)
Rezzy,
Saryrn Servah.
It seems pretty rare drop, but no ultra. The peeps who won rolls tested this over a week or so, Haste came up as 25-30%, average about 27%. The stats help casters, and I believe they should have a chance to roll, after all they did help i nthe fight. But Melee do need these more, and they should get the 1st chance for them.
A few Necros/Mages in the guild have one also, and they say that their Pets take the haste from it (One Necro used a Tolapjuipzxba's Robe, and said his pet hit faster - cant verify this tho)...so pets seem to share the Masters stats. With a Haste item that would be nice :) If you wanna disagree with me feel free to, but I never check these so you prolly wont get a reply :)
Rezzy,
Saryrn Servah.
According to Monkly Business and Magelo, the haste on the silvery belt of contention is 21%, exactly the same as the FBSS. It helps to have a source that is measuring all the items in the same way, because the number can vary depending on how it is calculated, and different people use different ways to calculate haste.
This looks like it would be a particularly nice item for SKs and Pallies, because of the INT and WIS bonus.
This looks like it would be a particularly nice item for SKs and Pallies, because of the INT and WIS bonus.
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I won the role on this today, and it is replacing my SCHW immediately. It is faster that the SCHW (noticably faster.) Too bad I destroyed a backpack containing my Sentry gaunts by mistake last week as I have no good stat glove (besides the SCHW) to wear. DOH!
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actually, according to my own private testing and back up from monkly-business.com, this is 1% slower than SCHW... if u'd like a link, by all means....
http://pub35.ezboard.com/fmonklybusiness43508frm3.showMessage?topicID=5085.topic
http://pub35.ezboard.com/fmonklybusiness43508frm3.showMessage?topicID=5085.topic
Seems to be a random drop in Kael, though I looted mine from a Protector of Zek. Though needy peeps try to rape it's value imho it will hold its price , rock bottom at 20k.
Skulreaver Swiftblade
55 Outrider Eci
Crimson Legacy
Dualwielder Extrordiniare
Grandmaster Drinker, Fletcher, and Archer
Skulreaver Swiftblade
55 Outrider Eci
Crimson Legacy
Dualwielder Extrordiniare
Grandmaster Drinker, Fletcher, and Archer
6 posts
Note: Haste value percentage is how much your damage is increased in a given interval of time vs. no haste a the same given interval.
I've heard that the haste percent on this belt is 21% like an FBSS. Then I read that it's 27-30%. Then I read on a rare occassion that it's 33% ! Now I'm thinking people of different levels have different haste as each new level changes the haste this belt has on you.
Now i want to know what the exact haste this item has, your class at the time of use, and what level you were. I'm a 53 sk using the strength of grodan (51 delay), and it appears that the haste on this is 27%. Someone letme know their values so that i can determine if this item is worth the 17600pp i paid for it.
I've heard that the haste percent on this belt is 21% like an FBSS. Then I read that it's 27-30%. Then I read on a rare occassion that it's 33% ! Now I'm thinking people of different levels have different haste as each new level changes the haste this belt has on you.
Now i want to know what the exact haste this item has, your class at the time of use, and what level you were. I'm a 53 sk using the strength of grodan (51 delay), and it appears that the haste on this is 27%. Someone letme know their values so that i can determine if this item is worth the 17600pp i paid for it.
11 posts
A slower swinging weapon will throw off your data. I parsed this vs the fbss with an ebon mace. Absolutley no difference at all.
With a slower weapon (I used a 40 40 reaver), it even seemed the swirlspine belt was as fast as the fbss but when I did it with the ebon mace it obviously showed 16%.
With a slower weapon (I used a 40 40 reaver), it even seemed the swirlspine belt was as fast as the fbss but when I did it with the ebon mace it obviously showed 16%.
6 posts
Yikes. Oddly enough, www.magelo.com rates the silvery belt of contention the same haste speed as fbss (21%). Assuming that is correct, I'm quite disappointed. And aye, comparing this belt vs. the fbss should yield no difference at all because *sniff* they're the same haste %. Damn, so RBG and CoF/CoCW is still way better, and way more expensive. I used a /log test, which records everything that occurs in my text box with a timestamp on it. It showed that I attack 0.5 seconds faster (using a 51 delay weapon, Strength of Grodan). I'm guessing that slight delay reduction yields 21% increase in damage. =/ I'll do another test using a 32/40 weapon (honed velium war lance) and post what I find.
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It is trully a shame that there are so many entries accross this site referencing which class should be allowed to roll etc. etc. (and then said posts actually turn into flame wars OMG LOL)Who cares! This is one of the reasons everlore went down the crapper. Posts regarding items should be centered around known info about said item: Where to find it, how hard is the mob, and so on. It sucks trying to wade thru all the crap posts just to find any usefull information here.
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Well just for the hell of it I'll post this and hope to calm the masses as to what drops this ...last night I and a few close friends took over the right side of the arena just the 6 of us and the belt dropped off of a trooper spawn right at the ramp up to the arena. 3 weeks ago I was on a private raid and one dropped off one of the Clerics of Zek, and with what has been posted here Vets and Prots also drop it , so IMO I would say that like other zones this is a random drop of many of the mobs in the zone, hope that clears it up a bit
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Int casters, Clerics, and Druids might as well not even try rolling for it because they simply just end up selling it when they find something with more wis/int/cha/RESISTANCE or even crap hp for that matter. They know Damn well ac barely means anything to them because #1 they can GATE, #2 they don't get a high defense skill cap to begin with, and #3 your hp is too damn low to even take a hit no matter how much AC you have. As for haste jeez talk about greed. HASTE IS FOR MELEE and SHAMANS !!! plain and simple. Melee save your asses hell without melee you TOV or uber zones like that cannot be done. Well I'm not trying to say that casters are useless in that matter but damn u guys hit hard enough with your spells. Consider the fact that melee's dont have spells and that they need to put out enough dmg to not only kill the mob but to keep the aggro on him/her as well. In conclusion I would say that this item is for melee simply becase you get nice belts anyway for example belt of dwarf slaying if you have kael faction and grotesque girdle ( i know its tough to pop that out of the dracoliche).
If I was in a group and this dropped I would definitely want my cnance to roll on it. Whether I can use it or not I fought just like everyone else in the group and deserve my chance to capitalize on it.
Khirsanth 50 Mage Fennin Ro
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Posted: Mar 09 2002 at 3:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I don't particularly see whats wrong with selling an item you roll on, the item you sell will be going onto someone else to use and will benifit someone elses group
Haste is for Melee and Shamans???
