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Kavruul`s Mystic Pouch  

WT: 0.4 Weight Reduction: 100%
Capacity: 10 Size Capacity: GIANT
Item Type:Container
Merchant Value:150 pp 0 gp 0 sp 0 cp
Lucy Entry By:lowkey
Item Updated By:SoD-AB Deillusional
IC Last Updated:2017-08-14 00:25:01
Page Updated:Tue May 2nd, 2017
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Average Price: 3,500pp Pricing Data...
Rarity: Very Rare
Level to Attain: 45

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DreadlandsEmerald JunglePermafrost KeepSkyfire MountainsTimorous Deep

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Crescent ReachThe Bazaar

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Uploaded November 27th, 2008
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40% Haste
# Oct 31 2007 at 2:16 AM Rating: Decent
3 posts
Anyone notice this bag has a 40% haste?
40% Haste
# Jul 31 2008 at 1:21 PM Rating: Default
The bag would have shown a 40% haste because of an item you had in there. All containers 'used' to do it. Not sure if it has been fixed since.
#WarpedMonkey, Posted: May 02 2005 at 10:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) just for ne ones info, theres just specific types of armors for class sets. Theres leather armor for dru,mnk,bst. Theres plate armor f0r cleric warrior,bard,paladin,sk. Theres chain for shaman,zerker,rogue,ranger. Theres silk for int casters. Then theres armor for people w/ no spells, people with armor for hybrid and a mix of that. Also there is an armor for all pure casters as well. also, as of now, theres a lot of WR bags that are 10 slot 100%, such as leatherfoot haversacks, and those bags u get from sol a.
RE: re: bag
# Jan 22 2006 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
765 posts
Pouch also drops off Faydedar, the roaming non-triggered version of the water dragon. Killed him this morning and among other things dropped this pouch and a Treasure Hunters' Satchel also.
You're not special
# Feb 22 2005 at 5:35 AM Rating: Decent
19 posts
I play a cleric the majority of the time with a strength of 120 doesnt leave much loot for em to carry. so one of these bags would help me out in ways you couldnt imagine. I've lost FT items to tanks , rangers, monks, and even more recently zerkers. Now none of these classes needed it but it was a raid therefore all were entitled to roll. Hell i just won a great 2hs that dropped off overking in chardok yesterday. Do i need it no but an alt does so i rolled for an equal chance to wint it. As one of my cleric bretheren mentioned earlier once a cleric is OOM we are a waste of space. we have no real dps unless we summon a hammer and even that hammer will ocassionaly steal agrro. Not to mention that as clerics the majority of our raid/group time is spent on our asses so that we can heal the monks and warriors and stuff. I accept that part of my class and learned to work around it.If the group is heavy enough with dps i know i can get everynow and then and throw a few swing of my hammer at the mobs. Not that i make much of a difference but if i can roll for wr or agi or sta items i will cuz theyre going to help me as a cleric hit more often if needed or outruna mob because iim not to heavy.
# Jan 12 2005 at 3:07 AM Rating: Excellent
346 posts
wow so much ranting on this forum...

monk isnt only one that needs WR. some people, have caster mains, and farm stuff, they get encumbered on first bag of loot. WR bag means 2-3 bags of the same stuff. I wouldn't say a WR bag is just for monk.....

I would farm veluim with my nec and get emcumbered on first bag, with 3 WRs i can get 3 and not be emcumbered....

So yes WR may be good for MONK, but you cant just say other class's just don't need it. lots of casters get close to being encumbered just for carrying their gear, like monks.

as for MONK ONLY gear, there is same program with other class's. I rarely see anything thats CLR only, or NEC only, or WAR only, most things are mixed class's, so more people have chance of getting rewards out of raids. basically most items that aren't ALL/ALL are NEC/WIZ/ENC/MAG only, CLR/DRU/SHM only, or something simaler. Should agree with other post too, if you only raid to get upgrades, research raids, and dont go if nothing drops at all for your class.
# Jan 12 2005 at 3:00 AM Rating: Default
346 posts
wow so much ranting on this forum...

monk isnt only one that needs WR. some people, have caster mains, and farm stuff, they get encumbered on first bag of loot. WR bag means 2-3 bags of the same stuff. I wouldn't say a WR bag is just for monk.....

I would farm veluim with my nec and get emcumbered on first bag, with 3 WRs i can get 3 and not be emcumbered....

So yes WR may be good for MONK, but you cant just say other class's just don't need it. lots of casters get close to being encumbered just for carrying their gear, like monks.

as for MONK ONLY gear, there is same program with other class's. I rarely see anything thats CLR only, or NEC only, or WAR only, most things are mixed class's, so more people have chance of getting rewards out of raids. basically most items that aren't ALL/ALL are NEC/WIZ/ENC/MAG only, CLR/DRU/SHM only, or something simaler. Should agree with other post too, if you only raid to get upgrades, research raids, and dont go if nothing drops at all for your class.
simple facts
# Aug 16 2004 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
24 posts
yeah so what monks have a weight with it.

i've been playing a ranger for 5 years, and have heard every stupid ranger joke a million times over. it's getting really lame, but i frankly don't care. i do my job, i kill stuff...and get justly recognized by those i group or raid with.

you're a monk, if you want to use all of your abilities to thier maximum extent; you can't be carrying tons of stuff around. deal with it or don't play a monk.

as for weight reduction bags, anyone can use them. if they are going to sell them, then no they don't need it. but just because you're a monk doesn't give you anymore right to weight reduction bags than anyone else.

oh and as for other flowing thought. same rule applies, anyone that can use it deserves a shot at it. you want to be picky about class priorities...find a guild that does that or start your own that does that. but for pickup raids, everyone who can use an item, will use it, and it is an upgrade for; is entitled to get a chance at winning said item.
Hunter Gilg Darkmyst
Erollisi Marr
# Jun 28 2004 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
276 posts
quit whining throwrug...catsers need + agi and dex..helps them cast better..and so what if the druid rolledon a sta aug? druids need HP too!..and this isnt a whining page..its a page about a bag that weighs .4 holds 10 and has 100%weight reduction..ITS A BAG anyone can roll on a bag..if its such a big deal to you..start a raid on one of the dragons and say your raiding for the bag so you'll get it default lol

