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Cougar Claw Earring  
 

MAGIC ITEM
Slot: EAR
AC: 4
STR: +3 DEX: +2
Focus: Mana Preservation I
WT: 0.5 Size: TINY
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Item Type:Armor
Stackable:No
Merchant Value:2 pp 5 gp 0 sp 0 cp
Tribute:72
Lucy Entry By:Kerasota
Updated By:Zamboni
Source:Live
Updated:Thu Oct 9th, 2008
Scars of Velious Required: Yes


Average Price: 500pp Pricing Data...
Rarity: Common
Level to Attain: 30

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Icing
# Aug 01 2007 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
Having hunted here solo as a bard from 25 to 32 so far, I've grabbed 4 earrings and 4 high quality pelts. Definately makes up for the lack of money
Bards
# Nov 09 2003 at 6:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I have seen a lot of Bards wearing these earrings, and was wondering why? I'm a lvl 36 Bard, and I don't even see my mana bar move when twisting songs. Was just wondering why so many bards are wearing these nice earrings???
RE: Bards
# Nov 19 2004 at 7:12 AM Rating: Decent
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That is because bards would round up the NPC that drops this and use a PB AE DOT songs to finish them all off. Maybe have 10x A Snow Cougars.

Although this has been fixed since I've posted this, so it cannot be done anymore. PB AE Bard DOTs no longer deal damage while the creature is moving.
RE: Bards
# Mar 19 2004 at 10:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm sorry to say Focus Effects do not effect bards. This is due to the fact bards use there instruments to improves there spells, and to great effect too. Seems unfair at first that they can have FE's but put into context with the power of some of the instrument it is understandable.
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RE: Bards
# Nov 10 2003 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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Bards get only get 3 spells: Solon's Bewitching Bravura at level 39, Denon's Desperate Dirge at level 43 and Call of the Banshee at level 64 that require mana. I'm not sure that focus effects help bard mana, and only being Mana Preservation I, these would only work on spells below level 20 and so would be no use in that way anyway.

That said, I believe the main reason why you see so many players wearing them is that there really not anything out there better for melees until you are prepared to spend several thousand pp on replacements, while these earrings can now be pick up for under 50pp if you shop around.
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A Better Earring?
# May 27 2003 at 6:44 PM Rating: Decent
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My level 38 Beastlord has one of these but the "Mana Preservation I" effect only works on spells up to level 20 and I no longer really cast spells that level. Any suggestions as to how I should upgrade my ear slot (that just sounds rude :).

Starwild
level 24 Beastlord
Ayonae Ro

Edited, Thu Jun 12 11:46:49 2003
SWEET!!!
# Apr 26 2003 at 4:05 PM Rating: Default
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Got mine for 15 plat ha thats better than NPC venders price to
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Money?
# Feb 11 2003 at 8:20 PM Rating: Decent
Just a question, but is this a nice way for a ranja like me to make cash? Is it better than Aqua gobbs?
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RE: Money?
# May 14 2003 at 10:20 AM Rating: Default
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She eats her kids. Lets throw the bodies under the bridge.
Got Lucky
# Jan 24 2003 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I was in Iceclad searching for a HQ cougar pelt and got 2 earings within an hour. With the second earing also got my pelt. This was great hunting day :-)

Glorina Florina
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yes they drop......
# Nov 12 2002 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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i have been quadding cougars for 4 days and have netted 4 of them...... im averageing about 9 quads a day.... so yes they are a rare drop but worth the time to put in..... im going to fill up an 8 slot bag with them and head up to bazzar.....
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# Nov 11 2002 at 1:08 AM Rating: Default
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To the person that sold one of these to the vendor in EC i thank you. I used to quad the cougars, till i got 2, sold one, then last night wishing i hadnt, i found one for my rogue in for 35pp, which beats paying 100pp :), and I thank you :)

Soldarius
Solusek Ro
?????
# Oct 17 2002 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
i have been quadding these things for 4 lvl's now i am a 38 druid, i started at lvl 34 with the quads and i haven't seen one drop yet, i have killed about 50+ of them and no luck,

i am at the cougars near the tofs, do they drop here or do they drop at the other little gnome camp thing
About a 2% drop rate on CC earings off of cougers
# Oct 17 2002 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
Sadly hon, the drop rate of of the cougers is about 2% or 1 couger in 50. Having speant neary a week camping the evil stormfeather (missing 7 spawns due to guild raiding reqts ..gah) I would often hunt snowcougers to pass the time. I can confirm that they are still dropping off of cougers in that area (vic TOFS). Just keep plugging away and you will get one in due time.
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RE: About a 2% drop rate on CC earings off of cougers
# Oct 31 2002 at 5:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I am actually level 34(and 3 yellow) and been hunting there since level 34 and got 2 of them and a bloodstained fang. I guess I must be a lucky shaman :)
RE: About a 2% drop rate on CC earings off of cougers
# Nov 24 2002 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Monk and shaman duo went from 31 to 32 (4 yellow bubs) and netted 4 CF Earrings, two Fangs, and 8 HQ pelts off those cougars (con dark blue).

