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MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE PLACEABLE
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 2H Slashing Atk Delay: 40
DMG: 35 Dmg Bonus: 103 AC: 15
This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
STR: +20 STA: +10 WIS: +15 HP: +70 MANA: +30
SV FIRE: +10 SV DISEASE: +10 SV COLD: +10 SV MAGIC: +10 SV POISON: +10
Effect: Holy Shock (Combat, Casting Time: Instant) at Level 50
WT: 0.1 Size: LARGE
Class: PAL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)
Item Type:2H Slashing
Light:Tiny Glowing Skull
Stackable:No
Lucy Entry By:Kheldar
Updated By:Yeowow
Source:Live
Updated:Sun Mar 17th, 2013
Ruins of Kunark Required: Yes


Rarity: Very Rare
Level to Attain: 50

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aug?
# May 04 2008 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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haven't gotten the FD yet, but I was wondering what type of aug I should put in this marvelous blade. I'm trying to steer clear of LDoN augs, or the merchant-bought augs, nothing fancy. Couple of droppable augs I found
Tersmochin Heartwood (I'll need some serious help getting this, I know)
Orb of Stinging Fury
Lifetap augs from DoN
Hate augs (Deep Crust Fire Geode)

Any suggestions?
aug?
# Jul 09 2008 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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The blackened Lava Rock is EXTREMELY rare... found 1 in about a million mobs killed in Skyfire (no joke, I've helped 4 clerics get their 4 pearlescent shards... and 1 drop?!? gimme a break) and it also gets resisted most of the time. I will try to go for the Rage Moss, or maybe Tersmochin... I like lifetaps =P thanks for that, didnt know Rage Moss existed
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# May 19 2008 at 3:54 AM Rating: Decent
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lol missed one:

Rage Moss. Drops from a lvl 72 mob. Can be one grouped.
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# May 19 2008 at 3:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Also Blackened Lava Rock.
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Book of Scale
# Jun 01 2005 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm having trouble catching the dragons up to get the Book of Scale, been trying for about 1 1/2 years now, so I'm resorting to buying a Book. If you have one or know someone who does, send in game email to Rdbanker.

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RE: Book of Scale
# Aug 10 2005 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Paying well for help..one on one help in GAME..plz respond..Need this for brother...hes serving his country...WOuld like to surprise him.
RE: Book of Scale
# Jun 01 2005 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Forgot to mention I'm on Prexus (Terris-Thule) server...
Lucan
# Feb 28 2005 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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just a tid bit
to kill Sir Lucan De`Lere.. ya only need
1) a lvl 60+ pally
2) under lvl 60 pally with a healer
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3) a small group of 50's ( 1 group )

you DONT need to pull him to zone an
an have a NON KOS person hail him..

YOU can pull him solo ( to the NFP zone line )

where <insert 1,2,or 3>.. will be waiting
TO KILL..
very easy to do..

IF YOU ever need him killed.
call on me "i like it"

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Happy Hunting
FD
# Feb 01 2005 at 8:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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First froggie Lightbearer on Stromm :)

Got this lil' beaut after about a year of relatively active gaming on char. Thought I'd add a few notes for others who are still seeking their 1.0.

1. Ghoulbane: Cake quest. do it in yer mid 20's, should take a few days.

2. Soulfire:
A. Faction is the worst part, take yer 4000gp or so, donate it 2gp at a time in Qeynos for consistent fac over a few hrs time to Warmly.

B. Xicotl. Now in the Faydark, since the MM revamp, duo'd him in 50's. If doing SF in 30s or 40s bring help fer him.

C. Sir Lucan. Bring help unless in 60s+. Pull to EC ZL, zone. Friends (non-KoS) hail him and key you in when other guards gone. Commence the beatdown. The quest portions are cake, look up the rest on the SF item posts.

3. Fiery Avenger:
A. Books books books. THIS is the true bottleneck of 1.0 fer pallies. If yer havin trouble gettin books, thank the dragon farmers. Either get yourself a high level ranger buddy who can search the respective zones fer dragons DAILY fer a week or so; OR make a ranger alt of yer own if ye dont have any ranger buddies. find the spawn date, will most likely be the kill date also :) Track it, call guild, commence the beatdown (tank them lower than yer 50s and ye'll not live long to regret it :P).
B. If the ranger track method doesn't appeal to ye, keep 75-100k on yer trader mule at all times and pray fer Book of Scale to show up in baz. just FYI: the book DID NOT APPEAR in /baz search window as of July/Aug or 2004.* I was perusing for a Runed Bolster Belt and found a mule selling 3 or 4 of em (GREAT indicator of a dragon farmer). Went to purchase, and looked thru inventory, sure enough, this guy had the book. Only wanted 10k fer it (quite a steal imho), so i bought it. I double checked the /baz search window just in case i missed somethin, but no, the book merely DID NOT APPEAR in search even though i was staring at it in the guy's inventory for sale.

*edit- it shows in bazaar now, as of September 05. Saw one the other day on mule.

C. Miragul: 7 day spawn, bring a necro (to charm lich for hand in) and group of buddies in 50s, 60s to burn his **** to the ground. Loot head and robe.

D. Deepwater faction: get an evil Erudite to let you into Paineel and then you can begin the slaughter his evil brethren :) can be solo'd in low 60s, but bring goodie race/class friends if need groupage ie: <lv60. spend an hour or two slaughtering green-blue NPCs and guards. DO NOT go near the GMs or wander far from the ZL heh. Faction can be done in no time flat.

E. Inte Akera for turn in: Get a necro who's keyed thru Isle 4 (and cleric also keyed to 4, if desiered 96% rezzes), as well as a wizzy to port. Wizzy ports ye up, you attack any NPC and die. Cleric rezzes, Necro runs to Isle 4 and summons corpse then necro rez (or cleric rez again) once there. Wizzy waits on Isle one to spawn Dason and then Inte. Wizzy gives the 500pp once you're on 4 near spawn point. Give him the GB, SF, then return the blessings, and head/robe for FA.

4. Fiery Defender: Ok once ye have the FA (or before ye get it if wanna be pre-emptive heh), all 3 Tainted Darksteel items can be got in one session (few RL hrs time). I know because I killed all three named fer the three drops AND did the final turn-in to Irak in PoF in the same day :) Try this order and method, it worked fer me. Keep busy until the next real Patch day. Log-in Immediately after patch, then follow this path:

A. Kirak Vil in Nektulos Forest- easy to find, one group of 60s will destroy this peon. Don't bother trying to solo regen too fast fer pally DPS in 50s, low 60s. Kill/ Loot Shield. (5 min tops to kill this sucker once all zone in).

B. Thought Destroyer in Hate. Buy the port stones (52pp ea) in cleric guild Neriak 3rd Gate. can be solo'd in 60's but recommend at least a healer to be on safe side. Head to /loc -150 -600, the mob is in a corner between some building-structures. Destroy and loot BP. (Should take you no more than 10-15 min to find and kill once in zone).

C. Keeper of the Tombs. Print a map. Bring a strong group high 50s- low 60s, with Cleric, Chanter, and Druid for track/port home. Work your way down clearing everything that comes at you. Push toward -300, +275 or so. Track from there if needs. The drop A Sacred Key shold have dropped off mobs enroute, if not, ye can bard/rogue picklock to get into his room, and/or use wolfform to poke your nose in and target for taunt, stun, nuke whatever to pull him out. (This camp will be the most time consuming of the 3, give it an hour or two, assuming no wipe). Kill, making sure not to push mob thru the door, so you can still loot. Loot up gate/port out for fastest exit.

*edit -fastest I ever did keeper was about 45 of crawling with clr + mag trio, clearing everything from the undead portion on.

D. Irak Altil. This one will be tough. No way around it. I was fortunate enough to have zoned in after someone had cleared the majority of mobs in zone. Irak was still up, hanging out at his favorite Belltower. Best advice, DONT GO ALONE. BRING INSTA-GATE potions "Vial of Swirling Smoke", one for each char in zone.* Bring at least a high level tracker class (I brought a druid), to have them kite mobs toward Irak. Have them then break away from him once you can see him, so you can do turn-ins while the mobs aggro kiter. Both insta-gate home afterward for the win :)

*edit- DoN summoning here now. Don't /fear Fear :)

That's all i got. Hope it helps. Good luck and never give up! Your very own epic 1.0's still out there waitin on ye :)

Edited, Wed Sep 14 10:46:20 2005
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#Sir Lamini, Posted: Mar 03 2005 at 11:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) FD is so outdated
RE: FD
# May 04 2005 at 6:55 AM Rating: Default
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just go to Plane of storms, kill named Lord at forest (1 group Time+ geared or 2 groups elemental). Go to Plane of Torment, kill Kaniz, 1 group is overkill. Go to Plane of Hate with 2 groups (70's), take out innoruk. Done.


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RE: FD
# Mar 15 2005 at 2:03 AM Rating: Decent
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The hole in your plan is assuming everyone is Time and Ele geared...Some of us in small guilds without TONS of playtime don't often get into the plane of time or even the ele planes.

YES you can buy better weapons damage/delay wise.
NO you cannot BASH with them pre 59 and 20+ aa's.
NO they do not look nearly as cool as the epic.
FEW of them have such a good proc/proc rate.

My little group is about done with this for our pally. We're all 55 (getting all aa's before moving to 59) There is a PAL, MNK, RNG, SHM, CLE and we pick up random LFG people to fill the 6th spot. CLE is one kill from epic, SHM (me) is only two, RNG is two, MNK is one and pally has just completed his FA.

You don't have to raid every single night to have fun. You don't have to take crap from people who play while you're at work who say your items are gimp. At least you're not getting money from your mom to buy expansions and using her cerdit card each month to play EQ.

You're goals are yours and yours alone. If you want to stay lvl 52 and hunt old dragons your whole life, that's great! If you want to kill a few lvl 53's and get the old school epic, go for it! I wish you the best of luck =)

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If you share our goals (Epics, get all aa's when they become available, take time to enjoy the game) Give us a tell. We hit HS and Seb alot, and we're always up for epic fun.

Edited, Tue Mar 15 02:04:45 2005
Epics 3.0s
# Nov 20 2004 at 5:08 PM Rating: Default
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I think SOE should create an Epic 3.0 that is an Artifact(one per server) and only available as a random reward for completing Epic 2.0! Like,this could be Blazing Defender with higher stats,30 delay,40 damage,with a second proc for Undead Bane damage. Hehe I'm sure I'm the only one who thinks this way. :-) I just think SOE should integrate Artifacts into the game randomly to make the game more exciting. Knowing exactly what to do to get exactly what we know we'll get is a bit tedious. Of course Artifacts should be limited only to players 40+,but I think it would be great! :-)

Edited, Sat Nov 20 17:11:13 2004
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RE: Epics 3.0s
# Apr 18 2006 at 11:07 PM Rating: Good
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I definatley agree. A bit of epic GM events should spice up the game. But i think it should be avalable to all with 1st epic, otherwise too small of a crowd.
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The Quest
# Aug 13 2004 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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Detailed factual quest for the Pally Epic at mys site... enjoy!

http://www.bonzz.com/bonzz.htm

Edited, Jun 30th 2010 6:51pm by GOMN
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The Quest
# Dec 03 2006 at 2:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Site is always updated as much as possible? Not sure what you were reading there, LOL.

