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Lyran's Mystical Lute  

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STR: +10 DEX: +10 CHA: +15 INT: +10
Focus: String Resonance 15
WT: 2.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: BRD
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Item Type:Stringed Instrument
Submitted By:Onyyn Serilisson
Lucy Entry By:Espio
Item Updated By:Oxgoad
IC Last Updated:2019-03-06 13:09:25
Page Updated:Mon Dec 22nd, 2014
Ruins of Kunark Item

Rarity: Very Rare
Level to Attain: 50

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Veeshan's Peak

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Formerly dropped by Silverwing.

Uploaded November 27th, 2008
Updated November 28th, 2008
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Dropped by Kluzen the Protector.
# Dec 21 2014 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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Dropped by Kluzen the Protector.
Nice drop
# Nov 18 2003 at 8:47 PM Rating: Decent
18 posts
I saw this drop when NGoH cleared VP .. i passed to my class leader on it cause i had Kelins 7 stringed lute with a 1.4 mod on it .. the 10% ddnt seem so big a deal and she needed the upgrade.. its also a one hander.. ugh i should have taken it!!
Adrenalynn Rush
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Sol Invictus
% to bardsong
# Apr 23 2002 at 4:06 AM Rating: Default
51 posts
Is this really 0% to bardsong?
RE: % to bardsong
# Mar 23 2003 at 7:57 AM Rating: Decent
9 posts
Mod is 2.5, best pre-pop primary lute in game pre-PoP.
bard vs warrior
# Jul 05 2001 at 4:34 AM Rating: Default
For the fool who claims warrior can kill a bard. ??? ??? A bard will drop a warrior with less than a scratch on him, and no it won't take hours. At 48 I can DOT at 150 points a tick, not that shabby actually. We get no respect as bards, til we save our parties over and over.
Master of Mischief
RE: bard vs warrior
# Feb 09 2004 at 6:04 PM Rating: Decent
41 posts
Aaaaaah man....i tought i was on a forum to discuss Silverwing and the Lute he drops....<shrugs> i guess i am on another PvP discussion with teenagers full of testosterones trying to be the uberest of the uber braging over and over and having the same discussion they do since ages...
RE: bard vs warrior
# Jun 10 2003 at 9:40 PM Rating: Default
71 posts
Why are you talking about things like this at 48? in a head to head fight the war would win, if the bard runs around and does bard things they will win, but neither of these are completly true many right click or other such things could sway the fight for either class. please give it more thought then just "i can run around and DOT things, i am imortal". You want to know why bards get no respect because bards like you are arogent and force others to lose respect for your entire class.
RE: bard vs warrior
# Jun 17 2004 at 11:02 PM Rating: Default
30 posts
madgorgor... i would like to say... some bards may be arrogant... but that is just a stereotype... so i will go off and say... we are NOT immortal... though we do happen to be hard to kill...
RE: bard vs warrior
# Jul 05 2003 at 1:47 AM Rating: Decent
26 posts
Actually.. in stand up melee a bard may win. Proper instrument twisting will mean that the bards DS will eat up the warrior, while the regen from song will probably outdo the warrior DPS....
RE: bard vs warrior
# Aug 25 2003 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
24 posts
Bards are the most overpowered pvp class in game period. They can just run around and dot like they are immortal, even if your on a selo's horse a bard will win.

Also, Wars are one of the most underpowered classes in pvp, the only weaker one being rogues.

Seriously, a bard who cant beat war is an idiot and war who thinks he can beat a bard is an idiot.