While I agree that you dress wearing freaks can deal more damage than us tree huggers, I fail to see why you think that shamen can compare to melees on haste. They can't even outdamage a bard. Yes, of all the pure casters (all clerics do is cast, same with druids, that makes us pure casters) shamen are the best at melee. But to put them on a loot roll / consideration for an item with haste is rediculous. Bards and Beastmasters deal more melee damage than shamen, plain and simple. The fact that shamen don't get dual wield OR double attack means that they aren't melee caliber. Should they never melee? They should melee as long as they are full mana and their group members are full of hp, or when they are soloing, but don't even compare them to melees on getting haste items.
Edited, Fri Feb 22 21:06:57 2002
While I agree that you dress wearing freaks can deal more damage than us tree huggers, I fail to see why you think that shamen can compare to melees on haste. They can't even outdamage a bard. Yes, of all the pure casters (all clerics do is cast, same with druids, that makes us pure casters) shamen are the best at melee. But to put them on a loot roll / consideration for an item with haste is rediculous. Bards and Beastmasters deal more melee damage than shamen, plain and simple. The fact that shamen don't get dual wield OR double attack means that they aren't melee caliber. Should they never melee? They should melee as long as they are full mana and their group members are full of hp, or when they are soloing, but don't even compare them to melees on getting haste items.
Edited, Fri Feb 22 21:06:57 2002
37 posts
I think this would be pretty awesome for me (a Shaman) it has decnt AC and STA and WIS. high level shamans need STA abd AC and teh WIS is a nice bonus and the haste just rocks. Shamans get hit they get aggro but they equip themselves to take it.
They can lay down decnt damage using 2HB weapons. (still regretting waiting till my 40's to start working on it) I can hit for like 70 damage and only have a 75 2HB skill wait till I manage to get it up to like 200 be hitting for well over 100 with it the haste would definattly help getting that 2HB back out there for another strike.
They can lay down decnt damage using 2HB weapons. (still regretting waiting till my 40's to start working on it) I can hit for like 70 damage and only have a 75 2HB skill wait till I manage to get it up to like 200 be hitting for well over 100 with it the haste would definattly help getting that 2HB back out there for another strike.
43 posts
k, first off, wis casters arent pure casters, second off int casters are pure casters (cant melee worth a ****) and third, why in the hell would someone use a haste belt for a caster, melee's are the only peeps that need em, why you ask? to hit faster thus keep more aggro, no casters need a haste thing of any sort, unless they got screwed over and is only one left in a raid or whatever....but that'd never happen cuz they'd just cast gate....so in short casters dont need! melees, do!
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Posted: Mar 09 2002 at 3:54 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You for one are a person that needs a haste item, I think all casters/priests should be twinked with one. Attack may not be that great but if you are like me and have a druid using thorns and heal you need a nice melee rate
4 posts
If someone is in a group and they want to roll on an item, and can roll on it(if they have one and its lore), they should be allowed to roll on it. I may not want the wizard to get the haste item but they have every right to roll on it.
Chugga Frostybrew
Festering Horde
Man of many alts
Tarew Marr
Edited, Wed Apr 10 20:50:55 2002
Chugga Frostybrew
Festering Horde
Man of many alts
Tarew Marr
Edited, Wed Apr 10 20:50:55 2002
14 posts
As my main is a monk, I (of course) believe that haste is for melee, spec. monks. But rolling/distributing is another matter. As I understand it, loot is either FFA or CaWU. If loot was agreed to be FFA, then there's no question as to distribution. However, if the loot is CaWU, then I think melee (read monks, spec. me) without haste items should get preference, second preference going to the meeles who's haste happens item to be worse then the drop. Face it, for most casters, haste is just going to help you miss faster.
25 posts
I didn't read all this crap so I don't know if anyone already posted what it came from. We got one last night off of "Veteran Elyloren" by the bank. He was a lvl 57 mob that was easily taken down by our 2 groups of mostly 54+. We also saw this guy in the arena but this one dropped nothing at all.
Just wanna carve a little Z in your forehead!!
Kaiman Yermahm
54th Disciple
Monarchy of the Dead
Lanys T'vyl
Just wanna carve a little Z in your forehead!!
Kaiman Yermahm
54th Disciple
Monarchy of the Dead
Lanys T'vyl
5 posts
I got this belt for m dr00d last nite, and it awesome, i fully twinked out a dr00d and tonite(befor i made this post) i went from lvl 1 to lvl 19, u say its only good for melee cause others dont need the AC for they gonna live a second longer or something like that, it a beutiful belt, maybe a caster has a better belt, so what this is a nice item they shouldnt be left out of roll because they a caster or have a better belt, im a 60 necro(main) 57 enc 55 monk and 19 dr00d (yea i have no life =) i have 4 computers and i just think its unfair for casters to be left out of roll- what if they wanted for another character like i did (PS i was in same grouo with necro enc and monk and got 3 different belts =) ssshhhhhh.... anyway this is a beutiful item and just wanted to coment on that
not going to name server/name of characters,lol dont wanna get busted
have a nice Day.
P.S. the NO weight is also nice
Edited, Thu Jan 31 18:57:28 2002
not going to name server/name of characters,lol dont wanna get busted
have a nice Day.
P.S. the NO weight is also nice
Edited, Thu Jan 31 18:57:28 2002
13 posts
Umm.. if your in a kael pickup raid that isn't NBG, I say everyone rolls, but on that note, if your on a pickup kael raid, get ready for your CR, cause your gunna die! A lot!
you people man.
It has haste. haste is for toons that swing blades. casters dont swing blades.
Casters! - melees are the meatshields that seperate you from the mobs that will tear you apart. Haste will strengthen the opportunity to do so.
you can get a 10 ac belt with int wis stats elsewhere.
when haste is involved, its for melees. don't waste it. stop being asses
It has haste. haste is for toons that swing blades. casters dont swing blades.
Casters! - melees are the meatshields that seperate you from the mobs that will tear you apart. Haste will strengthen the opportunity to do so.
you can get a 10 ac belt with int wis stats elsewhere.
when haste is involved, its for melees. don't waste it. stop being asses
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Posted: Feb 10 2002 at 10:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What an outstandingly stupid post you moron :P
6 posts
I hope I group with you, and win the WIS/INT/whatever item you so badly want. Thank you for taking away from a melee that prolly would have loved this belt as I would have.
Definately not for casters. Should stay on a melee person. And I am a caster btw. 53 chanter on Tribunal
Dalcron
Dalcron
4 posts
Geesh look at all the posts ******** at each other. It's typical how messageboard posts always turn into flaming and fights I guess, even these posts which are supposed to be about items... I'm wondering what the haste % is on this, heard FBSS (sounds about right), heard 33% or higher (no way, there are few 36% items out there, and this aint gonna be one of them).
