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Robe of the Oracle [ID 1354]  
 

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Slot: CHEST
AC: 9
WIS: +5 INT: +5 MANA: +25
Focus: Improved Damage I
WT: 2.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: MNK NEC WIZ MAG ENC
Race: HUM ERU HIE DEF GNM IKS FRG DRK
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)
Slot 2, Type 21 (Special Ornamentation)
Item Type:Armor
Appearance:Robe of the Oracle
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Color (RGB):0, 0, 0
Stackable:No
Merchant Value:6 pp 0 gp 0 sp 0 cp
Tribute:180
Submitted By:Doriath
Lucy Entry By:Kerasota
Updated By:Elonian
Source:Live
Updated:Thu Oct 9th, 2008


Average Price: 400pp Pricing Data...
Rarity: Common
Level to Attain: 30

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The Oracle
# Nov 19 2007 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
Ok so you guys have argued the price over and over on this forum but no one has mentioned the spawn loc????
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The Oracle
# Sep 30 2008 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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The Oracle is now located on the island just east of the undead/gargoyle island, nearish to the center of it near the top of a hill. More accurately, if you go to the center and look around at the hills, you'll see him and his buddies.

His location is -18, -6734.

I think the Robe is a 100% drop rate, but don't quote me
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# Jan 19 2007 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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took my Lvl 69 Mage out there to kill him. Pulled him backwards up the island with Malo, didnt agro the other K'Arnons. and the robe was on him.

Edited, Jan 19th 2007 4:50pm by ladiegodieva
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buying on bristle
# May 03 2006 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
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nevermind i bought one

Edited, Oct 8th 2006 at 4:07pm PDT by holylight
showdowrest
# Jan 11 2005 at 12:28 AM Rating: Decent
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you lost your corpse go to north ro in tunel you will find shadowrest translocater. hail her.
Found one on merc.
# Jun 21 2003 at 3:43 AM Rating: Decent
While I was camping the AC spawn tonight i went up to the merchant to sell some gems i had looted and this was for sale. It was only 25pp and change. I dont know why somone sold it to a merch, but if you want one you might try checking her out
easy kill
# Apr 12 2003 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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The only hard part was that he nukes for 263 and he roots so if he gets ya he got ya. I tried to solo him and well i got an interesting piece of info apparently he has like 15 different versions of extend range because if i could see him he could nuke me. While i had harmony on his buddy so that was fine, but i ended up having to run. Only 1100 HP buffed and with his nukes i couldn't chance it. But i did come back with a lvl53 war at my side and smoked him easy he isnt a huge tank id say about 1.5K hps but his buddy is a lot tougher to take out he only hits for 57 but its quick so if you have a damage sheild it helps a ton and he will run so snare him if you can. But all and all its a great robe and i think is worth farming. But does ne1 know what his spawn time is?? Thanks. OHHHHH ya we gon NO faction hits at all and we killed them both, and the paly has horid loot. (we got a page and a regular short sword)

Edited, Sat Apr 12 14:50:01 2003
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Doesn't work?
# Mar 28 2003 at 5:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I think mine is broken. When I cast Burst of Flame with my level 1 Magician while wearing this robe, I get no message that my Robe of the Oracle has done anything, and my damage is the same as if I didn't have an ID item. My Mana Preservation I earring works fine. Anyone know what's up?
RE: Doesn't work?
# Jul 03 2003 at 6:12 PM Rating: Default
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Hey, I will trade you a Cloak of the Ice Bear for the robe you have, I believe it will help you out a LOT more on up to level 25 or so, if your interested, reply, later. Jay
sweet robe
# Jun 16 2002 at 11:42 AM Rating: Default
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sweet robe!
:) smart selling / faction
# Jun 12 2002 at 7:36 PM Rating: Default
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If nothing else. it looks like many people buy this not only because of not camping it. But the faction. It would be like ******** up your home town faction. The only problem with the economy thing is, if Ford, GM and Honda all decide to sell a car at X amount. Well, the smart vendor will just TELL the others he will raise the bar, sell below it and LIE and make out like a bandit. Oh yea, he payed me X amount.
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Booo for the Damage 1
# Jun 09 2002 at 9:55 PM Rating: Default
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Why the **** did they put a DD 1 on this item? Only usable for spells under level 20 off of a level 40 Mob. I have this at 34 and the effect does me absolutely no good. I can see the FBR level 1 DD, but Come on. This is a great Robe for up to 50.(yes I know there's better, but I'm really cheap and would rather get it myself than spent 10K on it)

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RE: Booo for the Damage 1
# Jun 18 2002 at 1:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Why I?