EDIT: Bards have absolutely insane resist songs so forget about snare or any of the other "uber" clickies you war has

Edited, Mon Aug 25 22:28:33 2003
RE: bard vs warrior
# Dec 03 2003 at 7:46 PM Rating: Good
232 posts
umm necros are the most overpowered PvP class in the game and rogues may have less HP but their DPS is far superior, ive seen it many times in bazaar arena,65 bard vs 65 necro, the necro smokes the bard almost every time. unless the necro is a lower level or naked, or ebayed they are the best PvP in game. some fights have been very close and some the bard won but in a rematch the necro mems the right spells done talking hehe you guys get it
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Bards Useless??
# Jun 04 2001 at 9:34 PM Rating: Default
Ask my guild if a bard is useless, esp. for dragon raids! I boost my groups magic/fire/cold and other resists to amazing lvls! Many times, my group gets the xp from dragon killing because all the other groups ran away in fear or were killed by the dmg shields!
# May 26 2001 at 2:58 PM Rating: Default
Spend a week with a bard who plays the class well and you will find yourself quite addicted. Bards rock.
Actual facts on lute
# Apr 27 2001 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
This lute can be held in the primary hand and has the same bonus as the Kelin's Seven stringed lute from Maestro of Rancor. This allows you to use a weapon in you off hand.

To obtain this you need to be able to get into veeshan's peak and kill silverwing and hope it drops.

Another thing that makes this so attractive is then when you switch over to this lute you only need 1 free space in the inventory since you only need put one weapon away. But you do not get to punch with the main hand which kinda sucks.

Once you get an epic though it is only really usefull for when you need extra healing or... if you are doing ae killing with wizards in which case you are playing AE slow dmg and of course catanas.

For the part about bards being replaced on raids by other classes. This is pure bunk. Occlusion of sound is all I need to say. But will explain it to the mentally challenged anyway. Occlusion of sound lowers the MR CR and FR of a mob by 32 and CANNOT be resisted. This is the ULTIMATE MALO. Not to metion what bards do for resist and down time activities. What bards do here cannot be replicated by ANY class being that a bard can stack their buffs with ANY class.

#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 02 2001 at 12:53 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yea ok Bard only... But honestly now folks... Are there really any bards on these raids? Their spot can be filled by an enchanter and they can mezz/sleep/mana regen out of their party. Playing a bard is REALLY useless had a mega twink Bard on Bertoxx and he still ot his *** whooped down hard at level 5 with 400hps-unbuffed their melee stats blow the balls of a goat playing one means you have genuinly WASTED alot of your time...
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Apr 06 2001 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
3 posts
I must admit I am suprised at the restraint you guys have shown this person. I for one am loaded with things to say.

1) How can you even speak of a zone that you have never been to or probably will never have the maturity to go to? Do you even have a single clue at all what this zone is about? Or what it even takes to get into this zone? I thought not... or judging by the date of your comment you have learned and feel REAL stupid about posting anything here at all.

2) You played a class to level 5 and you feel like you have a right to judge that class. ALL CLASSES SUCK AT LEVEL 5... try getting to 55 you idiot and then post a freakin' comment. You obviously have no clue about the bard class just like you have no clue about Veeshan's Peak. You should be ashamed of yourself.

3)You obviously have never been on a raid of any kind. In dragon raids one of the VERY MOST important classes to have is a bard. Since I am assuming you are unaware, ignorant, or have never gotten any character above level 35 just let me say that bard resists increase with every level... we in fact give the highest resists in the game. When you go against a dragon who nails through anything that has a resist less than 200 in MR, CR, FR, PR, and DR... you will leave the raid hugging your bard and trying to figure out how to get him that next better drum because he just saved your ***!!!!!!!!!

4) MES??!! MES??!! What the HELL do you need mes for on any large raids of this nature? Mes does not work!!! Hello!!!! You obviously have no idea what a bards job is. We in effect control the flow of battle. Without us the group is forced to sit for extended periods of downtime. Now I know there will be those who claim that they have been in groups without bards and constantly pulled for X number of hours without any down time... but, if you have grouped with a GOOD bard you would understand what I mean. We bring to the group what the group does not already have or would have to burn mana for when it could be handed out by bards mana free.

5) Clarity 2 is nice... but our C2 song also regens health and stamina... in fact I regen nearly 20 points to 25 points of health per tick at level 55 with a regular lute (and these regens do stack with druid or shaman regens)... nothing fancy so imagine it with this Lute. No chanter C2 can do that for you... only the bard song... sorry to disappoint you there guy. In the long run... with this song after five to six hours of hunting with a group... I by proprtion do more HP regen with this song over a period of time than the cleric will throughout battle. That's right... I said it... in the long run a bard can return more health to a group than a cleric... Clerics just dump it all at once while bards give it over a extended period of time.

