This is the faction list that is often used, can't confirm the ranges myself. 1 points represents 1 normal kill. Depending on faction you are working on you MAY get more points from 1 kill. (e.g. raid mobs and such).
Ally = 1450 to 2500
Warmly = 1100 to 1450
Kindly = 750 to 1100
Amiable = 150 to 750
Indifferent = 0 to 150
Apprehensive = 0 to -150
Dubious = -150 to -750
Threateningly = -750 to -1100
Ready to Attack = -1100 to -2500
Dranik Loyalists
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The original list is:
-2000 to -726, scowls
-725 to -501, threatening
-500 to -101, dubious
-100 to -1, apprehensive
0 to 99, indifferent
100 to 499, amiable
500 to 699, kindly
700 to 1099, warmly
1100 to 2000, ally
These were the values as discovered using SEQ, before it was nerfed a couple years back. These values were the physical numbers as stored on the server and did not reflect a "per-kill" value. The "base" faction is often 1, but does not necissarly mean all are. It is possible these values have changed in the years, but these values were definalty confirmed at one point.
-2000 to -726, scowls
-725 to -501, threatening
-500 to -101, dubious
-100 to -1, apprehensive
0 to 99, indifferent
100 to 499, amiable
500 to 699, kindly
700 to 1099, warmly
1100 to 2000, ally
These were the values as discovered using SEQ, before it was nerfed a couple years back. These values were the physical numbers as stored on the server and did not reflect a "per-kill" value. The "base" faction is often 1, but does not necissarly mean all are. It is possible these values have changed in the years, but these values were definalty confirmed at one point.
I've seen a different list, and this has always seemed to work for me, but I haven't counted closely enough to say conclusively which is right. I am reasonably sure that Apprehensive is only 100 hits though...
Ally : 1100 to 2800
Warmly : 750 to 1099
Kindly : 500 to 749
Amiable : 100 to 499
Indifferent : 0 to 99
Apprehensive : -100 to -1
Dubious: -500 to -101
Threatening: -750 to -501
Scowls: -2800 to -751
Edited, Mon Feb 28 10:09:28 2005
Ally : 1100 to 2800
Warmly : 750 to 1099
Kindly : 500 to 749
Amiable : 100 to 499
Indifferent : 0 to 99
Apprehensive : -100 to -1
Dubious: -500 to -101
Threatening: -750 to -501
Scowls: -2800 to -751
Edited, Mon Feb 28 10:09:28 2005
Scholar
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This seems to be the one to go by if my experience is accurate.
I counted my kills going from Amiable to Kindly: 381 normal kills, 8 named kills. So roughly 400 to go from Amiable to Warmly which would seem to agree with the list Miakiss posted.
Edited, Sat Oct 15 00:09:46 2005
I counted my kills going from Amiable to Kindly: 381 normal kills, 8 named kills. So roughly 400 to go from Amiable to Warmly which would seem to agree with the list Miakiss posted.
Edited, Sat Oct 15 00:09:46 2005
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I have been killing in DS for 2 days. This may not seem long, but they have been 2 12 hour days. Killing only Noc, Kyv and Ukun and almost non stop killing, I have yet to get out of Threatening. Every person I talk to says I should be at least indiff by now, as I have kept count and am at 1127 kills with positive Faction hits for loyalists. Any clue what is wrong?
The range from max KOS to theatening is huge (over 2000 hits), so it depends on how far into KOS one starts. From what I have read it seems as though it's around 1000 below threatening.
I think threatening to dubious is around 250 hits, so you should get there soon.
Correction to the above:
I've started on this myself and have been logging my faction hits.
After 600 hits I am at dubious, so the starting faction must be higher than I thought. I'm not sure why you are still threatening, unless different races/religions/classes have different base factions (which seems unlikely), or I have been getting more than one faction hit per kill in The Bloodfields (also unlikely).
Another possibility is that the named give bigger hits. I have killed around 12 named as part of those 600 hits.
Edit - Finally hit Warmly. It was around 1600 faction hits altogether.