Why, so they could make it the perfect twink gear for Wizards and Magicians :)
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RE: Booo for the Damage 1
# Jun 10 2002 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Er, they put this effect on it, because with the economy screwed up, usually people are buying this in the teens.

On the other hand, I can see them making a change that "I" items affect 30 and below, II's are 50 and below and III's are those last ten levels...
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# Jun 07 2002 at 12:39 AM Rating: Default
alright...seems off the subject but scroll down and you will see where this got started... first~ whoever says buyer sets the price will have some problems trying to buy things.if you wanna get into the real economics of it, EQ has a free market economic system... there are many buyers, many sellers, and sellers can set their prices.People can choose to buy or not to buy at these prices, but these prices are indeed set by the sellers. here comes the part where buyers think they have the power in this system, which they do, but only to a small extent. when 10 people are all selling the same item, the sellers will be in competition with one another. they will lower their prices most often, so that their wares are sold at a faster rate. this price is usually set by the buyer, by making statements of "well Rennon said she will sell it to me for XXXpp so if you can do better than that, i will buy from you instead." This is why people think buyers have the power in this market.Buyers think they have power, but it's all up to the seller's discretion. imagine this scenario~~~there is one item, such an uncommon drop that people would much prefer to just buy than spend days upon days camping for themselves... 10 people are selling this item and they all have knowledge that the others are selling the same item. They send tells to eachother, all coming to the conclusion that the price that was set long ago for this item is just too low for it's rarity and use. they all decide to raise the price, reaching an agreement with one another not to sell it below this new, higher price. What can anybody do besides not buy it, or camp it for themselves? NOTHING. eventually this trend will continue and the price check will raise to that set price, as people will eventually start buying it at the new set price, as people will pay for what the truly want. lets go deeper into this scenario. say some of the 10, but not the majority, decide against this new higher price. They sell their wares to people who want to keep and use this new gear for a while. Now you have people who arent selling, and people who are selling for this raised price, as the people who marked up the price of the item hold out, in hopes of getting more money for their time spent.Like i said in a previous sentence, people will pay for what they truly want, so these items get sold for the higher price in the end. When price checks come up on this item, people who bought them might answer that they paid whatever price for the said item. Now not always, but most often, sellers will go with the highest price check to sell their gear, so now you have new sellers who set their price to this higher number. simple domino effect.This is mostly a lesson on how to raise the price of an item and how the EQ economy works, as would any free market without a government to... u know, govern (the prices).If you really just cant believe what i wrote, ask your economics teacher what would happen to prices of necessities if the government were to collapse. then remember that there is no government in EQ.If you have a valid argument to this, please state it, as i would very much like to tear down any validity in whatever statement you might make =) hehehe~ j/k~ but i am correct.

Edited, Fri Jun 7 01:33:25 2002
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RE: economics
# Jun 25 2002 at 5:58 AM Rating: Good
I agree with your assesment up to a point. It is true that the Seller has control of the baseline price of the item in question. However, it is the Buyer who ultimately sets the final price on the item. Bear with me, if you will..

The Seller auctions Item X and asks for 500pp for it. A Buyer sees the auction and thinks that would be a nice upgrade to the Item Y that he is currently wearing. However, the Buyer either doesn't have 500pp, or doesn't want to pay that much for Item X so he offers 400pp to the Seller. Now the seller can do one of a few things. 1) The Seller can hold out at his original requested price and wait for another Buyer to come along. 2) The Seller can agree with the Buyer and sell Item X to him for 400pp. 3) The Seller can decide to barter and ask for 475pp for Item X and the Seller and Buyer haggle back and forth until they reach an acceptable compromise on the price.

Let's assume that the Seller decides to hold out for his original requested price. The Buyer who offered 400pp still either can't, or doesn't want to, pay that much and he goes on his way. The Seller will not be able to sell Item X until he finds a Buyer willing to pay what he is asking for it, and therefor the Buyer is agreeing that 500pp is a fair price for the item.

Assuming that the Seller agrees to sell Item X for what the Buyer offered. That is a clear example of the Buyer setting the final price.

In the third case (and my personal favorite), both the Buyer and the Seller are making offers and counter-offers to get the price to a point that they both agree on. You could argue either way here about whether the Seller or the Buyer set the final price, but there is still the fact that the Buyer talked the Seller into lowering the price he was asking for the item. This is my preferred method of doing business in EQ, and I am continually shocked at how few people know how to argue a fair price for an item. I will always offer an item for sale at 10-15% above what I feel it is worth, and I expect a savvy Buyer to come along and argue my price down. All too often I have someone say "I'll take Item X. Where can I meet you?" And the same goes when I want to buy something. I'll see someone asking a certain price for an item, and I'll make a counter offer 10-15% below that. All too often the Seller responds with "Ok. Where can I meet you?" I have gotten away with some pretty decent deals that way. It's really a very simple procedure. The Buyer asks for 500pp, you offer 450. He comes back and asks for 475, you offer 460. And so on and so forth until you both reach an amount you agree on. That is pretty much how economies were run before they were regulated by governments, and I don't see why it shouldn't work in EQ.