Edited, Mon Jun 28 17:57:42 2004
# Apr 17 2004 at 5:16 AM Rating: Decent
6 posts
This entire page is filled up with worthless crap not even about the bag, monks cry me a river, Adapt and overcome i'm not missin a roll on this cause some monk put on too small of panties.
Defending monks
# Feb 02 2004 at 10:42 AM Rating: Default
14 posts
Yeah yeah yeah, everyone hates the monks who want this item... let me tell you something about the life of a monk: there is no gear for us. there's gear for everyone that we can use, but it's really annoying to go on 20+ raids on mobs that drop great piercieng, slashing, or caster items and to not even stick around for the rolling because you know in advance there's nothing you can even use.
THEN when a 1HB drops, all the warriors, rangers, etc. roll for it because it's not fair to give the monks good gear without them getting a shot at it.
I have never rolled for an EP, SP, or Rune. I see int and wis augs drop all the time in LDoNs, and I don't roll on them, but then the wizard decides to roll on the +Agi aug and thinks that's fair, and the druid wants +Sta. yes they can use it, but I think some respect should be shown to the people who need it most.
I have been in my guild for months, and gone on many 60+ raids. I have yet to see a single monk only (or monk/bst) item drop.
So no, I don't expect to get this automatically, Int casters with low strength need it too. but if I have to sit through the roll for the shield, the 2HPierce, the 1HS, the chain boots, the 3 EPs, the +12int necklace, and the Improved Healing III head piece, then when it comes time to roll for the bag, everyone who didn't win anything else rolls against me, I am always gonna lose.
Unless you're gonna put in the rule that if you role for one thing, you can't roll for any others, then monks will always be at the bottom of the barrel, since WR bags, 1HB, and haste items will always be things that everyone will roll on just in case

So monks have a right to get pissed about this, that's not to say I expect everyone to change their behavior, I just expect them to understand when I get pissed about the fact that I have not gotten any gear on any raid yet.

And to everyone who says "If you don't like having shortcomings, don't play a monk" that sounds really great when you say it, but when I win a roll for an FT item, and I say "if you didn't want to be so dependant on mana, why did you play a caster?" I'm sure it'll take some of the humor out of it. it's really easy to get preachy about what other people should give up.

Edited, Mon Feb 2 10:58:50 2004
RE: Defending monks
# Sep 03 2005 at 6:10 PM Rating: Default
285 posts
tons of ft items a monk can use. most of the oow/god/dragons loot has ft if it can be used by ne one who has mana. and i mean what self respecting monk would care is a monk only item has ft. also probally the stupidest thing u could have said was in that edie "if you didn't want to be so dependant on mana, why did you play a caster?" hmm lets see here if a monk looses a little ac nothing bad will happen. if a cleric goes oom in a fight group wipes, everyone dies. really when it comes down to it no class is "nessary" unless only that class can trigger something. otherwise it is all just priortizing about what u need the most. i mean why do u need a wiz nothing they do is NESSARY. it just helps a ton their dps. why need a cleric, u can get a druid ch chain, just requies more druids. why get a warrior when u can get an sk, just need a lil better sk or a few more healers. why get a shaman when u can get a chanter to slow, or a bl, sure their slows are a lil worse. nothing in eq is nessary, but things help, anbd something as petty as ac on a monk shouldnt matter. in a raid u get mabye 5 or 6 monks tops. then when one of them happens to loose something even as much as 100 ac what happens- unless their pulling nothing. so really u have no claim over ne thing. ne one who gets an item(unless u do mysupersales or something and buy pp/chars) deserves to have that item most of the time. finally the games called everquest not everbitch or everrant. so play the game, give a lil bit of spoiler info, and play.

ok to the item now it has a little over a 1 in 5 chance of dropping from what ive seen. around 100 dragon kills and 19 have dropped.
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RE: Defending monks
# Aug 23 2004 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
14 posts
Its funny to see someone complaining about loot lol. Look up shaman gear bud. Everything PoP and higher is 3+ classes. If your really that worried look up GoD gear, alot of it is usable by everyone or alot of classes. They've expanded the way loot goes so yes it will become harder to get things but if you look at alot of it, one item is worth 2-3 things you can go solo for now. So suck it up, bite down and wait for yours.
RE: Defending monks
# Jun 18 2004 at 11:23 PM Rating: Good
96 posts
dude i have a monk of my own and tons of stuff have drops that ive won, your just a greedy moron, the ammount of mnk/beast only items that are out there.....comes close to rangers...if not more...might i add there is an ENTIRE weapon class for mnk/beastlords only, its called hand to hand, that other class has a weapon class all to themselfs.
RE: Defending monks
# May 25 2004 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
7 posts
A bag, a staff .. these are not paths to harmony. It is only when you release yourself from this engulfing desire for material possessions that you will find enlightenment, my brother. And it is at that time that you will realize your full potential as a monk.
RE: Defending monks
# Oct 25 2004 at 6:27 AM Rating: Default
57 posts
LMFAO..Hear, hear brother subcon..can i join ur cult?
RE: Defending monks
# Feb 04 2004 at 9:32 PM Rating: Decent
19 posts
First of all, I don't think there are any FT items that a monk can wear, but hey I could be mistaken. As far as your argument, I might agree with you, but other people need the weight reduction too. My cleric has 90 str, my armor weighs 80. If I get encumbered I'm screwed, being as how the only classes that get more aggro than me are bards and enchanters. If I can't run away from a mob that's beating on me I'm dead. Every caster needs weight reduction, our strength is crap and for clerics especially with all that heavy plate armor, we get encumbered easily.

Now, Flowing Thought is only useful to a caster, so it would be wrong to deny a caster, or possibly hybrid, this gear. Weight reduction is useful to everyone. I know when haste items drop I bow out of the rolls no matter what the other stats are. Why? Because haste is not somthing I need and I'm not gonna be greedy. As far as your complaint about no decent monk only gear dropping. If the only reason you go on raids is to get gear for yourself, then research the raids and only go on raids that drop items you want. But don't go on a Vox or naggy raid and expect full rights to an all/all item that everyone can find use for. As a cleric I know that niether Naggy nor Vox drop anything even remotely decent for clerics. But I still go for the chance to slay a dragon and possibly see a friend get an epic drop or a cloak of flames, or something useful to them.

Bottom line, if you are in it for the gear, then aim your raiding time towards the gear you want. If you are just there to help out and occassionally get something, then don't complain when you get nothing for your time but a "Thanks for coming..." and a pat on the back.

Damerr Flinn
54th season cleric of Tunare
Lanys T'Vyl


And on the issue of monks being the best suited for WR bags. 1)Any group that uses a monk to tank is doomed, period. Monks used to be half-**** viable tanks. They since nerfed that, something about being able to grossly out damage a warrior and still tank almost as many hits struck the devs as being out of balance...go figure. As a cleric I can say that in every instance where I've had a decent monk and decent tank in the group I almost never have to heal the monk. Occasionally something casts an AE spell and I gotta heal him...AC is not helpful in this situation. The only monks that I have ever had to heal are the "Look at my uber gear...I can out damage the rest of the group...What does FD do?" types. Once a monk hits the level to be raiding naggy or vox they should know how to manage aggro. If they can't, they will die until they can. That's the nature of EQ, if you can't play your character, eventually you will either learn or die repeatedly and not gain levels.