Edited, Thu Apr 21 06:36:13 2005
I think threatening to dubious is around 250 hits, so you should get there soon.
Correction to the above:
I've started on this myself and have been logging my faction hits.
After 600 hits I am at dubious, so the starting faction must be higher than I thought. I'm not sure why you are still threatening, unless different races/religions/classes have different base factions (which seems unlikely), or I have been getting more than one faction hit per kill in The Bloodfields (also unlikely).
Another possibility is that the named give bigger hits. I have killed around 12 named as part of those 600 hits.
Edit - Finally hit Warmly. It was around 1600 faction hits altogether.
Edited, Thu Apr 21 06:36:13 2005
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I have discovered a beutiful little loop to get good faction and staying busy at the same time . upon approaching the bloodfields up that huge hill ....run to the right before first small tunnel entr and kill 5 on right side ...can all be single pulled..then run thru tunnel and kill 3 on left then 4 on right....turn around go back out and kill 2 on right as you leave then around corner on the outside to corner is a posted kyv then follow wall an find 4-5 walkers and 2 more posted ......return to first point i mentioned and start over ...i have been doing this loop now for a cpl days and went form scowls to dubios in 3 days bout 2-3 hours each day ..its about a 20 mob loop and respawns start almost immediately if not already waiting for you when you get back...hope this helps ...any new factioners who always miss raids and what not due to scheduling.
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I have discovered a beutiful little loop to get good faction and staying busy at the same time . upon approaching the bloodfields up that huge hill ....run to the right before first small tunnel entr and kill 5 on right side ...can all be single pulled..then run thru tunnel and kill 3 on left then 4 on right....turn around go back out and kill 2 on right as you leave then around corner on the outside to corner is a posted kyv then follow wall an find 4-5 walkers and 2 more posted ......return to first point i mentioned and start over ...i have been doing this loop now for a cpl days and went form scowls to dubios in 3 days bout 2-3 hours each day ..its about a 20 mob loop and respawns start almost immediately if not already waiting for you when you get back...hope this helps ...any new factioners who always miss raids and what not due to scheduling.
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That should of been titled "Faction Raids". I hope this helps. I have recently been in two faction raids. I found that if you go to Dranicks Scar, where mobs are lower levels (40-55), that you can raid form with several grps, and be killing 8 to 20 of these mobs at once. We had, on Christmass day on Fennin Ro, 3 groups for about 4 hours. We had 3 full time pullers. Pullers would wack each mob one time each, pull to grp, then go get more. The loot drops for augs was good, as was the loot for tribute. We were getting about 30 faction hits to 50 hits an hour I think. In 9 hours of raiding, in two groups, I went from Threatening to Apprehensive. In about 5 more hours of raiding like this, I went from Apprehensive to Amiably. Now I still have to go through Amiably to kindly, then into warmly for Exp armor and to Ally for Raid armor. I am guessing that it takes 3700 to 4000 of the right kind of mobs, which on average gives about 2400 faction messages. I think that is how many faction hits you need to go from KoS to Ally.
Edited, Mon Dec 27 04:15:03 2004
Edited, Mon Dec 27 04:15:03 2004
Here is a link to an interesting faction discussion on EQLive forums...
http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=TNZ&message.id=94980&highlight=faction#M94980
Edited, Fri Dec 10 22:08:37 2004
http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=TNZ&message.id=94980&highlight=faction#M94980
Edited, Fri Dec 10 22:08:37 2004
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Posted: Dec 09 2004 at 9:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The difficulty of raising faction here is retarded man. That's all I have to say.
i also am working this loyalist faction (made it to kindly so far) and the only other faction ive worked is cov.
my question is this.....does the level of the mobs your killing make a difference as far as how much you gain?
my question is this.....does the level of the mobs your killing make a difference as far as how much you gain?
I am not sure, but it seems my faction went a WHOLE HECK OF A LOT FASTER in MPG than it did in DS/RCoD/NC. So I think the level of mob does effect your faction hits.
no the lvl does not matter, only chance of that is if it is a raid encounter. somtimes that give more faction but as far as normal mobs go no it all the same.
