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Shadows of LuclinScholar
25 posts
At lvl 45 (Level to obtain), if you are walking around with a 17 AC chest item, you are a puss. I'm not saying that a lvl 45 should be twinked or wearning a 45 AC items but 17ac...17??...come on.
I don't see what all the fuss is about... Looks allright to me.
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Posted: May 13 2003 at 2:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL you don't? this bp is PoS its a pure stats based mail, and a ranger doesn't care for stats they want the essientials like every other class, a ac17 bp is more then underpar, it doesn't even begin to help specially since barbed ringmails are super cheap nowadays and is ac30 10strr an some hp... this is just a joke moving along to the next set of junkie armor from this collection =(
on a twilight sea quest warrior item, someone posted the relative stats of crafted, soldier's, and crusty. i'm going to do the same with ivy, woodsman's, and ry'gorr armor. ry'gorr has a neck piece but no boots, so i simply subsituted. i counted 7 pieces from each set: feet/neck, wristx2, head, hands, legs, chest, and arms. i am comparing ac, hp, saves, and wis. saves are in the mr/fr/cr/pr/dr order.
ivy: 92ac, 30hp, 8wis, 0/12/12/6/5
woodsman's: 86ac, 55hp, 23wis, 3/5/4/0/1
ry'gorr: 94ac, 30hp, 0wis, 13/0/10/5/0
using max ac pieces from each:
96ac, 65hp, 3wis, 9/0/11/0/0
so on the whole, i'd say ivy is the best. but rygorr has best ac and woodsman's has pretty nice stats, as well as four pieces you can't get with the other armors (back, waist, shoulders, face).
combined stats of the four woodsman's-only pieces:
28 ac, 20hp, 12wis, 1/1/1/2/1.
hope this is some help.
ivy: 92ac, 30hp, 8wis, 0/12/12/6/5
woodsman's: 86ac, 55hp, 23wis, 3/5/4/0/1
ry'gorr: 94ac, 30hp, 0wis, 13/0/10/5/0
using max ac pieces from each:
96ac, 65hp, 3wis, 9/0/11/0/0
so on the whole, i'd say ivy is the best. but rygorr has best ac and woodsman's has pretty nice stats, as well as four pieces you can't get with the other armors (back, waist, shoulders, face).
combined stats of the four woodsman's-only pieces:
28 ac, 20hp, 12wis, 1/1/1/2/1.
hope this is some help.
49 posts
I happen to like this armor it not only looks cool, but its functional when your not tanking. I know the strengh helps alot with my melee and the wiz gives me plenty of mana + the resists arnt bad to have i did the quests myself...(with my alt) but, thats besides the point. The point is wear what you like its your character. If you want to jump off of the top of the wizzies spires. Go for it im not going to tell you, you need more AC or more stamina. You play your character the way you want and Ill play the way I want! Also this character ROCKS
Woodsmen GoodShot of the 26'th level
Ayonie Ro
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=471374
Ps: the whole name thing was quenkiedink
Edited, Wed Nov 27 03:40:43 2002
Woodsmen GoodShot of the 26'th level
Ayonie Ro
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=471374
Ps: the whole name thing was quenkiedink
Edited, Wed Nov 27 03:40:43 2002
40 posts
AS for the armor, nice stats but crappy AC...from what I've played, AC is everything for every melee. I've played as the healer of the group before and the difference between a tank with ac and a tank with stats is astounding. Makes clerics job sooooo much easier. AS for the ranger comments, I don't think ranger were ment to tank. I've played a ranger quite alot and here is how I view the class. Ranger are a support melee. They get in there and beat stuff up while all along SUPPORTING the group with things like sow, snare, track etc. I consider rangers to be a "in a pinch tank". While they don't normally tank, if the warrior gets bad pull and the cleric is oom and the warrior is about to die, the ranger roots the mob and gets in there to whoop some while the warrior backs off and the cleric meds. or atleast thats how it happened in KC. My point is, war is MT and ranger is ST (if its nessicary) Um, if ranger is gaining agro over warrior it means one or more of a few things: 1) your warrior sucks 2) your ranger is twinked enough so he should be tanking in the first place 3) your ranger is stupid and is using a buncha proc weapons 4) anything else I didn't name =)
(edit:) hit points are good too...anything that makes ur tank last longer is good.
Ok I'm through ranting (boy it sure is fun)
Edited, Sat Sep 21 05:08:26 2002
(edit:) hit points are good too...anything that makes ur tank last longer is good.
Ok I'm through ranting (boy it sure is fun)
Edited, Sat Sep 21 05:08:26 2002
I agree. Rangers should not be counted on as front line tanks for extended periods. Less AC and hit points than other tank types severely limits our capabilities in this regard. A ranger should be standing off to one side of the action, contributing damage with his/her bow, snaring and chasing down runners, and throwing in a nuke or a DoT now and again. If you want to tank, for heavens sake, put down that off hand weapon and pick up a shield. You don't want to be landing dual wields and double attacks and drawing the attention of the mob to you. Let the warriors do that while you hit the mob from the back or side. The extra AC from the shield will save you from taking a few hits should the mob turn your way for a few seconds. Delaying your entry into the fray (finding something useful to do while waiting of course) until the other tanks have done majority damage can also help keep the mob off of you. Find yourself a good loot zone and buy the best gear you can in the bazaar, that way you can tank to higher levels than you would normally be able to, but remember that eventually, you'll still have to step back from the fighting and let the plate classes take over.
If you were me and I were you, would we still be friends?
Your post makes no sense.
"If you want to tank, for heavens sake, put down that off hand weapon and pick up a shield."
