Raptor Hide Bracelet
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11 posts
This bracer is no longer NO DROP and has been seen selling on 7th for about 1k , very close to what sarnak bracer of honor sells for.
/agree with Bupkus. Despite what Verant may say, my chantress is hardly ever resisted except when cha falls below 195. She is even successful with yellow cons and occasional red cons.
Jala Peno, Drinal Server, 53 chantress,
175 cha unbuffed, 215 buffed
Jala Peno, Drinal Server, 53 chantress,
175 cha unbuffed, 215 buffed
12 posts
Sarnack bracer of honer 10ac 10cha ! is not lore and does not cost that much to get. The only qusetion is if the 1 cha and 35 mana are woth the 5ac you would be giveing up.
as a 57 ench i ware golden bracer 7str 7cha and sarnack bracer of honer 10ac 10cha i would b glad to ware this along side my LORE bracer of honer un till i can loot a bracer of beauty (wont pay the 15k ppl are asking) and the 11 cha would b welcom i have 235cha now and let me tell all u ench out there i dont just use cha for mezz i am a charm machine i can go solo anytime i want or need to would also b trading 7 int for 11cha that would alow me to take off my sirans hair hood 13cha and ware my runed cowl 9int or keep both on and have 194 int 246cha or just have an 11 cha bracer to play with stats to see what i can come up with very rarely do i die OOM so int is not my main consernHP sould be but hay hehe having an uber cha is kinda kool and fun for me and that is all that matters and come on guys fun is all this thing is about right? well there is my book for the night i guess i should log in and get to grinding uhh LOL or having fun i mean (=
Zaphod 57 ench nameless (=
Zaphod 57 ench nameless (=
34 posts
Heh, looted one with my 34 ench.
YOU ARE NOT OF SUFFICIENT LEVEL TO EQUIP THIS ITEM!
Try to equip it:
Your Class, race, deity, et cetera does not allow . . .
Gee, lil different from the UP stuff for sure, Verant is still experimenting.
YOU ARE NOT OF SUFFICIENT LEVEL TO EQUIP THIS ITEM!
Try to equip it:
Your Class, race, deity, et cetera does not allow . . .
Gee, lil different from the UP stuff for sure, Verant is still experimenting.
--Wodaman Windrunner--
I wont go out of my way to get it. But if Im there and can get 1 or better yet I can get 2 (Youll notice its not lore) For a total of 10ac 22char 70mana I can then trade out some other Item and replace it with a resist item. All in all its not bad, but I have to agree if its dropping in a Lvl 55 zone then it could be a little better.
39 posts
OK, I've never seen a worse case of Risk = Reward yet. This is by far the worst Enc bracer (or all / all bracer) that I can think ever dropped in a 55+ zone. Sarnak Bracer of Honor was kinda crap, but it at least had a high AC and 10 HP. This is just plain horrible. You would think VI would clue in by now...we want HP and AC, not Cha.
Cennyan Evalion
L60 Chanter of The Nameless
Cennyan Evalion
L60 Chanter of The Nameless
I suppose there are those enchanters out there who are willing to sacrifice reliability for durability, and who prefer hp/ac over cha/mana. Personally, I think it's utter foolishness, but to each his own.
The major downfall of the Sarnak Bracer of Honor was its lack of mana (though it has impressive AC, its hp bonus is unimpressive). The Raptor Hide Bracelet provides 35 mana (and an extra point of charisma) at the cost of 5 AC and 10 hps. For charisma enchanters, it's a great potential boon as every point of extra charisma allows extra flexibility.
I would suggest to those of you who "want HP and AC": look into creating a warrior or a bard. Enchanting is about skill, grace and finesse, not tanking through one's resisted mezes.
The major downfall of the Sarnak Bracer of Honor was its lack of mana (though it has impressive AC, its hp bonus is unimpressive). The Raptor Hide Bracelet provides 35 mana (and an extra point of charisma) at the cost of 5 AC and 10 hps. For charisma enchanters, it's a great potential boon as every point of extra charisma allows extra flexibility.
I would suggest to those of you who "want HP and AC": look into creating a warrior or a bard. Enchanting is about skill, grace and finesse, not tanking through one's resisted mezes.
2 posts
Prefering ac/hp over cha/mana as utter fooliness? Now that in itself is an exceedingly foolish statement. Consider the facts, from one Master Phantasmist to another.
A chanter who is doing their job properly in a challenging camp WILL get resists on mezzes, tash a little early, slow a little early, and hence will be attacked by one or many mobs. Now if you want to have a greater chance of dying in this situations, and consider that 'graceful', thats your perogative, but your group depends on you for survival. AC makes a HUGE difference in how long you will last, especially against mobs hitting upwards of 200.