6) Melee... hmmm so I guess a Necro could melee down a bard... no wait... they couldn't. So maybe a cleric could... no they would suck too. Hmmmm, trying to help you with this one bro... uhm... maybe a wizard..? A shaman surely could...? no... druid.. don't think so? I GOT IT... a mage... surely a mage could... whoops no... maybe his pet could I guess, if those pesky bards would just stop fear kiting them. Your argument at this point must be that they are casters and surely could just blast and nuke their way to victory... whoops no... smart bard... he broke out his resist songs and just twisted them over and over, standing there with a drum, resisting nearly everything thrown at him or weakinging their effects. Caster out of mana... better break out that weapon... oh wait... that's right they can't melee and the bard is at near full health now... doesn't look good for the caster.

But, your concern is that he is a melee class and does not seem to be able to hold his own. Interesting theory so lets think about that one...

Surely a warrior, rogue or a monk could beat the holy hell out of... whoops no... there goes the bard... killing all three of them at the same time and never loosing any health at all and using only a drum... How did he do that? They could not even catch him... (sorry for the exp loss by the way... hehe)

That pretty much leaves Rangers, Pally's, and Sk's oh my... actually some of my most interesting duels have been against these classes so I will have to agree with you there... perhaps we could be out done by these classes but I promise you it will be a run for their money... if they can catch us... hehe... (word of warning always make sure DT is gone on the SK and LoH is gone for the Pally and they should not be so tough... hehe)

Wow I can't stop myself here. If Zelandakh was right and you were just fishing for a response from people consider me hooked... if you were serious in your post, I would suggest taking the game out of the box and actually play it before you start posting on sites like this.
Minstrel of the 57'th Song.
Aeyonae Ro
Free Reign
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# May 25 2002 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
9 posts
Many of you seem to have an overestimated sense of these resist songs at lvl 50+ in just about ANY PVP encounter with any class your resist songs will simiply give the caster FREE SHOTS while you waste time.

Go ahead throw all your Resists up to 200+, and watch lures and lifetaps rip thru you for Full Dmg, Malo land dropping everything by 60(90 on sullon). Trying to twist a few resist songs is a good way to get yourself Splurted, Wing Deathed, Funeral Pyred or Shaman Epic dotted. lol and if WD does land on you, your now looking at 10 second margin to live and if you aint got a pumice lol nighty nite MR Bard cuz you aint getten a WD off u with your lil C.magic song.
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Dec 03 2003 at 7:49 PM Rating: Good
232 posts
umm yeah....what are you talking about you use the resist song with your best drum , if you dont totally suck it takes 3 seconds to cast and then those "free shots" you were talking about wont stick
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RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Aug 18 2002 at 5:46 AM Rating: Decent
53 posts
Um, What?

Yeah, you get 3 seconds of "Free shots", after that it'll take you a few tries to land on a 255 resist target in PVP. (Res are capped at 255)

As for Malo, it's resistable, next time say OoS or Tashani.

The point of getting resistances is to stop your spells from landing, who cares about the number of free shots you get.

Bards need no pumice, we get a self dispell. Although I believe pumice is instant, would be semi useful.

Range kiting casters are fun. But, you've probably never seen it, considering a good 95% of bards are idiots. (imho of course.)
#valkyr, Posted: Oct 04 2002 at 3:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) .....and you know what opinions are like - and everyone has one, or in some cases (they) ARE one.
#hockysocky, Posted: Apr 15 2002 at 9:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) nice post, alot was said but it didn't seem to take into affect the players armor and diciplins. well at least when dealing with the roug, monk and warrior. while you may be able to fear the player cant they just use a pumice stone to remove the spell, or any of your other songs for that matter, while at the same time a warrior of lvl 48 can get wrist pieces with a healing effect on them. I am not saying you wouldn't win but to say you could effortlesly destroy one of the three pure mellees is total horse compost. Bards are great and all, they work great in full groups and if you are just partered.
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Apr 16 2002 at 7:30 PM Rating: Default
109 posts
1) Whenever people try to defend (Non-casting) Melee classes againts spells or effects they always bring up the pumice stone...what people fail to realize about bards is that their songs cost NO MANA, go ahead cancel it with your pumice stone, they'll just do it again, and again, and again... Kind of a waste of pumice stones heh? =P

2) Try and catch a bard =P

3) Bards can cast while running, fighting a bard has it's own unique set of rules...Casters, Melee's, Bards. b/c they are totally unique.