Does this item help monks? Definitely. Does that mean we should tell everyone else, "Sorry, WR is monk only." Hell no. By that logic, I demand all FT gear go to clerics first. We keep everyone alive so we need tha mana regen. Heck we need the gear too, so all plate drops are now defaulted to the cleric. Sound a bit over the top? I think so too. I hate to say something that's been said more often that "blue-eyed devil" at a black panthers rally, but you accepted your limitations when you started a monk. I accepted that once I'm out of mana I'm a virtual waste of group space until I get some back. This does not entitle me to any benefits, your restrictions don't entitle you to any. If you really want to carry on, petition SOE to implement more Monk only WR bags, or to raise the limit from 14-21 stone to around 50 stone. But don't complain that every member of a raid is somehow obliged to make up for the restrictions placed on your race. If it's so unfair, then get together and petition SOE. If you somehow feel that you are owed a raid drop that isn't monk only just because you can't handle aggro, cry me a river. Monks were never meant to be a tank. You have the same damage output as a rogue if not better, without the restriction of having to hit from behind. The lack of positional restriction is paid for in AC by your class. If you want to trade it back, roll a rogue. If you feel the need to take hits, roll a tank. Otherwide, learn to play your class and get over it.

And, if you really need a WR bag, keep going on Naggy raids, you'll eventually get something. I need a CoF for my pally, and I intend to keep joining naggy raids till I get one, and congratulate everyone else that gets one along the way, including monks. Persistance pays off. Whining gets you blacklisted from raids, kicked out of groups and generally avoided.

Edited, Thu Feb 5 01:24:36 2004
RE: Defending monks
# Jul 18 2004 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
144 posts
Yes NBG but does that mean you exclude people able to use the item from rolling?It is a part of the game..when you group with people you have to split loot and sometimes,god forbid, you may not get everything you want. I have lost on many upgrade rolls and never once whined about it. Take what you can win and be happy with having people to play with.
RE: Defending monks
# May 13 2004 at 3:51 PM Rating: Decent
22 posts
First of all, no wr bags shouldn't default to monks just because they're monks. My monk is only lvl 46 and maintaining weight is a pain. When I'm playing other characters like, let's say, my 51 cleric, I would pass on the wr bag to make way for a monk to get it. Why? Because a good cleric rarely gets more agro then the tank or the other melee's they are keeping alive. And if you do, you don't need to run because you know running just makes it more difficult for the tanks to regain agro. Or hey, you have a fast casting invincibility spell that regens hp's and turns agro back to the tanks. But you are right.. monks can't do any heavy tanking. But when they are 5 stones over weight knocking off 10+ ac and getting beat on during a pull because fd failed and end up either having to die or bring back extra mobs, well. .that little extra ac sure could save the group from a lot of hassles.
I think what he was getting at is a little consideration. A monk can use an ft item if it has other beneficial stats.. why not? the other stats help. A cleric can use a wr bag.. but generally don't need it. If your cleric ony has 90 str and your armor weighs 80, then consider swaping some gear out for something with str stats. That fixes your problem. Increasing str doesn't help a monk get their weight below their cap.

<<edit .. gotta love it when your kid slaps the keyboard and posts for ya hehe>>
Now, just because monks have that limitation doesn't mean they should automatically get the bag.. but when it comes to the people that roll on everything that is an upgrade and of high benefit to them and the things that they just want .. there's a problem (for instance the agi and sta augs going to casters).
Some rules should be set by the group concerning drops. Need before greed used to mean something and that has been lost by a lot of the high level newbies (yes.. there are many that bought accounts, got pled from day one, and still think /shout is the best way to get a hand when you're getting beat down).
Personally I've yielded on many nice items that I could have used or an alt could have used because some one in the group was better suited for the item than myself.

Edited, Thu May 13 17:06:14 2004
RE: Defending monks
# Feb 07 2004 at 12:52 AM Rating: Default
59 posts
I couldn't agree with you more.

I see uber drops all the time that my druid can use, only to lose the roll and feel a little disappointed. Then the action starts back up and I'n over it. I go on raids and adventures all the time, there will be other gear.

Your comment on looting the FT gear is absolutely unthinkable. I don't care what the stats are on the item, if you can't use the FT then DON'T LOOT IT. WR is SO useful to ANY class. Sure, there are useful other WR bags, like the tinkerer's bag, and yes the 0.6 stone difference is more meaningful to a monk than say a warrior, but some of us don't have 5.5k to buy one. I know that as of last night I was lucky as all Hell to make 1400pp in the bazaar. First time I've ever been so lucky. Does that mean I'm going to run right down to SolA to buy one? Heh, that only means I have 1600pp to my name, and I'm lvl51 now. I have spells and gear upgrades to start thinking about now. But you take away the FT item from the clerics (or the shammies/druids if the cleric bows out or allows the roll to happen) who's going to heal you that last 1 or 2 times because you screwed up and hit 3 or 4 too many times? Oops, we didn't have that extra 200mana for that life saving spot heal... someone should have had their head screwed on straight before looting that FT item...

But as the cleric was saying, casters are notoriously known for low str. My druid has 130 when self buffed (thank the gods for Storm Strength), but I usually walk around with 140-170 stones in gear, and that's including 1 rallic pack, a lemming fur, an herbalist, and 1 other 25% WR bag (the LDoN /claim bag). I know with all my debuffing and snaring, I get aggro often enough to have to keep my agi up to dodge 3 or 4 hits so that the tank can regain aggro. Yes, I know I need to time things better sometimes, but it's good to know that when the mob has a bad day and is out for me, that I'll survive without wasting any cleric mana.

Should this bag be DEFAULTED to monks? I don't think so. Should they be included in the roll? ABSOLUTELY! Don't come on a Vox/Naggy raid and then moan about how you got nothing. Usually there are WAY too many people in the raid to even consider getting 1 drop per persion... "Here you go, thanks for coming. You get a 'Words of Duress' for your participation. Thanks again!" And that's usually how it goes... deal with it.
RE: Defending monks
# Feb 11 2004 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
5,311 posts
This is just about the LDoN /claim bag.