And ALL of it is absolutely Pally related. Progression is just as Pally related as epics, gear, etc.
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RE: The Quest
# Feb 18 2005 at 12:01 AM Rating: Decent
Need to verify some of the information as it is either outdated or just plain wrong. One example is the Holyforge Disc - lasts for 5 mins (not 2) and it works on all targets not just undead.

Just a thought. Saw the edit date was Nov 7, 2004 so it should be using the current ruleset.

Other than that, looks like a self-repository on how the game is played rather than mostly Paladin specific as most of the information is way to redundant on other sites.
RE: The Quest
# Oct 28 2004 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Ugh! Get rid of that music! Instant headache! And background - way too bright. /Nod.
RE: The Quest
# Nov 24 2004 at 1:53 PM Rating: Default
/agree Otherwise nice site
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#pongyongy, Posted: Jul 28 2004 at 9:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i got a class 4 aug that does 579 dmg plus with holy shock it does 726 dmg or somtin like that
#pongyongy, Posted: Jul 28 2004 at 9:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i added a class 11 auagament it had a proc for 828 dmg it was awsome
#pongyongy, Posted: Jul 28 2004 at 9:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) my bad 2nd one is correct
RE: awsome
# Sep 18 2004 at 8:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Where did you get that aug from? whats it called?
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RE: awsome
# Sep 23 2004 at 4:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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No aug exists with such a high proc, try not to feed the trolls.
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Remember?
# Jul 02 2004 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone remember the pally epic being nerfed? Used to be a 243 damage proc + stun, now it's nerfed to 155 with shorter duration stun (I think). Glad to know a melee epic would be nerfed when berserker's epic has over 100 hitpoints or cleric epic is still used daily. WTG SOE!
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RE: Remember?
# Jul 09 2004 at 8:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think they nerfed the sk epic also. I don't think its a 250hp lifetap proc anymore. Anyways, if SoE has nerfed these epics they should make them easier to get. Like I heard they increased the drop rate on some epic drops. Dunno what the reason was for the nerf on these obsoleat weapons. Maybe its cause of those lvl 65 people who are time/ep geared and are doing old epic mobs for thier twinks with one or two groups. Good job guys!
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# Jun 11 2004 at 10:46 AM Rating: Default
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I started this quest a LONG time ago. (3.5 years ago) Like every pally at lvl 15 or so, I loved my ghoulbane. The soulfire was good for a bit, once my 5 ch's were gone there were better weps starting to come out. Somehow I managed to stop using 2hs, and started using the 2hp'ers out there. I fell in love with the 2hp vs 2hs. Seem to miss less and hit for more with 2hp when compared to a 2hs with the same ratio. So I said ***** it, why get a 2hs like FD when at lvl 55 I could use narandi's lance which blows FD away? Then newer stuff came out, and still newer. Now stuff like Heavy Windriders Lance totally smokes the FD and makes me feel so glad I never bothered going any further then soulfire. Alot of people can relate to this im sure.... now, At lvl 65 I never would have imagined I'd be posting in a thread about the FD. But with the epic 2.0's coming out, and the assumption that origional epic will be a part of that quest, if yer a 65 pally who doesnt have the FD rotting in the bank, its going to suck bad 8(
If the new pally epic is anything close to the zerker epic it would be worth having IMO. I personally will be stuck waiting to find something better then my HWL with the next expansion. So if your still in your low 50's or below, watse the time to get this FD because as it turns out, it wont be such a waste afterall.

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# Jun 21 2004 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I won a HWL in BoT myself. And have better 2HS weaps than the FD.

I had decided to NOT do the epic after I got the Ghoulbane and Soulfire.

I was helping a guildie in Hate. Lo and behold, the BP drops. So, a guildie needs an epic drop in the Hole. Keeper dies, have sword.

About 2 weeks later, the same guildie send me a tell. Someone dropped Sev and the torn burnt book is still on the corpse.

With all that dropped in my lap, I changed my mind. Killed Kirak Vil. Got shield.

Now all I need is to catch Gore and kill Miragul. My guild is working Sky right now, and we're all keyed to the 4th isle. Turn in will be cake.

The moral of the story would be while you may not intend to do your epic, hang onto what you already have. You never know when the right things will happen at the right time.

And like you, I hope the Pally Epic V2.0 is truly an EPIC weapon. Ours is the oldest and most outdated epic there is. We're due :)
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Epic Obtained - Sticktoitiveness wins out
# May 01 2004 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
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After 2 years of hard work, and a lot of patience, I completed this quest. Although I mainly use a WMBS as my weapon, which is overall a much better and faster damage dealer, I completed this quest to be able to finish what I started. It is always easy to just give up when it is so much easier to get something better (and I HAVE better weapons overall), but knowing that I finished what I started out to do is what makes this a very satisfying completion.

Many will want to remind me about the better equipment out there, and I KNOW it is there - I AM actively trying to get it. I just want to know that I am not someone who starts and gives up. It is MY want, MY desire, MY goals that drove me to complete this. No one can take this away from me. I finished what I started.

What is great about this though, is the number of people who want to actually see the weapon. They want me to show it off. This makes the end result all the more satisfying, in that others can share in my joy and sense of accomplishment.

So, to you who think this is a waste of time - do what you will. Setting a goal and finishing it - despite what other people think, is a reward in and of itself.

For all you Brother Paladins out there working this - stick with it friends - in the end - it is YOUR satisfaction that matters.

Rumblebore Adamant, 62 Paladin, Innoruuk Server.

Edited, Sat May 1 16:40:17 2004
RE: Epic Obtained - Sticktoitiveness wins out
# May 06 2004 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
While I may agree that there are better weapons out there, I don't think that the WMBS is one of them. When you take the fact that our epic has a virtualy unretesistable proc and an innate ability to bash, I don't think that one would realy out parse the other as far as overall DPS goes (assuming you haven't put AA points in the 2hand bash ability). But, aside from the damage, the epic has 2 added chances to interupt casting that the WMBS doesn't. So, between the two, I would still consider the epic to be a better weapon.
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RE: Epic Obtained - Sticktoitiveness wins out
# Apr 07 2008 at 6:26 PM Rating: Decent
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really? i didnt know the pally epic 1.0 has an innate 2Hbash ability.... extra incentive for me =) my pally is only level 28 right now, but I'm working on it... and hoping that I won't have to resort to buying the books / MQ.
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Edited, Sat May 1 16:39:39 2004
RE: Paladins
# Apr 13 2004 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
but surely there are better two handed weps out there, that are easier to get, dosent this compensate for the fiery coolness of it?
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any lvl?
# Jan 27 2004 at 12:12 AM Rating: Decent
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can this HOLY SHOCK effect affect everyone who has not enough MR? and what does the -100 MR mean? does it mean that your MR has to be 100+ to have chances to resist this effect?
RE: any lvl?
# Feb 15 2004 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
It means when the proc goes off... the mob who is doing the resisting will have their MR reduced by 100 when calculating whether or not they get stunned. (It's good.)
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Really just for status, but even so...
# Jan 07 2004 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmm, I know epics are really just for the feel good factor of having done it, but its a shame FD is poor compared to many weapons out there, especially as many other class epics are good or at least always useful (clerics free rez, druid free dot).
Also, i may be wrong, but to get pally epic dont you hav to stay below lvl 53? i mean thatis unfair as other classes dont have a lvl limit to get theirs, having the limit just causes alot of uneccessary aggrivation, having to wait around forever at 52 as all your friends go up in lvls, and consifdering how slow the spawn is and how many pallies are around, you are stuck at 52 for a very long time.
As a high elf i went for Natures Defender anyway because i prefer it, i think due to the 45 AC it has it is a better weapon, at least for me it is anyway.
Its just a shame they made FD such a pain to get for such a little reward
RE: Really just for status, but even so...
# Mar 21 2004 at 11:19 AM Rating: Default
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It is indeed a shame.
As a 65 Paladin (Not elemental but shhhhhhh) I would consider using the Zerker Epic in everyday combat. The Paladin Epic is really bad other then the hidden ATK bonus...

With the new Zerker epic being so much better, I think they ought to upgrade the Pally/SK Epic.
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RE: Really just for status, but even so...
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No Asteldian, you don't have to stay below 53 to do the epic/epics. Your first shot to get the parts needed for Fiery Avenger are with Naggy and Vox, and you have to be 52 or lower for them, but there are many other dragons who drop these items as well...so feel free to level to whatever you want. There will always be a dragon there for you to pick on, who will possibly drop the books. Good luck.
RE: Really just for status, but even so...
# May 03 2004 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
You do not HAVE to stay below 52 but I would. My pally is 62 now and I have both soulfire and ghoulbane and decided to finish out the epic, the only problem is I can't get the books on the nagg/vox raids and all the other dragons that drop the books are timed by people who 2 box them as soon as they pop. So basicaly I am screwed unless I get on as soon a the server comes up from a patch and someone comes to take them down or enough of my guild mates get on. Hope this helps and you don't get stuck like I am.
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RE: Really just for status, but even so...
# Jan 28 2004 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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basically, you can complete the epics at lvl 46 (49?) when you can enter the planes you need to travel to to complete the epics, or it can be MQed (but i dun think the hand-ins will work with MQ )
Which Augment?
# Oct 06 2003 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
So, what would be a good augment for this weapon? I have one, LOVE IT, and would like to know what augmentation would prove best for it. Any info is appreciated. I have yet to see a definitive list of all available augments.
RE: Which Augment?
# Jan 09 2004 at 5:56 PM Rating: Default
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760 EF - Radiant Permafrost - 150 Cold Based DD

1150 BB - Black Diamond of Regeneration - 75 Diseased Based LifeTap

1150 NRo - Sparkling Emerald of Protection - Spell Guard III (5% Melee Damage Absorb until the shield takes over 300 Melee Damage)

These are all Equal in effectiveness in my opinion. Frankly it'd be great to just take the 150DD since its cold based and will add more diversity to your Magic Based.

The lifetap is great and adds some nicer agro but is kinda expensive.

Guard is very nice for tankage but again is expensive... and on real high end mobs I dunno how valuable it is, but it definatly has its perks.