4) By level 32 (my bards current level after two weeks playtime) I have access to Fear, Snare, DoT's, DD's, Mez, Charm, Selo's (Better than sow =P), Party Cancel Magic, Levitate, DS (which adds 6 ds, around 30 or so CR and some AC)...that's 10 out of 34 current songs.

5) True, bards are not tanks, but they don't have to be. They can be a tank or a caster, that's a good choice to have at one's disposal.

6) Bards have armour too bud, and plate at most cases we'll have more ac than your standard non-plate melee class and also have access to a ton of good weapons.

7) Bards can solo like crazy via fear/snare kite or charm kiting.

If you ask me, after level 20...Warriors and all the other melee's are support classes =P Not the Bard. Sure the Warrior/Rogue/Monk will do more Melee damage, but 90% of the time (I'm counting you level 20's in fungi tunics as the other 10%) they have to group or need a healing partner.

Then again, i could just be crazy

Gallowbraid (51 SK)
Jhoval (32 Bard)
Gynleah (31 Enc)
and some others under 30...but you guys don't care ; )

"Wherever you go, there you are."
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Oct 19 2001 at 9:56 AM Rating: Default
122 posts
Hehe well insult a bard and u better expect an eloquent response. Well u really went off Echosong. But, before we u go convincing every bard that they are the best pvp class let&#8217;s be realistic. I do not want to start a war against bards and have u tank my posting karma but come on now u cant do all u said.
- First, I would like to say I love bards. They make my groups run very smoothly and keep my clerics happy. NO ONE can take a bard&#8217;s incredible and very useful role in any group or raid. Understand I LOVE BARDS.
- But, come on, we all know a mage or necro would destroy a bard. Granted u have those resists but u cant have the drum out and playin the resists while fear kiting the pet and whackin away at the caster and dot or ddin (whichever those damage songs do). That is just way to much for one bard to do.
- Against monks and wars I have seen battles go both ways. I think that this battle is more along the lines of who is the better dueler.
- I have never seen a bard vs. cleric or chanter, but I don&#8217;t care to predict on that. If I had too I would say bard in both cases.
- Now against shammy&#8217;s and druids, I have never seen any battle but I would have to give the edge to shammy and druid. U bards really on u selo and such and I think it would be one hell of match between shammy and druid. Specially shammy.
- Now that leaves wizzy and I don&#8217;t have a clue on that. Here u resist song might be really useful. But never know.
- Anyways, all I am sayin is that bards are very useful, great characters, and wonderful in raids. But as far as bein the best dueling class? =) prove it
Fendrish 52 Barb War
Deadinc 46 Iksar Necro
# May 25 2002 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
9 posts
No offense but it's funny watching blue server players debate PVP issues, as a Sullon Zek player let me set you all straight.

PVP wise the Bard is the most overbalanced class in EQ, although there lack of DMG methods allows almost every class to escape them before the bard can get the kill, they are without a doubt the best DUEL class in the game.

The ideal of the Bard was to be a jack of all trades verant sadly went overboard with is making Bards the Perfect Griefing class.

Reasons Why:
(I am only considering the bard at lvl 60 vs other lvl 60 classes to give a clearer idea of the imbalance)

Number 1: Casters are absolutely worthless agianst bards at lvl 60, any bard with half a brain will play the range game sucking the casters mana and dancing OOR of every spell before it goes off. If the caster wasn't smart enuff to gate before being sucked dry the bards just gonna beat u to death a few seconds after.
Considering Manaburn and Lifeburn be 6.0 casts any bard sticking around for 6 seconds near wiz or nec deserves to die.