Drailog, were you aware there's a little quest you can do to update that bag to a 50% WR bag? If I remember correctly it just involves going from camp to camp and passing items around.
"God created man from a handful of dust, and he created woman from that man's rib. And these two together were so stupid that they weren't on the planet five minutes when they managed to get a curse put on all future generations. Nice work." Pat Condell
RE: Defending monks
# Feb 09 2004 at 6:38 AM Rating: Default
14 posts
Did you actually read the post? I never said this should go automatically to monks. I realize that by the dynamics of EQ everyone has use for this. ALL I was saying was be more understanding to the monks who get pissed about it.
Think about this: go through all the categories of drops, wis caster items, plate melee items, chain class items leather wis caster items, int caster items, 1HS, 2HS, 1HP, 2HP. monks don't fit into any of those categories, some people even try to say anything that's monk/beast and has +Wis or +mana should go to beastlords since they can use it more (not my guild but there are those voices out there).
I'm not pissed because I don't win rolls. I'm pissed because there's nothing for me to roll on.
So now, why this bag? because while others need WR, no one needs it QUITE as much as a monk. and until SoE makes FD a no-fail skill, monks will get hit and will need AC. and as to us out damaging rogues, we don't; we are behind rogues rangers and beastlords in dps (but that's another debate entirely).
but again, I'm not expecting people to give me the bag, just expecting them to understand why I'm pissed I didn't get the first thing in months I could actually use. and all I want is for you to at least feel a little sympathy for the monk who's cursing about this when you walk away with it.
RE: Defending monks
# Feb 09 2004 at 11:50 PM Rating: Decent
19 posts
I read the post. And I do understand that there is a limited amount of drops for monks only. But then there are a limited amount of drops for clerics too. All plate drops are defaulted to tanks unless they are cleric only. I've been laughed out of rolls for any plate gear with stats other than wisdom. "Clerics don't need strength, dex, agi, or sta. This is melee only." If cleric were restricted to leather like druids I'd understand, but we're not. And the Cleric drops off Naggy and Vox make those Words of Duress look really good. Look, I'm not anti-monk. I'm not really anti-any class...except maybe druids....lousy no good long haired hippy...just kidding. But no one, monk or otherwise has a right to complain when they lose out on a roll. Of the 3 naggy raids and 4 vox raids I did before I hit 53 I won exactly nothing, unless you count winning a polished mithril mask from Magus Rokyl while clearing for the raid. And as far as the defaulting of raid drops goes, I've seen some preety shabby defaults in my time. But if the rules are explained before the raid then don't act surprised when you get excluded from a roll for +wis/mana monk/bst items. If you didn't ask the loot rules before the raid, more the fool you. If you asked and the answer changed between the time that the mob you were raiding was breathing easily, enjoying a pickled halfling sandwich and the time that they were taking a dirt nap, then take note of the raid leader's name and make notes not to raid with him/her again.

I have no sympathy for anyone who loses a roll in a raid, what I do have is pride for a raid gone well, and those people that did win. Plus a driving desire to return and stomp that mob again till I get my turn to win. But to get upset when you lose a roll for an item you wanted, even if you could use it and they couldn't, is poor sportsmanship to say the least. I believe heavily in need before greed, but if the loot rules are clearly stated before the raid and you don't like them, do go. Wait for a raid leader who is willing to default this bag to monks. One of the raids I was on this item was defaulted to monks and clerics as an incentive to draw them to the raid. Sadly I still lost, to a monk! Was I upset, was I carrying on about how I needed it more because at the time my gear weighed 2 stones less than my carrying capacity? No, I congratulaed the monk and set out with a smile on my face that I had taken part in wiping out a dragon.

Truthfully, most of these situations are more a spectacle fit for a episode of Jerry Springer than a happy looting of a fallen foe. But no one really has a right to complain when the loot's dealt out, if you don't like it, don't raid under that person again. There are plenty of raid leaders, some good, some bad, most average. If you quietly decide not to raid with that person again, then you have a better shot at whatever it is you want, eventually you will find a raid leader that thinks similarly to you on loot, tactics, etc. But if you jump up and down and carry on like a three year old that didn't get any candy when the pinata burst and expect people to understand because you think your class deserves compensation in the form of raid loot for the limitations placed on you by the guys upstairs, then you will more than likely be treated just like that three year old and not invited to any more gatherings.

The choice is ultimately yours, but remember that no one likes a whiner, and if you want people to have "a little sympathy for the monk who's cursing about this when you walk away with it," you're out of luck. If I go to a raid and ANYONE starts cursing about a lost roll I file them away as people not to group with and to avoid on raids. Bottom line, no one has a right to curse anyone for winning a roll. Check your loot rules, if you come along anyway hoping to whine and complain till people change them for you, and I've seen people try this, you will ultimately fail and stand out as the kind of player that people avoid.

Damerr Flinn
54th season Cleric of Tunare
Lanys T'Vyl
#SamheinCutter, Posted: Mar 10 2004 at 6:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm on the monk's side. Need before greed.
RE: Defending monks
# Apr 02 2004 at 12:23 AM Rating: Decent
19 posts
Sorry man, this doesn't qualify as need before greed. If the people rolling really don't need the WR, then yeah, their being greedy. If they loot with intent to sell, then yes, they're being greedy(and get ********** most times). But until the day comes that monks are the only ones getting encumbered, you'll get no handouts from me. If a caster NEEDS this bag to keep from being encumbered and thus moving slower(clerics are notorius for this, craptastic str, heavy plate armor) then he has just as much right to it as a monk or anyone else, and IMHO they NEED it just as much.

NBG is meant to keep people from rolling on items to sell or give to their alts. If my cleric can and will use this bag and NEEDS it to manage his weight, then I get as much right to it as any monk. NBG was NOT meant as a way for people to argue and bicker over who needs what more. Once everyone that can effectively use an item (Note the word "effectively" all/all does not mean that a caster can "effectively" use a Cloak of Flames) has sounded off, they roll it out and to the winner goes the spoils.

But again, it all goes down to understanding the rules of the raid. If you don't like the rules, don't raid. I refused to go on a naggy raid that was greed rolling out the warr/bard epic drop dragon scales. That's my choice. Had I gone on the raid understanding the rules I'd have had NO right to ***** and whine when my warrior guild mate lost to some greedy wizard that feels like making a buck in bazaar.

Damerr Flinn
54th Season Cleric of Tunare
RE: Defending monks
# Jan 15 2006 at 2:09 AM Rating: Default
The internet!

Serious business.
If a druid tanks in a forest, and nobody is around to see it, is he uber?
Earthkeeper Brudish FrozenThorn
# Dec 21 2003 at 7:07 PM Rating: Decent
497 posts
This and the THS are going for around 30k on 7th hammer... did I miss something?! WTF makes this worth 30k?!

It is nice and all, but the extra .5wt or so makes this worth maybe (MAYBE) double a tinker's bag. not 5 times!

Nice Bag
# Oct 17 2003 at 12:12 PM Rating: Default
3 posts
I have this bag. Now, my boyfriend gave it to me one day, and if I click and hold on it, it tells meit is no drop. Which is strange cuz he traded it to me one day. It does not come up NODROP to anyone else when I show them. If you want to see it let me know.

Pezzonovante Puzo
56 Chanter
Ayonae Ro
RE: Nice Bag
# Oct 18 2003 at 10:53 PM Rating: Excellent
8 posts
You have a no drop item inside it.
people whine to much
# Sep 04 2003 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
7 posts
Yeah, this item is nice. 100% weight reduction stuff rules, enough said. so everyone wants a peice of the pie. i am a monk, but i feel if it is an all/all item, then everyone gets to roll on it. yeah your ac drops when you go over weight limit...but it is only -3 AC for every pound you go over. i usually start out with 18lbs. that is with one small four slot bag full of bandages and my armor and weapons. i also don't see why monks always complain about having autosplit off so they don't go over the weight. the way i see it, if you are in a group with a buffer and/or a will be fine. yeah you'll get hit more, but hey...your defenses should go up more too. also, if i don't pull, i'll loot like crazy, i don't care where my weight goes to. All you whining monks out there should just deal with it.
#Skathaaa, Posted: Nov 16 2003 at 7:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It isn't of you go ever your wieght limit, if you are a mink, every pound over 14 you suffer an AC loss
yawwwwn,listen here juniors!!!
# Aug 03 2003 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
53 posts
there are plenty of nice,low weight,weight reduction bags out there.....i have 4 atm,all of them have very low WEIGHT,under a pound.