We may have been lucky, but we probably killed 100 or so cougars, so 4% in our case.

Exp wasn't bad, and some downtime was required to let shammie med up, once we got KEI for her, we killed non-stop 'til we reached lvl 32.

They hit the monk for 40-60 damage, monk had 1000 HP, a Goranga Spiked Club and a Cane of the Tranquil.
what gives?
# Sep 23 2002 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
Why do they design such a nice piece of jewelry and make it useless. If you have to defeat a level 30 character, most likely it comes in a mob, just to get an earring that is useless to you by the time you get it. Mana preservation I works on spells below 20, but how many of us level 30's use level 20 spells?
RE: what gives?
# Jan 06 2003 at 10:45 PM Rating: Default
Hybrids are still using level 20 spells at level 30. As an SK, I know at level 30 I was still using Fear, Siphon Strength and Scream of Hate. All of which are under level 20. Heck, at 47 I still use Fear and Siphon Strength.

And Shamans/Druids still use SoW up until.. well, forever. :)
RE: what gives?
# Oct 17 2002 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Not really useless I would say...

Remember that a lot of good utility spells (many mage summon spells, the good old invis, lev, enduring breath, shadowstep, SOW, Root, many illusion spells, etc.) start as low level spells and are used by high level players quite a bit as they scale.

Any mana savings is a boon, even when the mana costs are small...
Tough drop...
# Aug 01 2002 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, a friend camped these guys with a character a few patches back...and used to get them about every 10 or 20 cougar kill. Now-a-days, at least on SolRo, they have become quite rare. He went through 3 levels at the pirate/gnome camp and no earring.

Of course, I tried for about 4 hours and luckily got 2 to drop. Sold one for 250, the other for 350, since it has a nice effect on it and has become quite rare (IMHO...)

Heck, my Druid alt ALWAYS sees it activate when donating SoW to someone (though you know how rare that is to do...hehehe...)
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Which one?
# Jul 20 2002 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
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ok im a lvl 31 pally and im hunting in iceclad trying to get myself some earings. i have already gotten two put one on but on my other ear i have a forrest loop so i was wondering whether i should wear the forest loop or the cougar claw earing being a pally i thought it would be the earing but any help would be apreciated
its a focus effect
# Jul 14 2002 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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mana preservation is a focus effect
mana preservation 1 means it works on spells 1 to 20
it ALWAYS works
for more information on focus effects see the nice list at caster's realm
http://eq.crgaming.com/editorials/focus.asp
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Hmm
# Jul 12 2002 at 5:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Mana Preservation Stack? like I know FT does... Obulus Death Shroud, 2 Earrings, that'd be like mana preservation 5. I am a fear kiting SK and I know I see the difference with the Obulus Death Shroud... Just wondering, does it stackwith other MP items?
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RE: Hmm
# Jul 14 2002 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't think so, I have one of these and a Black Alloy Medallion, when I equip the medallion first and then the earring, I only get the focus message for the earring and my mana gets used up faster (B.A.M. has mana preservation 2, this only has 1)
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RE: Hmm
# Jul 14 2002 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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Nope, its your imagination. All of the mana preservation effects reduce mana use the SAME amount, the II and III versions just work on higher lvl spells. MPII works on spells thru 40, and MPIII works on all spells through 60. The reduction is the same. If it seems like the MPII is saving more mana, its probably becaise you are casting spells over lvl 20. Put an MPI item on a lvl 19, then swap it for an MPII item. they will have exactly the same effect. And no, 2 or more items will not stack.

Edited, Sun Jul 14 17:39:58 2002
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Tricky earrings
# Jul 07 2002 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I hunted snow cougars from level 30-35. During that entire time I didn't get one drop. Actually, I did, on the 3rd to the last snow cougar I ever fought for experience. I was very pleased, because I was convinced I would never return to the place I had spent so much of my solo days. Well, as I was traveling through the other day, I thought I'd show the cougars how tough I'd become and killed one. What do you know, an earring dropped. I'm not complaining though, I wear 2 of them now. The stats aren't that great, but this mana preservation thing is nice. Does anyone know how much mana it actually preserves? I don't know if having 2 earrings helps, but it kicks in all the time, atleast 3 outta 5 casts. I'd wear these or keep them for an alt, they rarely drop and don't sell for much at all. If only everyone hunted cougars at one point, then they'd see how valuable the damn thing should be.
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RE: Tricky earrings
# Jul 14 2002 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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Note that the effect listed at the top of the page is a blue hyperlink? click on it, and you find :