"The extra AC from the shield will save you from taking a few hits should the mob turn your way for a few seconds."
Um you said use a shield if you are tanking, then you say dont dual wield if you are not tanking, and the shield will help if you get aggro? Sorry, totally wrong. Rangers are about dealing damage, not avoiding it. A better suggestion would be to use a good 2 hander when tanking, to avoid the riposte's.
I cant think of ANY time where a ranger would be better off using a shield (after level 19 of course :) ), many weapons give +AC and +HP, and you can also hit stuff with it.
"Delaying your entry into the fray (finding something useful to do while waiting of course) until the other tanks have done majority damage can also help keep the mob off of you."
This depends on the tank, but generally, you can step straight into a fight, dual wielding whatever you choose, as long as you dont land the first blow you shouldn't steal the tanks initial aggro (for raid mob's this can change, this is based on exp groups).
I think what you are forgetting (as do many rangers, it seems), is that rangers get the Jolt line of spells, Jolt, Cinder Jolt (both cast) and Jolting Blades (proc's jolt). Jolt reduces your hate by 500, generally one jolt will give the aggro back to the next on the mobs hate list (which should be the main tank).
I would never call a ranger a tank post 50, that is not to say they CANT do it, it is just generally, plate classes are far better suited to the job (better mitigation, defensive abilities, usually more HP).
Many rangers can do a fine job of getting beat on whilst the rest of the party kills the mob. I would even say rangers are better at getting and keeping aggro than any of the plate classes, for a far smaller mana cost (tangling weeds, flame lick, snare), meaning less down time as long as the mob goes down fast enough to keep the clerics mana flow in the positive.
Rangers, dont worry about aggro, you have some of the best tools in the game to control your own aggro, use them.
"If you want to tank, for heavens sake, put down that off hand weapon and pick up a shield."
"The extra AC from the shield will save you from taking a few hits should the mob turn your way for a few seconds."
Um you said use a shield if you are tanking, then you say dont dual wield if you are not tanking, and the shield will help if you get aggro? Sorry, totally wrong. Rangers are about dealing damage, not avoiding it. A better suggestion would be to use a good 2 hander when tanking, to avoid the riposte's.
I cant think of ANY time where a ranger would be better off using a shield (after level 19 of course :) ), many weapons give +AC and +HP, and you can also hit stuff with it.
"Delaying your entry into the fray (finding something useful to do while waiting of course) until the other tanks have done majority damage can also help keep the mob off of you."
This depends on the tank, but generally, you can step straight into a fight, dual wielding whatever you choose, as long as you dont land the first blow you shouldn't steal the tanks initial aggro (for raid mob's this can change, this is based on exp groups).
I think what you are forgetting (as do many rangers, it seems), is that rangers get the Jolt line of spells, Jolt, Cinder Jolt (both cast) and Jolting Blades (proc's jolt). Jolt reduces your hate by 500, generally one jolt will give the aggro back to the next on the mobs hate list (which should be the main tank).
I would never call a ranger a tank post 50, that is not to say they CANT do it, it is just generally, plate classes are far better suited to the job (better mitigation, defensive abilities, usually more HP).
Many rangers can do a fine job of getting beat on whilst the rest of the party kills the mob. I would even say rangers are better at getting and keeping aggro than any of the plate classes, for a far smaller mana cost (tangling weeds, flame lick, snare), meaning less down time as long as the mob goes down fast enough to keep the clerics mana flow in the positive.
Rangers, dont worry about aggro, you have some of the best tools in the game to control your own aggro, use them.
2 posts
Got to agree with this guy. Having played both ranger and warrior class's I must admit rangers do a fine job of tanking upto level 50. After level 50 i'm affraid the warrior has the edge.
As for that guy saying use a shield instead of duel weilding, WTF! Rangers are freaking nutta's when you give them two weapons.
I play a warrior as my main, and I say ROCK ON RANGERS!
As for that guy saying use a shield instead of duel weilding, WTF! Rangers are freaking nutta's when you give them two weapons.
I play a warrior as my main, and I say ROCK ON RANGERS!
9 posts
You have to love the "non-ranger" players trying to tell the "ranger players" how to play a ranger. If you are level 30 and dont know what your purpose of your class is, give it up. At level 20 i knew that. I play my ranger every single day. I am a big ranger fan and stand strong by my ranger b/c i own with him. So if you dont know that a rangers job is to Dam Deal and not take aggro by level 30....i would quit. That is why they give us those great spells starting at level 51 called Jolt. Which is an aggro dump. Which goes to show that a rangers job is to clearly Dam Deal and take care of those crazy mobs that get on the casters. Oh, and btw...NEVER ROOT a mob as soon as you pull it into your group...very stupid move. You get aggro to the sac and it doesnt run when low on life(which always helps). Well, i hope this helps coming from a real ranger.
Deladian DeepWood 51 Pathfinder <Dragonsbane Elite>
I am De-Viginator, Beware....
Deladian DeepWood 51 Pathfinder <Dragonsbane Elite>
I am De-Viginator, Beware....
Most of the quest items if not all are no too hard to get a balanced party in the mid to high 30's would have no problem taking these creatures.
But is the payoff worth it. Man heck no! Verant really screwed the pooch when they came up with these stats. Almost every piece has the same exact stat and i didn't see a single one that give stamina whats the heck is that all about. They did a better job with the newbie armor quests. A full suit of pine scout armor from surefall can last you into the 20's. A lot of the quest items for this armor are more readily obtainable than the items for the ivy etched but you could just save your money all the same and go to the bazaar and buy ivy etched and ry'gorr, and make up a decent set of armor with nice stats.