the reason you whining bizitches crying like a dead mans wife is so you can have an edge on a full 100pct weight reduction play a know ur role......then you play like everyone else.all/all is exactly what it means.....all RACES all CLASSES,bottom line!who cares about you individual stories and experiences and why your class should get this bag over anyone else that can use it,aside say if it was called by the people forming the raid and with the new raid box and looter options keeps you sleazy ninja looters at bay!!
you get your chance at this bag by either being in a dkp guild,like i am or you roll and pray to god for the mightiest roll of your life,because it is a very nice item.but unless i really really didnt need rolling for it.

so go back to playin this free rides,*** gas or grass nothing is free!!!!
You eyeballin me BOY?
RE: yawwwwn,listen here juniors!!!
# Aug 07 2003 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
20 posts
yea man, warriors sure as hell needs bags like that. a lot of warrior armor is really heavy and warriors always carry money cuz they're helpless if they need a res, tl somewhere/port, gate potions, etc. and its never bad to keep a low weight just incase. just because monks have a weight limit doesnt mean they should get every bag first. most monk armor weighs under a pound. and monks shouldnt exactly carry 5 stacks of halas 10lb meat pies with em anyway
Tchek, 70 Monk on Saryrn
RE: yawwwwn,listen here juniors!!!
# Aug 24 2003 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
274 posts
Weight limit=14 lbs.

This is insanely easy to go over. I have an Ogre SK, and I know I wouldn't need this. I wield 2hs and have some heavy @$$ $***. And I STILL don't need this.

So, let's see... after all the lbs of armor you carry, let's say 90 lbs... Well, you should have at least 200 str total from that armor.


Monk, still about 10. And the money? Monks can't cast! If you get into a buttload of trouble when trying to get your corpse, FD won't work. Period. End of discussion.

And no, I haven't uppdated my sig in months.
RE: yawwwwn,listen here juniors!!!
# Sep 07 2003 at 2:14 AM Rating: Decent
190 posts
a monk who can get this already has a weight limit of more than that. it goes up by level, pretty sure in the 50s it's up to 17 or so.

monk only bag
# Jul 29 2003 at 4:19 AM Rating: Default
15 posts
it gets really boring reading how this is for that class and that is for this class.way i see it if you were there for the kill you deserve the same chance as everyone else at the i will be reading "i have been playing this game since it first came out so i sould have more of a chance at loot than someone who has only been playing 6 mos." or "whine whine" i have 6 more chars over lvl 50 than you so i get the loot. ROFL what i would like to see is everyone arguing over the loot and have the body rot then maybe you would just shut the hell up and play the far as this being a monk only bag if you don't like the restrictions that are put on yer class reroll and play something else
The money YOU pay to play is no better than anyone else's
Screw Monks
# Jul 28 2003 at 3:53 PM Rating: Default
Tired of hearing all the whining you monks do. If you dont like your problem with weight, be a beastlord, warrior, ranger, ANYTHING ELSE. Just shut up and roll like the rest of us.
A monk may pull, but the warrior takes the beating, a single mistake by a cleric and they are dead. A shaman slows, time it 1 second (and i'm not joking at all) to early and your a goner. Same for mage/wiz with nukes.
All you monks need to get over yourselves. We all do our parts, shut up about loot. I myself am a shaman and would LOVE to flash this off to every monk I see, just to **** them off. You all SERIOUSLY have a problem that needs fixing. You complain if ANY decent item isn't monk usable. (idiots!) Everyone has a disadvantage, get over it.
An Iksar cant wear plate armor, but they can be a warrior. Does that mean your going to give them all the best chain you can find without rolling? Hell no, someone will be there to try to take it, count on it. Why not a bag? Shaman cant summon pet weapons, and I love making my pet quad while i solo. So i load up 2 bags of weapons and head off. No mage at the raid? pass out the pet weapons to those who need them.
I'd roll on this thing in a heartbeat and take it without ever thinking of the "poor" monk who rolled and lost. I dont care about your weight problem, you chose the penalty, YOU deal with it.
monk loot?
# Jul 12 2003 at 2:58 PM Rating: Default
14 posts
i'm tired of the whining of monks and monk-sympathizers about any low-weight items that drop, specifically low-weight bags that offer 100% weight reduction.

tell ya what: i'll not roll on bags like this against a monk when monks and all other non-caster classes decline to roll on the runes that drop in tier two planes that can be turned in for 65th level spells, and when people stop rolling on ornate patterns that they can't use.

people are greedy, and will roll on anything they can sell. i won a treasure hunter's satchel on a vox raid when i was a lower-level wizard, and i still use it today. and i STILL fight to keep my weight below encumberance limits.
RE: monk loot?
# Jan 17 2004 at 3:03 AM Rating: Decent
11 posts
I'm a monk, and I have NEVER rolled on a rune or EP unless all the casters in the group have stated they have all their spells. NBG (Need Before Greed) is how I view things, and I know quite a lot of other monks who feel the same way.

And I might want to remind you that while 100% WR bags are nice for other classes, for a monk to be able to loot ANYTHING they HAVE to have at least one (after a certain point). Its not a complaint, its just a fact of the class. If you don't like it, go play a monk for a while and you will find out for yourselves how glad you are to get your first 100% WR bag. At least now if I win something nice on a roll I'll be able to survive it on the next pull...
"Yeah, I know I'm ugly...I said to a bartender, 'Make me a zombie.' He said 'God beat me to it.'" - Rodney Dangerfield
#xango, Posted: Jun 15 2003 at 12:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Im a mage, i can summon 10 slot 100 percent WR bags. i cary a bag of evil eye and can make as many handmade backpacks as i need. ill not roll on an item like this... sure i have a weight problem sometimes but its no big deal, if i wanted another big WR bag i could buy a rallic pack or a tink bag, im a mage, an uber farmer that is well practised in the art of farming, if i need anything i farm till i have the plat to buy it. im also a master at all the tradeskills, if i cant buy it i either make it or i dont need it.
RE: mage
# Nov 19 2004 at 1:16 AM Rating: Default
47 posts
First of all i cant't beleive i've read this far donw such an old post, second, xango, i'm a mage, and yer an idiot... yes appearantly idiots can summon things to.
#Marusiotis, Posted: Jun 27 2003 at 8:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) OMG you are UBER GAY.
#housemusic, Posted: Jun 16 2003 at 2:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok thanks dude your super uber. . . all bow down. . .
# Apr 16 2003 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
70 posts
This shouldn't even be an argument. Always ask the raid leader what the loot rules are before you go on the raid. If you don't like them, don't go. If you don't like your guild rules, change guilds. See, easy.

By the way, I have another theory as to why people aren't so keen to bow down to monks over items like this. Big generalisation coming up, so don't flame, just interested to see if others have had a similar experience.