Choose whichever fits you, but these are your best bets that you can actually count on getting.
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RE: Which Augment?
# Feb 05 2004 at 1:28 PM Rating: Default
I don't know if there is an augment that would make this weapon not suck. I'm a 65 pally and will get this for because i've always wanted it, but it will never get used. If you have the means to earn this weapon, you have the means to obtain better. In my opion its one of the best looking weps out there, but go to BoT and raid the towers if possible and pick up the weps from Chaoswind, you'll be happier.

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RE: Which Augment?
# Jan 30 2004 at 4:37 AM Rating: Decent
Why in Quellious's name would you drop a proc augment on a weapon that already has a proc? Ever tried using your spell procs with weapons that already proc? It doesn't increase the frequency of proc...just randoms which proc it uses. Putting another proc on the Fiery Defender is not only a waste of the slot but a complete waste of AP.

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RE: Which Augment?
# Mar 05 2004 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
Untrue

The way multiple procs work, is with each swing, a roll is thrown for each proc. However, only one proc can activate per swing. So, you will never have more than one proc per swing, but you have a greater chance for a proc going off per swing. So, as a pally, if you have a spell proc, your fiery defender, and a nice DD aug in it, You have a 3 times greater chance of your weapon procing per swing.
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# Mar 13 2004 at 9:49 PM Rating: Default
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actually... I've had both an innate proc of a weapon AND a spell proc go off at the same time.
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# Mar 21 2004 at 11:14 AM Rating: Default
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Aye I've had 2 procs on a swing, the Lifetap on the weapon and the proc from Pious Might. Ive never had the two procs on the weapon go off, at least I don't think (I might have and not noticed.)

Whatever the case, adding procs onto the weapon most definatly adds to the proc rate, with 4 Procs (2 on the weapon, Pious Might, NDT) I proc a ton! It might not be 4 times as much as normal, but its definatly more.
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RE: Which Augment?
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Have had 3 procs on a swing as a SK, the AA innate proc, the weapon proc, and my combat innate proc all at once, dont see it often but still possible =)
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RE: Which Augment?
# Jan 09 2004 at 5:56 PM Rating: Default
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760 EF - Radiant Permafrost - 150 Cold Based DD

1150 BB - Black Diamond of Regeneration - 75 Diseased Based LifeTap

1150 NRo - Sparkling Emerald of Protection - Spell Guard III (5% Melee Damage Absorb until the shield takes over 300 Melee Damage)

These are all Equal in effectiveness in my opinion. Frankly it'd be great to just take the 150DD since its cold based and will add more diversity to your Magic Based.

The lifetap is great and adds some nicer agro but is kinda expensive.

Guard is very nice for tankage but again is expensive... and on real high end mobs I dunno how valuable it is, but it definatly has its perks.

Choose whichever fits you, but these are your best bets that you can actually count on getting.
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# Sep 10 2003 at 1:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Just an FYI.
This sword has "Slot 1: Type 4", Not type 1.
I didn't take a pic of it to send in for the update, but I'm sure it'll be changed soon enough.
bit off topic
# Aug 22 2003 at 4:40 PM Rating: Default
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You know, it's really great to see all these people here discussing about the different aspects of paladins. PvP, comparison to other classes, a bit of strategy for playing, all great. However, this isn't really the Paladin Class Discussion area. This is the forum for the Fiery Defender. Talk about the sword, how you finished the epic, useful points for people just starting out on the epic to remember, things about the sword that makes is special, etc. I know this post is really late considering the dates on which all the others talking about the other things are, but still, maybe someone will read this and understand that if you really want to argue over a class, do it in the appropriate area. Or i'll get an ogre to sit on you.
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#DustinP, Posted: Aug 08 2003 at 9:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I CAME HERE TO LEARN HOW TO DO MY EPIC NOT READ ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK ALL THIS BS. NOW WOULD SOMEONE POST HOW TO DO IT?
RE: would ya stfu
# Aug 17 2003 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Info on Fiery Defender Epic Quest.

There are three quests that must be done before the Fiery Defender quest. These quests are Ghoulbane, Soulfire, and the Fiery Avenger quest.

Tip for Fiery Avenger:
When you have all the items to hand into Inte Akera in Plane of Sky...make sure you hand him Ghoulbane... then Soulfire. You will receive two blessings for giving him the two swords. Give him back those blessings and the Head and Robe of Miragul to receive Fiery Avenger. I did not understand this hand in policy and had to petition to get items back. MAKE SURE you have warmly faction with Deepwater Knights in Erudin as well, VERY IMPORTANT!!

Once you have Fiery Avenger, it is time to get the Defender. I am currently a few steps away. I have received the breastplate from Hate and have gotten the gem, Reklon Gallen combined them nad gave me the Gleaming Breastplate. I have received the sheild from Kirak Vil in Nek Forest and Elia the Pure in Felwithe has blessed it for me. I only need the sword from the Hole to get the Mark of Atonement from Reklon Gnallen. Then I will be off to the Plane of Fear to clear the zone, charm Irak and hand him the Mark and Fiery Avenger. Then the epic is mine!

Info: Breastplate is a rare spawn, however I was lucky to get it on my first time to Hate. Keep lookin for those thought corrupters.

The Keeper of Tombs in the Hole must be a 7 day spawn since I have ventured there twice and he has not been up. You CANNOT track him so if anyone finds a great way to find out if he's up, please post it.

If you have any further questions, please post and I will try to help. Good luck to you all!

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RE: would ya stfu
# Feb 12 2004 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
I'm not sure why you had to petition to get your hand-ins back. If at first you hand Inte all four items, just hand him the two blessings. He still has the head and robe; he doesn't eat them.

And yes, the Keeper of Tombs can be tracked.

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Finding the Keeper
# Dec 10 2003 at 1:20 AM Rating: Decent
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dkspanky - Who lied to you when they told you he cannot be tracked?

I was on a raid to get our chanter the Kindle drop and I asked our tracker what named were up in this area. when he said the Keeper of the Tombs I about split my pants. Not only did we get our chanter her drop but also mine!

The keeper is now in the building with the Ghost of kindle on the outside, the one in the farthest south location.

If you use the EQAtlas map, and look at where 11 is, which is an underground tunnel and chamber with mimics in it, the courtyard ABOVE that (in the zone - you have to get to this place from the West) is where Kindle is. The chamber SOUTH of that contains the Keeper. There is another square chamber on that map that is south of the Keepers chamber fed by 2 tunnels running N-S and with side corridors switching back and forth to take you upstairs to another chamber. So he is essentially in the middle of those chamber areas. At least that is where we found him.

He has a couple of spooks with him, but Paci Pulling was easy.

Good Hunting all.
RE: would ya stfu
# Aug 20 2003 at 3:09 AM Rating: Default
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Make a lvl 1 halfling rogue of Brell and send him into the Hole. Once you have hide and sneak up the mobs won't see you, even if they con kos. There's a little spot outside the outer wall of the undead tower, that looks down on the Master Yael spawn area, where no mobs go.

Once you crawl him down there, you can log in whenever you want, hide and sneak, and go check for the Keeper whenever you feel like it.

I've got little Holosploro camped out there on Tarew Marr waiting patiently for the day the Keeper of the Tombs is up.

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No longer works perfectly
# Sep 10 2003 at 2:42 AM Rating: Default
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Note that with the recent revamp of the Hole, the Brell halfling rogue trick is no longer 100% safe -- there are some mobs there that will still see you and kill you. Be careful as you scout, and try to get your halfling bound in Paineel by the entrance to the Hole to reduce the time to run back.
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RE: No longer works perfectly
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Yep; the new gargoyles at certain places prevent a lowbie rogue from getting to certain places in the Hole, namely anywhere beyond the broken gate/tunnel and past the boulder door at the bottom of the pit. Because of the revamp it is no longer possible to verify if the epic ghosts are up.

Hide/sneak still works well; the only kos mobs that see through it are the ratman inhabitants, chests and the gargoyles, and only at the above mentioned places do the gargoyles aggro (they don't seem to aggro from the rooftops when you go underneath). The ghosts (also kos) do NOT see through hide/sneak. All other mobs should be dubious and you can roam pretty freely.

Best way for anyone to survive a drop into the Hole is /q right before you hit the bottom. If done properly, when you come back in you continue to fall the remaining distance and can get away with taking very little damage.

RE: would ya stfu
# Aug 17 2003 at 5:28 AM Rating: Default
U click the blue words thats says The Fiery Defender (Paladin Epic) and try reading that
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any other gnomes out there with this??
# Jul 28 2003 at 3:04 AM Rating: Default
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Just wanted to say i got this on my lvl 51 gnome pally bout 1 week ago was wonderin if i was first gnome pally with epic or not
why...
# Jun 23 2003 at 10:45 PM Rating: Good
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Why the **** are non-paladins, people who think our epic sucks,.. and all the rest of you who whine about which class is better than the other...
GET YOU OWN PAGE AND WHINE THERE!
there are some of us who like to actually read the posts for valuble information on spawn times, locations and hints/tips on strategies..

I play a paladin loudly and proudly, i do my best to add flavour and character to every guild and group i am in. I know it's how you play a character, NOT what his stats are, NOT what race/class is, NOT what gear you have..

Play a table-top rpg for a while, and learn the value of teamwork and roleplaying and see what the rest of us are trying to accomplish.
RE: why...
# Jun 27 2003 at 7:32 PM Rating: Default
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me thinks you've done too much of both types of
w(h)ining in your lifetime pal
#SphiriahSphinx, Posted: May 21 2003 at 6:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Heyas all ... I just completed my epic at level 49. I am the very first Froglok Paladin to do it! just wanted to tell you all how i did it:
#SphiriahSphinx, Posted: Jun 20 2003 at 5:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ok first of all i could care less what you 'think' i wrote this to help others because it was alittle sketchy so dont go saying all this when your not even high enough to even do an epic.
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# Jun 12 2003 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
You should change the beginning of this from "I just completed..." to "I just bought my epic" and this is how I did it.

IMHO epics should be no drop and all components should be non-MQ'able. Otherwise they are not truly "epic" are they?
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#BlackReaver, Posted: Sep 17 2003 at 10:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hey now, anyone who gets their epic earned it in their own way! How do you think he got people to MQ it? Probably by friends that he MADE while PLAYING this GAME called EverQuest! If you dont recall, the most important thing to do is to have fun, he got his MQ by having fun with other people, therefore earning it. He got his 30k book because he earned his belt that he sold, so therefore, he earned all of it, dont speak if you think you're better than him because you dont have people to help you along the way
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# Jun 14 2003 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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You're not the first, your just the first to powerlevel, buy the items, and say you went though the trouble. The reward dosn't count if you didn't do the effort.
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# Apr 19 2003 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Irak doesn't talk when you hail him. You just turn the pieces in.