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RE: economics
# Jun 07 2002 at 5:25 PM Rating: Default
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What you describe here is price fixing -- illegal in the US and many other countries. Thankfully, the sellers in EQ are not that organized. And there are plenty of those who need quick cash or simply don't have the patience to wait for the best offer. They help bring the prices down. Then there are those on the other side who "got to get now" who drive the prices up. Patient buyers and sellers will get the best prices.

Prices in this game are going to fluxuate because, with the exception of trade skills items, there are no costs except the time you put in. And this will be valued differently by different people. The time spent looking for the best deal may not be worth the effort for many.
RE: economics
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I don't see why he must detail the msot basic aspects of an economy. In the real world, there are basically three components to the price of something:

Stock- the materials involved, whether used in the actual product at all. The amount of stock employed- ie trucks- increases as the cost of labor rises in proportion to it. In communist Russia, stock was in rotation for 5 to 20 times as long as in the US.
Labor- labor is the cost associated with anyone that the owner must pay. Workers at a manufacturing plant, truck drivers, cargo loaders, and human rescource managers all examples of what contributes to the labor cost of a product. Note that due to specialized services in the modern economy(avoids a diseconomy of scale), the labor cost comes from many different companies.
Profit- a business owner will want to get as much profit out of his business as possible. 'exploitation of the poor' and 'overpricing' are myths in a competitive market. Whatever additional price goes to the partners, shareholders, and owners is profit.

Forms of price control...
Labor unions- the most common of price control, and most favorably looked upon, is for the laborer. In a competitive economy, the laborers compete with eachother for jobs, and often companies compete with other companies for workers. Wages are determined by how much income the company can produce, and a company will not vie to set its profits in ( ) to pay laborers more. Labor unions often demand to be paid 'what we're worth', but in truth there is no absolute in an economy. Laborers try to get paid as much as possible, and employers try to pay as little as they can and still produce. Laborers, being uneducated, aren't aware of those basic economic principles. The United States Coal Industry was largely wrecked by unions. The most important role of labor unions is to fight for humane workplaces.

Trusts/Monopolies: a monopoly has noone to compete with, and can set the prices higher than they normally would otherwise. Note why diamonds are so expensive; the de beers family controls almost all of the diamond trade in Africa. A monopoly cannot actually set prices to whatever they want. After all, noone would pay a million dollars for a six pack of beer. Except perhaps Bill Gates, but being a famous nerd will do that to you. The media often whines about foreign investment in other nations as a form of exploitation, even in a competitive market. The PCI of columbia is $6,200 and is a country that has foreign investment from the United States. Cuba on the other hand has $1,700 for the PCI and has foreign investment largely restricted. Statistics always indicate that the economy of an area is improved by foreign investment. Making sneakers for 5 cents an hour, though paltry, may be better than farming with a crude stick. It's their choice.

Cartels: This is price fixing, and illegal in the US. Why? It disrupts the economy's price function. It only applies to transactions with US currency, though. OPEC is an example of one cartel. It's merely that all the producers of a product agree on a certain price. A week after Kane Bayle launched(yes, everyone from then is 60 now on the server, so don't try newbie etc comments) I had all of the enchanters selling steins of moggok to steadily raise the price on them to double, just enough to wipe out our customers' banks. They didn't have anything but spells to buy, then.

Apprenticeship Statuates(ended in the 1800s): There will be fewer people of a trade if it requires more work to get into. Note the lack of Doctors compared to maids. A doctor must undergo an exhaustively long education to acquire his trade, while a maid has skills that can be gained around the house. Requiring uneccesarily long(to have competent tradesmen) periods of education will naturally raise the amount that a tradesman can earn, just because there are fewer of them! I ripped off Adam Smith here, but it's a valid, if obsolete, method for artificially(controlled) raising prices.

So how does this all apply to EQ? Well for one, dropped items only have 'profit' when sold, and tradeskill items only have profit and stock! People will often lower their prices just to maintain a certain profit. For instance, Dreaka on Kane Bayle lowered prices on the 6/65 rings from 1200 to 1000 even though he was the first person at that time with 200+ JC, and even had 3 50+ chars after only 3 weeks...