Number 2: Pets are worthless Charm song is bugged and makes Pets go Poof when it's played on them.

Number 3: Melee's are worthless you can't hit what you can't catch plus bard DA song allows melees a window of 3 seconds to do dmg on a bard.
Plus charm song allows a bard to throw something on the melee run out of argo range before charm breaks forcing the melee to fight the mob to the death and as the melee is just about to kill mob 1 the bard is returning with mob 2, and repeats this cycle.

Number 4: Anyone agreeing to duel a lvl 60 bard who is not another bard or SK with S.H.touch(which will allow an SK to kill any class in duel in 1 second regardless of whatcha got)is a fool. Bards have the speed to cross most zones in under a minute lol giving them even a low track radius makes them a more effective tracker then any ranger let alone the 2nd best track in the game. Track ensures that you have no method of escaping a bard except to zone and in duel lol that=lose.

There are of course exceptions any melee with a few golem wands and j boots can devour a bard as he tries to run away his speed song getting insta clicked off the minute it lands, Or a ranger with soc horse and kelpmaidens bow making the bard feel like a worthless chewtoy. However no class in the game can engage a bard with simiply there class abilities and spells and expect to win(except SK)
# Aug 27 2003 at 9:30 AM Rating: Decent
45 posts
I'd have to agree with you gqnicholi, it is funny watching people debate from blue servers about PvP stuff, lol. And I sometimes dislike grouping with bards, just for the fact a good amount of people who play bards on blue servers are pretty clueless to the full/true potential, of the Bard. Or have their bard too twinked out to understand how to do "the bard thing". But I do have to respectfuly disagree with you on a few things: 1)Against popular believe, super harm touch is actually partially resistable if your magic resist is high enough, talking in the 300+ range. However this may have changed since I saw this happen in May 2003 on Vallon in bazaar arena. 2)I've seen plenty of times, either with duelers on blue servers or a pvp server like Vallon, that lv45+ bards are actually able to occasionally outrun the arrow that is shot at them and at lv60+ they usually always outrun the arrows. Personally, I only have a bard in the low teens on Vallon and even now my bard rules, the only problem is all the darn super twinks. I started a bard after watching my friend's bard on Vallon get kicked out of his guild for doing too much pvp; so he went out and killed off his whole guild for kicking him out, lol(if anyone is interested killing him, he plays by the name of Peoplespye, he's always up for new challenges.)
(On a side note, what is a 'Kelpmaidens Bow', looked it up in search and it didn't show up.)
# Jul 24 2002 at 4:16 AM Rating: Default
45 posts
dang it went under and not above like I thought, I mean down ;)
Bristlebane server
Mith marr
56th season
# Jul 24 2002 at 4:15 AM Rating: Default
45 posts
woops on that up there, ignore it.
Bard 60 vs Paladin 60 from what I see normally the paladin wins (they do kinda have about 20k hp with Celestial Elixar and layhands, sometimes more) and from my expirence dueling bards, I just toss on my resist gear and normally once my stuns start getting out (bash with shield+spells) they are screwed. 5 times I dueled a bard, 1 time they were same or under level, all times I won (highest had 2 levels on me). No bards dont suck, but they arnt the best duelers.

Bristlebane server
Mith marr
56th season
RE: Bard best duel?
# Jul 24 2002 at 4:12 AM Rating: Default
45 posts
Bristlebane server
Mith marr
56th season
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Apr 12 2002 at 5:38 PM Rating: Default
Umm, sure ok, i don't post much, well usually never, but hey, you say that fearing, wacking and doting is to much, while resisting? HMMM well lemme see, it called bards can have 4 soongs up at a time if they are good, 3 up if they are DECENT. Meaning a decent bard can hold 3 songs at once, without items, lemme see here, screech, dot and MR, while whacking the necro with his hands or even if he has this lute or lute of howler a weapon from offhand.
Against monks you say, well they cannot do much if they are feared, Oh wait bards can Magic fear and INSTILL DOUBT, just like a monk can, damn that gives em 3 songs to do. ERRR. How about a way without fear. Umm, well kiting is out cause you OBVIOUSLY would not run after me, well how about if i slowed you and dotted you, yer not running after me are you? OH OH i know, how about against a shammy? well if the shammies dot's stick, or maybe a root, called bards can cancel magic. MUAAHAHHA, im rooted, 3 seconds later im not =) Bard VS chanter, it just a charm contenst it seems. SOrry mister necro, i know ya love bards, but i had to point that out. Bards have songs for every situation, why they are the most vesatile class in game. Not to start a war with Every other class out there. But compared to a bard, well they all boring.