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I have worked on this for a while now. I have plowed D.S, WoS, MPG and Rift. I can't seem to get past Amiably.
The message I get when I hail is.
"My Kin whisper that you have come to make a stand against the Muramites? Is this true? Hmm, I'm not so sure. Return when you have proven your conviction."
Is it possible I am missing something here or do I need to kill more mobs?
Thanks
The message I get when I hail is.
"My Kin whisper that you have come to make a stand against the Muramites? Is this true? Hmm, I'm not so sure. Return when you have proven your conviction."
Is it possible I am missing something here or do I need to kill more mobs?
Thanks
Every time you kill somthing and it says your faction got better.... then it is still going up. even if it takes a long time to get up to another con its still working on it so keep killing till it says your faction can not get any better. The quest do help to but the killing will get you there
Try doing faction building quests like turning in kyv hearts too. Quests usually give better faction than just killin' things.
Keep at it. Guildie got his up to warmly about a week ago. We are both DE Necros so this gives me hope that it is doable.
I have been working on mine for a month. Probably got about 40 hours, easy, and I'm still amiable. Saturday I spent 6 hours tagging some other groups mobs in DS. I went from Indiffernet to Amiable. Yesterday I put in 7.5 hours in Bloodlands with a full group clearing one whole side of the zone. We went up and down the road clearning everything (3 named camps). My faction never moved off amiable but I sense Kindly is just a few hours away. I'll probably spend all day/night Friday (Thanksgiving holiday) farming faction.
This is the first time I have ever farmed faction and believe me it is very discouraging! Keep at it and good luck.
I have been working on mine for a month. Probably got about 40 hours, easy, and I'm still amiable. Saturday I spent 6 hours tagging some other groups mobs in DS. I went from Indiffernet to Amiable. Yesterday I put in 7.5 hours in Bloodlands with a full group clearing one whole side of the zone. We went up and down the road clearning everything (3 named camps). My faction never moved off amiable but I sense Kindly is just a few hours away. I'll probably spend all day/night Friday (Thanksgiving holiday) farming faction.
This is the first time I have ever farmed faction and believe me it is very discouraging! Keep at it and good luck.
The zone was actually "The Bloodfields" ( http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?zone=260 ) that you were in. I have been grouping there recently and it seems a good majority of the mobs have Loyalists factions:
Ikaavs, the golem looking mobs, etc.
A Noc Darklurch 60 - 62 Monster
A Noc Flashblade 61 - 61 Monster
A Subjugated Stoneworker 63 - 63 Monster
A Twisted Stoneworker 63 - 63 Monster
An Elite Ikaav Detainer 70 - 70 Monster
An Enslaved Earthmover 68 - 68 Monster
An Ikaav Deathbeckoner 69 - 69 Monster
An Ukun Slaughterhound 65 - 65 Monster
as well as many others I am sure, cannot recall all names atm, very tired, lol
Edited, Mon Nov 29 13:12:12 2004
Ikaavs, the golem looking mobs, etc.
A Noc Darklurch 60 - 62 Monster
A Noc Flashblade 61 - 61 Monster
A Subjugated Stoneworker 63 - 63 Monster
A Twisted Stoneworker 63 - 63 Monster
An Elite Ikaav Detainer 70 - 70 Monster
An Enslaved Earthmover 68 - 68 Monster
An Ikaav Deathbeckoner 69 - 69 Monster
An Ukun Slaughterhound 65 - 65 Monster
as well as many others I am sure, cannot recall all names atm, very tired, lol
Edited, Mon Nov 29 13:12:12 2004
just keep at it - the faction has a HUGE range - so it takes a long time to raise it.
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I didn't time it or anything but i think it took about 50 hours of pretty steady killing of loyalist rasing faction mobs to get to warmly. Again total estimate but it gives you an idea. Most of this fighting was done in RCoD with some in NC and the instanced zones.