As for the discussion about who should be able to roll and who shouldnt... IMO yes casters would be allowed to roll.... It's a haste item, which generally means it's gonna be melee only, but for wis/int casters 10 ac is very nice too. To the hypocrits who think only tanks can use AC, you're dead wrong, try playing a druid, getting hit, then play a pure caster and get hit (there's not that much difference between those 2 in AC, and they're both casters so "worthless" tanks). Yet the druid will live A LOT longer then the caster, AC aint worthless for a caster, period. Now in guild raids, yes this will most likely be melee only roll, I'm lucky enough to be in a guild of friends, so we dont have stupid fights over this, the casters just say are there any melees who need this? One melee'er says I can use it, so the casters stay out. On a pickup things can go ugly of course, and dont tell me kael arena pickup raids dont exist, they suck, but there are pickup raids on Kael. Then to the person (whoever it was) who said for those who need wis/int, buy this or this or this belt for so much... that's all nice but those belts lack AC. Then you can reply just as well for those melee's who need haste, get FBSS, 3.5k or less. Personally I wouldnt mind a caster rolling on this too, then again I have CoF so dont have to worry about this anyway. :p All I'm saying is, haste isnt everything on an item, stats count too. Take RBG in seb for example, really nice stats other then haste too, and I know ppl with a CoF who still wear RBG too, and if one drops, I will want to roll on it for stats, not for haste, unless we have a melee who desperately needs an upgrade (ie no haste item or really crappy one). So I'm a greedy ***** for wanting to roll on an item which has good stats but I wont be using the haste? Or its ok I roll on it since melee's need haste even tho I cant use the haste? /shrug
Just to all the melee's who say that casters should NEVER be allowed to roll haste items, immagine a scenario where gloves drop with stats say ... 30 ac 20int/wis 50hp Effect flowing thought all/all. So here it has mana regen effect and very nice int/wis, but then again AC and HP are awsome for a tank too, so what would you, as tank say? No casters go ahead, this is obviously better for casters since it has manaregen and high int/wis?? Or will you say no way I wanna roll, 30ac and 50hp's is too good to miss? Not respecting a good caster drop that melee's can use too? It's only because this scenario never occured that all melee's feel ANY haste item is melee and melee only, but believe me, they would be ******** just as much that they should be allowed to roll those gaunts as casters are ******** that not EVERY haste item should be melee only. /rant off =p
Hissie Fitte
54 Disciple
As for the discussion about who should be able to roll and who shouldnt... IMO yes casters would be allowed to roll.... It's a haste item, which generally means it's gonna be melee only, but for wis/int casters 10 ac is very nice too. To the hypocrits who think only tanks can use AC, you're dead wrong, try playing a druid, getting hit, then play a pure caster and get hit (there's not that much difference between those 2 in AC, and they're both casters so "worthless" tanks). Yet the druid will live A LOT longer then the caster, AC aint worthless for a caster, period. Now in guild raids, yes this will most likely be melee only roll, I'm lucky enough to be in a guild of friends, so we dont have stupid fights over this, the casters just say are there any melees who need this? One melee'er says I can use it, so the casters stay out. On a pickup things can go ugly of course, and dont tell me kael arena pickup raids dont exist, they suck, but there are pickup raids on Kael. Then to the person (whoever it was) who said for those who need wis/int, buy this or this or this belt for so much... that's all nice but those belts lack AC. Then you can reply just as well for those melee's who need haste, get FBSS, 3.5k or less. Personally I wouldnt mind a caster rolling on this too, then again I have CoF so dont have to worry about this anyway. :p All I'm saying is, haste isnt everything on an item, stats count too. Take RBG in seb for example, really nice stats other then haste too, and I know ppl with a CoF who still wear RBG too, and if one drops, I will want to roll on it for stats, not for haste, unless we have a melee who desperately needs an upgrade (ie no haste item or really crappy one). So I'm a greedy ***** for wanting to roll on an item which has good stats but I wont be using the haste? Or its ok I roll on it since melee's need haste even tho I cant use the haste? /shrug
Just to all the melee's who say that casters should NEVER be allowed to roll haste items, immagine a scenario where gloves drop with stats say ... 30 ac 20int/wis 50hp Effect flowing thought all/all. So here it has mana regen effect and very nice int/wis, but then again AC and HP are awsome for a tank too, so what would you, as tank say? No casters go ahead, this is obviously better for casters since it has manaregen and high int/wis?? Or will you say no way I wanna roll, 30ac and 50hp's is too good to miss? Not respecting a good caster drop that melee's can use too? It's only because this scenario never occured that all melee's feel ANY haste item is melee and melee only, but believe me, they would be ******** just as much that they should be allowed to roll those gaunts as casters are ******** that not EVERY haste item should be melee only. /rant off =p
Hissie Fitte
54 Disciple
6 posts
This had got to be the stupidist argumment I've ever seen trying to explain why a caster should roll on this. I do feel casters should roll, not because "10ac is nice" bullsh*t, but because casters dont get near as may nice drops as melee classes do, this all goes back to NBG, NBG is fine in a guild raid but not in a pickup group. I mean hell yeah a caster can sell this and buy some items that they "NEED", so the NBG argument in a pickup group is nothing but BS because because it all boils down to one thing..."plat". So... if you want a 10 ac belt go buy a strawpun for 50plat you idiot. Why do you think this thing goes for 15-20k? Becasue it's got good AC? OMG gimme a break. This is a purely melee class item, if I ever saw a caster wearing this I would bit*hslap the hell out of them. Sell it to a class that can use it and buy yourself a new robe or something. Dont try and justify your idiotic argument that a druid or a caster would actually like to get this thing to actually wear it. So...I agree with your argument that all should roll for an item like this in a pickip group, but your reasoning as to why has got to be the stupidist thing I've ever read. OMG I still can't believe you actually had the nerve to type that out.
21 posts
10AC, 4Sta, 5Wis/Int is awesome for ANY CLASS you moron, especially casters. The only reason the tanks are crying about it is because it has haste on it. Ideally this is suited for a Paladin, SK or Ranger but it is ALL ALL and ALL classes would love to have this belt. I have a 60 Druid, 54 Mage and a 47 Warrior and i would make this a permanent part of any of my character's wardrobes. Yes NBG in guild groups and random on pickups, that goes without saying. Any class would be happy to wear this so think before you flame. -bit*hslaps flamer-
13 posts
Noone mentioned what mob drops this.
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I got this belt awhile ago because everyone on the raid was whining about who gets it. Everyone agreed it was a hybrid class belt...luckily for me being a bard (the ultimate hybrid) I got it. Although i don't need 3 lousy WIS the AC STA and HASTE is truely a nice add. I have been wearing it ever since and can't seem to part with it...got one of those 20ac 15str/wis belts from Maiden's and still can't part with it :P..