Piuchuh Tsukino
Level 45 bardic tracker (yes bards can track)

Did ya ever notice sow is sLow without the L?
Piuchuh Tsukino
Level 47 bardic tracker (Yes Bards can track)

Did you ever notice sow is sLow without the L?
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# May 25 2002 at 12:49 PM Rating: Default
9 posts
Piuchuh all sounds good except 0% of it can be used in PVP, Fear, Charm, and Instill Doubt do not work on other players on any server. If your Mr is so low that an MR debuff will allow a Root or Snare to land on you then your dead for many other reasons(lol Any enc would tear you apart like a ragdoll before you even realised what was going on).

You'd simiply hear the barking of tashania, become mezzed, and then watch your screen go black after the blind drops, and when you can see agian you'll be stairing at your bind spot.

If any melee has their MR low enuff to allow snare to land then you might as well just /q and pray for the best. PS in the time it takes you to remove a shamans Debuff and root he'll have landed a dot on you and depending on how nasty it is allows the shaman to SOC after u for another root or nuke for kill.

And Lastily on Sullon Zek where OOS does a max of 35 with a great drum(23 on other servers) chances are anyone 50+ will still resist every chant and snare song you throw at them as well as Bard Mez.
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Jul 12 2002 at 9:48 AM Rating: Default
2 posts
I beg to differ on the no fears on any server. I'm a blue sever, and I fear kited a freind of mine to teach him a lesson. Say what you want. If you don't believe, come to Rodcet and I'll show you that it can be done. And for the record, dot kiting spirocs in Timorous Deep, I was going through them about 1 every 2 and a half minutes. At 49 bards get a long duration run song, which means my four twists can be 3 dots and snare, or 3 dots and bellow. Yeah that might be slow, but I never had to take a med break, had no healer, and can go no stop. Oh wait, I do have a healer. Me. I can twist regen, snare, and two dots. By the time the fights done, I'll be up to almost full health. Granted, that doesn't say a lot for my hp, but at even 900 AC (decent for someone not in new cultural or veloius quest armor), how many spirocs could a tank take down before they died themselves? Get a few backstabs on ya for 297 (highest I've seen from a spiroc) and see how long you stand. So anyway, the point of that is that yes, you can fear on blue servers.

Edited, Fri Jul 12 10:37:19 2002
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Sep 30 2003 at 5:38 AM Rating: Decent
10 posts
I have a bard, granted still a noob bard at 39th. I see a glaring hole in most of the bard chest beating I see going on... last I checked my bard only had 8 gems to put songs in, selo, mez, dots, resists, cancel magic, fear, regen, mana tap and so on and so on... Just how are they twisting so many songs when there aren't enough gems to put them. Ok, duel speed dials that are set to fight specific player types, even then there seems to be a shortage of memory gems for what I have been hearing. No 51+ player is going to go long without doing AA which will negate much of the "I rule the world because..." bravado.

All duel PvP is nerfed on blue servers (don't play non-blue server, no idea of how it works on those worlds). You never get nailed by what the class can really do in a duel. That I see is to the bard's advantage as I see it.

A 59+ ranger is going to shoot you as you are coming in and ranger archery is insanely lethal, even nerfed. You can't come in invisable and think it'll work. He has eagle eye and will see you. Bard songs have effects so he will see you anyway.