Description:
1: Lowers mana cost up to 10%
2: Restriction: Spells level 20 and lower
3: Restriction: Exclude spell 'Complete Healing'

Details:
Casting Time: Instant
Recast Time: 0 seconds
Skill: Conjuration
Allowed Targets: Self
Resist: None
Range to target: 100

Messages:
Other cast: A Moss Snake Mana Preservation I
Cast on you: Mana Preservation I
Cast on other: A Moss Snake Mana Preservation I
Effect Fades: Mana Preservation I

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drops off of these cougars
# Jul 01 2002 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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i have killed tons of these things and have not yet seen ONE earing. the other day a bloody cougarfang (definatley not a weapon to think of using) and that was after weeks of fighting there. i kinda like the mana preservation because if i snare something, root it, i have enough range on my spells already to hit them with another root and back up a bit.... BUT i agree extended range would be much better for me (a ranger) but about the loot.... it is definatley not anything to brag about (no money and sometimes you get the MQ pelts which are no drop) BUT the exp for me is amazing and thts wht matters....you level up and then go somehwere higher that might have loot :).....oh man, ive been rambaling, sorry

safe travels to all, safe hunting, may your deity be kind to you (if your evil may it torture you till your extatic)

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omg
# Jun 17 2002 at 5:09 AM Rating: Decent
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this sucks i just got one it was extended range 3 then when i got on 2 days later it was mana preservation
orc fang or cougar claw
# Jun 16 2002 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
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i just love how everyone talks about which is better.. orcfang or cougar claw. What people don't realize is, there are caps to things like ac, and stats, after which the benefits of raising it any higher don't matter anymore. Depending on the other equipment you have, either one of these earrings could be the best fit for you. If you've already got 1200 ac, then the extra hitpoints will probably be more desireable.. if you haven't reached that cap yet, then you might prefer the ac. I mean, i'm looking at this from a druid's perspective.. i've traded out a couple items that add extra wisdom for items that add raw mana.. albeit less mana than the wisdom would add. Why? because i've already reached the wisdom cap, so i prefer to have raw mana added. I'm sure the same thing goes for warriors and HP/AC (i know it's not the same relationship exactly.. but i'm sure there are correlations)
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RE: orc fang or cougar claw
# Jul 14 2002 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, so let me get this straight? at lvl 35, you have already exceeded the 255 wisdom cap? Yet you think that someone with 1200 ac might actually be considering either this or an orc fang?

First I find it doubtful you have hit the Wis cap. Second, anyone with good enough gear to have 1200 ac, will have MUCH better earrings than this.
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RE: orc fang or cougar claw
# Jul 17 2002 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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i hit 25o wis on a shammy, at lvl 10

i believe it's possible
Common ??
# Jun 14 2002 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
ok i think that the Rarity is not right i was there from lvl 32 and i'm now 39 and i killed 3000 or so of the Snow cougar and only got 3 of the Earring's i sold 2 of them for 600pp and now i'm back to get 1 more but not a 1 in 3 weeks what up ??
RE: Common ??
# Sep 20 2002 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
I went from 34 to 39 here quading cougars and found six...guess I was lucky.

Meander, 39 lvl Druid
Common ??
# Jun 14 2002 at 8:53 AM Rating: Default


Edited, Fri Jun 14 09:47:02 2002
yadda yadda blah blah :)
# Jun 14 2002 at 2:20 AM Rating: Decent
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/sigh
And the rangers get screwed again:p

Quick grab that Light Woodsman's Blade before it gets nerfed, its way to good for VI to keep around. o_0
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# Jun 08 2002 at 7:39 PM Rating: Default
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i hear this will no longer be Ex. Rng. 3...thats kinda gay but i got a nice item for caster or tank its a Golden Bracer
6ac
7str 7int
effeck; Ex. Rng. 2 (so sorry my 50+ friends)

kicks ass on my lvl 15 Troll SK though...wach out BlackBurrow


by the way i would not sell for less than 8k...high ac and str and int +the Effect now...better than Eboots...id say
So far away, goodbye extended range
# Jun 06 2002 at 4:22 PM Rating: Excellent


Edited, Thu Jun 6 17:11:30 2002
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So far away, goodbye extended range
# Jun 06 2002 at 4:21 PM Rating: Excellent
Well after the second patch they've gone and removed the extended range III and replaced it with mana preservation I. Oh well here was to thinking my Ranger would get something out of this patch.