Won the roll on this belt in Kael several nights ago. Great stats, excellent haste. Sell this, I think not. As a ranger, if and when I finally get my quest epic, Swiftwind, which has more haste, I will hand this down to my shadowknight. This belt, IMHO, is a keeper.
Skulreaver Swiftblade
51 Pathfinder Eci
P.S. Add chanter haste, with bard haste to belt...omg
Skulreaver Swiftblade
51 Pathfinder Eci
P.S. Add chanter haste, with bard haste to belt...omg
6 posts
Look I'm a shaman on prexus in a good guild for that server and I love listening to people drone on about who should be allowed to roll for what.
No tank in my guild needs this belt, and I got this thing in a group not on a raid. Who randoms stuff on raids? If 36 people go on 20 raids together and all the loot is randomed people are gonna be left with no loot while others will get some lucky rolls and get 4 or 5 items. I hate forums but the servers are down so ehh. Perhaps I will buy a CoF just to "offend".
Edited, Mon Dec 3 17:16:27 2001
No tank in my guild needs this belt, and I got this thing in a group not on a raid. Who randoms stuff on raids? If 36 people go on 20 raids together and all the loot is randomed people are gonna be left with no loot while others will get some lucky rolls and get 4 or 5 items. I hate forums but the servers are down so ehh. Perhaps I will buy a CoF just to "offend".
Edited, Mon Dec 3 17:16:27 2001
Who randoms stuff on raids? *cough*
Actually it's a shame that it sounds like on your raids, you have people allowed to win more than one good item per raid. Most of the high-level raids I've been on, on Seventh, have a general "you win one good item, you're out for the rest of the drops" (aka pick your rolls carefully!). Exceptions of course to this are things like very rare items (ie BP drops in Kael Arena).
Past raid wins are not held "against" those on the current raid. IE, if you won great arms last raid to Kael doesn't mean you don't get to roll this time... but for niceness sake, you hopefully have the class to say "I'll sit out this roll."
Actually it's a shame that it sounds like on your raids, you have people allowed to win more than one good item per raid. Most of the high-level raids I've been on, on Seventh, have a general "you win one good item, you're out for the rest of the drops" (aka pick your rolls carefully!). Exceptions of course to this are things like very rare items (ie BP drops in Kael Arena).
Past raid wins are not held "against" those on the current raid. IE, if you won great arms last raid to Kael doesn't mean you don't get to roll this time... but for niceness sake, you hopefully have the class to say "I'll sit out this roll."
Guys I have this belt now on my 56 warrior and I had a fbss before it....I can tell you it is much faster then a fbss ..I have not clocked it but I would say 28 % to 30 % would be about right.
I have killed certian mobs over and over again with the fbss and this belt and with this belt on the mob dies much faster then with the fbss hands down...
I have killed certian mobs over and over again with the fbss and this belt and with this belt on the mob dies much faster then with the fbss hands down...
Just picked this up in EC (gave up an iksar regen bp, blade of the senchel, some junk items i didnt want to spend time selling, and sash of the dragonborn which i was using to that point for it) this belt feels about equivalent to the SotDB in haste (which is 25% from what I hear, never reawlly tested it, just trusted my guild heh), maybe a little faster. Definately faster than fbss... With the current pricing on E'ci, I payed about 16-18k, depending on ones patience hehe, with mark-ups for accpting trade that frequent the economy, that equates 14-15k cash (he was a ranger and wanted to use the regen bp... otherwise the differnce would have been greater and he probably would have declined... :/) By the stats and the price of the SotDB being about 7-9k, depending on the supply and demand of the day (dunno bout other servers but prices vary alot from day to day on E'ci, FBSS go from 2.5-5k, Iksar BPs are 4-5.5k, PRENERF Circlet of Shadows are from 5-50k [ever seen 2 60s in the server's 2 biggest guilds vieing for the sale?])'
I am quite satisfyed with the purchase... about 16-18k worth of gear that would have taken me a while to unload and 700p in cash (he needed the magic number 700 for something... dunno, he was nice about it and i wanted to leave so i said what the hell and gave it up) for a belt which i find substantially better than the sash of the dragonborn. Seeing as I still see 60s using fbss, kinda makes me feel good too hehe.
Aside from the haste, which I would place near the RBG, so I dont know why this is so much cheaper (never used an rbg but was grouped with another SK who was also using ebon mace and had a RBG and we swung with almost identicle frequency), the stats are quite nice. Few if any belts short of soandso's belt of defense (20ac 15str/wis) from maiden's eye have more ac and the sta and int are useful to me as a SK, the wis would be nice for a pally ranger.
As to who can role, Its up to the raid leader. If you are concerned, ask and make your points to him/her before the raid starts. My persnal opinion is that need before greed should always pervail, and casters cant get near the full benefit of this piece. There are cheaper belts with more wis for sure and probably the same with int, tho i cant think of any off the top of my head. If all the tanks had better haste items, then it would be no problem for casters to roll but as i said, i frequently see 60s using fbss so that isnt likely...
I'll Shut up now
I am quite satisfyed with the purchase... about 16-18k worth of gear that would have taken me a while to unload and 700p in cash (he needed the magic number 700 for something... dunno, he was nice about it and i wanted to leave so i said what the hell and gave it up) for a belt which i find substantially better than the sash of the dragonborn. Seeing as I still see 60s using fbss, kinda makes me feel good too hehe.
Aside from the haste, which I would place near the RBG, so I dont know why this is so much cheaper (never used an rbg but was grouped with another SK who was also using ebon mace and had a RBG and we swung with almost identicle frequency), the stats are quite nice. Few if any belts short of soandso's belt of defense (20ac 15str/wis) from maiden's eye have more ac and the sta and int are useful to me as a SK, the wis would be nice for a pally ranger.
As to who can role, Its up to the raid leader. If you are concerned, ask and make your points to him/her before the raid starts. My persnal opinion is that need before greed should always pervail, and casters cant get near the full benefit of this piece. There are cheaper belts with more wis for sure and probably the same with int, tho i cant think of any off the top of my head. If all the tanks had better haste items, then it would be no problem for casters to roll but as i said, i frequently see 60s using fbss so that isnt likely...
I'll Shut up now
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I'm not too sure you guys are right on the haste. My friend whom I trust of this info, he took an fbss and the belt (as a caster so no double attack or duel wield) and including misses came out to about the same amout of attacks in the same amount of time. so i hope that helps as to what the stats are.
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I too have tested and retested this belt vs. the FBSS and this belt is considerably faster. My estimate would be 25-28% increase. Along with the AC and other stats, a massive upgrade from the FBSS. Justinious, 53 Paladin
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Haste % on this one is 28-30%. Tested and re-tested. And yes I am a shaman and yes I own with this belt and my Rune Etched Icewurm Fang. Whoever says that no priest caster should roll on this must be on drugs. AC is great, sta helps the hp and the wis is nice (there are better but nice). If the belt was intended to be melee only it would be like that. I am 100% NBG but when u dont know my stats how you can say that I dont need it. This is my normal belt and will be for a long time. So pls put the crack pipe down.