Be careful though, I watched another NPC hunt him down and kill him the other night.
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# Apr 13 2003 at 10:41 PM Rating: Decent
I just turned in all the pieces to get the Mark of Atonement (sp?) so all I have to do now is turn it in. At level 55 I think this weapon will be decent, but I have spent over a year and a half pursueing this darn thing. Good luck to you all.. once you get past the FA it is a piece of cake!

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The Fiery Avenger
# Mar 03 2003 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I got this thing a while ago ( lvl 60 ) and it seems that it is fairly decent, has a nice proc to boot. I found that this quest was much easier to do then the one before it ( Fiery Avenger ) The only thing that may be a little tough is the Breastplate in PoH. Good luck to all of you young Cavalier's who are hoping to get this sword by lvl 55. I sure know I didn't. Well anyway, just wanted to say that this sword is not the best but can be very helpful.
Deepwater faction
# Feb 10 2003 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent
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I was very concerned about the time sink I was in for trying to get this faction up. Fortunately I stumbled on a bit of information that made my life easy: kill Elial Brook.

This guy is a heretic who spawns every 6 minutes next to the dock in Toxx forest. I killed him 20 times and turned in his bones (one at a time) to a guy in the Erudin Palace (can't remember his name but a bestiary search for Elial Brook will sort you out) and I had amiable faction.

Took about two hours, practiced swimming and sense heading between pops, and I am good to go for my epic.

This worked for me having never killed a single mob that ever raised Deepwater faction.

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#jakabka, Posted: Jan 12 2003 at 11:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i cant wait till i can start my epic i want that sword so fricken bad ahh i love it omg i want it so bad it procs 155 at lvl 1 hoyl crap that is out ragius man but no one will ever get it at lvl 1 its impossible. i want it so bad right now i have the darkedged 2 hander its good but nothing compared to this epic pices
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# Dec 15 2002 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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the proc hits for 155 at lvl 1. does anyone know if it gets higher as you get to a higher lvl.
RE: holy shock
# Feb 07 2003 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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Not even the most uber guild in the game can get any low lvl paladin there epic lower that 46, since the final hand in's for FA AND FD and in the plane of Sky and Plane of Fear.

Also think theres a level limit on NPC's talking to you for other epic's.
RE: holy shock
# Dec 17 2002 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
hehehe..for starters, NO WAY does a level 1 ever get this weapon! Just the turn in points for each step of the questing would make a level 1 a level 30 by the end without killing a single MOB! I got two blues at level 52 for the final turn in in the Plane of Fear! More quests should be like that and that one should have even better reward in terms of experience. That is another matter though!

In any event, no, level does not affect the dmg from the proc in this case, nor in any other cases I can think of offhand...perhaps some procs do...
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# May 04 2003 at 10:50 PM Rating: Default
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For the most parts, procs do not grow in the amount of dmg or affect they do because the level at which you get the proc exceeds the level in which the spell's effects are enhanced by level usually, if anybody understands that. For instance: Wakizashi of the Frozen Skies is a simple process that starts working at level 20. The problem is, this is a level 14 Shaman DD. The damage of this spells is "Decrease Hitpoints by 74 (L14) to 81 (L21)." Therefor there is only one level of damage increase, however a level 20 procing this does do 80 damage, and a 21 does 81.
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Soooo close...
# Dec 06 2002 at 2:47 AM Rating: Excellent
DONE.

Few notes that may have been lost...

Must...be...in...raid...group/guild.

Books are MQ if you need to, the Book of Scale is droppable! (save yer shineys perhaps...)

Faction with DW Knights is a PAIN in the **** time sink for non-Erudite types. Trust me on this one. NEVER do anything to jeopardize it unless you enjoy the running and clicking game.

Miragul IS a pushover for a raid type group. 3 solid groups and he fell like a drunk date...Of course average level was 57 or so I think according to the "raid-o-meter".

The things you do to get the Mark of Atonement are easy compared to getting the Books in my opinion. This is because the books don't always drop. I wouldn't call them very rare based on my experience, but they are certainly not a sure thing either. However and once again: MUST be in raid group/guild. How else you gonna get to second floor of hate, the deepest bowels of the hole?

Most of all, it's an involvement of time. That is, in my opinion, why the epic has such a significance amongst fellow EQ players. It's a serious commitment to horribly meaningless little tasks (questing for another Ghoulbane after I traded mine LONG ago never thinking I would see my epic EVER)! I never want to set foot in Najena or HHK again, ever.

So yes, OF COURSE, there are better weapons available, but this one is the mac-Weapon for paladins. No other was thought about and crafted with as much love and devotion by the folks at Verant.

The paladin epic, IN MY OPINION, set the standard for all epics. Remember when Soulfire was the super-most-duper sword in the whole of Norrath because it had flames?! I do...I remember the first time I laid eyes on a Soulfire and thought, "Some day".

Other classes used to raise all kinds of cries of favoritism and paladins had as much as a 30% experience penalty for this and many other reasons that are now completely moot! Now here I am with the Fiery Defender wondering...What now? Guess I should level or something huh?

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RE: Soooo close...
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Congrats Werty!

One comment though - if you spend some time in the Warrens slaughtering Kobolds you can get your Deepwater (and Heretic) faction to ally. Best thing to do of course is to spend a level in your teens in here getting exp at the same time....
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Just a note, the kobolds in the Warrens give positive Heretic and High Guard of Erudin faction. They do not give positive faction for Deepwater Knights.
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# Oct 28 2003 at 12:12 AM Rating: Decent
You're right; The kobold themselves don't give Deepwater faction, but the kobold molars they drop sure do. It's an easy way to earn a little cash or even better equipment (ringmail). Just turn in the teeth to Tiam in the back of the first floor in the Deepwater guild.
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RE: Soooo close...
# Dec 13 2002 at 6:18 PM Rating: Decent
Thanks Zuga!

I wish I'd known about the warrens before! I collected about 100 zombie skins, god only KNOWS how many Pearls of Odus, similar nutty number of diseased shark runs...And keeling that no good Elial on the dock! ACK! It is tough when you are in the level range of the Warrens as a High Elf paly to consider running over there to make sure you have the faction later on for your epic! hehehehe...Besides, the warrens came out longggg after I was in that range.

Good luck to all!
Duels
# Dec 02 2002 at 12:01 AM Rating: Decent
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In my day on everquest i have done 17 duels, and i am proud to say my record is 17-0. I have dueled almost every class, and Paladins are practically unbeatable. With there chain stuns, blinds, mana seize, and LoH, you wont be able to move. Plus if you have a See Invisible item you can take shadow knights any day. Now back to the subject of the Fiery Defender. I am now using (at level 52) a new PoP weapon called the Windblade. It is 50/46 with a whole bunch of stats. Check the search. This may not be better than my epic, and i know that i will be getting my epic. Plus, a sword made of flames.... How cool is that?
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# Dec 13 2002 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Whoa, 17 duels??

Not to say that paladins are not tough in a fight, but to say that they are unbeatable after only 17 pvp fights is kinda jumping the gun a bit. I play (amoung others) a lvl 17 druid on VZ whos record is currently 24-2-8. I have several other characters (some higher level) who may or may not have better records proportionately, but I never really kept track.

When you are fighting a paladin, you just have to assume that he has LH available, and that you gonna pretty much have to kill him twice, which is usally not that much of a problem, owing to the paladin's (comparatively) low damage ouput. After that, its just a matter of high MR and staying mobile while limiting his mobility via snares, roots, poisons, magic devices, or whatever your particular class has at his disposal. Stuns are really nice too, as it is kinda hard to heal yourself when you are stunned.

Anyway, the point of that ramble was that there is no such thing as an unbeatable class, and that 17 fights, (admittedly impressive, considering no defeats) is not that many.

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# Dec 01 2002 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree on the point that even tho there are better weapons in Everquest to get, that it is still an option, and a good option, to go on and get your epic. For it not only looks kewl, it will help you in many ways. I have a 52 Paladin on the Terris-Thule server, and there is a gigantic guild called <Valon> and in about 3-6 weeks it will become a 65+ guild. They have raided almost everywhere, and having your epic when you wish to join an uber guild is a good idea. It is like have community service for college, epic = brownie points (hehe)
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*grins evilly at Kanadaa* Told you I'd duel you when I caught up to you, ne? Looks like I'm not so far away. J00 will die. muah ha.

Just playing with ya. Had to say something seeing you here. =P
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haeppwin
# Oct 28 2002 at 1:52 PM Rating: Default
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you make me laugh lol
obviously you never fought a high level Pally.
our heal is fast and 800heal over time plus LoH and when Im hitting you pittiful monk *** for 300+ youll feel my wath until dead. Not to mention the Self 66% haste and 1409AC self buffed.
Bring it!
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# Nov 29 2002 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
sorry bro I have a paly with epic and all and most monks my lvl would own my paly

PS he has epic but uses Fire Flameberge from ToV

EDIT* also have monk atm hit 41 today

Edited, Fri Nov 29 20:04:14 2002
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When fighting a monk a DS potion is handy, or if available, pick up a 2 handed practice sword, proc it and watch the monk kill himself. ****, that way all you have to do is heal yourself, don't even need to fight back.
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Noone ever taught you how to use ur spells in PVP huh? Bad Pally. I own players higher level then me on a consistent basis, they tend to forget about LH and chain stuns....as u must have.