Almost all the monks I've ever met, I didn't like. They tended to either be very annoying in a group (running around pulling things without saying to practice feign death, not listening to anyone else because they thought they could take anything) or real selfish ***** to be around when soloing. The only KSers I have EVER met have been monks, for example.

Now this could just be my bad luck, or the server, etc - or it could be that certain types of people like to play certain classes. Druids and Clerics tend to be rather generous and helpful (they have to be really, they'd go mad with all the people asking them for help otherwise), Warriors can rush in where angels fear, and I've met lots of loner, soloish people playing Rangers (myself included). Just like evil characters sometimes like to RP being, well...evil, people tend to pick a character which suits THEIR character. And in my experience, I've met a lot of monks I didn't like. This doesn't mean that I'm going to hold a grude against every new monk I ever meet, but it does mean I tend to be more wary of them, and certainly if I'm on a raid with a monk that's KSed from me previously, or got groups I've been in killed, I'm not going to feel too beholden to him if a WR bag comes up. Maybe that's just my ranger mentality, perhaps if I was a drood or cleric I'd be more magnanimous =)

Anyway that's my 2 cp, etc - is this just me?

EDIT: I have now met some superb monks inside my guild, one of them being the GL, who have showed me what playing that class is all about, and are great players all round. I've also met a cleric who refused to rez a group member after a wipe because he didn't like him...which just go to show there are always exceptions ;-)

Point in case, this post was originally made when I was around 51, and up to then all the monks I'd met had been ****** And apparently they can solo, at least up to that level, because...well, they were soloing. Guess I haven't met many caster KSers because I tend to hunt in melee places.

Edited, Wed Oct 1 10:38:26 2003
RE: Simple
# Oct 27 2003 at 11:46 AM Rating: Default
27 posts
As w/ Orientis, this is a known generalization which does not apply in all cases (I have several friends who are monks, play one myself, and consider none of these monks to be annoying :-) I have noticed however that monks have a tendancy to be punks. The only class char I've seen KS from me regularly, and train intentionaly onto a group is monks. I have also seen about a 1/4-1/6 ratio of monks who suck to monks who are decent/better.
Now I've gotta also say, my main's a bard; play him all the time... when I get in a group I almost ALWAYS get a comment that I rock... and I think bards are tied w/ monks AFA characters that players suck at playing... though bards don't tend to KS (As they can't)

My personal theory on this is that if you consider what it takes to play a monk vs. what it takes to play another class... there's a lot more up-front action... a lot less complicated to figure out the basic playability... a lot more streightforward game-play... and the final factor:
As a bard, (And likely w/ above poster, as a ranger), I hunt in locations where soloing can be done, and groups are less common. Therefor, the monks I encounter are not the group-oriented monks.
That being said, in a group, monks have tended to be the most annoying players too :-)

OK, done generalizing... peace out all... and remember that monks rule :-) (As does any class properly played)

Oh, and on the WR bag yielding issue: Know your loot rules before you join a group. I've said this before, but if the rules of loot allow anyone a chance at it, everyone should take a chance at it... this item is great for ANYONE. Even if they want to sell it, who are you to say that what they'll buy w/ the money they get from it is less important than your WR bag? Maybe a wiz is going to buy a FT item!
Every class watches classes that can't even use an item win it on a roll, and grins and bears it.... don't be the monks Orientis & I a generalizing about, and be a whiner about it... either establish before the drop that your group's going to do NBG, or be happy for whoever wins this. (Maybe it will be you another day when your playing your wiz who can carry all of 80 stones!)
RE: Simple
# Aug 07 2003 at 3:16 PM Rating: Default
156 posts
Ok, my 2 cp.
First: I agree, everyone should be able to roll on this, and for u monks, ask for loot rulez, if u dont like em, dont go on raids, end of story.
Second: KSers - Biggest KSers i have ever met are..well, DRUIDS. Druids quad and figure, egh, y not, hes a wizzie, then they see my pet appear and my pet kills, me killing the mob, then they run over and start screaming at me, about KSing, then we duel and i kill em, how i deal with my problems. But there are rude of every class, including my class. I ask mages to summon me pet gear(wen on BST) and they either ignore me or say they're in a rush and stay in the zone. Just my 2 cp.
Elder Itlan - 70 Beastlord, Drinal - Retired
RE: Simple
# Aug 06 2003 at 9:15 PM Rating: Default
OMG Orientis, you're experience is sooo different than mine.

Monks rarely solo, they're almost always pulling for their group. This might explain why you find monks to be KS'ers. Since they pull far more often than any other class, they are more likely to be involved in disputed pulls more than any other class. (personally, I have been KS'd by quad-kiting druids more than any other class)

As for the most generous class? No class is more or less generous. It all depends on the person playing the char. Some clerics would stand there full mana and watch you die, others can't give enough heals. Personally, I notice shammy's dropping buffs much more often than other classes, but ofcourse they have more buffs than other classes. Of course, monks don't have any buffs or heals, so I don't see what they can do to be "generous."

P.S. I wouldn't say that this bag would be a "Monk Only" item on any raid, but if youre applying "need before greed" principles, then you gotta admit, monks are the only class with such a stiff weight limitation, thus their "need" is greater than any other class.

Seriously - compare a monk's 14lb weight limit to any other melee or hybrid who almost certainly has 200+ str and can carry 200+ lbs w/o getting encumbered. Even most casters have around 120ish str. That means other classes can typically carry 10-15 times more weight then your average monk.
RE: Simple
# May 26 2003 at 5:28 AM Rating: Default
4 posts
so;the only KS ers u ever met have been monks, eh??
I have a monk 53, and a Bst 55, and I have to say being a monk generally sux for loot;u can't carry squat without a WR bag, generally the more expensive ones too, or you hit a weight limit that hammers your AC and so your ability to solo, you can't even carry much cash for the same reason, so u usually ask your group to turn autosplit off.
True at higher levels u can carry a bit more weight, but my bst by comparison can carry up to 202lbs without being encumbered.
Given that at high level you will be asking monks to risk their necks (and levels) to single pull mobs in dungeons so you and your entire group don't get wiped, or to sneak/FD in to retrieve your corpse for you , I think you should try a bit harder to understand why they want to practise FD as much as pos., not to mention being eager to get WR gear....not condoning KSing, but hey, who can KS easier- a melee only class or a class with DOTs and nukes??
Personally I have been KS'd by casting classes more than ever by melee types.
Just in defence of monks, ok?

Rusling Rapidfists, monk of the 53rd. circle
RE: Simple
# Apr 23 2003 at 10:46 AM Rating: Excellent
23 posts
Just wanted to say I got one of these off of talendor in skyfire also . Must be a common kunark dragon dropped item

Jarlax goulslayer 61 Necromancer Ayonae Ro
# Mar 21 2003 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
51 posts
I kinda have to agree, im a shadowknight and if i was on this raid i would not roll for this if monks were there..Some people that dont know much about monks wouldnt understand the reason..It sucks when you have to run around all day with basically no money on you and barely any food to keep your weight down. Look at something else in the Loot table and roll on that if needed. If you are in a good guild you will be rewarded for how you play. Everyone is free to voice their opinion just wanted to point out mine =)

Have fun and Play!