But is the payoff worth it. Man heck no! Verant really screwed the pooch when they came up with these stats. Almost every piece has the same exact stat and i didn't see a single one that give stamina whats the heck is that all about. They did a better job with the newbie armor quests. A full suit of pine scout armor from surefall can last you into the 20's. A lot of the quest items for this armor are more readily obtainable than the items for the ivy etched but you could just save your money all the same and go to the bazaar and buy ivy etched and ry'gorr, and make up a decent set of armor with nice stats.
46 posts
I care about only 1 thing HIT PIONTS get gear with hit points, I recently traded my cougar claws for 2ac 35 hp 25 mana ear rings thats 70 HP , AC is a fallacy load up the HP.
Chadow
59 Outrider
Chadow
59 Outrider
Scholar
18 posts
HP are important in the end game, along with resist gear because you are going up against mobs that cast AE spells that are not affected by AC. However, in the lower levels, AC is very important. For the levels that this armor is targeted for, I would have to say that HP is not everything. AC is important at these levels.
I've twinked out my ranger with AC items, not HP much. More HP and less AC means more downtime because I gotta get all those HP healed back up.
Now, for a level 59, I agree, that HP is very important.
I've twinked out my ranger with AC items, not HP much. More HP and less AC means more downtime because I gotta get all those HP healed back up.
Now, for a level 59, I agree, that HP is very important.
12 posts
ok HP might be important but where have u been? I cant believe you would say AC is nothing even at lvl 1 i knew that AC=HP because if you think about it the more AC you have the less dmg the mob can do to you each hit. you could have all the hp you want and if you dont have any ac your gonna feel a lot of hurt. So for all you out there that care about how hard a mob hits you get some ac and find the balance between ac and hp thats right for you.
Edited, Sun Aug 18 13:33:37 2002
Edited, Sun Aug 18 13:33:37 2002
29 posts
Why would anyone take the time and effort to do this quest when they could have done the Ivy etched Quests at least 20 lvls before this and Ivy Etched blows this stuff out of the water.
Verant needs to think before they make stuff like this.
Verant needs to think before they make stuff like this.
I am reading alot about the ranger posts and what they are supposed to be. Really i wish more clerics/druids/chanters/ and every other class i have grouped with would do their jobs better.
I reeeeeeaallyy dont want something this low of AC, when I am at that level range, I still have a bit to go (31st currently), but this just doesn't look worth it at all.
And yeh, even though I wait a bit for the "tank" of the group (usualy a pally who has no clue what is going on) to gain aggro, I STILL pull aggro off him, what crap. I guess it's because I study the mob's hit pattern, and time spells near perfect after a couple fights, plus my duel weild/double attack/kick. I hit stuff 6 or 7 times in a row every once in a while.
*sigh* all that, and I'm looking for SSOY's, of all things, MORE aggro pulling, YAY! Go me!
And yeh, even though I wait a bit for the "tank" of the group (usualy a pally who has no clue what is going on) to gain aggro, I STILL pull aggro off him, what crap. I guess it's because I study the mob's hit pattern, and time spells near perfect after a couple fights, plus my duel weild/double attack/kick. I hit stuff 6 or 7 times in a row every once in a while.
*sigh* all that, and I'm looking for SSOY's, of all things, MORE aggro pulling, YAY! Go me!
12 posts
I have read all these posts and they say "Rangers should not tank". Sounds fair to me, but I am still learning the game (metagame to be more precise) and find myself in this situation: "Ranger you go track and pull we will wait here"
Right there I start with the aggro. Couple that with the fact that I can out damage / out tank the fighters I have in my group (I am 36 and the group is 34 - 37) then how am I not supposed to tank? What am i supposed to do? Ignite? Root?
Those seem like the druid's job as she can do them much better than me. So that I have a better understanding of the high end, what (please be thurough) am I supposed to do for / in a group?
Thanks for all your input =)
(BTW I have been with MANY fighters. It is always the same with out damage / out tanking)
Jalynn Firehand 36 Ranger
Utopian Eventide
Veeshan
Right there I start with the aggro. Couple that with the fact that I can out damage / out tank the fighters I have in my group (I am 36 and the group is 34 - 37) then how am I not supposed to tank? What am i supposed to do? Ignite? Root?
Those seem like the druid's job as she can do them much better than me. So that I have a better understanding of the high end, what (please be thurough) am I supposed to do for / in a group?
Thanks for all your input =)
(BTW I have been with MANY fighters. It is always the same with out damage / out tanking)
Jalynn Firehand 36 Ranger
Utopian Eventide
Veeshan
The Key to tank is mainly to hold aggro sure you are going to be dealing out some serious damage, but that orks to your advantage. The other people that are going to assist you are the ones that will be mainly responsible for killing the target mob all you have to do is make the mob angry enough to stay on you. Let the healer(s) worry about keeping you alive. I have finnally gotton a taste of the higher end game. and trust me in a guild raid you are indespensible in a dungeon setting for no other reason that you can track an snare. Also the ranger that uses the right combo of weapons, can take aggro from the main tank in a second if it looks like they might go down. That is usually enough time for the cleric that was one second slow on the complete heal to get the MT back in the game switch to a 2hs weapon to lose the aggro and let the Tank take back over. Back to the original thread this armor really sucks the forest giant fort in burning woods can be camped a lot easier and the treeweave has better ac and nice stats get one of those instead
Scholar
49 posts
/rant on
So there I am in DL, at 37th, with a higher level group, not pulling, just hanging out and jumping in and dealing damage. Mobs are too high for my spells to stick, so I just contribute as I can, and keep a close eye on the flow of battle, especially casters.