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RE: haeppwin
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LOL ontop of what was mentioned by tweedius theres SO MUCH MORE,. i could go on and on about all kinds of spells,. and different battle stragys and well... i dont wanna type that much.
not to mention u dont desever to be TOLD how to do the things i do as a Pali,. the only way to truely comprehend all the spells and when to use em is to go andevelop your own skill, THAT is whats lost by how it takes no time to get up in LVL anymore, it was alot arder for me to get up in lvl 2 years ago before luclin and PoP,. time to hone your skill,. perfect yourseel;f at a lower lvl,. and slowly reperfect as u gain lvl and ability, now u can get 50+ without even knowing how to play your own **** class,.. not to mention all the E-Bayers buyin accounts,. also btw i hate all of u 50+ ebayed clerics that make me die cause u dont know how to be a cleric,anyways i think whoever said they couldnt beat a monk at 50+ fall into one of hte catagories of e-bay or newbie who just lvld to fast. for this reason,. well,. u have NO SKILL, maybe one day u can learn how to truely use a Pali but intill then work hard at it,. one day u may understand grasshopper.
Pali is one of the best PVP classes,. as well as Necros, as a Pali the only Class i fear is a Necro,. SKs are tough,. but there taps cant keep up with my heals, end of fight :) theres so much more to it,. but in the long run thats what it equals out to. some say rouges are beter,. but only if u a dumass to PvP and stay still.
A necro can still be beaten,. but tis SO HARD to pulll it off when the Nec is verryy experienced with PvP,. and some Specialize themselves to fighting Pali (cause they fear us)but its IS doable,. even againstthe worthy

Now about Where im posting,. Our beloved Epic
Yeah theres bettetr,. i Have wepons that make me laugh and Spit on the Epic,. look some up :) BUT u gutta remember its ALWAYS still worth getin your Epic, cause, as we all know inside weather we want to or not,. Epics are a status symbol, Horses to, even if u dont use it,. its kool to have,. it looks silly and makes people say,. OOO look its an Epic(btw silly=verry good, its slang)
Even the Rouge Epic which some say is near useless is still kool,. at least i think so

and to respond to the people who will proly flame this,.dont tell me what lvl u are and how many AA u gut,. tell me how many years you have been playn a Pali in EQ,. then u are worthy to rebuttle me


also this says its Posted by my friend,. i dont have an acocunt so i posted under his name



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Just a note about epics. They aren't suppose to be the BEST weapons for your class, BUT they are suppose to aid you in playing your class better. No I am not a paladin, I am a warrior. Though I am lvl 58 and have grouped with and even dueld on a non pvp server(Emarr) many paladins in my time. I know what they are capable of doing. Epics came out with the Kunark expansion set. I'm sure verant knew that when they were making these, that they would be making better and more powerfull weapons in futur expansions and there are some in Velious and Luclin. As for that Palladius axe of slaughter, for those of you who want to get it instead of your epic, good luck, it drops off Vulak'Aerr, a lvl 75 dragon in tov. You need to have very good equpiment to even set foot in tov and kill tov dragons. I bet most players who only go into tov belong in big uber guilds, who have all thier epics, a full set of resist gear, SS or thurg armor, and of course, lvl 60. Even though I know there better weapons out there than my epics, I still want my lightsabers, hehe. Because I know that my epics will help out me and my guild take down the big mobs in the game. Anyways, I still respect those who decide not to get thier epics, more power to ya. Good luck and good hunting.

Takata K'Trazz
LVL 58 Darkelf Myrmidon
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Edited, Sat Oct 5 11:57:52 2002
RE: Note about epics
# Oct 12 2002 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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In addition, they more or less serve as a badge of achievement, kind of like how "only the most uber players get primal stuff," which, granted, I'll probably never see. I think the Fiery Defender can still hold its own in melee combat, although yes, there are cooler weapons. But hey, a dmg/dly ratio of 1.14 is pretty good in my book.
I'm just an ignorant 34 paladin who hasn't even been on any raids yet. I'm sure there are l33t tactics that I've probably never heard of. *shrug* oh well.
Oh and one more thing Mr. Inky, your stuff is pretty kewl and all that, but how come you don't dual wield your epics or even have them with you? Just a question.

Edited, Sat Oct 12 12:32:32 2002
RE: Note about epics
# Dec 17 2002 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I just dinged 60 a while ago and the reason I'm not wielding my epics is because I don't have them yet :) I'm trying to save up for my green dragon scale. I problably won't be able to kill serv. If I do then yay I save 10k, lol. I don't know, I've been getting a lot of respnses from warriors who've doen thier epic and say it's not worth it. Is it the same for Paladins? I agree most people who have thier epics just use them as a status symbol. They look cool and they say "look, I've done the hardest and longest quest for my class" Also I figure most people use thier epics for raids cause of the stats and saves they add. But like I said before, epics won't make you the best, but will help you become the best player out there. As for dueling, well I don't know about you, but I've been able to beat most paladins in duels, not all though. In my opionion shadowknights have been the toughest for me to duel. But that's just in my experiences and I don't duel much. Anyways, gl with all of you who are still trying for your epic, wish me luck for mine.



Edited, Tue Jun 24 10:01:31 2003
RE: Note about epics
# Jan 16 2003 at 9:02 AM Rating: Default
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war epic is worth it if you want to be uber tank. where as pal epic really isn't too worth it anymore. its too much of a pain to get and it pretty much stinks compared to other epics and weapon's.
RE: Note about epics
# Jun 10 2003 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
Again, it's the whole badge of honer thing. And it is by far one of the coolest looking weapons in the game!
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classes
# Sep 14 2002 at 7:36 PM Rating: Default
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losts of people here think one class is better than the next, well no class is beter than the other.
without clerics where would tanks be?
no wizzys=slow killing
no tanks=group wiped out
no enchanters=slow exp
it's a matter of what is most fun to the player of the character.
just my opinion.

Zarmon
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# Sep 04 2002 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I've never been of the mentality of getting in to which class is better than the other, I've always played my character because I love it. The Paladin class is a class that is sorely under appreciated in most cases and I think it's sad (as you may already assume I am a Paladin myself). In a lot of cases, we are not going to be the ones dealing out the most damage, but in a lot of cases, we will be the one's to save your *** when the cleric is lom, or a mob is aggroed to said cleric, with our LoH. Also, in a situation where you have more mobs than your group can handle and the enchanter is being over whelmed by the situation, cast a quick wave of healing or healing wave of prexus, boom, instant aggro grabber. The stuns are also priceless in the high end game as well, as it is great for drawing aggro as well as obviously interupting those pesky caster mob's spells. I'm not sitting up here and saying that Paladin's are the only class that aren't fully appreciated, **** SK's have no role what so ever in the high end lvl of the game when it comes to raiding (IMO, and that is not a knock against the SK class, just fyi, my bro. has an SK as his main, and for that reason, I respect them), but what I'm saying is that for my class, I think that alot of the crap that people talk about as far as the Paladin's short comings, they need to start looking at all of the little things that we can do to help prevent a total wipe out of an xp grp or even raids in some cases.

Oh, and yes I am going after the epic, one mob away from it's completion (not to mention the turn in portion of the Fiery Avenger quest in the PoA as well as the turn in stuff for FD obviously =)

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Edited, Tue Apr 22 08:54:43 2003
RE: :-)
# Oct 10 2002 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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WOOT! WTG on the epic
warriors? blah!
# Aug 29 2002 at 6:33 PM Rating: Default
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ive run into many warriors/monks who think they are "invincible" (almost every monk, but some r cool) when in reality about 90% of the time...TALK ABOUT OWNAGE! at lvl 60 paladin owns warrior. at lvl 59 we get a 700+ heal for only 225 mana. not to mention lay hands and considering most of us hit harder than ****. it all comes down to the ability to heal IMHO. i know many warriors who would say otherwise but those would be the ones who:
a.) died so terribly they wont admit it
b.) never dueled one
ive seen many high lvl guild PvP events. in most cases = paladin stuns warrior, gets hit a few, stuns some more, paladin heals himself...warrior needs a rez :) no matter how much you deny it.... and no im NOT saying paladins never lose, but about 90% of the time id say paladin = ownage. dont even get me started as to why monk = dead...
RE: warriors? blah!
# Oct 07 2002 at 2:11 PM Rating: Default
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/chuckle All I can say is... monks do not equal dead against a pally.
#1 Ever heard of Magic Resist? No more stun for you!
#2 "We hit hard as ****" not to mention slow as ****... Monks either hit harder than a pally and at a medium speed or in little tiny whacks so fast you won't even see your own hit msgs... Not to mention Flying Kicks or DragonPucnh/Tail Rake depending on what the monk uses.
#3 Its all about healing. Not if you're being hit so hard you can't get off a heal. Just try casting when a monk with epic and CoF is beating on you with a pair of low delay weapons... **** with a CoF and epic his hands become 9/10s you'll never get a heal off... LoH will just prolong the inevitable. Sorry to burst your bubble but monks really do just own in toe to toe battles. a Rogue can beat em if they're sneaky enough and a ranger can beat em if they get the monk snared... besides that. Sorry
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RE: warriors? blah!
# Dec 16 2002 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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A DS potion or a proc from a 2 handed practice sword and your opponent won't even need to fight back as with every swing you'd be killing yourself.
RE: warriors? blah!
# Dec 12 2002 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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You do realize that paladins can root then back up and heal right? And as far as resists go, are you talking about your gear or did monks get some spells? In any case I am pretty sure that with four stuns loaded and as quick as they cast one of them would stick eventually thus allowing for time to cast an uninterrupted root. The root need only last about 6 seconds for the pally to back up and cast a good heal on himself and if the root lasts longer, great even more heals. I honestly don't think LoH need even enter the picture. Yes, monk, rogue, warrior = dead vs. pally
RE: warriors? blah!
# Sep 02 2002 at 10:45 AM Rating: Default
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thats cute, really it is. Monks own anything in a duel that DOESN'T cast. Warriors aren't a Duel class, why dont you bring your talk up with a SK or a Ranger? Well equiped ranger would own you and almost any other pally in the game...hehe

Little ranger grrl of tp
Rangers? Blah!
# Oct 10 2002 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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hehe. I'm a Paladin and when I was lvl 40 i went to the arena in Freeport for a little fun. I met a 39 chanter and a 35 ranger there and we decided that it was them on me. They put up a really good fight and even went outside the arena to med and heal whenever the Chanter managed to blind me but I STILL WON! Yes the ranger was decently equipped. Centi Ls and Centi ss and a few bits of ivory etched... of course I dont know much about rangers but that seems like decent gear. I was armed with the Throneblade of Ykesha, some Deepwater and Clarity =P. No class is better than another at everything Verant works hard to keep the game balanced and fun. In deuls its all about gear and strategy. I beat casters by not letting them cast with Stun and hard hit interupts. And since pallys are the second most defensive , tied with shadowknights, and second most offensive, I feel warriors and monks tie for first, my real advantage in a mellee deul is my ability to heal as well as most druids =P, inferior mana capacity aside =), and my spells in general. OH LOOK I've been ranting. Can I help it? my teacher is really boring hehe

Happy hunting -Miklos
RE: Rangers? Blah!
# Apr 29 2003 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Umm... hate to break it to you, but there are very few classes that are LESS offensive then pallies...

Just using melees and hybrids:
Rangers
Rogues
Monks
Warriors

4/6... hmmm

Using casters and such, well that one's obvious :p.

Only classes I can think of that are less offensive are clerics, bards, and *maybe* enchanters (although nukes, charm, etc. are pretty scary...). And they have other talents (bards aren't the most offensive, but they'll keep doing their offense indefinately until you stop moving).

Just that pallies are *great* defensive chars :).
RE: Rangers? Blah!
# Oct 20 2002 at 1:52 PM Rating: Default
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um....SK = offensive class pally= defensive...in pvp hard to say which would win but id put my money on sk just cause he gets HT that basically crosses out HT and he gets life taps that do some dmg enough to keep pally healing himself
RE: Rangers? Blah!
# Dec 16 2002 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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SKs are a tricky opponent, but there is a strategy behind them. As always, keep them stunned as long as you can. When you get to about half health, use LH, because most sks will hold off on their DT until they know it will kill you. Another great trick against this is hard to master, but it is doable. Know your opponent. Know when he's going to DT (usually at about 40 percent health) At that point cast Divine Aura and watch your oponent waste his HT. It ****** them off something fierce. Like I said, it's tricky, but it can be done. Just comes down to a game of chicken.

