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Tersmochin Heartwood (I'll need some serious help getting this, I know)
Orb of Stinging Fury
Lifetap augs from DoN
Hate augs (Deep Crust Fire Geode)
Any suggestions?
Rage Moss. Drops from a lvl 72 mob. Can be one grouped.
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61st Paladin
Erollisi Marr
to kill Sir Lucan De`Lere.. ya only need
1) a lvl 60+ pally
2) under lvl 60 pally with a healer
or
3) a small group of 50's ( 1 group )
you DONT need to pull him to zone an
an have a NON KOS person hail him..
YOU can pull him solo ( to the NFP zone line )
where <insert 1,2,or 3>.. will be waiting
TO KILL..
very easy to do..
IF YOU ever need him killed.
call on me "i like it"
SirKavika Loyalhaart
Emerald Alliance
Lany's Server
Happy Hunting
Got this lil' beaut after about a year of relatively active gaming on char. Thought I'd add a few notes for others who are still seeking their 1.0.
1. Ghoulbane: Cake quest. do it in yer mid 20's, should take a few days.
2. Soulfire:
A. Faction is the worst part, take yer 4000gp or so, donate it 2gp at a time in Qeynos for consistent fac over a few hrs time to Warmly.
B. Xicotl. Now in the Faydark, since the MM revamp, duo'd him in 50's. If doing SF in 30s or 40s bring help fer him.
C. Sir Lucan. Bring help unless in 60s+. Pull to EC ZL, zone. Friends (non-KoS) hail him and key you in when other guards gone. Commence the beatdown. The quest portions are cake, look up the rest on the SF item posts.
3. Fiery Avenger:
A. Books books books. THIS is the true bottleneck of 1.0 fer pallies. If yer havin trouble gettin books, thank the dragon farmers. Either get yourself a high level ranger buddy who can search the respective zones fer dragons DAILY fer a week or so; OR make a ranger alt of yer own if ye dont have any ranger buddies. find the spawn date, will most likely be the kill date also :) Track it, call guild, commence the beatdown (tank them lower than yer 50s and ye'll not live long to regret it :P).
B. If the ranger track method doesn't appeal to ye, keep 75-100k on yer trader mule at all times and pray fer Book of Scale to show up in baz. just FYI: the book DID NOT APPEAR in /baz search window as of July/Aug or 2004.* I was perusing for a Runed Bolster Belt and found a mule selling 3 or 4 of em (GREAT indicator of a dragon farmer). Went to purchase, and looked thru inventory, sure enough, this guy had the book. Only wanted 10k fer it (quite a steal imho), so i bought it. I double checked the /baz search window just in case i missed somethin, but no, the book merely DID NOT APPEAR in search even though i was staring at it in the guy's inventory for sale.
*edit- it shows in bazaar now, as of September 05. Saw one the other day on mule.
C. Miragul: 7 day spawn, bring a necro (to charm lich for hand in) and group of buddies in 50s, 60s to burn his arse to the ground. Loot head and robe.
D. Deepwater faction: get an evil Erudite to let you into Paineel and then you can begin the slaughter his evil brethren :) can be solo'd in low 60s, but bring goodie race/class friends if need groupage ie: <lv60. spend an hour or two slaughtering green-blue NPCs and guards. DO NOT go near the GMs or wander far from the ZL heh. Faction can be done in no time flat.
E. Inte Akera for turn in: Get a necro who's keyed thru Isle 4 (and cleric also keyed to 4, if desiered 96% rezzes), as well as a wizzy to port. Wizzy ports ye up, you attack any NPC and die. Cleric rezzes, Necro runs to Isle 4 and summons corpse then necro rez (or cleric rez again) once there. Wizzy waits on Isle one to spawn Dason and then Inte. Wizzy gives the 500pp once you're on 4 near spawn point. Give him the GB, SF, then return the blessings, and head/robe for FA.
4. Fiery Defender: Ok once ye have the FA (or before ye get it if wanna be pre-emptive heh), all 3 Tainted Darksteel items can be got in one session (few RL hrs time). I know because I killed all three named fer the three drops AND did the final turn-in to Irak in PoF in the same day :) Try this order and method, it worked fer me. Keep busy until the next real Patch day. Log-in Immediately after patch, then follow this path:
A. Kirak Vil in Nektulos Forest- easy to find, one group of 60s will destroy this peon. Don't bother trying to solo regen too fast fer pally DPS in 50s, low 60s. Kill/ Loot Shield. (5 min tops to kill this sucker once all zone in).
B. Thought Destroyer in Hate. Buy the port stones (52pp ea) in cleric guild Neriak 3rd Gate. can be solo'd in 60's but recommend at least a healer to be on safe side. Head to /loc -150 -600, the mob is in a corner between some building-structures. Destroy and loot BP. (Should take you no more than 10-15 min to find and kill once in zone).
C. Keeper of the Tombs. Print a map. Bring a strong group high 50s- low 60s, with Cleric, Chanter, and Druid for track/port home. Work your way down clearing everything that comes at you. Push toward -300, +275 or so. Track from there if needs. The drop A Sacred Key shold have dropped off mobs enroute, if not, ye can bard/rogue picklock to get into his room, and/or use wolfform to poke your nose in and target for taunt, stun, nuke whatever to pull him out. (This camp will be the most time consuming of the 3, give it an hour or two, assuming no wipe). Kill, making sure not to push mob thru the door, so you can still loot. Loot up gate/port out for fastest exit.