Bard track sucks(no track sort). It is very short ranged even when it's maxed. A ranger can see more then half of most zones and all of smaller ones from just about any point in the zone. With 2 or 3 track samples his can tell you what direction, how far it is, what is around it and what their possitions are around target. Only thing bard track can do is tell you it is in zone and what direction it is and nothing else (When very close, 850 distance or less [maxed bard track]). You will be on his track if you are closer then 3200 distance.

Just How many songs will let you see through camo or hide?(song gem issue again) His archery buffs have see invis on them. Eagle eye, true shoot disc, AM3, EQuiver, fleeting quiver, haste items and a good bow (they all have them(bow)at that level or soon will). Your getting tagged for 300-2k+ every 1.2-3 seconds. You had better not be standing still or it's doubled again(archery 200+) when he hits you and he will. Arrows can interupt songs, expecially hitting that hard. Bards have to close on target because their range attack isn't very far. How do you out run an arrow you are running toward?

It seems to me that bard songs take a few second to take effect. 2.5 to 3 seconds or more it seems to me and at 38th level all songs look like they take the same amount of time to start to effect time. Ok. so melee him. Melee'ing a ranger isn't good because he swings too fast and hard that it's hard to get a song going without being interupted. Also he will out damage you quickly because he's getting crits (combat fury3) and swinging like a blender gone mad.

At some point between 51-59 any ranger figures out he needs to do his AA because EQ, AM3 and headshot are just too sweet to pass up. Plus, inate regen3, run3, combat fury3, fear immunity, ect., ect., ect., change a ranger's out look greatly. So much so, that not doing your AA is foolish. Point? He will have AA.

Coming in unawhere is a non-issue. The other player has to accept duel on a blue server.
I guess pouching single players on PvP is possible, but a bard coming in on a party is a suicide in process in most all cases. Training in mobs and other harassment tactics on a party are sure to make him a marked man. I must confess ignorance of PvP TOS violation hits there.

You bet I am going to be pouring over song/item lists and such so as make my bard king kong. I will look, examine, assess, look again, over and over. I will make duel, dungeon, raid, party and solo speed dial song sets. I will see how well an idiot like me make the best use of my bard whatever happens.

To know a Man, walk a mile in his shoes. This will help you get along better with those you can. And dispatch more efficiently those you can't.
Teasar Stormwood
Ranger of 58 trails
Quellious server
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Dec 09 2003 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
7 posts
I know this post is dated but I so have to respond to this.

Yes you can't do everything so you have to pick something. When I PVP my bard I insure I have my epic in one hand and nice dmg sword in the other. and my karana drum in an open slot. I mem a few songs

OoS Dispell 3-chants Selos Mezz and highsun

OoS lands first, followed by a dispell while I'm runnin circles around the, (bow you say then I run around stuff (line of sight :) ) Once the dispell goes a couple a ticks it's either mezz melee or mezz chant time. and for those casters highsun to shadowstep you, darn the interrupted casting. And if I mezz you as a caster. You die, end of story. I will see my mezz tick, count, hit you and me mezz will go again. Can bards be beat yeah. A tough DoT lands and you can dispell quickly or a lethal shot sure. but man I make it hard for you to hit me. Oh and BTW for archers out there. run figure 8's around them really messes with LoS on the bow. I have killed many and been killed by many in game, but everytime it was well fought. And personally, I'd rather play a bard in PvP than any other class.
Goyde Stormsong
Master Bard
-=Inner Fury=-
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 06 2001 at 4:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ....bard...beat..warrior?...the only way a bard beats a warrior 1on1 is if the warrior is brainless and actually chases...of course a bard can beat 3 people at once, the same way a bard at mere 30 can destroy spec island in oasis, charming blah blah....but basicaly, that bard cant beat that 1 spec(or person), alone, unless he has hours...hourrrsssss of time
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# May 25 2002 at 2:11 PM Rating: Default
9 posts
On sullon a lone warrior knows if he tries to stay in the zone with a bard he's a dead man. At the same time no bard who's made it to lvl 50+ would ever engage a warrior in direct melee.

I know none of you bards expecting to use MEZ, Chant, I.Doubt, or Fear have ever faced anyone in PVP simiply because none of these things work on PVP.