Now the class I really fear in duels are bards.

Edited, Mon Dec 16 13:17:31 2002
Bards? Blah!
# May 01 2003 at 12:39 AM Rating: Decent
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No reason to fear bards. :)

54 Paladin vs. 59 epic bard in the Bazaar Arena...

I left at 25+% health after LH...and had to rez the bard. :)
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RE: Bards? Blah!
# Jun 02 2004 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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lol lololol lolololololol

ok move off the blueby server and fight a bard in the open you wont die fast but you wont kill the bard i promise
Pally
# Aug 29 2002 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Pallys are fun its just that Verant makes all the other Classes more powerfull then us. He totally made everything outta whack..Pallys where the best when the game first came out. But now if you where to look at someones char select screen you would find a high level pally in there thats nakes..because he gave all his stuff away..and retired..well I just brought my Pally outta retirement and im loving him..

Good luck to all of you
RE: Pally
# Jun 10 2003 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
Not cracking you at all, but paladins sucked wind when EQ came out. Luckily for us though, they have added tons of stuff and actually made the pally class very awesome and teribly fun to play. =) And to all the points about about monks vs pally's. I'd put my money on a smart pally any day you guys want to lay it down... 50 bucks.

Aurind
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Paladins
# Aug 16 2002 at 10:39 PM Rating: Good
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People don't play Paladins to be powerful, they play paladins to have fun. If you play a paladin, and you don't think it's fun, you shouldn't be playing a paladin; it's not going to get any better.

Fanon Faythunder
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RE: Paladins
# Aug 18 2002 at 4:12 PM Rating: Default
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How in the heck did you get Excellent score on this post? My Pally is fairly powerful, though I messed up the beginning stats. I do plenty of damage and have more mana then many 'power Pallys' like dwarves and such. I love my High Elf Paladin, and I hope I will take him all the way to get him this beauty and (dare I say) lvl 60. Sure, my Paladin is heaps of fun but I also know I am GOOD in battles, not just a 'fun guy' like that single stupid mage on my server that sits there in a fight and emotes 'bites a Pickclaw Warrior on the leg!' OVER AND OVER AND OVER and not summoning a pet or casting spells. I play Paladins to be powerful AND have fun, and so far it has worked.
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RE: Paladins
# Aug 21 2002 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not saying Paladins aren't effective, or that they aren't a helpful, strong class. I'm just saying that paladins will never be the sought-after class that warriors or clerics are. If you play a Paladin through to the endgame, you do it because you enjoy it.

These same aspects of being a Paladin are what makes the class so attractive to roleplayers. Paladins are characters with character.

If you're playing a Paladin to come out on top, it will leave you dissappointed. If you're playing a Paladin because that's what you want to be, then you will be satisfied with your character.
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RE: Paladins
# Aug 26 2003 at 7:14 AM Rating: Decent
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With ya all the way! hehe i can't wait till i can do my epic quest!


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37th circle Paladin of Brell
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RE: Paladins
# Sep 02 2002 at 5:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think, as usual, some disagreement of which class is "better" owes itself to a narrow way of thinking.

I've both won and lost solo's with worriors, monks, sk's, etc. Some times it's just the way the random resists stack up, or random fizzles, or an error on my part or theirs. Other times I have 60 percent health left after the kill, so I conclude that it wasn't going to be close in any event. But at the end of the day, I simply don't ask which class is "better", I just don't see the world that way.

At the high end of the game, heheheheheheh, well let's just say EVERYONE knows that ALL classes have definite value to executing tuff kills !! If you haven't reached the engame type of raiding activity yet, believe me, you won't be disappointed yet you won't feel comfortable with all of the learning you discover you have yet to accomplish. I can honestly say I've learned more between levels 57 and 60, than I ever did during the previous levels. It's a whole different ball game of carefully orchestrated teamwork when facing a named NToV mob.

On the part of the Paladin, contributing damage to the mob, while healing the group with Prexus, is a very important job, and really is so vital, that some mobs are extremely tuff to kill without pallys (Sont in WW for instance). Now if a guild has so many clerics, that some can be put in each group specifically to group heal and not focus on healing the MT, then sure, you can get by without the pally. But in reality, most guilds can use more clerics, just to keep the MT Complete Heal loop viable. Buffing everyone with BMB, adding to Aego, is a nice contribution. And acting as a supplementary healer is a good contribution; by that I mean, healing casters who use summoned mod rods to gereate mana during the fight at the expense of their health, thus keeping them alive. I often lay a number of Celectial Clensing's on key casters during a fight.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is the role of the paladin that I was used to from levels 1 to 30 (secondary damage dealer in an xp group), from levels 30 to 57 (Main Tank and with KEI most times main or sometimes with a cleric a backup healer in an xp group) and the 58 to 60 experience (xp.. same, main tank and healer, endgame raid encounter: melee - never MT - and group healer, with the group cleric focussed on the MT staying alive). The roles are important ones, they contribute in a very significant way to a raiding guild, and they are FUN. Deciding whether you like THIS particular piece of the puzzle is your choice, but whatever your choice, it's still a puzzle... requiring many pieces to fit together to achieve the goal.

Obviously I think being a pally is Bubble-licious :=)

Nicketh Vindicatum
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RE: Paladins
# Sep 25 2002 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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Well said.
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RE: Paladins
# Sep 12 2002 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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This guy's got it :)
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Just my 2 cents
# Aug 16 2002 at 1:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, I am just a 39 Paladin but I just got My soulfire tonight and had my ghoulbane at 15. Yes there are better swords out there but there is a sense of pride I get when I wield either. I can say that I earned them. I doubt you can have the same feeling over something you bought or was given. And yes I fully intend to earn the Fiery Avenger and the the Defender. Just My 2 cents worth.

Saralin Battletide
39 Paladin of Mithaniel Marr
Tribunal Server
RE: Just my 2 cents
# Aug 18 2002 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I feel a sence of pride that I bought my Centi SS that I use for only 150pp, because I know I got it for a deal. I'm not saying your wrong, I agree that there IS a sence of pride when I equip my GB to slap around decaying skeles when I see em (for no reason, I am lvl 27). The only time I will REALLY feel proud is when I get my FA, and when I get my FD. Other than that, I have no idea because there are SO MANY quests and items to do and get in this wonderful game that I need to bash my head into the wall to keep me from going nutty, but I don't think it helps =)
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Disagree
# Aug 05 2002 at 10:49 PM Rating: Decent
I disagree with many of you for the following reasons:

1. Weapons are about stats. This weapon is loaded with stats that will
a. Keep you alive in high lvl encounters due to the resists
b. Increase your hps with the Stamina and hps
c. Increase your dps with the added str
d. Allow you to keep agro or gain agro when required with the extra manna and wisdom

** Before you comment on how stats don't matter, play the high end game first

2. Just because a weapon can be traded does not mean its obtainable. For many paladins, this may be easier to obtain than scraping together 100kpp or more!

3. It is a Paladin weapon that is rare and sets you apart. It shows that you are dedicated to your class and have done things that will teach you more about being a paladin or an EQ player for that matter than buying 100kpp from PlayerAuctions for cash and then running out and buying a weapons will ever teach you.

So, to all the paladins who are currently working on their epic and those who already have it, I salute you. Good work!

RE: Disagree
# Aug 11 2002 at 2:31 AM Rating: Decent
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I have my "Feiry Defender" yes i wroked hard for it and i am very greateful to all of those peeps that helped me get it, but i have reason to complain since i do have it, its a status symbol thats all "Im big and cool cause i have my Feiry Defender", big deal this weapon is nice for stats, but i have a much better weapon. Palliadus Axe of Slaughter

Dmg 51, Dly 42. Wt 15.00. +80 AC, +25 Str, +25 Sta, +25 Agi, +25 Dex, +10 vsMg, +10 vsFire, +10 vsCold, +10 vsPos, +10 vsDis, +100 HP, +50 Mana, LORE MAGIC NODROP Effect of Strike of the Chosen.

Now im working on getting a Bloodied Berserker Blade

Dmg 52, Dly 40. Wt 5.00. +12 Str, +20 Sta, +12 Dex, +12 Wis, +12 Int, +18 vsMg, +18 vsFire, +18 vsCold, +18 vsPos, +18 vsDis, +125 HP, +125 Mana, LORE MAGIC NODROP Effect of Rune III. Classes: Wr Sk P Ra. All Races.

No Armor Class value but better ratio and i like the effect.
RE: Disagree
# Aug 18 2002 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know why people whine about the new weaps being better than epics, so what? If it is incredibly hard to get an epic but easier to get a better one, which would you get? If someone gave you five dollars to cut your feet off, would you do that or get 10 dollars for nothing? Sure, you did something for the 5 dollars but why NOT get 10 for less? Or NONE!? Working harder doesn't necessarily make you learn more about something or make you better than others, it just means that you worked for something. That's IT. So GOOD LUCK for that Bloodied BB, and may it serve you well.
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RE: Disagree
# Jan 09 2003 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I disagree, having your epic means that you HAVE gone to the Plane of Hate, Plane of Fear, Plane of Air, and many other high lvl zones. Meaning you have been to hellish zones like PoA and obviously succeeded, those encounters make you a way better player because you learn a lot raiding them.

People that buy their weapons can be complete newbies because someone who can play the game earned it for them, and the buyer "earned" that weapon by farming Highkeep or RM for slow plat and saved up enough to buy it, that isn't earning it, that is buying it =/

It's like buying a car, compared to building your own (epic =)

And the proc on the epic is a low rest caster interrupt stun, stack Ward of Nife, and epic proc along with skills like Combat Fury, Holyforge, and Slay Undead 3 adds up to some awesome DPS and agro.

And for the people that say pallies can tank until higher lvls are wrong. Any pally that plays the class well can tank no problem. I have had lvl 60 warriors MT in groups who can't control mobs or agro become SA and me made the tank because I play a pally well. Trick to playing a pally MT is knowing that HP > All and lvl 9 stun is uber =/

Miragul is my last mob for epic, then I'm running to PoA and PoF to claim my new toys =0
RE: Disagree
# Aug 27 2002 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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a paladin is about pride and honor you CAN be proud of getting your epic im not saying that you should brag about it but so what if you could get a better one then you could bank the epic and if you dont think the epic is worth it and pallies are only about rezzes heals and fights then i think you should rethink your character
top 20+ Pally weapon?!
# Jul 30 2002 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Sad to say, but the weapon dmg/dly isn't even in the top 20 that we could get.