*edit -fastest I ever did keeper was about 45 of crawling with clr + mag trio, clearing everything from the undead portion on.
D. Irak Altil. This one will be tough. No way around it. I was fortunate enough to have zoned in after someone had cleared the majority of mobs in zone. Irak was still up, hanging out at his favorite Belltower. Best advice, DONT GO ALONE. BRING INSTA-GATE potions "Vial of Swirling Smoke", one for each char in zone.* Bring at least a high level tracker class (I brought a druid), to have them kite mobs toward Irak. Have them then break away from him once you can see him, so you can do turn-ins while the mobs aggro kiter. Both insta-gate home afterward for the win :)
*edit- DoN summoning here now. Don't /fear Fear :)
That's all i got. Hope it helps. Good luck and never give up! Your very own epic 1.0's still out there waitin on ye :)
Edited, Wed Sep 14 10:46:20 2005
"Should not the measure of one's self-discipline also be the measure of one's self-worth?"
/CHUCKLE
YES you can buy better weapons damage/delay wise.
NO you cannot BASH with them pre 59 and 20+ aa's.
NO they do not look nearly as cool as the epic.
FEW of them have such a good proc/proc rate.
My little group is about done with this for our pally. We're all 55 (getting all aa's before moving to 59) There is a PAL, MNK, RNG, SHM, CLE and we pick up random LFG people to fill the 6th spot. CLE is one kill from epic, SHM (me) is only two, RNG is two, MNK is one and pally has just completed his FA.
You don't have to raid every single night to have fun. You don't have to take crap from people who play while you're at work who say your items are gimp. At least you're not getting money from your mom to buy expansions and using her cerdit card each month to play EQ.
You're goals are yours and yours alone. If you want to stay lvl 52 and hunt old dragons your whole life, that's great! If you want to kill a few lvl 53's and get the old school epic, go for it! I wish you the best of luck =)
Sscarz Spiritseer
55 SHM of Bristlebane
<Avatars of Bane>
P.S.
If you share our goals (Epics, get all aa's when they become available, take time to enjoy the game) Give us a tell. We hit HS and Seb alot, and we're always up for epic fun.
Edited, Tue Mar 15 02:04:45 2005
Edited, Sat Nov 20 17:11:13 2004
Hobbit Overlord of the 68th season of Xev (Druzzil Ro)
Defender of the Vale, Slayer of Orcs,Fighter of the Gnolls, Dessimated the Goblins, Destroyed the Vampires, Ransacked the Kobolds, Exterminated the Zombie Frogloks, Cremated the Aviaks, Crushed the Centaurs, Mangled the Eyes of Xorbb, Raided the Bandits, Bane of Nagafen, Shreded the Giants, Wrecked the Wurms, Liberated Grobb, and on an ongoing war against the dark elves!
Do not underestimate the power of a midget
http://bonzz.ohgo.com
Edited, Dec 3rd 2006 5:54am by GOMN
Bonzz of the Knights of Truth, Bertoxx Server
http://www.bonzz.com/bonzz.htm
(please excuse my dyslexic typing skills)
And ALL of it is absolutely Pally related. Progression is just as Pally related as epics, gear, etc.
Bonzz of the Knights of Truth, Bertoxx Server
http://www.bonzz.com/bonzz.htm
(please excuse my dyslexic typing skills)
Just a thought. Saw the edit date was Nov 7, 2004 so it should be using the current ruleset.
Other than that, looks like a self-repository on how the game is played rather than mostly Paladin specific as most of the information is way to redundant on other sites.
Darkelf Shadowknight
Luclin
Morrene Thorngage - 70th Ranger
EQ
Morrene Thorngage - 70th Ranger
Genella Biddlekin - 70th Enchanter
65 Paladin on 7th Hammer
I started this quest a LONG time ago. (3.5 years ago) Like every pally at lvl 15 or so, I loved my ghoulbane. The soulfire was good for a bit, once my 5 ch's were gone there were better weps starting to come out. Somehow I managed to stop using 2hs, and started using the 2hp'ers out there. I fell in love with the 2hp vs 2hs. Seem to miss less and hit for more with 2hp when compared to a 2hs with the same ratio. So I said screw it, why get a 2hs like FD when at lvl 55 I could use narandi's lance which blows FD away? Then newer stuff came out, and still newer. Now stuff like Heavy Windriders Lance totally smokes the FD and makes me feel so glad I never bothered going any further then soulfire. Alot of people can relate to this im sure.... now, At lvl 65 I never would have imagined I'd be posting in a thread about the FD. But with the epic 2.0's coming out, and the assumption that origional epic will be a part of that quest, if yer a 65 pally who doesnt have the FD rotting in the bank, its going to suck bad 8(
If the new pally epic is anything close to the zerker epic it would be worth having IMO. I personally will be stuck waiting to find something better then my HWL with the next expansion. So if your still in your low 50's or below, watse the time to get this FD because as it turns out, it wont be such a waste afterall.
I had decided to NOT do the epic after I got the Ghoulbane and Soulfire.
I was helping a guildie in Hate. Lo and behold, the BP drops. So, a guildie needs an epic drop in the Hole. Keeper dies, have sword.
About 2 weeks later, the same guildie send me a tell. Someone dropped Sev and the torn burnt book is still on the corpse.
With all that dropped in my lap, I changed my mind. Killed Kirak Vil. Got shield.