Edited, Thu Jun 6 20:12:01 2002
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RE: So far away, goodbye extended range
# Jun 06 2002 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Now how stupid is that? Put a lvl 20 and under affect on a lvl 30 item... VI is clearly losing it's mind.
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RE: So far away, goodbye extended range
# Jun 07 2002 at 5:03 AM Rating: Good
I completely agree, this level 20 and below spell allows me to snare, and flame lick my heart's content. Honestly I would really like to see some ranger love soon, like a ranger pet; a ferret or something that auto forages and increases you CHA by 30 points.
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RE: So far away, goodbye extended range
# Jun 08 2002 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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oooo Ferrets are so cute...if it was a ferret it'd have to be worth at least a 50 CHA boost, and then at high lvls mabye they'd give you a chinchilla(sp?) or a hedgehog...how come there are no cute animals in EQ? I mean even hanging around the shop keepers or whatever? there's the halfling who has the attack dog in Rivervale but that's not exactly cute, they could have at least put some kid in the back of a house with a tank and a pet fish..they could have actually done THAT...bummer
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RE: So far away, goodbye extended range
# Jun 14 2002 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
How about a miniature giant space hamster. They can have stun or blind (go the the eyes BOO).
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RE: So far away, goodbye extended range
# Jun 14 2002 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I auto forage, its not that hard to set up....
RE: So far away, goodbye extended range
# Jun 27 2002 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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how do you set up auto-forage?
RE: So far away, goodbye extended range
# Jun 28 2002 at 5:09 PM Rating: Decent
Under your keyboard options you set a movement key to also fire the hotkey that corresponds to forage. For example, my move right key is D and my forage hot key is the uppermost right hot key (user key 2 i believe its called ). I set my keyboard option for user key 2 to be D as well. Now, whenever my forage button pops up, all I have to do is press my right movement key (which happens frequently anytime your fighting or walking) and my forage button will also fire. I also do this on sense heading for my left movement key and for mend on my low level monk. Great way to get skill up and make certain that your hot key isnt sitting in the up position when it could be down, helping raise your skill.
RE: So far away, goodbye extended range
# Jun 27 2002 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
i suppose you're a ferret too?
New Effect
# Jun 05 2002 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
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Uhhh sorry about multi post. The page wouldn't go. I think it is for spells, correct?

Edited, Wed Jun 5 13:06:10 2002
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Focus Effect
# Jun 05 2002 at 11:29 AM Rating: Default
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As of today's (6-5-02) patch, this item carries the effect of Extended Range III.
RE: Focus Effect
# Jun 05 2002 at 12:13 PM Rating: Default
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What does Extn Rng III do?
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RE: Focus Effect
# Jun 05 2002 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
Extended ranger, according to other sources, gives your spell casting range and extra 15%. Which is really nice. The real question is, does it stack as I wear to cougar claw earrings? Guess I can try some stuff out with grasping root and answer my own question.
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RE: Focus Effect
# Jun 05 2002 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
Well I logged in, rooted a mob, backed away as far as possible then started working my way in until I could hit it with flame lick. Once I was in range I removed my second cougar claw and was still able to cast at that range. So it doesn't appear to be stackable.

If my finding appear to be incorrect, let me know what you find.

Edited, Wed Jun 5 16:44:15 2002
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RE: Focus Effect
# Jun 05 2002 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
nope, multiple items with the same focus will not stack.

read here: http://eq.castersrealm.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=4340
RE: Focus Effect
# Jun 05 2002 at 12:13 PM Rating: Default
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Pleased =)
# May 23 2002 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
I went to Iceclad last night with my now level 28 bard. I kite the cougars in groups of 3 which means it's kinda awkward to loot these things if 1 drops before the others, the fast decay rate is appauling. Anyway I spent 30 mins last night near the igloos and kited 6 in total (thats 6 cougars) I only looted 5 of them, the second 1 I looted had an earring, I couldn't believe my luck, 10 minutes after arriving I loot 1. Well I camped for the night after the 30 mins and went on again today for another 30 mins, and kited 6 more, and could I believe it!? I got another!!! Thats 2 earrings in 1 hour = 400pp in an hour. Being only level 28 I am far from displeased hehe ;)
RE: Pleased =)
# May 28 2002 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
Ahh I found out the fast decay rates are the ones that have no loot on them hehehe ;) I got another 2 btw since i posted this lol.
How Rare are these things
# May 11 2002 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I killed over 200 of the cougars in IC and no stinkin drops.How rare are these things and you can argue the gnoll fang thing all you want but im a ranger and the dex would do me alot better than 15 hp.btw im huntin em near the igloos should i move to the other island?
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cougr vs orc fang
# Apr 19 2002 at 3:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not sure what the big wonder is. Maybe this would clear some things up. I know on Rallos Zek the orc fang earring is considered suffnicantly supior to this thingy. Why? The HP keeps you alive! True, dex is not valueless...put 2 dex vs 15hp? lol, on Rallos, that's a no-brainer. Plus, at lower levels, 15HP is worth more and more...when I create lower level twinkies, the cougr fang earring? Ya, the +3str would give me about +1% attack damage. Big whoop, hitting iwth a 22dmg cap anyways. (by the way...the orc fang earring matches this str!) +2dex? a 1 in 50 better chance at hitting? O, great! 4ac? Same on orc fang again. So, 2dex or 15hp? To a level one, that's asking +1 in 50 chance of hitting, or nearly double your life? Ofcourse, no brainer! =) A set of them is nice at +30hp and everythign but dex from cougr. So, I would prefer a Wurmy even though you could agrue the CLS has slightly better stats. (anology) If you prefer the dex tough, go for it
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RE: cougr vs orc fang
# Jun 02 2002 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
Ok, besides the fact that AC is king for any tanking class ( 8ac pair -vs- 6ac pair ). When mobs start hittng you in the 100's, even if that 2ac difference prevents you from taking 1 hit it is way more usfull than 30 extra hps. Also, my Pally would have grabed these just to help the proc go off more often when I go up against undead. (Ghoulbane)+(Instrument of Nife)= 404 proc dmg :p
RE: cougr vs orc fang
# May 03 2002 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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1) orc fang earing has 3ac not 4