Edited, Fri Mar 21 10:00:12 2003
RE: Monk
# May 03 2003 at 9:46 PM Rating: Default
86 posts
No question on a guild raid this should go to monk. But on open raid usually all/all is all/all roll.
RE: Monk
# Apr 16 2003 at 12:54 AM Rating: Decent
222 posts
I have been on a few raids where, to prevent confusion and an on screen mess of Roll tells, everyone interested is allocated a number by the raid leader. The raid leader then rolls "/RAND 35" or however many people are interested, and you win if your number is drawn. Simple, neat, no chance of having to reroll due to equal high rolls.

I just thought that for items that are an obvious advantage for certain people could have an increased chance of winning for those people. While the Shadow Knight may be number 12, the monk may be numbers 13, 14 and 15.

If that is too much an advantage from your point of view, maybe everyone gets 2 chances and the monk gets 3 chances.

Never seen this method in action, as I just thought of it while reading everyone elses entries.

But most importantly, if you win this fairly, you should just give it to ME!!! I'm so sick of camping the Bottomless Box, and I'm too useless at saving money to afford a Tink Box (But trying). Haha, I'll get there. Eventually.

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#Yevun, Posted: Apr 24 2003 at 4:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) we did this on a naggy raid a few times as well, assign a number to anyone who wants the item, if the number comes up an is yours congrats if not stop yer b!tchin ya didn't win it =)
Dumb Question
# Feb 20 2003 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
14 posts
It should go to the Monk or be rolled on by Monks. Period. How selfish are you people? Other classes can get a tink bag and not see a difference.

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Edited, Thu Feb 20 12:32:54 2003
RE: Dumb Question
# Apr 23 2003 at 5:57 PM Rating: Default
53 posts
Looks like someones getting frustrated with their monk
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RE: Dumb Question
# Mar 16 2003 at 3:38 AM Rating: Default
55 posts
why cant a monk get a tink bag =P
RE: Dumb Question
# Mar 21 2003 at 1:23 PM Rating: Default
150 posts
Because the Tink bag is heavier. Monks have to micromanage their weight, unlike anyone else.
#Azrielgavan, Posted: Mar 01 2003 at 3:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Other classes can get a tink bag and not see a difference.
# Jan 17 2003 at 6:24 AM Rating: Decent
5 posts
Folks, get a life. Yes, it is a great item for everyone. All classes could use it, I agree. And yes, anyone who was there, putting their **** on the line, aught to be able to roll on it.

All that being said, I also agree that the monk classes could, in all probability, use this item more than any other class. And yes, no matter what the strength buff, they will still be over-weight, and punished for it. But....

If your a high enough lev monk to be on a Vox raid, then you certainly have no excuse for showing up, without carrying a rallic pack,(at the very least), or a Tink bag. If a warrior, for instance, rolls on it, and wins, then offer him the tink bag in trade. Anyone who's not a major ******* in real life would make that trade. The differance to them would be of no great importance, and the benefit to the monk would be obvious. A little forethought from the monk player going into a Vox raid could reap considerable benefits.

And since I'm already up here on my soapbox, and ya'll got me good and pissed, it's real simple. If it's a guild raid, and their not assigning loot NBG, then you'd better take a good long look at that guild, and decide if it's really worth staying in. If it's a pickup raid, however, then accept that my warrior is gonna roll against your monk. I'm sure you'll agree with me when I say that I have no right to assume my game is any more important than yours. The problem most seem to have, is when you point out that their game isn't anymore important than yours. There, I'm done. :) I feel better, anyway. Good hunting.
RE: Posts
# Apr 22 2003 at 7:21 AM Rating: Default
Well said!
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You are all nuts
# Oct 03 2002 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
4 posts
Hey, on the monk issue. Knock it off. We all came to the raid. We all risked our "lives". We all split that loot. If we were reserving pieces in advance, fine all who came agreed to it. Weighted randoming? Stuff it, dude, why bother. Again, if I agree to something as part of the raid rules, shame on me. But in a pickup raid, and someone gives me that "weighted" crap? See ya.

Just my two cents on it... perhaps I am in a bad mood, but hey, if you didn't want to play a character with disabilities, why'd you create a monk? I am a DE Necro, and I have weight limitations all the time. Bag comes up, I want to random on it. I am not playing to compensate for your chartacter's shortcomings.
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#Dearborn, Posted: Mar 21 2003 at 1:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) *sniffs* Smells like greed to me.
RE: You are all nuts
# Oct 04 2002 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
294 posts
Then again, a level 60 Monk can only carry about 19-21 pounds on him before he loses a ton of AC. You as a Necromancer can get STR items to fix your natural low strength.. Monks, No matter how much strength we have, are hit with the weight limit. I myself at level 51 have a weight limit of 17-18. Sitting at 14 lbs of equipment with my EE bag (ugh.. I need a new bag :P ) I can never carry more than 100pp on me before I have to bank.

I'm not saying that I disagree that everyone should roll.. but it's the way the raids have been done for a *LONG* time. If you read the rules of the raids on your servers message board, you'll be prepared on what they reserve for certain classes.

As far as playing a monk.. hmm I could switch that question to you. If you don't like your low strength, why'd you make a Necro?
(Edit: Typos)

Edited, Fri Oct 4 11:31:22 2002
RE: You are all nuts
# Feb 20 2003 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
80 posts
As far as the monk restrictions go, It was a trade off players made when deciding to play a monk. It was a decition each made. Penilizing others for that decition is just wrong. Give everyone that can use the item a chance.
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RE: You are all nuts
# Dec 11 2002 at 8:25 PM Rating: Decent
I must agree with Nortan... "if you didn't want to play a character with disabilities, why'd you create a monk?" Every character has disabilities. So monks are very weak... most pure casters are as well. If you are in a group you can get STR buffs anyway... and there are STR items out there too. Trust me... I have several on my magician. Low AC? Hmmm... guess you might have to feign death. Magician gets attacked.. root it.. no can't... feign death... no can't... ran away from mob while encumbered... no can't.
Everyone has their disabilities. Everyone gets to roll on an item such as this. REALLY need low weight? Agree to sell this and split the money then go buy yourself a Tinkerer's bag... this bag sells for more anyway.
Just my 2 cp's.
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RE: You are all nuts
# Jan 12 2003 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
On raids I have generally 255 strength. I can carry 21 stone worth of items where as you can carry up to your strength. If I go over 21 stone my AC is in the toilet, if you go over 21 stone nothing happens. Get over it, this is awesome for a monk.
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RE: You are all nuts
# Jan 21 2003 at 8:58 PM Rating: Default
On a raid, you have 255 strength. On a raid, you'll be AC buffed, HP buffed, and if you're getting hit, something is seriously wrong. The only time it matters is if the mob enrages, at which time you should back off anyways. If, as a monk, you gain agro, you can FD to lower yourself on the hate list. If you could buy a tink bag for a nice price, then yes, this would be monk loot. But I don't have even have one tink bag as of yet. There's too many other things that are more important to me than a bag. Like gear.. Now, if you are going to tell me that I should pass up the chance at getting a bag that would be incredible for me to have, and that I cannot afford to buy because of the weight, then you are a bit off on your thinking. Last time I saw a monk get one of these bags he turned around and sold it immediately and went out and bought tink bags. It seems to be fairly common to demand that those items should be for a monk and then the monk goes off and sells it.. He didn't really need it any more than anyone else then, did he? Everyone worked for it, everyone that needs it, should get a shot at it.
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RE: You are all nuts
# Mar 10 2003 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
183 posts
"On a raid, you'll be AC buffed, HP buffed, and if you're getting hit, something is seriously wrong. The only time it matters is if the mob enrages, at which time you should back off anyways. If, as a monk, you gain agro, you can FD to lower yourself on the hate list"