Now all I need is to catch Gore and kill Miragul. My guild is working Sky right now, and we're all keyed to the 4th isle. Turn in will be cake.
The moral of the story would be while you may not intend to do your epic, hang onto what you already have. You never know when the right things will happen at the right time.
And like you, I hope the Pally Epic V2.0 is truly an EPIC weapon. Ours is the oldest and most outdated epic there is. We're due :)
Mith Marr Lord Protector
Prexus Server
"So many Undead. So Little Time"
Many will want to remind me about the better equipment out there, and I KNOW it is there - I AM actively trying to get it. I just want to know that I am not someone who starts and gives up. It is MY want, MY desire, MY goals that drove me to complete this. No one can take this away from me. I finished what I started.
What is great about this though, is the number of people who want to actually see the weapon. They want me to show it off. This makes the end result all the more satisfying, in that others can share in my joy and sense of accomplishment.
So, to you who think this is a waste of time - do what you will. Setting a goal and finishing it - despite what other people think, is a reward in and of itself.
For all you Brother Paladins out there working this - stick with it friends - in the end - it is YOUR satisfaction that matters.
Rumblebore Adamant, 62 Paladin, Innoruuk Server.
Edited, Sat May 1 16:40:17 2004
text removed by me because of duplication
Edited, Sat May 1 16:39:39 2004
68 Halfling Druid with 35AA
The first one now will later be last, for the times, they are a-changin'
Avenger Zorbee Bunny'Slayer of Stromm
Comprehensive Paladin Clickies List
Also, i may be wrong, but to get pally epic dont you hav to stay below lvl 53? i mean thatis unfair as other classes dont have a lvl limit to get theirs, having the limit just causes alot of uneccessary aggrivation, having to wait around forever at 52 as all your friends go up in lvls, and consifdering how slow the spawn is and how many pallies are around, you are stuck at 52 for a very long time.
As a high elf i went for Natures Defender anyway because i prefer it, i think due to the 45 AC it has it is a better weapon, at least for me it is anyway.
Its just a shame they made FD such a pain to get for such a little reward
As a 65 Paladin (Not elemental but shhhhhhh) I would consider using the Zerker Epic in everyday combat. The Paladin Epic is really bad other then the hidden ATK bonus...
With the new Zerker epic being so much better, I think they ought to upgrade the Pally/SK Epic.
85 Paladin on Drinal
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1076467
1150 BB - Black Diamond of Regeneration - 75 Diseased Based LifeTap
1150 NRo - Sparkling Emerald of Protection - Spell Guard III (5% Melee Damage Absorb until the shield takes over 300 Melee Damage)
These are all Equal in effectiveness in my opinion. Frankly it'd be great to just take the 150DD since its cold based and will add more diversity to your Magic Based.
The lifetap is great and adds some nicer agro but is kinda expensive.
Guard is very nice for tankage but again is expensive... and on real high end mobs I dunno how valuable it is, but it definatly has its perks.
Choose whichever fits you, but these are your best bets that you can actually count on getting.
Cac
65 Pally, solusk ro
Empire of Eternity
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result."
"Courage of the heart is very rare; the stone has a power when it's there." -Nicodemus, Leader of the Rats of NIMH-
The way multiple procs work, is with each swing, a roll is thrown for each proc. However, only one proc can activate per swing. So, you will never have more than one proc per swing, but you have a greater chance for a proc going off per swing. So, as a pally, if you have a spell proc, your fiery defender, and a nice DD aug in it, You have a 3 times greater chance of your weapon procing per swing.
Whatever the case, adding procs onto the weapon most definatly adds to the proc rate, with 4 Procs (2 on the weapon, Pious Might, NDT) I proc a ton! It might not be 4 times as much as normal, but its definatly more.
Edited, Sun Mar 21 11:13:31 2004
1150 BB - Black Diamond of Regeneration - 75 Diseased Based LifeTap
1150 NRo - Sparkling Emerald of Protection - Spell Guard III (5% Melee Damage Absorb until the shield takes over 300 Melee Damage)
These are all Equal in effectiveness in my opinion. Frankly it'd be great to just take the 150DD since its cold based and will add more diversity to your Magic Based.
The lifetap is great and adds some nicer agro but is kinda expensive.
Guard is very nice for tankage but again is expensive... and on real high end mobs I dunno how valuable it is, but it definatly has its perks.
Choose whichever fits you, but these are your best bets that you can actually count on getting.
This sword has "Slot 1: Type 4", Not type 1.
I didn't take a pic of it to send in for the update, but I'm sure it'll be changed soon enough.
There are three quests that must be done before the Fiery Defender quest. These quests are Ghoulbane, Soulfire, and the Fiery Avenger quest.
Tip for Fiery Avenger:
When you have all the items to hand into Inte Akera in Plane of Sky...make sure you hand him Ghoulbane... then Soulfire. You will receive two blessings for giving him the two swords. Give him back those blessings and the Head and Robe of Miragul to receive Fiery Avenger. I did not understand this hand in policy and had to petition to get items back. MAKE SURE you have warmly faction with Deepwater Knights in Erudin as well, VERY IMPORTANT!!
Once you have Fiery Avenger, it is time to get the Defender. I am currently a few steps away. I have received the breastplate from Hate and have gotten the gem, Reklon Gallen combined them nad gave me the Gleaming Breastplate. I have received the sheild from Kirak Vil in Nek Forest and Elia the Pure in Felwithe has blessed it for me. I only need the sword from the Hole to get the Mark of Atonement from Reklon Gnallen. Then I will be off to the Plane of Fear to clear the zone, charm Irak and hand him the Mark and Fiery Avenger. Then the epic is mine!