Bayamon Blackkiss
lvl 55 shaman
Proud officer of Storm of Dragons
E. Marr
Bayamon Blackkiss
lvl 55 shaman
Proud officer of Storm of Dragons
E. Marr
finally, someone who speaks since. this helps shaman's just as much as anyone, and anyone who says shamans should just cast haven't seen a hasted shaman with a good weap :)
Larendan Nitewolf
40th Winter Shaman of Lanys
Coalition of Power
Larendan Nitewolf
40th Winter Shaman of Lanys
Coalition of Power
28 posts
I'm kinda curious all you who are posting on NBG, and why casters should not, and why they should be able to roll on it.. Who cares. I saw this drop in the arena.. Was with guild on the raid. The person who organized the lil get together, made the decion on who got to roll on it. It all depends on what type of group your in, if you would get to roll on this.. This is a great belt, w/ nice stats for many class's.. But typically in a NBG environment. HASTE will equal melee item. Again.. This is all set up by whom ever is leading yer group.
NE who, I lost roll on it, however I got a pair of hand wraps as a great hand me down.. hehe so, I'm not complaing.. Just wanna know what the HASTE is on this..
NE who, I lost roll on it, however I got a pair of hand wraps as a great hand me down.. hehe so, I'm not complaing.. Just wanna know what the HASTE is on this..
i was lucky enuff to add one of these to my attire today...and 29k would not part it from me(if that is the goin price) no clue what the haste is but basically this thing owns the hangman's noose and the FBSS.
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Haste on this is 21%
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Haste is ~28-30% not 21% as posted above...
k thx
k thx
Ok NBG aside...Where exactly does this drop?Can you get it before the Zeks or you have to clear them and go deeper in?
Vuurl Angryblade
54 Inkie Reaver
Vuurl Angryblade
54 Inkie Reaver
33 posts
My guild actually got one of these belts off one of the POZs at the arena. I ended up getting it.
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Many good points made on the NBG argument on all sides.
Does anyone actually know what haste % this has? I noticed one guy said 33%, but frankly, I find that hard to believe. I've heard it's roughly FBSS % haste from several people. Anyone actually checked for themselves? If so, can you describe your method of checking the haste % please?
Does anyone actually know what haste % this has? I noticed one guy said 33%, but frankly, I find that hard to believe. I've heard it's roughly FBSS % haste from several people. Anyone actually checked for themselves? If so, can you describe your method of checking the haste % please?
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I will go ahead and assume that everything you say about Priest/Caster classes wanting to roll on this item but not truely needing it is true.. Frankly, as a cleric, i would never roll on this (my guild does not random loot anyway, but that's besides the point) since it would best serve my pet tanks making them more efficient, and therefore me more efficient too...
But please do not make blanket greed statements regarding desire for this item... Never once, outside of my guild, have EVER seen a melee get defaulted or win a roll on an item and then say "Gee.. I don't need my FBSS anymore now that i got the belt... I should put it up for the other melee who don' t have a haste item to roll on.. or if all the melee have one everybody should roll on my old FBSS".. no... Infact you can bet that 99% of the time the next time you see that melee who won the belt it will be in EC auctioning to sell their old FBSS.
You talk about priest class or caster class greed.. but when was the last time you showed up to a group carrying a stack of peridots to cover the clerics symbol costs or the enchanters rune costs? When was the last time you reimbursed the mage for the pearls he used to CoTH you? When was the last time you spoke up in your group and made sure that ALL the casters costs were covered before loot was evenly divided up?
I am a cleric and I believe in Need Before Greed... I also don't think I should have to spend 1000pp a week or more for the sheer priviledge of grouping with you because you don't recognize the costs associated with some of my spells. Before you go and tell me that your guild covers all the reagent costs of casters (which any decent or better guild will do), I am talking about experience groups here.. whether that be pickup or comprised of friends/guildies.
Don't think you can arbitrarily throw out your silly little greed card until you have walked a mile in the shoes of the other classes. Individuals can be greedy, categorizing groups of people as greedy only shows ignorance.
Panteroo Mcgillakudy
Templar
Fennin Ro
But please do not make blanket greed statements regarding desire for this item... Never once, outside of my guild, have EVER seen a melee get defaulted or win a roll on an item and then say "Gee.. I don't need my FBSS anymore now that i got the belt... I should put it up for the other melee who don' t have a haste item to roll on.. or if all the melee have one everybody should roll on my old FBSS".. no... Infact you can bet that 99% of the time the next time you see that melee who won the belt it will be in EC auctioning to sell their old FBSS.
You talk about priest class or caster class greed.. but when was the last time you showed up to a group carrying a stack of peridots to cover the clerics symbol costs or the enchanters rune costs? When was the last time you reimbursed the mage for the pearls he used to CoTH you? When was the last time you spoke up in your group and made sure that ALL the casters costs were covered before loot was evenly divided up?
I am a cleric and I believe in Need Before Greed... I also don't think I should have to spend 1000pp a week or more for the sheer priviledge of grouping with you because you don't recognize the costs associated with some of my spells. Before you go and tell me that your guild covers all the reagent costs of casters (which any decent or better guild will do), I am talking about experience groups here.. whether that be pickup or comprised of friends/guildies.
Don't think you can arbitrarily throw out your silly little greed card until you have walked a mile in the shoes of the other classes. Individuals can be greedy, categorizing groups of people as greedy only shows ignorance.
Panteroo Mcgillakudy
Templar
Fennin Ro
Actually friend....we default all cash loots to clerics.....our people DO generally donate their uneeded items to the vault when they get something better. I have bought the stones for Hate myself and Peridots for the clerics without expecting reimbursement.
So dont throw a stone at me please friend. You have no idea what shoes I have walked in. And I didn't characterize all Priests as greedy because I play a Druid myself.
I said if they rolled on THIS ITEM they are greedy because there are things that are easily acquirable that are cheap and/or better for them.
So I would suggest thinking before making insulting posts espically when what you posted is moot and wrong. It does not serve you well to get up on your "Poor Cleric" soap box, when you have no real argument here against me.
I fully know the costs of playing a cleric because I have both a high level Druid and high level cleric. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before posting, eh?
And you know what I do when I want a symbol when I play my Druid? I hand the cleric Peridots. Yes, I know I am the exception and not the rule on this issue, but my point here is that I can make my statement because of who I am and the way I play my character. Thus you have no right to call me down when you know nothing about me and the way I play.
And because I play two high levels of these classes I have the right BASED ON EVIDENCE in my previous post that for a Priest class to roll on THIS ITEM is greedy.