So we wind up with consensus. Forest loops used to be worth 2.5k and that was generally agreed upon to be fair, and now they are worth often 100pp! People dislike waiting around forever in order to find a buyer, and will lower their prices in order to find one faster. With the bazaar, this is often true as well. Noone really sets a price. In a real-world economic system, people try to get as much profit as possible. The same is true for EQ, with the exception that the entire item's price is profit! Thus, there will always be profit for dropped items in EQ, and profit will be reduced as the number of competitors increases. That's why prices keep sliding down, and why not just the seller or buyer sets a price. Everyone sets the price in this economy. Other sellers set the price, as to be acceptable to the buyers.

Also note that the money supply is shrinking as considerably fewer people are farming giants for cash, and often opting to camp something for items instead. This too lowers the purchasing power of people 30+ in comparison to those of 10-30. No longer do people farm giants in order to pay 400pp for a stein of moggok. I recall from questioning a number of people on Kane Bayle when there was no economy about their cash flow. Since few things were being sold, most by level 40 had accrued, in total, 1,000pp from the regular cash drops.
#Diepen, Posted: Jun 09 2002 at 4:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I can't wait to see you send in the State Troopers on the EQ players who engage in price fixing
RE: economics
# Jun 07 2002 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh, yeah. This is why I play EQ, to study economics. =P Hehe. some people should go do peoples taxes instead of spendin so much time with EQ, it pays better. LOL
Value
# Jun 05 2002 at 4:41 PM Rating: Good
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Peeps, The value of ANY item whether it is an item in EQ or a house in RL, is what a willing buyer will pay for it and a willing seller will sell it for.
RE: Value
# Jun 05 2002 at 10:04 PM Rating: Default
Well expect the "value" to go up a little now, as of june 5, 2002 it also has Effect: Improved Damage I :p
Solo
# May 20 2002 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I took out the oracle yesterday with a 49 druid. Just 1. harmony the Guardian, 2.then harmony the Oracle, 3. ensnare the oracle, 4. then cast DD spells on him (Ice, Starfire, Calefaction, Firestrike, etc). I was in wolf form, had Skin like Nature on, Thorncoat, regen as well as resists for magic, cold and fire. He will hit dd you quickly so keep greater healling up. No reason for the kill, except to see if I could. The robe is ugly and not worth much. Always fun to get drops though....

(also had evac ready, just in case)
RE: Solo
# Jun 05 2002 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Ugly?! My goodness, with the Luclin models turned on, this is one awesome robe!
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RE: Solo
# May 24 2002 at 12:10 PM Rating: Default
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hmm 4 posts?
#walster, Posted: May 20 2002 at 1:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I took out the oracle yesterday with a 49 druid. Just 1. harmony the Guardian, 2.then harmony the Oracle, 3. ensnare the oracle, 4. then cast DD spells on him (Ice, Starfire, Calefaction, Firestrike, etc). I was in wolf form, had Skin like Nature on, Thorncoat, regen as well as resists for magic, cold and fire. He will hit dd you quickly so keep greater healling up. No reason for the kill, except to see if I could. The robe is ugly and not worth much. Always fun to get drops though....
#walster, Posted: May 20 2002 at 1:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I took out the oracle yesterday with a 49 druid. Just 1. harmony the Guardian, 2.then harmony the Oracle, 3. ensnare the oracle, 4. then cast DD spells on him (Ice, Starfire, Calefaction, Firestrike, etc). I was in wolf form, had Skin like Nature on, Thorncoat, regen as well as resists for magic, cold and fire. He will hit dd you quickly so keep greater healling up. No reason for the kill, except to see if I could. The robe is ugly and not worth much. Always fun to get drops though....
#walster, Posted: May 20 2002 at 1:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I took out the oracle yesterday with a 49 druid. Just 1. harmony the Guardian, 2.then harmony the Oracle, 3. ensnare the oracle, 4. then cast DD spells on him (Ice, Starfire, Calefaction, Firestrike, etc). I was in wolf form, had Skin like Nature on, Thorncoat, regen as well as resists for magic, cold and fire. He will hit dd you quickly so keep greater healling up. No reason for the kill, except to see if I could. The robe is ugly and not worth much. Always fun to get drops though....
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# Apr 24 2002 at 10:47 AM Rating: Default
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sorry, but this guy has a pally protector with him, both con red to me at 31. I had a 54 mage guildmate tell me that he would get stomped if he tried to take this guy out alone. I'm not even sure if a GROUP of level 40 people could take him, but I know the second he's yellow to me I'm gonna try it =)

Nice looking robe, a little cheap though, too many people have them.