Info: Breastplate is a rare spawn, however I was lucky to get it on my first time to Hate. Keep lookin for those thought corrupters.
The Keeper of Tombs in the Hole must be a 7 day spawn since I have ventured there twice and he has not been up. You CANNOT track him so if anyone finds a great way to find out if he's up, please post it.
If you have any further questions, please post and I will try to help. Good luck to you all!
Kareka Stoutheart - 60 Paladin of Brell
Fironia Vie
And yes, the Keeper of Tombs can be tracked.
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result."
"Courage of the heart is very rare; the stone has a power when it's there." -Nicodemus, Leader of the Rats of NIMH-
I was on a raid to get our chanter the Kindle drop and I asked our tracker what named were up in this area. when he said the Keeper of the Tombs I about split my pants. Not only did we get our chanter her drop but also mine!
The keeper is now in the building with the Ghost of kindle on the outside, the one in the farthest south location.
If you use the EQAtlas map, and look at where 11 is, which is an underground tunnel and chamber with mimics in it, the courtyard ABOVE that (in the zone - you have to get to this place from the West) is where Kindle is. The chamber SOUTH of that contains the Keeper. There is another square chamber on that map that is south of the Keepers chamber fed by 2 tunnels running N-S and with side corridors switching back and forth to take you upstairs to another chamber. So he is essentially in the middle of those chamber areas. At least that is where we found him.
He has a couple of spooks with him, but Paci Pulling was easy.
Good Hunting all.
Once you crawl him down there, you can log in whenever you want, hide and sneak, and go check for the Keeper whenever you feel like it.
I've got little Holosploro camped out there on Tarew Marr waiting patiently for the day the Keeper of the Tombs is up.
Edited, Wed Aug 20 04:12:55 2003
Paladin of the Fourth Wall, Tarew Marr
Sir KyrosKrane Sylvanblade
Luclin (Veeshan) Server
Lord, Lightbringer, and Redeemer in the service of Erollisi Marr
Master Artisan (300 + GM Trophy in All)
Master Fisherman (200 + 5%) and maybe Master Drunk (2xx + 20%, too drunk to tell!)
Hide/sneak still works well; the only kos mobs that see through it are the ratman inhabitants, chests and the gargoyles, and only at the above mentioned places do the gargoyles aggro (they don't seem to aggro from the rooftops when you go underneath). The ghosts (also kos) do NOT see through hide/sneak. All other mobs should be dubious and you can roam pretty freely.
Best way for anyone to survive a drop into the Hole is /q right before you hit the bottom. If done properly, when you come back in you continue to fall the remaining distance and can get away with taking very little damage.
GET YOU OWN PAGE AND WHINE THERE!
there are some of us who like to actually read the posts for valuble information on spawn times, locations and hints/tips on strategies..
I play a paladin loudly and proudly, i do my best to add flavour and character to every guild and group i am in. I know it's how you play a character, NOT what his stats are, NOT what race/class is, NOT what gear you have..
Play a table-top rpg for a while, and learn the value of teamwork and roleplaying and see what the rest of us are trying to accomplish.
w(h)ining in your lifetime pal
IMHO epics should be no drop and all components should be non-MQ'able. Otherwise they are not truly "epic" are they?
Paladin
The Rathe
Be careful though, I watched another NPC hunt him down and kill him the other night.
Riany Lightbringer
Knight of Luclin
This guy is a heretic who spawns every 6 minutes next to the dock in Toxx forest. I killed him 20 times and turned in his bones (one at a time) to a guy in the Erudin Palace (can't remember his name but a bestiary search for Elial Brook will sort you out) and I had amiable faction.
Took about two hours, practiced swimming and sense heading between pops, and I am good to go for my epic.
This worked for me having never killed a single mob that ever raised Deepwater faction.
Ehre Firestrike
51 Cavalier
Prexus Server
Also think theres a level limit on NPC's talking to you for other epic's.
In any event, no, level does not affect the dmg from the proc in this case, nor in any other cases I can think of offhand...perhaps some procs do...
Few notes that may have been lost...
Must...be...in...raid...group/guild.
Books are MQ if you need to, the Book of Scale is droppable! (save yer shineys perhaps...)
Faction with DW Knights is a PAIN in the butt time sink for non-Erudite types. Trust me on this one. NEVER do anything to jeopardize it unless you enjoy the running and clicking game.
Miragul IS a pushover for a raid type group. 3 solid groups and he fell like a drunk date...Of course average level was 57 or so I think according to the "raid-o-meter".
The things you do to get the Mark of Atonement are easy compared to getting the Books in my opinion. This is because the books don't always drop. I wouldn't call them very rare based on my experience, but they are certainly not a sure thing either. However and once again: MUST be in raid group/guild. How else you gonna get to second floor of hate, the deepest bowels of the hole?
Most of all, it's an involvement of time. That is, in my opinion, why the epic has such a significance amongst fellow EQ players. It's a serious commitment to horribly meaningless little tasks (questing for another Ghoulbane after I traded mine LONG ago never thinking I would see my epic EVER)! I never want to set foot in Najena or HHK again, ever.
So yes, OF COURSE, there are better weapons available, but this one is the mac-Weapon for paladins. No other was thought about and crafted with as much love and devotion by the folks at Verant.