And even worse, several in the top 20 are tradeable.

So do you really want put all your time (& friends, guildmates) into getting this "epic", or would you rather raid until you get something better? Or even funnier, you could just sell all your old gear that you've replaced and buy better in the bazaar.

All I have to say is I definitely respect a person that I see wielding this, because they definitely proved their dedication.
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RE: top 20+ Pally weapon?!
# Aug 03 2002 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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A level 9 pally in EC was just given an Arbitor's Great Combine sword, I believe the dmg/dly was 30/43...this seems awfully close to the epic, though it doesn't have all the AC and stats and proc, but IMHO a weapon is about the ratio, not the stats.
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RE: top 20+ Pally weapon?!
# Aug 18 2002 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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"IMHO a weapon is about the ratio, not the stats"
I don't want ANY of what you've been smoking amigo, a LOT of weapons are awesome ONLY because of their stats! would you pass up a weapon, let's say (I'm making this up here), "Gnomish Toothpick, 1 Damage 2 Delay, 200 AC +50 all stats +100 resists +300 HP/Mana"? NOPE! Without the stats the weap is crap, who would want to hit for like 3 damage? I guess if you had like max STR and such you COULD be powerful with this, but it isn't all about the ratio on weapons, the stats are a big part in what a weapon is.
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RE: top 20+ Pally weapon?!
# Aug 23 2002 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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A 1 dammage 2 delay weapon would be god like. I would take it with no stats. It would easily be the most uber weapon in the game.
RE: top 20+ Pally weapon?!
# Aug 04 2002 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey all. I WAS that lvl 9 pally, or at least I strongly believe i was. If you read about that lvl 9 pally on PON, and said pally was also given a sarnak battle shield and a centi warspear, then that was me.

First off, the act of TOTAL random kindness bestowed upon me (up of the blue, without any asking whatsoever), was a defining moment for me not only in EQ, but also in the goodness that lays in some people out there. Kind of fitting that it was a paladin, huh?

Secondly, I completely agree with paladins who feel that they were jipped on their epic. There is an old humor post on the mage boards about the history of norrath that has a funny section on this topic. In a nutshell, the poster basically said (and I am paraphrasing); "After kunark came out, paladins were more then a little upset that their epic, involving dragonslaying and coutless hours of camps and drops, was easliy put to shame by the common yard-trash a warrior could get in 3 hours in KC."

I've been a monk for a LONG time now, was a warrior before that, and have dabbled in mages, beastlords, and necros here and there. Paladins have long been a VERY neglected class. I guess what I am trying to say here is 2-fold.

1. As stated on the pally board, whoever that pally is (no, he disappeared even before I got his name), I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

2. Despite what pallys might think and feel, MOST of the non-pallys out there REALLY feel for you guys, and completely agree that you are a misused, underappreciated class.

Thanks all,
Sssin Sssational Nobelina
49th lvl Iksar Monk 10th lvl lucky Pally
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RE: top 20+ Pally weapon?!
# Aug 18 2002 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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I definitely agree on the Pally getting jipped on their epics too. I looked at this weap in the first few weeks of getting the game last year and I thought 'big deal, I've seen better' I pooed myself when i learned that this was the Pallys EPIC! I was ******* VI should seriously revamp this thing, or make a new quest to upgrade it.
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# Jul 28 2002 at 4:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Im a paladin and i think we paladins got jipped on our epic, its one of the hardest (NOT THE HARDEST), and we get this at the end with Holy Shock i mean come on, instrument of Nife is a good proc, it does around 200 pts of dmg (even though it is a Undead only spell), and we have a hard time getting grps at higher levels and get a xp penalty. I may sound like im whinning, (well a little) paladins take so much gruff from other classes and say nothing, i dont at least, but our rewards could be a little better dont you think, i mean a epic item should be one of the BEST weps for that class, theres weps out there a lot better then this wep but COME ON OUR EPIC COULD BE BETTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Fiery Defender - The Essense Of The Paladin
# Apr 28 2002 at 4:05 AM Rating: Decent
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From Bruennor's post:
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"Pally's are first and foremost damage takers. After that, we are damage dealers."

Fiery: Damage Dealing
Defender: Damage Taking

I cannot think of a better name for this epic, as it embodies the main role of the paladin.
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um
# Apr 05 2002 at 9:08 PM Rating: Default
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um, first of all, to Beetum or whatever you name is, KEEP THE ROLEPLAYING IN THE GAME! second of all, epic quests are not supposed to be easy. They are supposed to take an enormous amount of time and effort (um, thats why they're called EPICS)
RE: um
# Aug 18 2002 at 4:36 PM Rating: Default
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Phrodo, you don't live up to your name. Frodo was nice, but you are a pushy idiot. If people want to have fun and RP on these boards, LET THEM. Guess what this board is about? Heck, this whole site!? EVERQUEST, a Massive Multiplayer Online ROLE PLAYING Game, think about it shortstuff.
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RE: um
# Aug 05 2002 at 8:03 AM Rating: Default
um, i am your lord..see the name right. right? see it? **** yea.

**** hobbits
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I just wish it was an AXE!
# Jan 16 2002 at 6:16 PM Rating: Default
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I'm a Dorf Paladin...I rarely use a shield, except when pulling, and that's just for that Bash to get that extra step. I get that with my Fiery Defender. I have NO problem with it being 2-hs. I just wish it was an axe, instead of a sword! I'm a Dorf!! I don't use big long swords...even if they are on fire. They should give you the choice between Sword/Axe/Hammer. All stats stay the same, nothing changes...except the Graphic.

That's what would make me happy. As far the weapon itself goes...IT ROCKS! No doubt about it. There's some better weapons out there but they are basically post-epic weapons. I will use this until I reach level 60...at least in some circumstances. It's hard to beat those saves!

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RE: I just wish it was an AXE!
# Aug 18 2002 at 4:38 PM Rating: Default
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"They should give you the choice between Sword/Axe/Hammer". "Sword/Axe/HAMMER". Gotta love that Fiery Defender that Dwarf has, it is a 2 HAND SLASHING HAMMER!!!! WOOHOO!!! Great job with that idea man.
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RE: I just wish it was an AXE!
# Nov 17 2012 at 12:00 PM Rating: Default
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Magikton wrote:
"They should give you the choice between Sword/Axe/Hammer". "Sword/Axe/HAMMER". Gotta love that Fiery Defender that Dwarf has, it is a 2 HAND SLASHING HAMMER!!!! WOOHOO!!! Great job with that idea man.


You are ******. He never said he wants 2haned slashing hammer. If it would be hammer it OBVIOUSLY would be blunt weapon.
/sigh some people
#skrathee, Posted: Jan 11 2002 at 4:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) look buzzinsb u are a tard u think i dont know u are a very jelious pal that wishes he was and sk. i had a 52 pal tell me sk's are way better than pal's and for your future info the life tap is one of the hardest spells to resist in the game ask any nec or gm, fire dd's are very easy to resist ask any wiz, ohh yea in a p vs p area sk's do kill pal's and u think i am the only one that thinks that way u are very worng all think that way when it comes down to the final face to face battle just looks like someone is scared to step into the ring and fight trying to show his mouth in stead of his balls.
RE: really
# Jul 10 2002 at 4:19 PM Rating: Default
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You're right, no one can outpost you. In fact, I have yet to see many posts rated lower.
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#Lancer, Posted: Jul 01 2002 at 4:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) To be honest Don't ask a GM, they won't tell you which is better or anything :) Common misconception
#Magikton, Posted: Aug 18 2002 at 4:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hey, I only had to Awful-vote you once to bring your post from decent to 1.75 default. GO ME! Anyway, GMs have helped me out a bunch of times. Like twice, I think...
#skrathee, Posted: Jan 10 2002 at 4:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) the sk epic has decent stats and ac just like the pal one but one difference sk's are better there epic is 40/45 with a nasty 250 lifetap Dot way better than any 150dd stun just think of the battle stats sk would hit for 80 as a min attack and a pal would hit for 70 as a min but there still is the question about dmg bouns the sk epic has a 25 dmg bouns what does the pal one do probly 15 or 20 the whole artical in a nut shell SK'S RULE PAL'S SUCK!
RE: Nice but not as good as the sk epic
# Jan 11 2002 at 5:41 AM Rating: Default
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you're a tard, the SK epic has no AC, and the pal sword has a fire based eff, which means it will be ressisted alot less then his life tap, and damage bonus is a factor of lvl. in all both weapons are very well balanced. You're trying to relate paladins and SK's in pvp, only a hand full of servers play like that, everyone else doesnt. so shut up dammit!
RE: Nice but not as good as the sk epic
# Mar 21 2002 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Lifetaps very rarely get resisted.
Epic
# Dec 13 2001 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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Just my opinion, but every D&D picture, every art verant draws (load up screen for Velious and Kunark) what does it show Paladins as? A character with a Sword and Shield. Right? I am trying to get my epic, yes. Because, well.. its my epic... but think about it for a moment.

You have a 2HS weapon with bash capability, 15AC. Thats nice.. no doubt about that. But what about a 1HS weapon engulffed in fire (unique hilt, etc) and a magnificant looking Tower Shield entricatly(sp) carved and designed. Paladins are not (and you may argue this) 2HS users. They rely on their shield for protection. Paladins (and this is my opinion) are 1HS/1HB and Shield users. I believe a Paladin's epic would be much more satisfying if the end result was 'epic'.

Just my two cents tho
RE: Epic
# Jul 09 2002 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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i really agree with you but i remember a long time ago abashi or absor or aradune?? saying that when they think of palis they think of a guy wielding a "really big sword" i was surprised by this and that's why it stuck in my memory
RE: Epic
# Jan 13 2002 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
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same thing for rangers. they should be more of a bow based class. only time they ever use it is for kiting
RE: Epic
# Jan 09 2003 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, rangers don't use a bow in groups is because they choose not to. At higher lvls rangers get amazing criticals including fatal bow shots. I see many rangers high lvl stepping back from the mob to use their bow because they can fatal shot some mobs for 32000 dmg, or at the least do some awesome crits. Of course, whether they choose melee or archery depends on whether their weapons are better than bow or vice versa. Grab an awesome bow and rangers are awesome with crits and fatals. It all boils down to how you play your class and if you play it well. Just my 2 cp =p
RE: Epic
# Aug 18 2002 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Exactly. I whole-heartedly agree. I remember my old ranger, can't remember which race, but I was working on only shooting arrows, or at least MOSTLY. I was very discouraged in the fact that arrows are costly to make for untwinked low lvl chars like I was. I went ahead and just went with 1hs until around lvl 9, when I went to BB and got killed by a spare crazed gobby... Before the patch where under 10 is no need to get body back. That kinda sucked cuz I was still a newb back then and didn't understand the concept of 'binding' I was bound in my home town, SFG. MAN I missed that guy...
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RE: Epic
# Jan 02 2002 at 1:15 AM Rating: Decent
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I have to agree with this guy a bit.. In most of the myths of Paladins they have almost always used a 1hs and a shield. I think that is more their style..shield symbolizes defense which Paladins are known for. But their are such things as swords that can be 1hs and 2hs the game should possibly come out with these and just have different stats for the same sword depending on whether or not you have a shield with it.. I am starting on my epic now so I have a long way to go..but from what i have read I agree that a Paladins epic should be a sword and a shield. And I think that this is a very nice looking weapon and really can't wait to get mine. Thanks for your time.