2) At low levels, max hit points are irrelavent unless you die before the heal goes off (CH is the only reason max hps mean anything, again unless you're against a mob that can kill you before you are healed). Example one toon has 800 hps another has 1000, they are both tanking the same mob with a non CH cleric. They both take 500 damage, and are then the cleric then heals each for 500 hps... what's the difference? If you're of level to group w/ a 39 plus cleric hps become important until then go w/ ac. btw if the lower max hps toon had higher ac he actually would save the cleric mana becasue he would take less damage from the mob =). Now if you know that you are gonna be getting down to your last 30 hps in a fight by all means take the orc fang.

3) Wurmy vs CLS. 2 completely different weapons. The wurmslayer(a primary hand only weapon) is one of the best pre-level 40 1hs in the game. Post 40ish your damage bonus is high enough that the 40 delay in a primary only weapon makes it worthless (buy a lammy or a jade mace). The CLS (equipable in either melee slot)is a bad weapon in the primary for the money at any level. However, as a secondary weapon it rocks. Delay is only important in the secondary for taunt purposes as the damage bonus only applies to primary hand. Therefore the wurmy is a good primary at low to mid levels and a CLS is a good secondary at all levels, apples and oranges bro. btw the stats also complement the levels at which you would use the weapons AC for wurmy, stam(=hps) for CLS

4) comparing 2 earings is not the same as comparing a primary weapon against an off hander.

that is all
Use of Earrings
# Apr 17 2002 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
The value of the earrings are debatable. I have a set of both on my Shadowknight, the cougar claw is better for groups where I am not MT or raids, but when soloing, I like the hps better, most of the time the mobs are feared ;) Also, my necro likes Orc fang because of the hps as well. There are many uses, and depending on the other gear you have, there are cases where orc fang are better. Its like arguing that Owlbear Claw earrings are better than Cougar claw. Just my 2cp :)

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# Apr 16 2002 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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On E'Ci you're luck to get 100p each for them. People seem to want the Orc Fang more. (don't ask me why) For a melee type they are much better IMO.

When I first got to Velious and started looting them I could get 300-400p each, prices have dropped thru the floor :(
RE: price
# Apr 17 2002 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Its real simple. Orc fang earrings are cheaper,typically. Also, Orc Fang Earrings have a HP buff that monks love. AC and HP are more important to most monks I have talked to than stat buffs. Rogues, on the other hand, love Cougar Claw Earrings because they buff the 3 areas we value most: DEX, STR, and AC (in that order).
RE: price
# Apr 18 2002 at 11:42 PM Rating: Default
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DEX, STR, AC in that order?

WTF are you thinking?

Dex only affects ranged and procing...has no effect on melee...except for skill gains

STR however raises atk

AC keep you alive

Try this order...

STR, AC, HP, AGI, STA, DEX
(move dex up if using procing gear)


And FYI 15 HPs is worthles....1 AC 1 STR and 2 DEX is much better then 15 hps 20+

And I have 4 50+ chars....so I'd know
RE: price
# Jun 21 2002 at 3:38 PM Rating: Default
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Always thought that dex also was the chance to hit your max dmg in melee... which would be useful for a rogue's backstab... str = higher dmg cap... dex = better chance to hit that dmg cap... Why not everyone go make a barb rogue since they have higher str then? :P
RE: price
# Apr 19 2002 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't give us the "I have 10 lvl 60 characters so I'm the GOD of EQ stats and info" excuse...