The paladin epic, IN MY OPINION, set the standard for all epics. Remember when Soulfire was the super-most-duper sword in the whole of Norrath because it had flames?! I do...I remember the first time I laid eyes on a Soulfire and thought, "Some day".
Other classes used to raise all kinds of cries of favoritism and paladins had as much as a 30% experience penalty for this and many other reasons that are now completely moot! Now here I am with the Fiery Defender wondering...What now? Guess I should level or something huh?
Werty
Level 53
High Elfie Paladin
Knights of Brightblade
Rallos Zek
3.5 years old and chugging!
Edited, Mon Dec 9 14:00:31 2002
One comment though - if you spend some time in the Warrens slaughtering Kobolds you can get your Deepwater (and Heretic) faction to ally. Best thing to do of course is to spend a level in your teens in here getting exp at the same time....
Prexus server
Enchanter of Erud
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=999180
I wish I'd known about the warrens before! I collected about 100 zombie skins, god only KNOWS how many Pearls of Odus, similar nutty number of diseased shark runs...And keeling that no good Elial on the dock! ACK! It is tough when you are in the level range of the Warrens as a High Elf paly to consider running over there to make sure you have the faction later on for your epic! hehehehe...Besides, the warrens came out longggg after I was in that range.
Good luck to all!
Not to say that paladins are not tough in a fight, but to say that they are unbeatable after only 17 pvp fights is kinda jumping the gun a bit. I play (amoung others) a lvl 17 druid on VZ whos record is currently 24-2-8. I have several other characters (some higher level) who may or may not have better records proportionately, but I never really kept track.
When you are fighting a paladin, you just have to assume that he has LH available, and that you gonna pretty much have to kill him twice, which is usally not that much of a problem, owing to the paladin's (comparatively) low damage ouput. After that, its just a matter of high MR and staying mobile while limiting his mobility via snares, roots, poisons, magic devices, or whatever your particular class has at his disposal. Stuns are really nice too, as it is kinda hard to heal yourself when you are stunned.
Anyway, the point of that ramble was that there is no such thing as an unbeatable class, and that 17 fights, (admittedly impressive, considering no defeats) is not that many.
Just playing with ya. Had to say something seeing you here. =P
Nasumi, level 60 Templar of Innoruuk
obviously you never fought a high level Pally.
our heal is fast and 800heal over time plus LoH and when Im hitting you pittiful monk ass for 300+ youll feel my wath until dead. Not to mention the Self 66% haste and 1409AC self buffed.
Bring it!
PS he has epic but uses Fire Flameberge from ToV
EDIT* also have monk atm hit 41 today
Edited, Fri Nov 29 20:04:14 2002
-Tweedius Daseedius
55th Paladin
Midnight Council of Fate
Druzzil Ro
Bismarck Server - Windurst Rank 5
Leader of DarkLegacy
Erase: O AF1: Hammer
40 WHM | 22 BLM | 20 SMN | 11 THF | 10 NIN
Cloth 59 | Cooking 42 | Gold 10 | Bonecraft 8 | Alch 2
Guild Point Items: Magnifying Spectacles
not to mention u dont desever to be TOLD how to do the things i do as a Pali,. the only way to truely comprehend all the spells and when to use em is to go andevelop your own skill, THAT is whats lost by how it takes no time to get up in LVL anymore, it was alot arder for me to get up in lvl 2 years ago before luclin and PoP,. time to hone your skill,. perfect yourseel;f at a lower lvl,. and slowly reperfect as u gain lvl and ability, now u can get 50+ without even knowing how to play your own damn class,.. not to mention all the E-Bayers buyin accounts,. also btw i hate all of u 50+ ebayed clerics that make me die cause u dont know how to be a cleric,anyways i think whoever said they couldnt beat a monk at 50+ fall into one of hte catagories of e-bay or newbie who just lvld to fast. for this reason,. well,. u have NO SKILL, maybe one day u can learn how to truely use a Pali but intill then work hard at it,. one day u may understand grasshopper.
Pali is one of the best PVP classes,. as well as Necros, as a Pali the only Class i fear is a Necro,. SKs are tough,. but there taps cant keep up with my heals, end of fight :) theres so much more to it,. but in the long run thats what it equals out to. some say rouges are beter,. but only if u a dumass to PvP and stay still.
A necro can still be beaten,. but tis SO HARD to pulll it off when the Nec is verryy experienced with PvP,. and some Specialize themselves to fighting Pali (cause they fear us)but its IS doable,. even againstthe worthy
Now about Where im posting,. Our beloved Epic
Yeah theres bettetr,. i Have wepons that make me laugh and Spit on the Epic,. look some up :) BUT u gutta remember its ALWAYS still worth getin your Epic, cause, as we all know inside weather we want to or not,. Epics are a status symbol, Horses to, even if u dont use it,. its kool to have,. it looks silly and makes people say,. OOO look its an Epic(btw silly=verry good, its slang)
Even the Rouge Epic which some say is near useless is still kool,. at least i think so
and to respond to the people who will proly flame this,.dont tell me what lvl u are and how many AA u gut,. tell me how many years you have been playn a Pali in EQ,. then u are worthy to rebuttle me
also this says its Posted by my friend,. i dont have an aco@#%^ so i posted under his name
Edited, Tue Sep 23 00:24:10 2003
Takata K'Trazz
LVL 58 Darkelf Myrmidon
Emarr
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=251453
Edited, Sat Oct 5 11:57:52 2002
I'm just an ignorant 34 paladin who hasn't even been on any raids yet. I'm sure there are l33t tactics that I've probably never heard of. *shrug* oh well.