So dont throw a stone at me please friend. You have no idea what shoes I have walked in. And I didn't characterize all Priests as greedy because I play a Druid myself.
I said if they rolled on THIS ITEM they are greedy because there are things that are easily acquirable that are cheap and/or better for them.
So I would suggest thinking before making insulting posts espically when what you posted is moot and wrong. It does not serve you well to get up on your "Poor Cleric" soap box, when you have no real argument here against me.
I fully know the costs of playing a cleric because I have both a high level Druid and high level cleric. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before posting, eh?
And you know what I do when I want a symbol when I play my Druid? I hand the cleric Peridots. Yes, I know I am the exception and not the rule on this issue, but my point here is that I can make my statement because of who I am and the way I play my character. Thus you have no right to call me down when you know nothing about me and the way I play.
And because I play two high levels of these classes I have the right BASED ON EVIDENCE in my previous post that for a Priest class to roll on THIS ITEM is greedy.
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Then we need to work on our communication skills.... either your typing or my reading.. because what you posted in the original post was:
"No PRIEST class should ever consider rolling on this belt. Anyone that does is just simply greedy and here is why."
To my eyes that simply says that any priest class that considers rolling on this item is greedy... That is a blanket characterization in my book.
Had you taken the time to read the first paragraph of my reply to you you would have seen that I infact agreed with the assessment you put forth. So you can please climb down off your "Poor Wounded Me" soapbox and I'll get off my "Poor Cleric" one.. Perhaps we could hold ands and step off together? :)
As for this tasty tidbit:
"And because I play two high levels of these classes I have the right BASED ON EVIDENCE in my previous post that for a Priest class to roll on THIS ITEM is greedy."
No where in your previous post did ever declare that you had a Druid and Cleric of "high level". If you wish to claim your right, because you have played 2 high level priest classes, to think that a Priest class rolling on this item is greedy, that is fine... It is usually accepted that you post your credentials prior to making such assessments. A simple "Having played a cleric and a druid to post 50, I think that any Priest class rolling on this item is only being greedy" goes alot further in our understanding of your opinion and the credentials you have to back up your statements.
Thank you for answering my questions. You are the rare person who does come prepared.. which does not surprise me since you have played a cleric. The only clarification I seek is that I got the impression that you were talking about guildmate groups or guild raids from this:
"our people DO generally donate their uneeded items to the vault when they get something better. I have bought the stones for Hate myself and Peridots for the clerics without expecting reimbursement."
If i was mistaken in thinking that you were refering to guildmate or guild raid situations, i apologize. But do you ever seriously see people pass things down in a pickup group? I see it happen on raids and occassionally in groups with friends/guildmates.... but never on a voluntary basis in a pickup group. But then again, i hear my server has a general "Greedy" stigma associated with it anyway. Perhaps it really does work that well all the time on other servers... /shrug
As for my post being moot and wrong... That is your opinion, my only objection was your characterization of Priest classes being greedy if they considered rolling on this item. What priest class wouldn't be interested in a 10ac 5wis belt after all? If you wanted me to know about what i was talking about prior to posting, please make sure to include the necessary background information in your original assessments that undeniably establishes you as an expert in the subject matter.
BTW, having two high level characters of these classes gives you the right to post your opinion.... ironically, so does having 2 low level characters, or 8 high level characters, etc...
As for calling you down, I am sorry if you felt my reference to you playing the "Silly little greed card" comment was overly harsh, insulting, or incorrect. You probably found it as insulting as I found your blanket greed statement towards Priest classes who would consider rolling on this item. Take the apology or don't, the choice is yours..
Thanks... The "Poor Cleric" on his soapbox who atleast supported his opinion with the facts and background information necessary to do so...
Panteroo
58 Cleric
55 Warrior
54 Druid
44 Necromancer
20 Bard (sorry, I am bad at twisting)
"No PRIEST class should ever consider rolling on this belt. Anyone that does is just simply greedy and here is why."
To my eyes that simply says that any priest class that considers rolling on this item is greedy... That is a blanket characterization in my book.
Had you taken the time to read the first paragraph of my reply to you you would have seen that I infact agreed with the assessment you put forth. So you can please climb down off your "Poor Wounded Me" soapbox and I'll get off my "Poor Cleric" one.. Perhaps we could hold ands and step off together? :)
As for this tasty tidbit:
"And because I play two high levels of these classes I have the right BASED ON EVIDENCE in my previous post that for a Priest class to roll on THIS ITEM is greedy."
No where in your previous post did ever declare that you had a Druid and Cleric of "high level". If you wish to claim your right, because you have played 2 high level priest classes, to think that a Priest class rolling on this item is greedy, that is fine... It is usually accepted that you post your credentials prior to making such assessments. A simple "Having played a cleric and a druid to post 50, I think that any Priest class rolling on this item is only being greedy" goes alot further in our understanding of your opinion and the credentials you have to back up your statements.
Thank you for answering my questions. You are the rare person who does come prepared.. which does not surprise me since you have played a cleric. The only clarification I seek is that I got the impression that you were talking about guildmate groups or guild raids from this:
"our people DO generally donate their uneeded items to the vault when they get something better. I have bought the stones for Hate myself and Peridots for the clerics without expecting reimbursement."
If i was mistaken in thinking that you were refering to guildmate or guild raid situations, i apologize. But do you ever seriously see people pass things down in a pickup group? I see it happen on raids and occassionally in groups with friends/guildmates.... but never on a voluntary basis in a pickup group. But then again, i hear my server has a general "Greedy" stigma associated with it anyway. Perhaps it really does work that well all the time on other servers... /shrug
As for my post being moot and wrong... That is your opinion, my only objection was your characterization of Priest classes being greedy if they considered rolling on this item. What priest class wouldn't be interested in a 10ac 5wis belt after all? If you wanted me to know about what i was talking about prior to posting, please make sure to include the necessary background information in your original assessments that undeniably establishes you as an expert in the subject matter.
BTW, having two high level characters of these classes gives you the right to post your opinion.... ironically, so does having 2 low level characters, or 8 high level characters, etc...
As for calling you down, I am sorry if you felt my reference to you playing the "Silly little greed card" comment was overly harsh, insulting, or incorrect. You probably found it as insulting as I found your blanket greed statement towards Priest classes who would consider rolling on this item. Take the apology or don't, the choice is yours..
Thanks... The "Poor Cleric" on his soapbox who atleast supported his opinion with the facts and background information necessary to do so...
Panteroo
58 Cleric
55 Warrior
54 Druid
44 Necromancer
20 Bard (sorry, I am bad at twisting)
Well my friends, I just wanted to let you know that there are many good people out there. (yes, even in a pick up group)
I was in a pick up group today and one of these droped. Being a 52 Beastlord I was interestend in the item but obviously the MA would get more use out of it. After a little talk with the members of the pickup group we came to this agreement (without a roll mind you).