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# May 20 2002 at 1:10 PM Rating: Default
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I took out the oracle yesterday with a 49 druid. Just 1. harmony the Guardian, 2.then harmony the Oracle, 3. ensnare the oracle, 4. then cast DD spells on him (Ice, Starfire, Calefaction, Firestrike, etc). I was in wolf form, had Skin like Nature on, Thorncoat, regen as well as resists for magic, cold and fire. He will hit dd you quickly so keep greater healling up. No reason for the kill, except to see if I could. The robe is ugly and not worth much. Always fun to get drops though....

#walster, Posted: May 20 2002 at 1:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I took out the oracle yesterday with a 49 druid. Just 1. harmony the Guardian, 2.then harmony the Oracle, 3. ensnare the oracle, 4. then cast DD spells on him (Ice, Starfire, Calefaction, Firestrike, etc). I was in wolf form, had Skin like Nature on, Thorncoat, regen as well as resists for magic, cold and fire. He will hit dd you quickly so keep greater healling up. No reason for the kill, except to see if I could. The robe is ugly and not worth much. Always fun to get drops though....
RE: level
# May 11 2002 at 6:19 AM Rating: Default
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Hmm

Well - while camping the ac with a gracious guild mate (lvl 55 necro) for something to,do she ran over and killed him for giggles solo while I Stayed on ac isle just in case of a pop!

She returned with the robe wondering if I wanted it for my necro lowbie:)
Robe
# Mar 13 2002 at 7:28 AM Rating: Default
I received my robe as a gift. Have no idea why, but it serves its purpose. As far as pricing is concerned. All of us should at least have an idea of what an item should sell for before either buying or selling. There are plenty of places to look the price up and if none is available, maybe its a good idea to let it go... This robe or any item is worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it, but a rip off is still a rip off... No harm in making a profit, but sticking it to someone just isnt worth it. What continues to amaze me is that there are items worth 5k that have never been sold and in some cases no one even has one... go figure...
#Lunee, Posted: Jan 04 2002 at 3:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) it really is sad to see lv 1 twinks wearing the same thing as you at 40 ... =(
Robe Looks Nice in Luclin
# Dec 12 2001 at 2:12 PM Rating: Default
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This robe looks much better with the Luclin expansion!! Very nice!! I got it for 200pp from a guy in Shadow Haven. Not a bad deal. Probably about normal. Although I saw someone in LOIO selling it for 350pp ... so im sure the price ranges from possibly as low as 150-400pp ...

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RE: Robe Looks Nice in Luclin
# Dec 28 2001 at 7:06 AM Rating: Default
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Agreed... looks *hugely* better with Luclin, very very attractive indeed. Too bad no CHA on this robe or I'd now take one over my BCR for my chanter! :)
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RE: Robe Looks Nice in Luclin
# Mar 29 2002 at 3:47 PM Rating: Default
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the robe looks awesome now. very very cool looking so go get one for fun =D
Nice Guy
# Dec 07 2001 at 6:15 AM Rating: Default
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Well my Level 9 Pally was a blacksmith and had lots of money and bought my wizzy a Green Silken Drape. For some reason I wanted to go to Qeynos with my wizzy and died and lost my corpse. That was about 2 months ago. Yesterday, since I shouted about how mad I was way back when, someone remembered my and gave me this. :)
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RE: Oracle Robe
# Nov 01 2001 at 7:45 PM Rating: Default
yea ur right i was just real excited cus it was the best i knew at the time i have crysatlline robes
robe
# Sep 27 2001 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
I was out looking for an Advisor Robe for a friend, looking to spend about 500pp on it, which is what they go for now on Povar, im getting lotso ppl offering oracle robes also. same int. I said, ill give you 250pp for robe, he said nah 350. I said, well i really am looking for an advisor robe but would have taken an oracle robe for 250...he then agreed to sell it to me for 250, in the meanwhile calling me a Bloodsucker =).
Oracle Robe
# Sep 06 2001 at 9:25 PM Rating: Default
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I just got my robe and im a level 8 wizard I LOVE THIS ROBE i have had it for a few hours and everyone keeps compliminting it and asking where i got it (somone GAVE it to me) i love this robe it makes me look like a million platinum
RE: Oracle Robe
# Oct 30 2001 at 6:14 AM Rating: Default
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Just because you have golden nipples when you have this on, dont mean you look like a million plat. hehe :P. I think the robe looks hidious! I would care less about the look though, and just let stats speak for themselves.
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What is an item REALLY worth?
# Aug 29 2001 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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To everyone that thinks an item is worth what the buyer is willing to pay: A person who is buying an item does not yet own said item. A person who is selling said item sets the price for it.