Oh and one more thing Mr. Inky, your stuff is pretty kewl and all that, but how come you don't dual wield your epics or even have them with you? Just a question.
Edited, Sat Oct 12 12:32:32 2002
Edited, Tue Jun 24 10:01:31 2003
without clerics where would tanks be?
no wizzys=slow killing
no tanks=group wiped out
no enchanters=slow exp
it's a matter of what is most fun to the player of the character.
just my opinion.
Zarmon
30 Enchanter of The Seventh Hammer
Oh, and yes I am going after the epic, one mob away from it's completion (not to mention the turn in portion of the Fiery Avenger quest in the PoA as well as the turn in stuff for FD obviously =)
57th Knight of Mithaniel Marr
The Guardian Lords, Povar server
Edited, Tue Apr 22 08:54:43 2003
a.) died so terribly they wont admit it
b.) never dueled one
ive seen many high lvl guild PvP events. in most cases = paladin stuns warrior, gets hit a few, stuns some more, paladin heals himself...warrior needs a rez :) no matter how much you deny it.... and no im NOT saying paladins never lose, but about 90% of the time id say paladin = ownage. dont even get me started as to why monk = dead...
#1 Ever heard of Magic Resist? No more stun for you!
#2 "We hit hard as hell" not to mention slow as hell... Monks either hit harder than a pally and at a medium speed or in little tiny whacks so fast you won't even see your own hit msgs... Not to mention Flying Kicks or DragonPucnh/Tail Rake depending on what the monk uses.
#3 Its all about healing. Not if you're being hit so hard you can't get off a heal. Just try casting when a monk with epic and CoF is beating on you with a pair of low delay weapons... hell with a CoF and epic his hands become 9/10s you'll never get a heal off... LoH will just prolong the inevitable. Sorry to burst your bubble but monks really do just own in toe to toe battles. a Rogue can beat em if they're sneaky enough and a ranger can beat em if they get the monk snared... besides that. Sorry
Iksar Disciple of Tynn Shackle
Celestial Fists
Officer of <Regents of the Valkyrie>
Little ranger grrl of tp
Happy hunting -Miklos
Just using melees and hybrids:
Rangers
Rogues
Monks
Warriors
4/6... hmmm
Using casters and such, well that one's obvious :p.
Only classes I can think of that are less offensive are clerics, bards, and *maybe* enchanters (although nukes, charm, etc. are pretty scary...). And they have other talents (bards aren't the most offensive, but they'll keep doing their offense indefinately until you stop moving).
Just that pallies are *great* defensive chars :).
Now the class I really fear in duels are bards.
Edited, Mon Dec 16 13:17:31 2002
54 Paladin vs. 59 epic bard in the Bazaar Arena...
I left at 25+% health after LH...and had to rez the bard. :)
Saecula Saeculorum, Veeshan Server
ok move off the blueby server and fight a bard in the open you wont die fast but you wont kill the bard i promise
Good luck to all of you
Aurind
Fanon Faythunder
Proud 54th Paladin of Tunare, 3 years and counting.
Almost epic (2 more fights)
Radiant Eclipse
Erollisi Marr
65th Paladin of Tunare
<Caelestis Ignis>
Erollisi Marr
These same aspects of being a Paladin are what makes the class so attractive to roleplayers. Paladins are characters with character.
If you're playing a Paladin to come out on top, it will leave you dissappointed. If you're playing a Paladin because that's what you want to be, then you will be satisfied with your character.
65th Paladin of Tunare
<Caelestis Ignis>
Erollisi Marr
Stand and Deliver only by lack of faith shall you fall!
Kromlech Fireforge
37th circle Paladin of Brell
Mithaniel Marr
I think, as usual, some disagreement of which class is "better" owes itself to a narrow way of thinking.
I've both won and lost solo's with worriors, monks, sk's, etc. Some times it's just the way the random resists stack up, or random fizzles, or an error on my part or theirs. Other times I have 60 percent health left after the kill, so I conclude that it wasn't going to be close in any event. But at the end of the day, I simply don't ask which class is "better", I just don't see the world that way.
At the high end of the game, heheheheheheh, well let's just say EVERYONE knows that ALL classes have definite value to executing tuff kills !! If you haven't reached the engame type of raiding activity yet, believe me, you won't be disappointed yet you won't feel comfortable with all of the learning you discover you have yet to accomplish. I can honestly say I've learned more between levels 57 and 60, than I ever did during the previous levels. It's a whole different ball game of carefully orchestrated teamwork when facing a named NToV mob.
On the part of the Paladin, contributing damage to the mob, while healing the group with Prexus, is a very important job, and really is so vital, that some mobs are extremely tuff to kill without pallys (Sont in WW for instance). Now if a guild has so many clerics, that some can be put in each group specifically to group heal and not focus on healing the MT, then sure, you can get by without the pally. But in reality, most guilds can use more clerics, just to keep the MT Complete Heal loop viable. Buffing everyone with BMB, adding to Aego, is a nice contribution. And acting as a supplementary healer is a good contribution; by that I mean, healing casters who use summoned mod rods to gereate mana during the fight at the expense of their health, thus keeping them alive. I often lay a number of Celectial Clensing's on key casters during a fight.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is the role of the paladin that I was used to from levels 1 to 30 (secondary damage dealer in an xp group), from levels 30 to 57 (Main Tank and with KEI most times main or sometimes with a cleric a backup healer in an xp group) and the 58 to 60 experience (xp.. same, main tank and healer, endgame raid encounter: melee - never MT - and group healer, with the group cleric focussed on the MT staying alive). The roles are important ones, they contribute in a very significant way to a raiding guild, and they are FUN. Deciding whether you like THIS particular piece of the puzzle is your choice, but whatever your choice, it's still a puzzle... requiring many pieces to fit together to achieve the goal.