I gave my sash of the dragonborn (higher haste but only stats are 2ac) to the MA so he could increase his dammage output. In return I recieved this item (with the Sta, wis, and AC being a great help to me).
IMHO this was the best for the pick up group, the best for the MA, and the best for me so I am quite pleased with this arangement.
My only point in putting this story up here is to point out that there are many nice and decent people playing EQ that can make a judgement based on what is logicly best for everyone rather than fight or bicker about it. Oh, and for all those that make sure to help out the Clerics, Thanks. Without the nice Clerics we would all be dead for sure.
Bobkat Friskykitty
52 Beastlord
I was in a pick up group today and one of these droped. Being a 52 Beastlord I was interestend in the item but obviously the MA would get more use out of it. After a little talk with the members of the pickup group we came to this agreement (without a roll mind you).
I gave my sash of the dragonborn (higher haste but only stats are 2ac) to the MA so he could increase his dammage output. In return I recieved this item (with the Sta, wis, and AC being a great help to me).
IMHO this was the best for the pick up group, the best for the MA, and the best for me so I am quite pleased with this arangement.
My only point in putting this story up here is to point out that there are many nice and decent people playing EQ that can make a judgement based on what is logicly best for everyone rather than fight or bicker about it. Oh, and for all those that make sure to help out the Clerics, Thanks. Without the nice Clerics we would all be dead for sure.
Bobkat Friskykitty
52 Beastlord
I think we both need to spend more time not reading these boards.
One of our Druids (level 55) wanted to roll on this belt and still is upset about it, that we only let melee roll.
I find it rather sad that people can not put the needs of the guild before their own needs.
No PRIEST class should ever consider rolling on this belt. Anyone that does is just simply greedy and here is why.
Druids shaman and clerics can ALL wear:
Crystalline Belt (3 wis 300-500pp)
Reed Belt (5 wis and 3-4k)
Mucilaginous Girdle (6 wis and 6-7k)
Also these classes have NO DROP belts that drop in the planes that are failrly common and Clerics have the Belt of the Cenobite which is VERY cheap for its stats.
Any PRIEST casters that roll on this are simply Greedy considering it would sell for 30k+ for a melee.
All INT casters can wear these:
Netted Kelp Sash (5 INT and less than 1k)
Braided Cinch Cord (4 INT and less than 500pp)
Crystalline Belt (3 INT 300-500pp)
There are MANY more INT belts avaialbe out there that can be used.
Bottom line: If you are a caster and you roll on this, you are greedy.
I find it rather sad that people can not put the needs of the guild before their own needs.
No PRIEST class should ever consider rolling on this belt. Anyone that does is just simply greedy and here is why.
Druids shaman and clerics can ALL wear:
Crystalline Belt (3 wis 300-500pp)
Reed Belt (5 wis and 3-4k)
Mucilaginous Girdle (6 wis and 6-7k)
Also these classes have NO DROP belts that drop in the planes that are failrly common and Clerics have the Belt of the Cenobite which is VERY cheap for its stats.
Any PRIEST casters that roll on this are simply Greedy considering it would sell for 30k+ for a melee.
All INT casters can wear these:
Netted Kelp Sash (5 INT and less than 1k)
Braided Cinch Cord (4 INT and less than 500pp)
Crystalline Belt (3 INT 300-500pp)
There are MANY more INT belts avaialbe out there that can be used.
Bottom line: If you are a caster and you roll on this, you are greedy.
Don't forget the Girdle of Rapidity. ac6, wis7, int7, cha7, mana50, fx: Haste (31%) that ONLY casters can wear. It drops in Chardok at the bank.
I disagree to this for Shaman at least. This would be an excellent waist item for Shaman. You have listed MANY good Shaman items, but have failed to note one thing, all those LACK the AC on the Silvery belt. I have read a thousand times that AC is king. I have also read a thousand times, and experienced it myself, Shaman do tank. We stack up debuffs and DOT's and get smacked. We need the AC to stay alive. I would roll on this item if it were to drop, simply for the AC and WIS. It would be a n addition in BOTH stats for me and I have pretty good equip already. I agree need before greed, but don't say that people dont need AC!
Just my 2cp worth.
Just my 2cp worth.
First off, this item is almost certainly going to be aquired on a guild raid and NOT by a pick-up group. So, whatever rules your guild uses to divide loot are what will decide the final resting place of this belt. The most likely outcome is that this will go to one of the melee classes. If perchance your guild decides otherwise, it will probably be because you are a very uber guild and all your melee types already have better stuff.
If perchance your main character is lower than the mid-40's, your opinion in this matter doesn't carry much weight. You may not realize it, but when you start going on raids, the whole issue of loot and your attitudes towards it change DRAMATICALLY. It is not a question of higher level people being smarter or superior to lower levels. It is a matter of perspective that few lower level people understand before they reach the upper levels. The ONLY WAY TO GET THE GOOD STUFF is to cooperate with your fellow guild members as friends and allies. If you treat them as competitors for loot, you will be shooting yourself in the foot and your guild will never achieve great things (assuming they all have a similar attitude). The odds are good that you will tick off your fellow guild members enough that eventually they will guild-remove you if you keep treating them like competition.
To a caster/healer, getting the wisdom or intelligence off of this item is nice. It is probably an upgrade to whatever item you currently have in that slot, but it is not a HUGE upgrade. It will increase your effectiveness in a raid, but only by a small amount. That amount of haste is almost guaranteed to be a huge upgrade to the abilities of at least one of the melee types present. It will make them MUCH more effective in combat. I am talking about a 30% or 40% increase in effectiveness for a fighter versus a 5% or 10% increase in effectiveness for a caster/healer (at best).
Some people argue that the hefty price tag on this item means a caster/healer should get a chance to roll on it so they can sell it to buy themselves some good stuff with it. On the surface, this seems like a good argument, but it has a serious flaw. Sellable loot can be divided into two basic groups. The first group is "common" loot. This loot is sold on a regular basis. If you want it and you have the money and/or trade goods, you can get it. The second group is "the good stuff". This loot is almost never sold. It is almost irreplacible. If perchance someone has "the good stuff" and they get an upgrade, the item they no longer need goes to someone in their guild. The point I am trying to make is that if you sell your "good stuff", you can't replace it in the East Commons. Suppose for example that on one raid, this item drops and a caster gets it and sells it for 30k and a warrior that could use it doesn't get it. Suppose that the next week, this warrior (in the same guild) gets a 30k caster item and sells it in EC. The caster who sold the belt wasn't on at the right time and missed his chance to buy the caster item from the warrior. The caster takes his money and hangs out in EC hoping to buy a item like the one the warrior sold, but it is never sold. The warrior hangs out in EC hoping to get this belt, but it is never sold either. Someone eventually has one for sale, but they want 50k for it. That is overpriced and the warrior doesn't have enough money, but the seller refuses to haggle. Eventually the seller actually finds someone with more money than he knows what to do with that is willing to pay 50k for the belt and the warrior is out of luck. If this guild had a NBG policy that insisted that a person USE high end raid loot they won and give it back to the guild when they no longer needed it, then the warrior would have this belt and the caster would have his really nice caster item and the guild would be stronger. Most guilds are well aware of this and do not need to have it spelled out to them.