Even if you are so exceedingly careful that you are rarely getting hit, well then you are neglecting another chanter duty -- that is pulling. Except in situations of extreme danger, a chanter is the best puller, even over a monk. Why? Chanters can keep a steady stream of mobs coming in and parked, ready to be killed as the preceding one dies. This does not detract from the overall DPS of the group, and unless you have a cleric pulling, no other class offers this benefit.
Now, if you are pulling, you WILL get hit plenty, which is why ac and hp are critical.
Consider also end-game encounters, where you are getting hit with 600+ AoE nukes. HP not important here? Sure, if you have no problem with dying.
Now lets look at what you propose are the two most important stats for a chanter, cha and mana.
Does a Master Phantasmist need cha, ever? No, because they have dire charm, which is far superior to any other charm, and is unresistable (except against mobs who have an uncharmable tag).
So, cha is completely and UTTERLY useless. Unless you can offer some solid evidence that it helps lower resist rates on mezz, which I am quite confident it does not, your point was a completely ignorant one.
And mana? Well, a mana pool serves only one purpose for an enchanter, that is to have a few extra mezzes left over when your party is besieged by a large number of mobs. How often does that happen? Maybe once a week, for me. And even if you are swarmed, as a Master Phantasmist you can use Gather Mana, and your bar is instantly refilled.
I hope this puts an end to foolish notions sustained by individuals lilke Maldisdain who obviously have not put much thought into the roles of their class.
Master Mordwyn Shadeweaver of Tarew Marr
Oathsworn
A chanter who is doing their job properly in a challenging camp WILL get resists on mezzes, tash a little early, slow a little early, and hence will be attacked by one or many mobs. Now if you want to have a greater chance of dying in this situations, and consider that 'graceful', thats your perogative, but your group depends on you for survival. AC makes a HUGE difference in how long you will last, especially against mobs hitting upwards of 200.
Even if you are so exceedingly careful that you are rarely getting hit, well then you are neglecting another chanter duty -- that is pulling. Except in situations of extreme danger, a chanter is the best puller, even over a monk. Why? Chanters can keep a steady stream of mobs coming in and parked, ready to be killed as the preceding one dies. This does not detract from the overall DPS of the group, and unless you have a cleric pulling, no other class offers this benefit.
Now, if you are pulling, you WILL get hit plenty, which is why ac and hp are critical.
Consider also end-game encounters, where you are getting hit with 600+ AoE nukes. HP not important here? Sure, if you have no problem with dying.
Now lets look at what you propose are the two most important stats for a chanter, cha and mana.
Does a Master Phantasmist need cha, ever? No, because they have dire charm, which is far superior to any other charm, and is unresistable (except against mobs who have an uncharmable tag).
So, cha is completely and UTTERLY useless. Unless you can offer some solid evidence that it helps lower resist rates on mezz, which I am quite confident it does not, your point was a completely ignorant one.
And mana? Well, a mana pool serves only one purpose for an enchanter, that is to have a few extra mezzes left over when your party is besieged by a large number of mobs. How often does that happen? Maybe once a week, for me. And even if you are swarmed, as a Master Phantasmist you can use Gather Mana, and your bar is instantly refilled.
I hope this puts an end to foolish notions sustained by individuals lilke Maldisdain who obviously have not put much thought into the roles of their class.
Master Mordwyn Shadeweaver of Tarew Marr
Oathsworn
Scholar
45 posts
My god, do you think everyone is a lvl 60 enchanter with dire charm and gather mana? If you are then yes the bracer may not be for you but if you aren't I would think that this could be a nice addition to your equipment.
What irritates me really is that most rants like this are based on the assumption that all enchanters automatically have 20k in the bank, equipment that is godlike and stats that are so maxed out you have to let that +20int bracer rot.
I appreciate the "finess" example because some of us have to squeeze by with ok to mediocre equipment and use a little more strategy then the run in head first.
I do agree with mana not being a prequisite for enchanters though. It can get tough sometimes when every tank wants the 16min haste and the casters are screaming for clarity but if a enchanter is finding themselves oom alot they should try changing tactics. If you have wandering mind, USE IT, been grouped with too many enchanter that have it but say they don't like using it. (I just about slap them when they say they are oom). And if you don't have it well not every battle requires you to do something. I've medded through several battles cause there was only one monster and watch all the other casters oom themselves trying to show thier uselfullness. If only groups would work out thier strategy on killing before they start all doing thier own thing it might save a lot of time and mana but then again I have yet to meet another player that wants to hear what I have to say about how they are playing =P
And I never really put much thought into the pulling method but after thinking about it that is an excellent idea. An enchanter really isn't doing much at higher lvls other than mezzing crap so why not just keep pulling while the tanks kill what you bring. Hopefully you can pull a caster in to mana tap if it gets hard but i think with a little practice an enchanter would be awesome.