Obviously I think being a pally is Bubble-licious :=)
Nicketh Vindicatum
60 Crusader
Triadica
Solusek Ro
Well said.
Jolnir Fellhammer 45 Paladin Tarew Marr <Shadow Nights>
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=397501
65th Paladin of Tunare
<Caelestis Ignis>
Erollisi Marr
Saralin Battletide
39 Paladin of Mithaniel Marr
Tribunal Server
1. Weapons are about stats. This weapon is loaded with stats that will
a. Keep you alive in high lvl encounters due to the resists
b. Increase your hps with the Stamina and hps
c. Increase your dps with the added str
d. Allow you to keep agro or gain agro when required with the extra manna and wisdom
** Before you comment on how stats don't matter, play the high end game first
2. Just because a weapon can be traded does not mean its obtainable. For many paladins, this may be easier to obtain than scraping together 100kpp or more!
3. It is a Paladin weapon that is rare and sets you apart. It shows that you are dedicated to your class and have done things that will teach you more about being a paladin or an EQ player for that matter than buying 100kpp from PlayerAuctions for cash and then running out and buying a weapons will ever teach you.
So, to all the paladins who are currently working on their epic and those who already have it, I salute you. Good work!
Dmg 51, Dly 42. Wt 15.00. +80 AC, +25 Str, +25 Sta, +25 Agi, +25 Dex, +10 vsMg, +10 vsFire, +10 vsCold, +10 vsPos, +10 vsDis, +100 HP, +50 Mana, LORE MAGIC NODROP Effect of Strike of the Chosen.
Now im working on getting a Bloodied Berserker Blade
Dmg 52, Dly 40. Wt 5.00. +12 Str, +20 Sta, +12 Dex, +12 Wis, +12 Int, +18 vsMg, +18 vsFire, +18 vsCold, +18 vsPos, +18 vsDis, +125 HP, +125 Mana, LORE MAGIC NODROP Effect of Rune III. Classes: Wr Sk P Ra. All Races.
No Armor Class value but better ratio and i like the effect.
People that buy their weapons can be complete newbies because someone who can play the game earned it for them, and the buyer "earned" that weapon by farming Highkeep or RM for slow plat and saved up enough to buy it, that isn't earning it, that is buying it =/
It's like buying a car, compared to building your own (epic =)
And the proc on the epic is a low rest caster interrupt stun, stack Ward of Nife, and epic proc along with skills like Combat Fury, Holyforge, and Slay Undead 3 adds up to some awesome DPS and agro.
And for the people that say pallies can tank until higher lvls are wrong. Any pally that plays the class well can tank no problem. I have had lvl 60 warriors MT in groups who can't control mobs or agro become SA and me made the tank because I play a pally well. Trick to playing a pally MT is knowing that HP > All and lvl 9 stun is uber =/
Miragul is my last mob for epic, then I'm running to PoA and PoF to claim my new toys =0
And even worse, several in the top 20 are tradeable.
So do you really want put all your time (& friends, guildmates) into getting this "epic", or would you rather raid until you get something better? Or even funnier, you could just sell all your old gear that you've replaced and buy better in the bazaar.
All I have to say is I definitely respect a person that I see wielding this, because they definitely proved their dedication.
60 Grave Lord
Prexus
Vinaelil, level 25 Dark Elf Warrior
Officer of the Rune of Flames guild on the Veeshan Server
I don't want ANY of what you've been smoking amigo, a LOT of weapons are awesome ONLY because of their stats! would you pass up a weapon, let's say (I'm making this up here), "Gnomish Toothpick, 1 Damage 2 Delay, 200 AC +50 all stats +100 resists +300 HP/Mana"? NOPE! Without the stats the weap is crap, who would want to hit for like 3 damage? I guess if you had like max STR and such you COULD be powerful with this, but it isn't all about the ratio on weapons, the stats are a big part in what a weapon is.
First off, the act of TOTAL random kindness bestowed upon me (up of the blue, without any asking whatsoever), was a defining moment for me not only in EQ, but also in the goodness that lays in some people out there. Kind of fitting that it was a paladin, huh?
Secondly, I completely agree with paladins who feel that they were jipped on their epic. There is an old humor post on the mage boards about the history of norrath that has a funny section on this topic. In a nutshell, the poster basically said (and I am paraphrasing); "After kunark came out, paladins were more then a little upset that their epic, involving dragonslaying and coutless hours of camps and drops, was easliy put to shame by the common yard-trash a warrior could get in 3 hours in KC."
I've been a monk for a LONG time now, was a warrior before that, and have dabbled in mages, beastlords, and necros here and there. Paladins have long been a VERY neglected class. I guess what I am trying to say here is 2-fold.
1. As stated on the pally board, whoever that pally is (no, he disappeared even before I got his name), I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
2. Despite what pallys might think and feel, MOST of the non-pallys out there REALLY feel for you guys, and completely agree that you are a misused, underappreciated class.