An item is worth EVERY LAST PENNY that the SELLER is willing to sell it for. Until you are allowed to go and pimpslap somebody for their gear, a person who is selling an item sets the price and it is the buyer's job to either talk the seller down or move on to the next item up for bid. You cannot own what you have not yet bought. Therefore you cannot set a price for it because you do not own it.
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RE: What is an item REALLY worth?
# Apr 21 2002 at 4:38 PM Rating: Good
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I like this point, despite the criticisms raised by others about buyer's demand. Basic econ 101 stuff.

In fact, the truth is a bit more interesting. A person holding the items finds more value in it than another person in the same situation who ISN'T holding the item.

So the claim that the seller knows the value the best has some truth to it, because the seller actually holds the item. And after all, the value of the item that will eventually matter the most to the buyer is its value when owned.

Okay, I'm a geek, I'll admit it.
RE: What is an item REALLY worth?
# Nov 29 2001 at 1:39 AM Rating: Good
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Yep. You can set the price for whatever you want as the seller. Then when nobody buys it for that price they must just not understand it's value. Oh and please everyone go to EBay and take a look at the toaster that I just put up for auction. Starting bids as low as $600. I loved that toaster. Very useful indeed. And I'm sure that everyone will want it for $600 because that's what I say it's worth, and I'm the seller.

Does something seem not right here? A little silly? EQ is the same. Who here would buy my Drachnid Leg Tip for 2Kpp? Nobody. Why? Because it's not worth 2kpp TO THE BUYER, or even 100pp, not worth it. It's not a difficult concept and I'm not making fun, I'm making sense.
RE: What is an item REALLY worth?
# Nov 23 2001 at 9:41 PM Rating: Good
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If an item is worth the amount that the seller is asking, I've got a rusty longsword worth 10kpp cause thats what I'm asking. Not really, but you see the problem. The last post states the argument pretty well, I just can't believe egor made the original statement.

The value of an item, is the highest price that the market will bear. If I offer an item for sale, and nobody wants to buy it, it is not worth that much.
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RE: What is an item REALLY worth?
# Dec 01 2003 at 5:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yah, and I do believe that THAT is the truth of it all. NOBODY sells ANYTHING at ANY PRICE that NOBODY wants to PAY, and those who try simply go out of business.
RE: What is an item REALLY worth?
# Sep 25 2001 at 4:21 AM Rating: Good
That's slightly backwards.

An item is worth what SOMEONE is willing to pay for it. Not the lowest price that a potential buyer offers either, but you don't have a monopoly on item availability in EQ, so there are other sellers around.

Let me give you an example. If I try to sell one of these robes for 1kpp, because that's what it used to sell for way back when, does that make its value 1kpp? No -- because people can buy other robes for less money, even Oracle Robes, from other people.

I -could- try to sell it to a Vendor, who will offer me 5-6 PP for it. So does that make its' value 5-6 PP? Again, no.

However, if I go to EC/Gfay/Oasis or wherever, and try to sell it for about 500, I stand a decent chance of getting something like that price (most likely to be with some bartering, but still). If I offer it at 300, it'll go pretty fast. So the "value" of such a robe (on Brell at least) is somewhere between 300 and 600 - how low you choose to go will determine how fast you sell it.
RE: What is an item REALLY worth?
# Oct 11 2001 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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I have to agree that the buyer sets the price.

If an item is particularly useful but is being hawked by just about every other player you run into in NFP, the buyer can certainly command his price. Otherwise, there is another seller a few feet further on, and another, and then another still.

On the other hand, any item that goes up on the block once in a blue moon is another story. In that case, however, a buyer would still have to REALLY want to buy it to fork over the plat without even a little haggling over price.