When a caster gets jumped, I am right there peeling em off, sometimes getting beaten literally to a millimeter of my life...
And then the hoity-toity cleric starts making comments about how I'm such a mana drain, and how Rangers suck in general, and me in particular.
The cleric who is using COMPLETE HEALS on a 37th level Ranger. (the only reason I even have a clue how dumb this was, was from my competent cleric friends who have told me since)
She doesn't know how close I came to leaving after the second ravishing Drolvarg aggroed her lily white @$$. Nah, I suck, I'm just the guy who is standing in there, way over my head, and keeping this POS from ripping your non-meleeing butt to shreds lady, and fully expecting to die, because your sorry butt spends more time worrying about how someone else plays THEIR class, when they don't know how to play their own.
Needless to say, I was out of there as soon as I could do so with a clear conscience, and will never group with that cleric again. life is too short to spend it with certain people.
/rant off
There's some real wisdom in these posts, and I have taken them to heart. This is my first, and highest character, and I love it.
Elessarion
Ranger of 39 Seasons (now)
The Rathe
So there I am in DL, at 37th, with a higher level group, not pulling, just hanging out and jumping in and dealing damage. Mobs are too high for my spells to stick, so I just contribute as I can, and keep a close eye on the flow of battle, especially casters.
When a caster gets jumped, I am right there peeling em off, sometimes getting beaten literally to a millimeter of my life...
And then the hoity-toity cleric starts making comments about how I'm such a mana drain, and how Rangers suck in general, and me in particular.
The cleric who is using COMPLETE HEALS on a 37th level Ranger. (the only reason I even have a clue how dumb this was, was from my competent cleric friends who have told me since)
She doesn't know how close I came to leaving after the second ravishing Drolvarg aggroed her lily white @$$. Nah, I suck, I'm just the guy who is standing in there, way over my head, and keeping this POS from ripping your non-meleeing butt to shreds lady, and fully expecting to die, because your sorry butt spends more time worrying about how someone else plays THEIR class, when they don't know how to play their own.
Needless to say, I was out of there as soon as I could do so with a clear conscience, and will never group with that cleric again. life is too short to spend it with certain people.
/rant off
There's some real wisdom in these posts, and I have taken them to heart. This is my first, and highest character, and I love it.
Elessarion
Ranger of 39 Seasons (now)
The Rathe
A Rangers Job.....
So, Your a Ranger and wondering what to do with that fabulous taunt skill, your job isn't to tank, we know you can deal out the damage, but thats not a tank's job, a tank is soemone who has Lots of Hit Point's and take a beating, Hence the word 'Tank'. You, My Dear Ranger are a "Peeler". Yes i said Peeler, now shut up and Listen, what a peeler does is, well, we go out and gain agro, not to much, but enough to keep their attention if needed, and bring them back to your group. Then you are to Snare, Snare, and Snare some more. Yes i said snare, and no it isnt the druid's job, it is your's. And then you are basically crowd control from here on out, you keep an Eye on your caster's & rogue's, and jump on a mosnter where needed, if you see a caster gettign hit, go "PEEL" the monster of him/her(them) and make sure it isnt going to re-agro them, ROOT if you have to, then either mellee it or go back and help 'Mister Hit Points' over in the corner. Basically you are the one who keeps the casters casting, and keep the monsters in line, if you are doing anything BUT this, then you arent doing your job, and the casters are wasteing mana. IMHO
So, Your a Ranger and wondering what to do with that fabulous taunt skill, your job isn't to tank, we know you can deal out the damage, but thats not a tank's job, a tank is soemone who has Lots of Hit Point's and take a beating, Hence the word 'Tank'. You, My Dear Ranger are a "Peeler". Yes i said Peeler, now shut up and Listen, what a peeler does is, well, we go out and gain agro, not to much, but enough to keep their attention if needed, and bring them back to your group. Then you are to Snare, Snare, and Snare some more. Yes i said snare, and no it isnt the druid's job, it is your's. And then you are basically crowd control from here on out, you keep an Eye on your caster's & rogue's, and jump on a mosnter where needed, if you see a caster gettign hit, go "PEEL" the monster of him/her(them) and make sure it isnt going to re-agro them, ROOT if you have to, then either mellee it or go back and help 'Mister Hit Points' over in the corner. Basically you are the one who keeps the casters casting, and keep the monsters in line, if you are doing anything BUT this, then you arent doing your job, and the casters are wasteing mana. IMHO
If you want to avoid taking a lot of damage, when you pull, just pull with a very low damage, long distance arrow. Make sure you are sowed, then when the mob is just about to get to the group, start casting root. Let the tank beat the hell out of it for a few hits, taunting away, and you will be fine.
If you root though, you will have to wait longer to smack them if you dont want to be beaten on, so if you are pulling, just beat the mob to the group, and take the few hits while your group trys to take aggro (without moving - you get hit harder while moving). After they get aggro, wait a couple hits, and you most likely will not have to worry about aggro.
Later on, you will get a spell line called jolt, cinder jolt, and jolting blades. These are aggro reduction spells. You most likely also wont be pulling later on in life, it will either be the tank or more likely, the monk. Rangers do shoot arrows, but that does not make them great pullers in general grouping situations.
As for rangers tanking, Rangers CAN tank if tehy have all kinds of AC gear on, but out of a ranger and tank with the same lvl gear on, the tank will always be the choice for "Tanking". He/she can take more damage because of HP and higher AC gear. Its just the way it goes.
Rangers are Damage dealers. I barely take out my AC gear. Most rangers tell me Im crazy, but I fear kite mostly so I put on gear that will raise my dex and ATK up the most. Regen BP's are great too because the minimal amount of times I get hit would be taken care of in part by a regen BP.