Thanks all,
Sssin Sssational Nobelina
49th lvl Iksar Monk 10th lvl lucky Pally
Well of Souls Unguilded
Officer
Edited, Sun Jul 28 05:33:35 2002
Fiery: Damage Dealing
Defender: Damage Taking
I cannot think of a better name for this epic, as it embodies the main role of the paladin.
Paladin of Firiona Vie
Damn hobbits
That's what would make me happy. As far the weapon itself goes...IT ROCKS! No doubt about it. There's some better weapons out there but they are basically post-epic weapons. I will use this until I reach level 60...at least in some circumstances. It's hard to beat those saves!
Kneesmasher Ayebulger
Dwarven Cavalier
Torvonnilous Server
"Never Mistake Kindness for Weakness"
Dwarven Knight
Torvonnilous Server
"Never Mistake Kindness for Weakness"
You have a 2HS weapon with bash capability, 15AC. Thats nice.. no doubt about that. But what about a 1HS weapon engulffed in fire (unique hilt, etc) and a magnificant looking Tower Shield entricatly(sp) carved and designed. Paladins are not (and you may argue this) 2HS users. They rely on their shield for protection. Paladins (and this is my opinion) are 1HS/1HB and Shield users. I believe a Paladin's epic would be much more satisfying if the end result was 'epic'.
Just my two cents tho
Tuben Justicebringer
52 Paladin <<Leaders of Justice>>
WAR/PAL/SHD BEAT IT. Dont think so. Theres always something bigger and better. The EPIC is a braggin right not a necessity.
KALAGULUS
54th season
"To Defy me is to die a miserable and meaningless death."
Avethar
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=159104
Monk of Bertoxxulous
I thought this for quite a while... first off... If i ever see a Paladin using a blunt weapon, im gonna have to smack him around and... i dunno what ill do... So they are stuck with using Slash. Now lets look into this Slashing. First lets look at the Competaters, Warriors, Rogues, Rangers, SKs... what do 3 out of 4 have that we dont, Dual Wield, in fact Rangers dont get double attack so it is imperitive they use 2 weapons, Rogues ALWAYS use 2 weapons b/c... i dunno they jsut do. Basically there is Warrior left, and most of the time they use 2h b/c it adds another set of Damage... Now lets look at Prices, that go along with the Competators, everybody wants 1hs... that is why a 24/39 2hs Costs 400 (BABS), while a 10/22 1hs costs 1.5k(Basically anything u can find that has these stats, Example-Velium Warswords...
Now to the Appearance, I agree in style, and that is my main concern... This sword grabs attension like nobodys buiesness, you might as well keep a cloak of invisiblity with you if you wont wanna be famous... Everywhere u go flocks of people swarm ya like little... swarmlings or something... The hilt on this is a Unique one shared with only a few awsome swords, and I think you may be mistaking this for Soulfire, which has a blade, but this has no blade at all (unless you look real hard u can find a little line thing where the fires originate but its not really suppost to be there.... Sheilds, almost all of them Excluding a few new ones and a few epics look GAY... All the ones with skull look horrid, the basic ones look gay, only ones I think are Ok are the Wooden Kite Sheild and Velium looks, everything else is too boring, too bugged, or too Baroque for its own good...
Heres the part where i contradict myself... What Weapon is 40 times ezer to get than this... 1hs that are Pal only or Pal/Sk Only... start out with a Crystalized Blade, 13/31, nice, 50 pp and u can get lucky and pick em up for like 30 from friendly people getting rid of em... Than Comes Ghoulbane, which u can do the quest at 18, cuz I did it, you just gotta get people to help you, than comes A whole assortment of stuff until you get to your plains, which are 1hs Blade of the Ocean and Blade of Light, each 20/26 with nice attributes... and Finally you can move on to Maybe Blade of the Dawn or something like that (which is basically an upgraded Ghoulbane hehe)The whole time, though you can be getting better 2hs for cheaper cuz nobody wants em and not have to worry about a Sheild... There are only a few sheilds worthy of a spot on here anyways, Loz Shell, Few NDs from Veeshan, and a few new NDs from Luclin. Basically all you loose is bash which is fun but id rather stick with 2h.
That is just my 2cp, well more like 4pp, 3gp, 2sp, 7cp
Nah, I don't think you will smack that pally around =)
I think this pally blunt wep says it all =/
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=17345
;-)
65 Ranger of Tunare
Fennin Ro
22 Ranger on Befallen EQ2
Trem
41 Ranger
Torvo
Edited, Thu Feb 28 21:08:26 2002
So yeah... as a pally I am using 2hs because the epic is sweet even after the release of luclin. Even if there is better, I can guarentee, they aren't easier to get. Fiery Defender is tight and besides, in regard to AA... that is a lvl 59 AA... good luck.
By Far The Worst Paladin In EverQuest
Looks like a Throneblade of the Ykesha with flames on it
39 Wood Elf Rogue
Ring of Dragons-The Rathe
Firey Defender looks SOOOO different that.
Earman Wax 52 Cavalier
"All they wanted was a hero, All I needed was a friend"
Just to make the point that each class has an Epic good for that class, but not any other.
And as for how hard any class's epic is? Who cares? And if anyone thinks that getting Primal is easier, YOU try killing the dragons that drop parts of the key, over and over for your whole guild. Easier to get an Epic, certainly.
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