Haggling is an integral (and arguably the most enjoyable) part of the game of buying and selling, just as a chase is usually more exciting than the catch at its conclusion. Learn to enjoy that part of the game instead of relying on pricing data on any number of web sites like this one; and use shouted PCs as more of a guide, to set the tone of the haggling, than quoted gospel.
RE: What is an item REALLY worth?
# Jan 10 2002 at 11:20 PM Rating: Default
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Actualy, you're all wrong. It's both the buyer and the seller who set the price. In Eco 101 they tell you that the equilibrium price of an item lies at the intersection of the supply and demand curve. That is, a buyer has a certain schedule of prices that they will pay for an item, and a seller has a schedule at which they will sell an item. When a seller finds a buyer who is willing to pay what he is asking, then they make the deal. That's it. If I don't offer enough for that Robe, and the seller doesn't accept my price, then I value it less than he does. When I find someone who will accept my price, then that's the price. So all this talk of what a TRUE value is is completely wrongheaded. The price of an item is what someone will pay for it and what someone will sell it for. Don't get too complicated with it.
RE: What is an item REALLY worth?
# Dec 01 2003 at 5:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's a game, dude, not REAL Economics, so Warric was trying to say that all the bartering is a game too and you can roleplay that part instead of pulling out your sliderule and getting all egghead about it
did some trading
# Aug 08 2001 at 1:55 AM Rating: Default
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Started off with 0pp on me or in bank, wanted this robe so i had some good items to trade off. gave an ice crystal staff to a guy for one of them purple mana dolls that looked like a skull in my inventory and 200pp. next i sell a DRT for a whopping 150pp! i spend 65pp for a set of icetooth claws from a close friend(they usually sell for 300pp on vallon zek). and finally i trade the icetooth claws and 200pp for the oracle robe.
#Encrypted, Posted: Aug 06 2001 at 12:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I want to buy this robe if its still for sale.
#Anonymous, Posted: Aug 01 2001 at 4:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I love this robe! I traded a Black Flowing Robe and Stien of Mogguk for The Oracle and a Mana Doll that looks like a Skull in my inventory. Forgot name of item (purple voodoo doll)already oops! The person who traded it to me paid 200pp.
money
# Aug 01 2001 at 8:39 AM Rating: Default
it is a bit costy but it doesnt really matter what anyone else says it what it sells for.
Looks
# Jul 16 2001 at 7:09 AM Rating: Default
How can no one like the looks? I'm going to buy one for the looks!!
RE: Looks
# Jun 16 2002 at 11:43 AM Rating: Default
21 posts
me too, hehe, i LOVE THIS ROBE!
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 10 2001 at 9:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) My lvl 6 high elf chanter bought it for 50pp from someone trying to get rid of it. Looks cool on high elves and now people think I'm twinked (until they see my crappy dagger and cloth armor of course :P )!
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 20 2001 at 12:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Forget about the robe...A level 6 chanter (having had to bought level 4 spells) who has 50pp lying around and I'm supposed to believe that he hasn't been twinked AT ALL?
#Anonymous, Posted: Jun 20 2001 at 12:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Forget about the robe...A level 6 chanter (having had to bought level 4 spells) who has 50pp lying and I'm supposed to believe that he hasn't been twinked AT ALL?
#Anonymous, Posted: May 26 2001 at 6:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)
stats
# May 17 2001 at 7:58 PM Rating: Default
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my robe is 9 ac, 5 wis int, 25 mana, and 7 dex..
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RE: $$COST$$
# May 14 2001 at 12:24 PM Rating: Default
This robe is worth 250pp on Xev and don't let anyone tell you different. I got one for 200pp and sold it for 250pp, I personally hated the way my Wizard looked in it so I went back to the Flowing Black Robe, hehe.
RE: $$COST$$
# Jul 13 2001 at 5:37 AM Rating: Default
Well i'm telling you different.

200p-250pp will get you an FBR, not an O-robe.

I'm a firm believer in that item value is not worth what a pricing site tells you, but what someone will pay for it.

Someone pays 500p... wow there you go, its worth 500.

However, if bargaining isn't for you, its average is around 350-400pp.
RE: $$COST$$
# Jul 23 2001 at 6:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont know how long ago this was posted but I can buy a flowing black robe for 75p and an orcale robe for around 200p. So the flowing black robe isn't with 200p and personally I wouldn't pay that much for it anyway. the orcale robe is lucky to sell for 300-350p anymore, unless someone really wants it and has money to spend, but most of us dont.
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RE: $$COST$$
# Jul 24 2001 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
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The price of an item is never fixed. The price of an item is what the buyer wants to give for it. For example, some people might wanna sell this robe for 200pp, lets say even 100pp : this does NOT mean the item is only worth 100pp, and it does NOT mean everyone who is selling it at a higher price is ripping people off. True, prices are going down fast nowadays, because more and more items are being found and people want to sell them fast. But only looking at the stats of the robe (and NOT considering how much the robe goes for on this or that server) I wouldn´t say 400pp is an unfair price.
Great looking
# May 13 2001 at 5:31 PM Rating: Default
I know a lot of people hate the way this robe looks, but I love it.. I can't wait until I can afford it or go after it. I am gearing my character towards being an Air Conjurer, so the light blue and gold is great.
Lore?
# May 13 2001 at 5:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Why is this item lore?