I've seen plenty of idiots above lvl 50 that STILL don't know how to play their characters...

Clerics that run around like an idiot if a mobs on them... Chanters that want to buff and not mezz when needed... Warriors that never trained taunt... there's plenty of them...

BTW 15 hps may be worthless, but on numerous pieces, a lot of HPs can be accumulated, and at lower lvls (and cheaper prices) orc fangs can easily be accepted over cougar claws.

and BTW, does DEX effect Backstab? cause I'm sure if it does, Rogues will be moving DEX up a little higher on your "perfect" list... and I love how you ignored resists on that list too.
RE: price
# Jun 06 2002 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't forget about the monk that didn't practice Feign Death ;)

Sorry for the off topic post but I just had to mention that one...that's right, it has happened!
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RE: price
# Apr 17 2002 at 10:50 PM Rating: Decent
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The HP's are preferable to a Warrior also if nothing better available, say an electrum black sapphire.
Can I?
# Apr 13 2002 at 8:23 PM Rating: Default
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Can a ranger lvl 27 find a group over here, my uncle has a ranger of lvl 30, and he came to iceclad ocean at lvl 26 and stayed til lvl 30? Can i do it?
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RE: Can I?
# Apr 16 2002 at 5:31 PM Rating: Default
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I think that would completely depend on the server. On mine, it's highly doubtful... IC's usually almost empty, with maybe a few farmers and/or soloers. EW is also usually soloers or higher level Ry'Gorr groups. I wish you luck. I still have a pair of these that I soloed at 35. ;)
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Hps
# Mar 21 2002 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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How come this doesn't show 15hps. Do these have hps, i know on another server it shows that these have 15hps. which one is correct, i would only trade in my orc fang earring for this if it has the hps.


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RE: Hps
# Mar 25 2002 at 11:44 AM Rating: Default
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No HP, and its better than orc fang anyway
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RE: Hps
# Apr 16 2002 at 10:20 PM Rating: Default
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Hehe, better is debateable. I know a 60th Warrior in an uber guild who still wears an orc fang earring. Why? +15 hp. After a certain point, AC stops mattering, and with uber shaman/chanter buffs, your dex is out of sight anyways. So, to survive those big hits, and make cheal more effective, HP's are were its at. If you are lower level, then the orc fang might be better, especially for a rogue with a proc'er or something.
RE: Hps
# Apr 17 2002 at 8:32 AM Rating: Decent
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QUOTE:
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~I know a 60th Warrior in an uber guild who stills wears an orc fang earring~
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Must not be an uber guild or an uber warrior, even the smallest AC bonus is worth more than 15hp, at lvl 60 even more so. In NToV with mobs hitting for 400+ i dont think 15hp is gonna help too much, but AC will. Also, its pretty clear that you're BSing, not mentioning the name of the warrior or the guild...and thinking that AC doesnt matter, sheesh.
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Edited, Wed Apr 17 09:27:18 2002
RE: Hps
# Apr 18 2002 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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First off this has 1 more AC then the orc fang and secondly I am a 52 warrior I have both couger claw and orc I never wear teh cougar you say 15 HP isn't much I just finshed Vox the other day with 7 HP the other day as the MT and I zoned in SolB dragging corpse of raid partners from the buff room to zone again zonin with 20HP I solo the rockgrabbers in DSP and often end up with only 150-20 HP depending on the fight and if I have to zone cause of adds I doubt one AC will make a difference. Also AC is not King in NToV what tank told you that it is resists that make a difference there not so much AC unless you are main tank even then you do have a soft cap at 1200 sort of like casters who go for raw mana after they reach a certain amount of wisdom/intelligence...It is true I am not uber but at 52 15 HP has made a difference more tehn once this week alone so stop with this BS and just play your own game the way you do!

Edited, Thu Apr 18 16:06:00 2002
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RE: Hps
# Apr 17 2002 at 11:55 PM Rating: Good
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Actually once you hit the soft AC cap of around 1100-1200 AC, HP becomes much more desireable then AC at higerlevels. Additional AC does very little in terms of damage reduction. So many warriors start switching out AC items for HP items once they reach the cap. Notice the changes on castersrealm creation guides where they are basically recomending you put all your starting points into STA for the HP. I agree that 15hp off one item is not that much, but it does add up once you get more hp on several items. This is why crusty armor is considered an upgrade to crafted even though it has less AC.