Tuben Justicebringer
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RE: Epic
# Jan 10 2002 at 10:41 PM Rating: Default
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I'm a lvl 54 pally with no intention on getting the 2hs epic. Sure it's nice but i also perfur sword and shield, but i haven't seen an epic type one hander. For those off you that say hey this may not be the best 2hs ratio in the game but the stats kick ****. Look up the Petrified Heartwood Flamberge, a drop sword, if your gonna guild at a high lvl to get your epic you can guild in a high guild and hope to get this drop. 50dam 39delay 40ac25str sta wis int 15 svf m & c. proc engulfing roots. Wish i had a chance to get a compairable 1 hander.
RE: Epic
# Aug 18 2002 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
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That PHF is a great weapon, just hope I get one in the DISTANT future. I haven't seen very many better weapons than that, except for that Palladius Axe of Slaughter that Kalagulus is screaming about. I hope Iget one of them too.
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RE: Epic
# May 04 2002 at 6:16 PM Rating: Default
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GIMME a break already! um ok if you want to say that why dont u just get The Palladius Axe of Slaughter? damn51/42 +23 str25 dex25 agi25 sta25 hp100 mana50 AC80!!!! fr10cr10mr10pr10dr10 EFFECT STRIKE of the CHOSEN!
WAR/PAL/SHD BEAT IT. Dont think so. Theres always something bigger and better. The EPIC is a braggin right not a necessity.

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RE: Epic
# Apr 26 2002 at 7:42 PM Rating: Default
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Ok, now you've seen the sword, but just a hint. Most if not any guilds who are Tunare-capable(yes, Tunare drops the PHF) don't even accept applications from people without their epics. Same with NToV. Get used to it. If you don't like the time you have to put in to get results in the high-end game, play twinks, or find situations where you won't be required to have everything to have fun.

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Negatory... big guy
# Dec 13 2001 at 8:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Negatory... big guy

I thought this for quite a while... first off... If i ever see a Paladin using a blunt weapon, im gonna have to smack him around and... i dunno what ill do... So they are stuck with using Slash. Now lets look into this Slashing. First lets look at the Competaters, Warriors, Rogues, Rangers, SKs... what do 3 out of 4 have that we dont, Dual Wield, in fact Rangers dont get double attack so it is imperitive they use 2 weapons, Rogues ALWAYS use 2 weapons b/c... i dunno they jsut do. Basically there is Warrior left, and most of the time they use 2h b/c it adds another set of Damage... Now lets look at Prices, that go along with the Competators, everybody wants 1hs... that is why a 24/39 2hs Costs 400 (BABS), while a 10/22 1hs costs 1.5k(Basically anything u can find that has these stats, Example-Velium Warswords...

Now to the Appearance, I agree in style, and that is my main concern... This sword grabs attension like nobodys buiesness, you might as well keep a cloak of invisiblity with you if you wont wanna be famous... Everywhere u go flocks of people swarm ya like little... swarmlings or something... The hilt on this is a Unique one shared with only a few awsome swords, and I think you may be mistaking this for Soulfire, which has a blade, but this has no blade at all (unless you look real hard u can find a little line thing where the fires originate but its not really suppost to be there.... Sheilds, almost all of them Excluding a few new ones and a few epics look ***... All the ones with skull look horrid, the basic ones look ***, only ones I think are Ok are the Wooden Kite Sheild and Velium looks, everything else is too boring, too bugged, or too Baroque for its own good...

Heres the part where i contradict myself... What Weapon is 40 times ezer to get than this... 1hs that are Pal only or Pal/Sk Only... start out with a Crystalized Blade, 13/31, nice, 50 pp and u can get lucky and pick em up for like 30 from friendly people getting rid of em... Than Comes Ghoulbane, which u can do the quest at 18, cuz I did it, you just gotta get people to help you, than comes A whole assortment of stuff until you get to your plains, which are 1hs Blade of the Ocean and Blade of Light, each 20/26 with nice attributes... and Finally you can move on to Maybe Blade of the Dawn or something like that (which is basically an upgraded Ghoulbane hehe)The whole time, though you can be getting better 2hs for cheaper cuz nobody wants em and not have to worry about a Sheild... There are only a few sheilds worthy of a spot on here anyways, Loz Shell, Few NDs from Veeshan, and a few new NDs from Luclin. Basically all you loose is bash which is fun but id rather stick with 2h.

That is just my 2cp, well more like 4pp, 3gp, 2sp, 7cp
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RE: Negatory... big guy
# Jan 09 2003 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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"... first off... If i ever see a Paladin using a blunt weapon, im gonna have to smack him around and..."

Nah, I don't think you will smack that pally around =)

I think this pally blunt wep says it all =/

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=17345
RE: Negatory... big guy
# Apr 25 2002 at 6:14 PM Rating: Default
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dumbarss what warriors do you see mostly using 2hers? Maybe you'll see a warrior on a high end raid using a 2her if he/she isnt main or 2nd assist so they dont care about taunt. But 99% of all warriors use 1hers for greater dmg out put unless its againts that 2her that dishes out 600 dmg but how many warriors have that?
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RE: Negatory... big guy
# Jan 14 2002 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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~psst~ You can bash with the this Epic as well. So you dont lose your ability to bash when you get this. Even with the new AA point a Paladin can but into a level 59, its a waste of experience if you have your this Fiery Defender
;-)
RE: Negatory... big guy
# Dec 15 2001 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
Uhhh, WRONG!!! Rangers do too get Double Attack, at level 20. Just a little correction.
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RE: Negatory... big guy
# May 15 2002 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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TY! ;)


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RE: Negatory... big guy
# Feb 28 2002 at 9:07 PM Rating: Default
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could you BE any STUPIDER!!?!??! 1st off, rogues almost ALWAYS use 2 1 handers, generally a piercer and a 1hs... and #2, warriors like to use 1hs WAYYY more then 2hs.... in case you havemt noticed if you have a 2hs you will be hitting for say 100 relatively slow... decent damage but no taunt.... if you have 2 fast 1hses, you will be hitting for say 60-80 pretty fast... you could hit for 60 twice when you hit for 100 once... thats 120 damage over 100... pick...rangers are there to do a **** load of damage and not be able to take the heat... hence warriors... we do some damage, yeah, but our main job is to hold aggro so everyone ELSE can bead the crap out of the mob... hence 1hs... fast and smooth...see my point? now go edit your post =P

Edited, Thu Feb 28 21:08:26 2002
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RE: Negatory... big guy
# Jul 03 2002 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually correction... I grouped with a warrior who was dishing out 225 damage 2hs in Maidens. Non crippling non critical. 2hs has its role, damage. If you want to taunt you want the fastest 1hs you can get. Because 1hs is faster. Heck even if you found a 1hb that was fast, use it... the more you hit a mob, the more it hates you. That is why they got rid of the twig. (I forgot the whole name) That thing had an insane delay... like 10. (Maybe not that low, but you get the idea)

So yeah... as a pally I am using 2hs because the epic is sweet even after the release of luclin. Even if there is better, I can guarentee, they aren't easier to get. Fiery Defender is tight and besides, in regard to AA... that is a lvl 59 AA... good luck.

RE: Negatory... big guy
# Jun 23 2002 at 7:12 PM Rating: Decent
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If you have a 1hs that hits for 60-80 and a 2hs that only hits for 100 you have spent a LOT more on you 1hs than your 2hs weapon. Thats like using a BABS and some ND weapon for ToV then going "Look I hit for 60-80 with my 1hs way faster than I hit for 100 with my BABS.." Duh.. Get a decent 2hs. Heck my pally hits for over 130 with an Arbitors and that didnt even cost me 2k.
RE: Negatory... big guy
# May 30 2002 at 8:08 PM Rating: Default
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Whats a 2 handed weapon a rogue can use...?
Graphic
# Nov 17 2001 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey what does the graphic look like for this weapon? Is it the standard 2h sword with a flame blade like Soulfire or something different?
RE: Graphic
# Nov 20 2001 at 4:27 AM Rating: Decent
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It is different. There is no blade exactly, it is just flame, unlike the soulfire or fiery avenger where you see the blade inside the flames. The hilt is big and gold. You would know it if you saw it, it is unique just like all the other epics.
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RE: Graphic
# Dec 08 2001 at 4:10 AM Rating: Default
Not quite unique...
Looks like a Throneblade of the Ykesha with flames on it
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RE: Graphic
# Dec 16 2001 at 5:46 AM Rating: Default
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Your jokeing right? right???

Firey Defender looks SOOOO different that.

Earman Wax 52 Cavalier
Vox
# Nov 13 2001 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Naggy drops book often but Vox does not want to let go of the stupid thing... stupid icy %*(^
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STOP THE RANT/FLAMING! It is STUPID!
# Oct 28 2001 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
All this flaming, my class's epic is better/harder/etc. is STUPID. This is the Paladin Epic Sword discussion, not the Rants section! If you want to complain about your epic, GO DO IT ON THE BOARD WITH YOUR EPIC. Not here. All the epic weapons are balanced for the class that can use them-us Paladins get an Epic with some HP, Mana, and resists, as well as a nice stat boost on the stats that matter most. Warriors have a pair of epic swords that do not have the best ratio individually, but Dual Wield them together and there is some pretty good damage (counting procs) and amazing Taunt factor, which puts the MoBs aggro where it should be, and have nice stats as well. Bard epic is not a terribly good weapon, but Bards are a support class, not a tank class. And the effect is a nice group effect Haste at 55% or so, with nice stats for Bards. Mages have an epic that summons a staff that summons a nice pet and has nice INT and Mana on it (and I think other stats as well.)
Just to make the point that each class has an Epic good for that class, but not any other.

And as for how hard any class's epic is? Who cares? And if anyone thinks that getting Primal is easier, YOU try killing the dragons that drop parts of the key, over and over for your whole guild. Easier to get an Epic, certainly.
RE: STOP THE RANT/FLAMING! It is STUPID!
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I rated your post as excellent. Well said!
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