A common misconception amongst casters is that it is easy for melee types to get a haste item. It is NOT EASY! People are fond of pointing out to me (I am a monk) the wonderful monk haste belt can be acquired in Plane of Air. They act as if I could just waltz up there and pick it off the ground. None of the 60th level monks in my guild has ever gotten this belt. We have only been to Plane of Air twice because it is such an expensive, time-consuming place to visit. Getting the quest items needed for this belt requires 5 or 6 visits to the Plane of Air. Each visit takes an entire weekend with the guild raiding for 12 hours or more each day. Only people that can devote this much of their weekend are allowed to go. Another item that actually has similar haste to this item but isn't as nice is the RBG. People point to this as another one of the easy haste items to get. I have never seen one drop. I have heard of people going from level 50 to 55 in Sebilis and never seeing one of these drop. When they DO drop, melee types often have to roll against casters who want to sell them for cash and like to say things like, "Why don't you just get another haste item? They aren't that hard to get!"
One last point I want to make is this: Prices quoted here at Allakhazam's are just general guidelines. Some people out there get lucky and buy an item far below the regular price and post that price here. Others get lucky and sell it for a high price and post it here. Then, of course, there are the people who lie like dogs and post a price that is way too high or way too low in order to skew the average price in the direction they want. Another thing is that items change in value over time. Suppose that when an item first came out, it was worth 10k. Over time, that gradually dropped down to 1k. The average price here might show as 5k (because it includes all those initial sellings for 10k), but you will never sell that 1k item for 5k. Don't assume that you will get 30k for this item just because that is the current average price. I have gotten very, very excited about winning a piece of loot that I could sell for thousands of pp, only to find that the current selling price was far below the average price posted here.
If perchance your main character is lower than the mid-40's, your opinion in this matter doesn't carry much weight. You may not realize it, but when you start going on raids, the whole issue of loot and your attitudes towards it change DRAMATICALLY. It is not a question of higher level people being smarter or superior to lower levels. It is a matter of perspective that few lower level people understand before they reach the upper levels. The ONLY WAY TO GET THE GOOD STUFF is to cooperate with your fellow guild members as friends and allies. If you treat them as competitors for loot, you will be shooting yourself in the foot and your guild will never achieve great things (assuming they all have a similar attitude). The odds are good that you will tick off your fellow guild members enough that eventually they will guild-remove you if you keep treating them like competition.
To a caster/healer, getting the wisdom or intelligence off of this item is nice. It is probably an upgrade to whatever item you currently have in that slot, but it is not a HUGE upgrade. It will increase your effectiveness in a raid, but only by a small amount. That amount of haste is almost guaranteed to be a huge upgrade to the abilities of at least one of the melee types present. It will make them MUCH more effective in combat. I am talking about a 30% or 40% increase in effectiveness for a fighter versus a 5% or 10% increase in effectiveness for a caster/healer (at best).
Some people argue that the hefty price tag on this item means a caster/healer should get a chance to roll on it so they can sell it to buy themselves some good stuff with it. On the surface, this seems like a good argument, but it has a serious flaw. Sellable loot can be divided into two basic groups. The first group is "common" loot. This loot is sold on a regular basis. If you want it and you have the money and/or trade goods, you can get it. The second group is "the good stuff". This loot is almost never sold. It is almost irreplacible. If perchance someone has "the good stuff" and they get an upgrade, the item they no longer need goes to someone in their guild. The point I am trying to make is that if you sell your "good stuff", you can't replace it in the East Commons. Suppose for example that on one raid, this item drops and a caster gets it and sells it for 30k and a warrior that could use it doesn't get it. Suppose that the next week, this warrior (in the same guild) gets a 30k caster item and sells it in EC. The caster who sold the belt wasn't on at the right time and missed his chance to buy the caster item from the warrior. The caster takes his money and hangs out in EC hoping to buy a item like the one the warrior sold, but it is never sold. The warrior hangs out in EC hoping to get this belt, but it is never sold either. Someone eventually has one for sale, but they want 50k for it. That is overpriced and the warrior doesn't have enough money, but the seller refuses to haggle. Eventually the seller actually finds someone with more money than he knows what to do with that is willing to pay 50k for the belt and the warrior is out of luck. If this guild had a NBG policy that insisted that a person USE high end raid loot they won and give it back to the guild when they no longer needed it, then the warrior would have this belt and the caster would have his really nice caster item and the guild would be stronger. Most guilds are well aware of this and do not need to have it spelled out to them.
A common misconception amongst casters is that it is easy for melee types to get a haste item. It is NOT EASY! People are fond of pointing out to me (I am a monk) the wonderful monk haste belt can be acquired in Plane of Air. They act as if I could just waltz up there and pick it off the ground. None of the 60th level monks in my guild has ever gotten this belt. We have only been to Plane of Air twice because it is such an expensive, time-consuming place to visit. Getting the quest items needed for this belt requires 5 or 6 visits to the Plane of Air. Each visit takes an entire weekend with the guild raiding for 12 hours or more each day. Only people that can devote this much of their weekend are allowed to go. Another item that actually has similar haste to this item but isn't as nice is the RBG. People point to this as another one of the easy haste items to get. I have never seen one drop. I have heard of people going from level 50 to 55 in Sebilis and never seeing one of these drop. When they DO drop, melee types often have to roll against casters who want to sell them for cash and like to say things like, "Why don't you just get another haste item? They aren't that hard to get!"
One last point I want to make is this: Prices quoted here at Allakhazam's are just general guidelines. Some people out there get lucky and buy an item far below the regular price and post that price here. Others get lucky and sell it for a high price and post it here. Then, of course, there are the people who lie like dogs and post a price that is way too high or way too low in order to skew the average price in the direction they want. Another thing is that items change in value over time. Suppose that when an item first came out, it was worth 10k. Over time, that gradually dropped down to 1k. The average price here might show as 5k (because it includes all those initial sellings for 10k), but you will never sell that 1k item for 5k. Don't assume that you will get 30k for this item just because that is the current average price. I have gotten very, very excited about winning a piece of loot that I could sell for thousands of pp, only to find that the current selling price was far below the average price posted here.
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