#slobber, Posted: Apr 18 2002 at 10:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) you're stupid as sh*t, go try being a warrior, and getting hit for anything above 100, and tell me if a worthless 15hps will keep you alive, then change it out for something with more AC or AGI to raise AC, and STFU and listen to the people who know.... moron
RE: Hps
# Apr 17 2002 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
The value of the earrings are debatable. I have a set of both on my Shadowknight, the cougar claw is better for groups where I am not MT or raids, but when soloing, I like the hps better, most of the time the mobs are feared ;) Also, my necro likes Orc fang because of the hps as well. There are many uses, and depending on the other gear you have, there are cases where orc fang are better. Its like arguing that Owlbear Claw earrings are better than Cougar claw. Just my 2cp :)

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solo
# Feb 26 2002 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
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If you cant solo these at lvl 30 with careful pulling. whats wrong with you i have been killing these kitty's for 5 lvls now on my pally, sure I died a few times but thats cuz i wasnt paying attention when I pulled and ended up with 3 or 4 kats on me. Now i havent died once in the past 3 lvls there. btw the earrings are nice but an orc fang is better with the + 15 hp thing they got but these are second best for fang earrings :) if you want a pair just kill a million kitties i have looted three which aint too bad, aint too good either but the rare drop makes it worth some plat
RE: solo
# Apr 17 2002 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
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sure you can solo these at 30, I did it with my SK for a bit, but the kills are slow, the xp sucks, and the chance of one dropping the earring sucks killing at that rate, you would likely have to solo for hours just to see one drop. much better things you could be doing with your time at level 30.
RE: solo
# Mar 26 2002 at 7:25 AM Rating: Default
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How is 3AC, 3str, and 15hp better than 4AC, 3str, and 2dex? The Cougar Claw Earrings have 1 more AC, equal strength, and 2 dex instead of 15 hp. 15 hp won't do you much good when mobs hit for 40 each time.
RE: solo
# Apr 16 2002 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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+15hp isnt that great when you consider that at the level of the cougars, plus anything else you fight from that level on, will hit you for 3 to 4 times as much. I personally would rather have the dex.

Just my opinion
RE: solo
# Mar 26 2002 at 3:01 PM Rating: Default
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Amen to that post, Praise Tunare, i played for 2 hours last night and between me and my rogue friend we got 4 earrings, we imidiayly Removed our crappy little orc fang earring's, i gave mine to a wizard who was sitting and medding at the dock who had a jade and mithiril earirng in his ear slot's (i didnt ask..)... didnt even charge him. and now i crit with my bow a little more often and hey my AC Went up... and all of us meelee types know that AC/Strngth is the Only Way to go....

Runical StormBow 34th Season Ranger of Tunare, Luclin Server

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RE: solo
# Mar 16 2003 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
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I wouldn't agree AC/Str is only way to go, I would say HP more important than AC and Dex>Str atleast for SK, HP/Sta/Dex/AC/Str most important in that order for SK imo

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Good items
# Feb 19 2002 at 6:14 AM Rating: Decent
I finally have a set (a pair of earrings)! I don't know if there are better earrings for a Ranger, but the combined plus 8 AC works for me. If any Rangers read this post, please advise if I should be looking for another pair of earrings. I understand Ranger's should concentrate on AC, AGI, STR then WIS. Is that correct?

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# Feb 07 2002 at 8:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Got one earring in like 2 hours or so of messing around killing cougars. Great xp if you're a solo ranger or druid....if they earrings drop and you have better just farm up and sell in ec a couple days later.
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when?
# Jan 24 2002 at 7:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Can a level 41 monk solo these? will they train? What is max dmg. of cougars?
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RE: when?
# Feb 11 2002 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Thats BS. I started soloing snow courgars at lvl 36. They r great exp. Bring lots of badages when u go. BTW I havent found any cougar claw earings yet.



Qualei
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RE: when?
# Jan 27 2002 at 12:01 AM Rating: Decent
Sorry ,Monks can't handle these weak cats.....
RE: when?
# Feb 07 2002 at 8:54 PM Rating: Decent
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dude of course you can solo them, i do it all the time as a 33 ranger(ya fear helps a lil but o well) just watch for trains....but then again monks have FD ;) most you'll get is 2 or 3 in 1 pull and you should be able to handle that.
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New Oberservations on Drop Rate
# Dec 04 2001 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
I had posted before about these not dropping too often. It was kind of frustrating. Well, the other day I was grouped with a 36 necro, a 32 Mage, a 32 wiz and a 30 enchanter. We were chain pulling these things, killing tons of them. We were pulling all the cougars that were popping in the area near the igloos. Well, after a few hours we had killed many, many cougars and nothing dropped. Then one dropped (I lost the roll). Two cougars later another one dropped (I WON THE ROLL FINALLY MY FIRST EARRING!). Next one we killed after that another Cougar Claw Earring. Wow, that was practically 3 in a row. About 8 or 9 cougars later yet another earring dropped. That's 4 cougar claw earrings in about a 20 cougar span.