I mean just look at our spell line . . . we get spells to specifically reduce aggro --- why would we be tanks? Just because you CAN pull aggro doesnt mean you should.
If you root though, you will have to wait longer to smack them if you dont want to be beaten on, so if you are pulling, just beat the mob to the group, and take the few hits while your group trys to take aggro (without moving - you get hit harder while moving). After they get aggro, wait a couple hits, and you most likely will not have to worry about aggro.
Later on, you will get a spell line called jolt, cinder jolt, and jolting blades. These are aggro reduction spells. You most likely also wont be pulling later on in life, it will either be the tank or more likely, the monk. Rangers do shoot arrows, but that does not make them great pullers in general grouping situations.
As for rangers tanking, Rangers CAN tank if tehy have all kinds of AC gear on, but out of a ranger and tank with the same lvl gear on, the tank will always be the choice for "Tanking". He/she can take more damage because of HP and higher AC gear. Its just the way it goes.
Rangers are Damage dealers. I barely take out my AC gear. Most rangers tell me Im crazy, but I fear kite mostly so I put on gear that will raise my dex and ATK up the most. Regen BP's are great too because the minimal amount of times I get hit would be taken care of in part by a regen BP.
I mean just look at our spell line . . . we get spells to specifically reduce aggro --- why would we be tanks? Just because you CAN pull aggro doesnt mean you should.
8 posts
ROFL...okie now this is funny...and if you r getting upset with the other peeps telling u how to play a ranger (that don't have one) then u need to make a new toon. Rangers are one of the harder classes to play because we out dmg the tanks and always act as pullers (well most of the time if no monk is avalible)and r not given crap for AC or HPs. Once your in your 50's u will get a couple spells that will save your life and help keep peeps from telling u how to play your ranger....jolt/jolting blades and cinder jolt r by far the nicest spells that we will ever get concerning our lives. For now just keep doing what your doing....sounds like your doing what we all do....out dmg the tanks and catch hell for it. I personal know that monks and rangers are the best pullers in the game....and rangers own the outdoors. Just my 2 cents worth....be safe all and have fun with those rangers.
12 posts
hehe... I am not upset at all... I play my Ranger EXACTLY how I want to play her. =)
I was just begining to wonder if perhaps I was missing some key element after reading all these previos posts is all.
I was just begining to wonder if perhaps I was missing some key element after reading all these previos posts is all.
If u feel sad about what people say how to play ur ranger go EW and go solo... while they are waiting in OT or in DL for the little ranger to pull stuff for them
Are you for real about pulling in OT or DL? In places where there are no specific mob that you are looking for anyone with half a brain can pull. In OT my warrior can pull as good as any other class and it is even easier for him to maintain aggro after I run up and whack it with my weighted axe for up to 600pts in one round (ok it only happened once got a riposte, crit and double attack all in the 189-204 range) My warrior has jboots which anyone with help can attain by the time your pulling at the ramp in OT. Hell the mobs are nearly half dead by the time I semi-kite them back to the group with my axe! You havent seen anything till you seen a warrior kite mobs with a weighted axe....man if I could only get an SoG....
Gammal
39 Warrior
Tallon Zek
Gammal
39 Warrior
Tallon Zek
I really wouldn't say you are doing too much wrong, it's just the life of a Ranger. But if you do get stuck pulling here are a few things you can do to help give the cleric time to heal you so you don't die every time.
1. Get a monk and let them pull :-)
2. When you return with a pull have either the druid, wizard, Magician DD (or anyone that has one) the mob, or a enchanter to stun it.
3. When you return with a pull don't attack it, untill the warrior has aggro and then when you start attacking, DO NOT Taunt, Kick or Cast on it for 15 or so seconds (you'll learn to know when is safe)...
4. Use 2HS :-)
5. Find a better group, one that has a warrior or monk that can out taunt you.
6. If you don't have access to a 2HS weapon put your slower weapon in your main hand, it will cause you to attack less often.
Those 6 simple steps should help you a bit, good luck.
1. Get a monk and let them pull :-)
2. When you return with a pull have either the druid, wizard, Magician DD (or anyone that has one) the mob, or a enchanter to stun it.
3. When you return with a pull don't attack it, untill the warrior has aggro and then when you start attacking, DO NOT Taunt, Kick or Cast on it for 15 or so seconds (you'll learn to know when is safe)...
4. Use 2HS :-)
5. Find a better group, one that has a warrior or monk that can out taunt you.
6. If you don't have access to a 2HS weapon put your slower weapon in your main hand, it will cause you to attack less often.
Those 6 simple steps should help you a bit, good luck.
28 posts
I'm lvl 53 and trust me, from where you are now to about late 40's or so it doesnt matter, rangers can tank pretty damn well, but try to avoid getting aggro too much, like for you, you would pull, and let the warrior or whatever taunt it for a bit *btw taunt button is not a rangers best friend unless u need to get a mob off a caster or something, but be wary about your usage of it* and anyways you dont click taunt let warr get aggro, and be cautious about when you snare, its a huge taunter, i use it to taunt mobs sometimes when taunt button isnt having the desired affect =), anyways thats just my humble opinion, if you want a plethora of opinions from rangers of all servers go to The Rangers Glade, can be found in alla's link section, k and happy hunting bro
2 posts
Snare is a good one for aggro, however, one of the best i've found for gaining aggro though is that humble little flame lick. Works like a charm for pullin meanies off the clerics and chanters.