What do monks do on raids? Oh thats right they pull. They can get hit. If their ac is in the toilet they are gonna get hurt, and badly and thats not good for everyone.

Obviously people post who know nothign about high end game (hell, even mid-level it looks like). This bag would be most beneficial to a monk. I dont htink that only a monk should get it, but if they offer a tink bag for it, be nice, do the trade. The weight of the bag wont effect you like them. If you dont have a tink bag, and you dont really go overweight, don't be greedy. Monks NEED weight reduction bags, the rest of us it would be helpful. Thats the major difference. Don't pull out the old "Well thats the disadvantage they agreed to" Yea, and items were put in to offset that. Think before your greed overtakes you.

Oh and I don't now, nor have I ever or will ever play a monk. I'm jsut a firm believer in NBG, considering we're all here to have fun.
And please if your highest char is level 10, dont post anymore you just confuse people with your incorrect assumptions.
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RE: You are all nuts
# Apr 23 2003 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
2 posts
i dont know i've seen alot of bards pull and even a ranger at time's but a monk very little , sorry
RE: You are all nuts
# Oct 14 2002 at 7:39 PM Rating: Excellent
27 posts
A 60th level Monk can carry up to 24 stones
#Anbori, Posted: Jan 03 2003 at 6:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Try being any level SK, running around with 260 stones and 150ish strength. Agility drops to the red zone & your attack speed decreases to a snails movement. True not many people carry that much stuff on em, but when you are the MA & the loot *****...
Monk item?
# Aug 28 2002 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
Of course.

I'm of the opinion that monks should trade their tink bags for it if possible, but of all classes, monks benefit the most from a 100 percent WR bag, ergo it should be rolled to them alone.

As a monk, I wouldn't care to roll on the eyepatch. Certainly, see invis is nice for pulling such places as the deep and the grey, but I'm of the opinion that a caster would benefit more from the int/wis then I would from the see invis.

However, if this bag was rolled to all classes, I would insist on rolling on the other no drop items. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander :)
#Pongu, Posted: Dec 28 2002 at 1:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Moron, is lore not no drop,
RE: Monk item?
# Jan 16 2003 at 11:04 AM Rating: Default
Dumbass... Quote: "Moron it is lore no drop"

WTF is wrong with you?

He can see that there, Sherlock, the stats are right there... umm he DID have to scroll past them to post!

He was implying that if a monk loses the roll, a buddy who is a good buddy would gladly trade the looting rights for it for the tinker bag.

I believe SOME things can be implied in conversation, or is you intellect so low that everything must be spelled out for you?

I HATE people who flame just to mess with someone or call them names... Let me give you the directions you need:

Unhook all the wires from the back of your computer, put it in a box, and send it back. You are too fooking stupid to use it.
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just a thought
# Aug 14 2002 at 4:10 AM Rating: Decent
11 posts
i have both a monk and a warrior. while yes the weight issue is probably more important to the monk, my warrior also has a problem with weight, as a warrior you carry your weapons with you. and incase you haven't noticed, weapons weight alot, my 2hs alone weight 10. so to say an item should only go to a certain class is assinine, if they wanted it to be a monk only item it would say monk
My way
# Jul 19 2002 at 4:07 AM Rating: Good
204 posts
First off, let me say that this is rarely an issue. If this drops, guild will probably give it to a monk. That said, when there is a similar dispute, and someone really wants an item that might be better suited for another class, I tend to use what i call "weighted rolling." Don't know if anyone else does this, but it came from my own head so i'm claiming credit until someone shows me they did it first =P

Anyway, how it goes, lets say that 2 warriors and 3 monks want to roll on this. Well the warriors will /random 1000 the MONKS however, who get the weighted or preferred roll, will do /random 500 1000 (or 750 1000.. up to Master Looter). This allows the monks a better chance of getting it, while still letting the warriors (or whoever) get a roll in.

Now, normally a guild will think what's good for the guild as a whole, but on a pick up raid for one of the old world dragons, the weighted system can be nice. Make sure you inform people how it works BEFORE the raid tho.. just to avoid hurt feelings.
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RE: My way
# Aug 26 2002 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
37 posts
Actually, your weighted role is basically what the NBA uses (but in lotery form) to give the crappier teams a better shot at the first draft pick when determining draft order (ie, worst team gets 20 balls in lottery, 2nd worst gets 18, etc...) But this is the first time I've seen this system in use in EQ. Not sure how well it would go over on raids I go on, but an interesting spin on randoming loot and at its root a good one because its attempting to reward loot fairly. I find a big problem to be determining what classes would be weighed how, though. For example, when the dragon bracer dropped from Vox, most melee classes wanted in on roll, and it is an item all melee could use, but the person handling random (not the raid leader, just person in charge of assigning people numbers to random for) took it upon themselves to only include monks. Oh, did I mention he was a monk? I'm sorry, but 0.4 weight or not, rogues have just as much need for the stats as a monk, and while the weight is more helpful for a monk, you must look at all the stats on an item, not just one to determine what classes should be able to roll. If something has nice ac and str, you aren't going to exclude Warriors from the roll just because there's Int on it also so it would be more useful to SKs.
RE: My way
# Jan 09 2003 at 2:21 AM Rating: Default
50 posts
On my raids, we use the lottery system to split the loots after a raid. At the beginning of the raid, it is declared that if the bag drops, monk have the option of turning in a rallic plus another bag with 20 + WR or a tink bag. If no monks are willing to turn in bags, then they get a weighted roll, in the lottery system, they simpy get 2 spots or more depending on the raid leader, and one person does a /random 1 X. Where X is the number of people who want a roll on it. Whoever happened to be that number wins the roll. Here is an example of what I mean.

Boleen tells the raid, "Cloak of Flames. Tempestbeast 1, Snowflake 2, Snowflake 3, Boleen 4, Boleen 5, Zomawhatsyourname 6, Jackbenimble 7."
"Going once."
"Going twice."
/random 1 7,

Then whoever the random picks, get the loot. Hope this helps anyone who is tired of seeing 40 people do a /random 100 and trying to find the 4 people who rolled a 100. :)


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