My conclusion is that when one drops there will be some more dropping real soon. Then it goes dry again for awhile. So, you just have to hang in there.
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RE: New Oberservations on Drop Rate
# Mar 25 2002 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Got one on my 3rd kill, then waited 200 kills or so, got my second) Soloing as a 34 ranger.

Im not exaggerating

Edited, Mon Mar 25 11:52:22 2002
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RE: New Oberservations on Drop Rate
# Apr 17 2002 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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200 . i hope you dinged a few .. or you died a lot
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fang, what for?
# Dec 02 2001 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Im in IC and I killed many cougar, but all of a sudden I come across a bloodstained fang... anyone know what to do with it?
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RE: fang, what for?
# Dec 04 2001 at 5:04 PM Rating: Good
It is a piercing weapon magic 9/32. You can equip it in either melee slot.
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Drop Rate on Torvonillous
# Dec 02 2001 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
I have been hunting here since the beginning of level 30 and I am now almost level 32. I have yet to see one drop off a snow cougar. One did drop off of midnight, but, I lost the roll. As the previous poster said, I will hang in there. Bloodstained Fang did drop. Others on this server have also noticed the slow down in drops.
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Drop rate
# Nov 22 2001 at 9:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have soloed lv 38-41 in Ice Clad and have had about 12 earings drop, I have killed more cougers than you can shake a stick at. These really are random. I have gone 70+ cougers between earrings and as few as 3. Just tough it out there for some great loot and exp, especially if your a ranger or druid. My 2cp
lol
# Nov 03 2001 at 3:06 AM Rating: Default
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you guys are goin to hate me, i just bought the expansion, and i ported in there, the 1st thing i killed waz one of these and it dropped the earing. i'm a wizard though so i have no use for it so i gave it to my guildie friend and he gave me his old orc earing. only use i have for it is for str if i'm encumbered.
Cougars per earing
# Oct 09 2001 at 8:08 PM Rating: Good
Hi, my group of a 30 cleric, a 31 bard, a 32 bard and a 31 monk killed 70 cougars in 3 hours and 20 minutes to get 2 earrings. So the drop rate on Karana is 35 cougars to an earring. And we hunted north and east of the Tower.
NONE
# Oct 07 2001 at 4:53 PM Rating: Default
I have been hunting snow cougars by the igloos in IC for at least a weeks now (about 30 hours) and I haven't seen one of these drop yet. Its getting rather irritating.....
first kill
# Sep 29 2001 at 3:28 AM Rating: Default
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Woot first time i killed a cougar got one of these.
awww
# Sep 24 2001 at 3:57 PM Rating: Default
Fennin Ro Rate seems to not go UNDER 450pp-350pp

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Drop rate
# Sep 21 2001 at 8:57 AM Rating: Default
I've killed ~70 cougars now by the gnome igloos in IC and have looted 2 of the earrings. I was going to give the one away but now that I have a pair I'm probably going to sell them for spell money.

Topsoil
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RE: Drop rate
# Sep 22 2001 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
M'Lady (30 Cleric) and I (30 Warrior) went and lost our Velious Virginity last night hunting Snow Cougars by the Gnommies in Iceclad last night. In roughly 3 hours of hunting we killed 25 of the pretty white kitties and looted 1 of the Earrings. A friend of mine was over there a month or so ago and in 4 hours of more heavily hunting came up with 4 earrings.

As for the mention of price, they seem to be running around 150pp to 250pp on on Morell Thule right now with most falling right in the middle. See a lot of "200pp or 350pp for the Pair" deals.

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#Wolvensoul, Posted: Aug 25 2001 at 3:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nice try, 9 in 4 hours ?
RE: Cyreldor
# Nov 08 2001 at 2:45 PM Rating: Default
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Unlikely, but not impossible. The odds of a snow cougar having one are about 3%, but it's still a dice roll on each snow cougar. Just like in RL gambling, you can have runs of good or bad luck. You might fight cougars for days and never get one, or you might get 9 in four hours. It's not necessarily bull@#%^ as you claim.
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wow
# Aug 17 2001 at 5:28 PM Rating: Default
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I got 2 in 30min by the igloos in IC. and then some druid sold me 2 for 200pp he got 2 in 45min gess he did not need them.so that is 4 in 1houre and 15min so hope that helps. =)
Frequency
# Aug 15 2001 at 5:11 PM Rating: Default
I have hunted these off and on for awhile. After nearly a level worth I saw only one drop. Luckily I won it (first time I ever won anything decent). I have friends who have hunted the same times and places (Near happy gnoll and igloos in IC) and they have been much more sucessful. I think it more luck of the draw than absolute frequency.

Setminka
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