Notar Nuklhead
44th Ranger
7th Hammer
Notar Nuklhead
44th Ranger
7th Hammer
Here is a site for any server u are on to go to your specific server thread and post trades and what ya need and such.
http://pub59.ezboard.com/btwilightexchange
http://pub59.ezboard.com/btwilightexchange
25 posts
What I dont get is why our armor only has 2 AC more than the pure casters...
33 posts
simply put look into shisshar armor....good ac strong stats not super ubber not much runing around hopen on drops....and damd if ya dont get some good exp while getting it by yourself..... Cantessa Frostbane
44th Season Woodsfolk
Tornoviousuilele (cant spell to sv me life)
44th Season Woodsfolk
Tornoviousuilele (cant spell to sv me life)
Rygorr or Ivy > This, both you can get from 300-500 on cazic, much easier imo.
1 post
Truely the low Ac Sucks and to not be able to obtain it til 45-50 soloing stinks but if your guild helps you get it early and your tight on cash so you can't afford treeweave truely this armor is decent especially for someone who doesn't have Velious to quest for that armor instead and for people who solo alot this is awesome gear but in a group your right you need AC and Str and more than anything else but your best bet over all is try to balance your charecter me personally at lvl 40 I have unbuffed 122 str 117 stam 112 agil 112 dex 100 wis very well balance though a little low but I'm working on that I find that at higher level's ESPECIALLY hell lvl's it's easier to solo for exp than to walk around all day waiting on a group to want a ranger you just have to know what zones you shine in <<stone brunt>> <<Dawnshroud Peaks>> were not tanks were not caster's but out doors we can be unrivaled keep that in mind for ya bash people ya don't know after all we all love being a ranger or we wouldn't even be reading about higher lvl ranger gear :-)
Kind of hard to follow that without any punctuation... :/
13 posts
Puctuation is useless
Scholar
49 posts
Spelling too, it appears. (JUST KIDDING!!!)
sheesh everyone lighten up. *chuckles*
Elessarion
The Rathe
sheesh everyone lighten up. *chuckles*
Elessarion
The Rathe
If you aren't foolish enough to sacrifice AC for stats, you are a tank. Not as good as a plate tank, but you have a taunt button for a reason. The only stat that really matter is getting stamina to 100, and getting enough strength to carry your gear (recently obtained imbued granite spaulders and a cloak of truth, so this last bit has become more important to me :).
If my only choices were this tunic or ivy etched, I would have a tough time choosing at 53, because resists are starting to matter, and I'm tanking less. But that's still 2 raw AC. When I solo, I still take the time to cast feet like cat, and the 2 ac difference between this and ivy will add more AC than 15 agil will. At lower levels, when you are going to be the tank in exp groups most of the time (mainly because people don't worry about getting a full balanced group until high levels), AC is king for a ranger.
If my only choices were this tunic or ivy etched, I would have a tough time choosing at 53, because resists are starting to matter, and I'm tanking less. But that's still 2 raw AC. When I solo, I still take the time to cast feet like cat, and the 2 ac difference between this and ivy will add more AC than 15 agil will. At lower levels, when you are going to be the tank in exp groups most of the time (mainly because people don't worry about getting a full balanced group until high levels), AC is king for a ranger.
18 posts
Refer to my prior post for all you flamers. For those of you who play a balanced ranger and like to quest. Look at this comparision.
Ivy Etched Tunic 19ac 3str 3wis 30hp
Woodsman's Mail 17ac 8str 3dex 5wis 20hp 10mana 2cold 2magic
Now you look at that and I see something definite the Woodsman's has 5 more str(More dmg) 3dex(More Proc's/More Bow DMG) 2 more wis(More Mana) 10 less hp(Doh) 10 more mana(More Mana) and slight resists increase.
Now from the standpoint of a small guild or single ranger this is a good upgrade from Ivy. You increase you overall capablities which is required.
And for you ding dongs talking about High end ranger this High end Ranger that, DON'T DO THE DAMN QUEST AND GO BACK TO KAEL ARENA.
Ivy Etched Tunic 19ac 3str 3wis 30hp
Woodsman's Mail 17ac 8str 3dex 5wis 20hp 10mana 2cold 2magic
Now you look at that and I see something definite the Woodsman's has 5 more str(More dmg) 3dex(More Proc's/More Bow DMG) 2 more wis(More Mana) 10 less hp(Doh) 10 more mana(More Mana) and slight resists increase.
Now from the standpoint of a small guild or single ranger this is a good upgrade from Ivy. You increase you overall capablities which is required.
And for you ding dongs talking about High end ranger this High end Ranger that, DON'T DO THE DAMN QUEST AND GO BACK TO KAEL ARENA.
2 posts
If at level 45 you're wasting your time with this, its time to:
1 Move on to a different character
or
2 Jump off a clif and never retrieve your corpse =P
Sincerely,
Sersa Swiftblade
Ranger - 58th season
1 Move on to a different character
or
2 Jump off a clif and never retrieve your corpse =P
Sincerely,
Sersa Swiftblade
Ranger - 58th season
29 posts
If at lvl 45 you are hunting in Dawnshroud / Scarlet desert / Tenebrious for the INSANE exp in these zones, and you come across some items for your tunic, throw in a couple more hours looking for the extra pieces, and come out of it with a bunch more lvls and a free sweet tunic, you are not gonna complain.