Edited, Tue May 7 07:02:17 2002
What irritates me really is that most rants like this are based on the assumption that all enchanters automatically have 20k in the bank, equipment that is godlike and stats that are so maxed out you have to let that +20int bracer rot.
I appreciate the "finess" example because some of us have to squeeze by with ok to mediocre equipment and use a little more strategy then the run in head first.
I do agree with mana not being a prequisite for enchanters though. It can get tough sometimes when every tank wants the 16min haste and the casters are screaming for clarity but if a enchanter is finding themselves oom alot they should try changing tactics. If you have wandering mind, USE IT, been grouped with too many enchanter that have it but say they don't like using it. (I just about slap them when they say they are oom). And if you don't have it well not every battle requires you to do something. I've medded through several battles cause there was only one monster and watch all the other casters oom themselves trying to show thier uselfullness. If only groups would work out thier strategy on killing before they start all doing thier own thing it might save a lot of time and mana but then again I have yet to meet another player that wants to hear what I have to say about how they are playing =P
And I never really put much thought into the pulling method but after thinking about it that is an excellent idea. An enchanter really isn't doing much at higher lvls other than mezzing crap so why not just keep pulling while the tanks kill what you bring. Hopefully you can pull a caster in to mana tap if it gets hard but i think with a little practice an enchanter would be awesome.
Edited, Tue May 7 07:02:17 2002
38 posts
In my experiences, cha has very little bering on mez resist checks. I've done many naked CR's on South Wing in Howling Stones, and have never noticed any resists out of the ordinary. My cha with gear and Overwhelming Splendor is over 200, naked, it's 120, 170 with OS. I wouldn't trade my Bracelet of Quiessence or my 5int/wis 25mana bracer for this. My suggestion, get to 200cha buffed, but keep int/mana as a priority. Mez resists won't make much different with the 11cha this bracer adds.
38 posts
I should say, at the level you would have to be to see this drop, chances are likely you'll have something much better. And, with enchanters, the need for cha gear decreases as you get bigger cha buffs. At level 50, most enchanters should be able to get 160cha at least, without any cha gear, and just using the buff. There are many other items out there that will give you 200+ cha buffed, with only using a few of them. Just look around, and you can easily find 30-40cha in just a few items. I guess if you can't get to over 200cha by the time you get to the level to fight in new CT, this is a good bracer, if not, there are much better things out there from a mana/resist perspective. For an enchanter, int, mana, hp, or resists > cha. Charisma is the last of 5 stats you should look at, in my opinion.
28 posts
Nice upgrade for the Sarnak Bracer of Honor, but not even close to the Braclet of Beauty. None the less, nice bracelet.
Awesome cha gear... Makes a good replacement for golden cats eye. :)
35 posts
IT HAS ZERO WEIGHT ITS A MONK ITEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If someone complains about all these new Cazic Thule Items with uber ratios or lightweight and monks not being able to use them, they should just grow up, cuz you know who is getting the shaft now?
Druids and Mages are getting the shaft, and a little the Rangers (BTW ranger's do NOT suck, but they are paper tanks I have to admit) because of Verant being lazy and making uber plate armor ranger useable then changing it midstream, thats just bad form.
Anyways i don't want to rant about class imbalances, there are other places for that.
Good bracelet for mezzing
If someone complains about all these new Cazic Thule Items with uber ratios or lightweight and monks not being able to use them, they should just grow up, cuz you know who is getting the shaft now?
Druids and Mages are getting the shaft, and a little the Rangers (BTW ranger's do NOT suck, but they are paper tanks I have to admit) because of Verant being lazy and making uber plate armor ranger useable then changing it midstream, thats just bad form.
Anyways i don't want to rant about class imbalances, there are other places for that.
Good bracelet for mezzing
6 posts
I don't really see any use for this braclet at the level to attain it? Cha has little if barely any effect on mezzing / charming verant even came out and said so its like for every 5 cha you have a chance of mezzes/charms to last 1 percent longer... I'd perfer much to have a BD Braclet over this unless I don't need the resists at the time for some reason , then I'd go for more mana.
1) You have never played a chanter beyond level 12 or so.
2) All mezzes last full duration EVERY time unless broken by someone like yourself.
3) Since your profile lists you as a 60SK with 500,000pp and 1900AC and 255 to all resists, you prolly wouldnt wear this =)
4) Cha has a huge effect on the initial resist check for mezzes. Try mezzing on a CR with no gear and base cha of 130... resists go way up.
nice chanter item
2) All mezzes last full duration EVERY time unless broken by someone like yourself.
3) Since your profile lists you as a 60SK with 500,000pp and 1900AC and 255 to all resists, you prolly wouldnt wear this =)
4) Cha has a huge effect on the initial resist check for mezzes. Try mezzing on a CR with no gear and base cha of 130... resists go way up.
nice chanter item
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