I find it odd, that this item is marked as lore, and the main topic is the price.
RE: Lore?
# Jul 19 2001 at 4:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Lore does NOT mean no drop. :)
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RE: Lore?
# Jul 09 2001 at 7:05 AM Rating: Default
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why do you find it odd..LORE IS NOT NO DROP you moron
#Anonymous, Posted: May 06 2001 at 9:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i have one on Druzzil, /tell Aeeriie tomarrow from 4:00PM CST to bout 9 CST
#Anonymous, Posted: May 04 2001 at 6:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If you have seen the lowest price is 490pp for the robe then how did you get it for 300pp dang you are stupid make up your mind was it 490pp or 300pp
#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 28 2001 at 10:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This robe is one ugly POS.
casting monkey
# Apr 23 2001 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
Wearing this robe and holding a fools gold stein, my monkey would look like a caster.

#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 22 2001 at 5:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I got My oracle Robe in FP for 400pp each. I am selling one of them for 400pp. If you are in Drinal Sever My name is Fellip
#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 22 2001 at 5:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I got 2 Oracle robes in freeport for 400pp. I am trying to sell one for 400pp If you are in Drinal Server My name is Fellip.
#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 20 2001 at 11:46 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) haha he is a ****
#Maldimer, Posted: Apr 19 2001 at 12:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have an oracle robe for sale on Innoruuk. This is my first time on this thing so excuse me if this is the wrong place, or Im not doing it right. lol Gpsywolf@hotmail.com is my email if you need to get ahold of me.
RE: Robe of the Oracle
# Apr 20 2001 at 2:45 AM Rating: Excellent
4 posts
Not that i mind much, but you will get better results if you use the "For Sale" tab, under "Equipment" to the left of your screen.)
Be sure to post it in the right server
Good luck
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#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 12 2001 at 4:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I didnt know the price range, and neither did the seller, so he sold it to me for 200pp and a couple of fine crafted steel waepons, later i gave him another 400pp cause i found out and felt bad. hehe crazy world.
Oracle
# Apr 12 2001 at 4:26 PM Rating: Default
I got this robe at lvl 11 , got it from a lvl 29 druid. he paid 700pp for it in FP. The crystaline robe isnt any better than the oracle and the Crystaline goes between 5k and 6k. stick with the oracle unless you need a change.
RE: Oracle
# Apr 12 2001 at 4:28 PM Rating: Default
I agree the oracle is the best unless you have the 6k to buy a crystaline robe.
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#Anonymous, Posted: Apr 09 2001 at 8:39 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) it sucks lol
#Anonymous, Posted: Feb 27 2001 at 11:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) hehe, i got this robe at lvl 6... i had a friend who kinda helped, but i had 800 pp and /auction WTB one in faymart, i offered 800... probably could of got it for 600 or 700 *sigh* oh well, its all good since i got it anyway. hey, i was just a stupid newbie, hehe, but like i said... IT IS ALL GOOD (ps anyone want this and some pp for a trade for a crystalline robe I WANT ONE OF THOSE BADLY)
$$COST$$
# Feb 26 2001 at 9:59 PM Rating: Default
I really want one of these robes. Right now I have a green silken drape, which someone will buy for 200pp, and I also have about 900pp saved up. I don't want to get ripped off...so how much is it worth, and what is a reasonable price???
RE: $$COST$$
# Feb 27 2001 at 5:30 PM Rating: Default
Hey see where it says Average Price: 665pp?
Expect to spend that much.
RE: $$COST$$
# Mar 04 2001 at 3:21 PM Rating: Default
The lowest is about 300 & STAND FIRM AT THAT PRICE. You would not believe what time will get ya. I bought my oracle for 300, sold it for 650, and just a few days ago bought a crystalline robe for 1.3k. TIME IS ON OUR SIDE!
RE: $$COST$$
# Mar 01 2001 at 8:03 PM Rating: Default
On Erolissi marr they go very commonly for 600pp I got it for 300 but someone was very generous. The lowest ive seen them for is 490
RE: $$COST$$
# Jun 09 2001 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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<nods>

As posted within the pricing information, whilst listening in on the general spam on /auc in East Commons -- the place to sell EQ on the Ayonae Ro server -- I have witnessed a dramatic price variance:

1st player /auc 800pp for the Robe. Now, I always like to listen to auction to become conversant of (1) what I should be aiming to purchase for my class, (2) and general pricing information.

10 minutes later, 2nd player /auc 400pp for the Robe!? For a non-twinked character such as myself, 400pp is quite a big variance. It definately -does- pay to bide ones time and be a little patient just to establish a *sense* of how much particular items cost in particular zones.

Note: I have heard the Robe on /auc in Kelethin for 800pp. Hmmm. Think I'll bide my time on this one, of which I have plenty whilst I raise the necessary pp to purchase this item.

riotgirl
(12 seasons fledgling Enchanter)
Ayonae Ro server
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