Reallytired Boozehound
43 Iksar monk
Itudare Mindmeld
20 Erudite Enchanter (213 jeweller, send tells)
Tunare
Reallytired Boozehound
43 Iksar monk
Itudare Mindmeld
20 Erudite Enchanter (213 jeweller, send tells)
Tunare
18 posts
This stuff is great! I keep saying post that this stuff is junk ok if your lvl45 you can go out and get this by yourself (Solo) But i think the point is your not supposed to. You know that working together to get stuff? I can see a high 30's low 40's group getting this stuff easy. I putter around in all the zones that the quest pieces drop in at lvl51 and I solo everything in there that i need for any of these quest. Currently have about 30 different pieces for various Classes. And I'm going after this because it's a good Ranger armor. How many Ranger useable BP are there that have Passable AC STR dex and WIS not to mention HP and Mana. Assuming your not one of those PPL that's spending all there time in The back end of the arena in Kael or Slaughtering the Warders in Sleepers Tomb Oh ya and not to forget Old Seb. If you don't have a huge guild or lot's of high lvl friends this BP is actually an upgrade if u play a ranger how there supposed to be played. And no I'm not saying were not tanks cause i can tank with anyone out there. May die quick if i get agro in a raid but I can take it for long enough for everyone else to get out.
Scholar
41 posts
I agree with you wholeheartly. if you ppl would stop flaming something and look at the game in a quest point of view. this stuff is not bad. all the pieces but together is better then ivy all around. and like Myst says if you are not in a guild or have access to those places what do you do. it saddens me to see ppl in EC's wal mart auction for stuff. i quested for my ivy it wasnt easy. but what i did was /ooc anyone hunted this or that can i loot this piece or that. i wore banded for a long time then around lvl 30 started quested. i will be quested for the stuff also. if you dont like it go get something else. me personally i am a ranger and damn proud of it. i will be doing this stuff with my other alts also. and on a key note whats the class that ivy says is wearable "Ranger" whats it say on woodsmans "Ranger". with that enough said.
The point people are trying to make is that the level and time that would be needed to attain this armor is proposterious for the reward received. The time you spend getting the items for one of these armors you could have been grouped at the Rygor Fort and probably walked out with a full set plus some earings. If your truly into the roleplay side by all means do these quests. Just my 2cp.
"Train to zone, bit of this bit of that"
"Train to zone, bit of this bit of that"
3 posts
man this armow blows the ivy is 19 acand at 40 i had a tree weave which is 25 ac why would you want this
12 posts
For lvl required to get this stuff, it's utter crap. I pity any melee at lvl 45 who's wearing a 17ac tunic. Everyone talks about rangers not being tanks, well here's one for ya... when you're the only tank in your group and you don't have a cleric (which is my case 90% of my playtime) then you need all the AC you can get. Archery + Trueshot vrs. Melee -- you gotta be kidding me! I'm not going to wait 72 minutes (refresh time for trueshot disc) to engage a mob. that's rediculous. yes, the trueshot disc is a nice addition to our dmg output, but that's only every 72 min and the rest of the time you'll be engaging.
I'll tell ya, all you 'supposedly' great strategists playing rangers don't know crap about the high end game if you're saying 2 points of fire is better than 2 points of AC. I do play the highend. You get to fighting mobs who have extremely high MR or is totally resistant to magic and watch Jolt fly right out the window. If you get aggro you're pretty much outta luck if they won't get off you when you stop attacking. I've been in alot of situations where i've died because i got aggro and they woulldn't get off me. 6 times i jolted with no avail (btw, the lower on health you are the harder it is to lose aggro anyway).
As for this item, i'd take ivy over it any day
55th ranger
I'll tell ya, all you 'supposedly' great strategists playing rangers don't know crap about the high end game if you're saying 2 points of fire is better than 2 points of AC. I do play the highend. You get to fighting mobs who have extremely high MR or is totally resistant to magic and watch Jolt fly right out the window. If you get aggro you're pretty much outta luck if they won't get off you when you stop attacking. I've been in alot of situations where i've died because i got aggro and they woulldn't get off me. 6 times i jolted with no avail (btw, the lower on health you are the harder it is to lose aggro anyway).
As for this item, i'd take ivy over it any day
55th ranger
What I am wondering is why you as a ranger would want to be a tank? The fact is your class was designed to orchestrate battles and control the flow of a combat. Simply standing in front of a monster and slashing at it is not the way to go at all. The stats this gives in comparison to Ivy are incredible. In the long run a 2 ac sacrifice for these stats will aid you in so many other ways that it balances at the very least and in MHO makes this piece superior to Ivy. If nothing else say wow look at all that wisdom. That means....oh yeah more magic!!!!
At Lvl 51 I started shooting the bow in group combat. Combined with AQ, Velium Swiftblade, Fleeting Quiver, Bardsong, Dex Buff, "and/or gear" I crit for 323 and average 79 dam per hit, thats all under 2 seconds. In the delay with the bow cast the nuke spell, once the mob is tuff and the cleric is OOM. "642 combined damage" Using 30 40 bow and summond arrows. 255 dex buffed, 175 unbuffed.
Sure Rangers can tank, and all that good stuff, but once your in a high lvl mob zone, its good to root adds, jolt mezz'd mobs, and keep a eye out for group health. Conventional you can melee unconventionaly you can crit with bow. Personaly I think it saves mana keeping 1 MOB on 1 Tank, so just like a rogues does his job, a Ranger should do theirs.
Give it a shot, try it out after lvl 51 once you get double damage in group combat. Wont work on rooted mobs, but sure is nice to get compliments on your 3 in a row crits. :-D and it gets better with trueshot disc!..
Btw Get Falcon Eye and the best bow you can afford.
Applejuce Tolanheart
52nd Pathfinder
Seekers Of Lore
Inny Server
Edited, Fri Jan 25 06:56:19 2002
Sure Rangers can tank, and all that good stuff, but once your in a high lvl mob zone, its good to root adds, jolt mezz'd mobs, and keep a eye out for group health. Conventional you can melee unconventionaly you can crit with bow. Personaly I think it saves mana keeping 1 MOB on 1 Tank, so just like a rogues does his job, a Ranger should do theirs.