But this is truelly a pointless topic for you all to speculate, you can plan a million ways you'd beat this or that class with song combinations only to find every class in the game defeat you. In PVP preperation is everything the classes are not at all balanced and not having the right potion or right click item will decide the fight in a matter of seconds. You'd be surprised how some lvl 15 quest items with Rclick effects can force someone 13 lvl's higher to flee from a green player. And how some store bought vender potions change a fight that should have been easy to now impossible.

RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Jun 12 2001 at 6:50 PM Rating: Default
My best time for clearing spec island was 4 minutes. I was level 41 at the time. I routinely defeat melee classes at the zone into Sebilis (oh wait, newbie, you don't know how small that area is). That is all.
#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 05 2001 at 4:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I think the general consensus here is that Mr. Anonymous needs to go the kitchen and get himself a glass of Shut-the-HELL-up. LOL
#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 19 2001 at 9:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) whoever just posted that first post is a ******* ******.
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Mar 13 2001 at 8:10 AM Rating: Default
9 posts
Anyone who thinks a Bard is meant for Mes/Sleep/Battle-time aman regen (Downtime ONLY folks, honestly..) is a fool.

I've got a 47 Druid and Bards are REALLY sought after for groups, a good bard can twist up to 4 songs fairly easily, and those songs ROCK, adding upwards of +30 Str, as well as other stat boosts that stack with ALL spells.
Virale Rahien`Sorei
Level 47 Druid of E'ci
Master Brewer and Jeweler
#Anonymous, Posted: Mar 12 2001 at 6:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) apparently you AREN'T very smart, cause if you were you'd know bards are a great class and aren't MEANT for mezzing and their mana regen does stack with chanter spells, oh, and you must REALLY suck to die at lvl 5, since i made it to like 9 without ANY trouble whatsoever
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Mar 03 2001 at 5:47 PM Rating: Default
Wow where to start, hmmmmm.. First off nothing can be Mezed in VP so dont need chanters for that. Secondly ya chanters can C2 out of there parties but throw a bard in parties and Cantana stacks and is better than C2. Third we have the added resists so the casters and clerics dont get pounded as badly by AE's. Fourth we have the extra stackable 45% haste for the tanks.Sixth we have the 30% stackable slow on mobs hitting for 750+. Seven I cant see how you can judge anything by playing a lvl5 twinked bard, ya know alot of chars kinda suck at that lvl and you havnt even gotten to any real lvl. You eather dont play with bards much or play with some that really really suck in raids. Dont get me wrong Chanters are very much needed in raids like vp but to compare what they do in vp to replace what a bard does is pretty ignorant.

Thats all move along
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Mar 20 2001 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
18 posts
a) he was trolling
b) bard haste and slow don't stack except the ervaj line which is almst useless
c) yes he really >was< trolling

(-: Zel :-)
RE: Umm yea.... About that
# Apr 08 2001 at 3:06 AM Rating: Decent
10 posts
Well.. When there are no Chanters around to Snake ya or shamans to speed ya.. THEN is the time to use Celerity.. BUT a bard's main role in VP is to literally keep the group alive.. Not in the sense a cleric does... but w/o the resists of a bard.. yer perty much fooked.. Bards have THE Best Resists.. and that is their main purpose on raids like these... Not to mention Catana of Replenishment.. + This lute is FREAKIN AWSOME! You can weild a weapon while weilding the lute at the same time.. AND... Ya regen 60 HP per tic when using Catana of Replenishment! so that's freakin nice...
Tegdar Fearsong - 57 Wood Elf Bard - Xegony
Immelzen Miztycal - 44 High Elf Magician - Xegony
Orla ~ Fennin Ro
# Jan 21 2001 at 9:30 AM Rating: Default
This appears to be aprimary wielded lute. so instead of only being able to wield your lute while playing songs you can now wield the lute in your primary hand and a weapon of your choice in the secondary slot! Very nice for those of us who havent gotten our epics.
RE: Orla ~ Fennin Ro
# Mar 11 2001 at 5:11 PM Rating: Default
1 post
Does anybody know what is needed to obtain this item? Very nice!!!
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