Give it a shot, try it out after lvl 51 once you get double damage in group combat. Wont work on rooted mobs, but sure is nice to get compliments on your 3 in a row crits. :-D and it gets better with trueshot disc!..
Btw Get Falcon Eye and the best bow you can afford.
Applejuce Tolanheart
52nd Pathfinder
Seekers Of Lore
Inny Server
Edited, Fri Jan 25 06:56:19 2002
Scholar
16 posts
I have to agree with the posts stating that we got stiffed on the ac again with this Woodsman's stuff.
Ivy Etched can be (and was, by me) quested for around 10 levels lower and is pretty much the same. I just upgraded my Ivy Tunic to a Treeweave and wouldn't look twice at this stuff.
As for the guy who states that Ranger should be doing more dam with a bow than in melee - c'mon man! A Ranger is most definitely an offensive tank - granted we need a meat shield to keep the aggro off us, but damage output is WAY higher in melee that with your bow. I have often grouped with Monks and Rogues and at least equalled their damage output. Your bow is good for pulling and maybe chipping away some of the mobs hp's before you engage, but that's about it.
Just my 2 cp 8)
Hakatri Mooneyes
Ranger of 35 Seasons
Ivy Etched can be (and was, by me) quested for around 10 levels lower and is pretty much the same. I just upgraded my Ivy Tunic to a Treeweave and wouldn't look twice at this stuff.
As for the guy who states that Ranger should be doing more dam with a bow than in melee - c'mon man! A Ranger is most definitely an offensive tank - granted we need a meat shield to keep the aggro off us, but damage output is WAY higher in melee that with your bow. I have often grouped with Monks and Rogues and at least equalled their damage output. Your bow is good for pulling and maybe chipping away some of the mobs hp's before you engage, but that's about it.
Just my 2 cp 8)
Hakatri Mooneyes
Ranger of 35 Seasons
Scholar
16 posts
All that 'young Ranger' stuff probably made you feel pretty good and all, but sadly, you totally missed my point. The 'Why Bother?' part of my post was aimed at the crappy Woodsmans Armour, not at using a bow in melee. Aside from that, you make some valid points about increased damage at high levels (which I am SO looking forward to!) and I guess it did give you a chance to let us all know about your uber stats and gear, so it's all good.
ok, this is why you bother. after level 51 rangers get to do double dmg to a mob with our bows. this is only, and ONLY when the mob has it's back to us. but while the mob has it's back to us (like when you snare a mob and it starts to run) the bow dmg is doubled on every shot, as long as you stay behind the mob. and you as a 35 ranger really don't have an idea of the kind of dmg you can and will do. i currently have (with my buffs) 165str and dex. both of these stats directly effect bow dmg. my archery gear is a bow of the huntsman (20dmg 30delay 180range proc:spirit strike (cold based 81DD), a fleeting quiver (6slot 66% weight reduction/bow haste) and of course since my bow is extremely fast, i have a Tolan's bracer to keep my quiver filled at all times. now that i've got that out of the way, at lv 52 i can currently solo ravishing drolvargs in DL, IGs in everfrost, and lots of other mobs that in normal melee combat would put a strong butt whoopin on a 52 ranger anyday. it's quite simple, ensnare, stack stinging swarm and emmolate, root and shot away with bow. root breaks and root again. so to finish this all up, with 165str and 165dex with a bow/arrow combonation of 23dmg 30delay 230range i hit on avg in the 50's so that makes my doubles around 100 (which for a 30delay weapon is easily comparable to any good melee weapon of that delay) my crits range anywhere from 50-90, and so if i get a crit with the mob's back to me you can do the math. keep in mind that's from a 30 delay bow, which of course is actually less than that when you figure in the haste from my fleeting quiver (and silver chitin handwraps). so young ranger you will see, fear not
Dartaniun Eagleeye
Pathfinder of Tunare
Dartaniun Eagleeye
Pathfinder of Tunare
it isnt when their back is to you its when they arent moving st00pid
not true, they can be rooted/snared and facing you and not get double dmg. you're telling me that if you solo something and root it, you run back and do double damage with a bow when the mob is starting you in the face? never has for me, it's only when they turn
Dartaniun Eagleeye
Pathfinder of Tunare
Dartaniun Eagleeye
Pathfinder of Tunare
4 posts
Your still wrong. You only get double damage when the mob is not moving, and is not rooted. That can happen if it is running away and snared, or it is standing still attacking someone else. The direction the mob is facing doesn't matter at all when determining if you will get double damage.
Well, i think you've both had some pretty crappy double damage rolls then. I can easily solo mobs by doing double damage to it if it's snared (not running away either), rooted or anything else. Almost every shot i give to my pulls lands for double damage, almost every single shot. avg damage for me has been 60-90 with crits up in the mid 100's. Str is 199 and dex is 140. I'm still using Raincaller cause i haven't gotten around to questing anything new. But just so ya know, the mob can move and it doesn't have to have it's back to ya.
Namrah Rhedeg`Pren
51 Ranger
Brell Server
Namrah Rhedeg`Pren
51 Ranger
Brell Server
9 posts
personally I have Ivy and Rygorr doesn't come in as a second to this new Twilight stuff with the str and wis bonus this is much better than the Rygorr any day.. and 1 ac differnce is more than made up with the other stats 10str is ok but 8str and +3 dex +5 wis the wisdom gets my nod we need wisdom alot more than str so we can keep on snaring and jolting
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