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A huvul strategist raises loyalist faction also
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RCOD gives good DL faction as well.. all mobs in there pretty much
Ive been solo'ing in NC quite a bit, it seems that most every dragorn I have killed there gave me a positive loyalist faction hit.
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i think killing named or high lvl noc kyv and ukun (like in mpg)is better efficient for faction
best camp i do for the moment is noth wall in wos
best camp i do for the moment is noth wall in wos
Except on my server there's someone at that camp 24/7.....
Raising this faction is not for the faint of heart.
I spent nearly 2 weeks factioning in Draniks Scar (Noc, Kyv and Ukun - any type). At the same time avoiding Dragorn as much as possible. <edit: Dragorn in other zones may give positive Dranik Loyalists faction>
Kyv Hearts run about 52p off NPC sellbacks and Seeping Murkglider Fluid is 200p. These are SMALL faction hits (teeny-tiny in fact). So while the faction is cumulative, I wouldnt waste the money, its faster to kill.
KOS NPC with Faction Quests:
Draniks Scar: Vorskahn - Have a Heart
Nobles Causeway: Gorvoroth - Thin out the Murkgliders
Wall of Slaughter: Jarekiv - Collect Feran Skulls
Wall of slaughter: Verow - Retrieve the Insignia Crests
Warmly NPC with General Quests:
Draniks Scar: Bolodakan
Draniks Scar: Kirostall
Wall of Slaughter: Sandak
Ruined City of Dranik: Jurrock
Warmly needed - Teir 1 armor quests
Draniks Scar: Shorvock - Chain Armor
Nobles Causeway: Vorkiev - Plate Armor
Wall of Slaughter: Korshawn - Silk Armor
The Bloodfields: Barowsar - Leather Armor
ALLY needed - Tier 2 armor quests:
Draniks Scar: Tibor - Chain Armor
Nobles Causeway: Nerask - Silk Armor
Wall of Slaughter: Trelak - Plate Armor
The Bloodfields: Lenarsk - Leather Armor
Faction Progression
Ready to Attack
Threateningly
Dubious
Apprehensive
Indifferent
Amiable
Kindly
Warmly
Ally
Edited, Fri Dec 17 02:19:58 2004
I spent nearly 2 weeks factioning in Draniks Scar (Noc, Kyv and Ukun - any type). At the same time avoiding Dragorn as much as possible. <edit: Dragorn in other zones may give positive Dranik Loyalists faction>
Kyv Hearts run about 52p off NPC sellbacks and Seeping Murkglider Fluid is 200p. These are SMALL faction hits (teeny-tiny in fact). So while the faction is cumulative, I wouldnt waste the money, its faster to kill.
KOS NPC with Faction Quests:
Draniks Scar: Vorskahn - Have a Heart
Nobles Causeway: Gorvoroth - Thin out the Murkgliders
Wall of Slaughter: Jarekiv - Collect Feran Skulls
Wall of slaughter: Verow - Retrieve the Insignia Crests
Warmly NPC with General Quests:
Draniks Scar: Bolodakan
Draniks Scar: Kirostall
Wall of Slaughter: Sandak
Ruined City of Dranik: Jurrock
Warmly needed - Teir 1 armor quests
Draniks Scar: Shorvock - Chain Armor
Nobles Causeway: Vorkiev - Plate Armor
Wall of Slaughter: Korshawn - Silk Armor
The Bloodfields: Barowsar - Leather Armor
ALLY needed - Tier 2 armor quests:
Draniks Scar: Tibor - Chain Armor
Nobles Causeway: Nerask - Silk Armor
Wall of Slaughter: Trelak - Plate Armor
The Bloodfields: Lenarsk - Leather Armor
Faction Progression
Ready to Attack
Threateningly
Dubious
Apprehensive
Indifferent
Amiable
Kindly
Warmly
Ally
Edited, Fri Dec 17 02:19:58 2004
although sometimes you look out from the east wall and see nothing but dragorn so it makes it easier especially if your in a group to thin out and kill everything even rats and murkgliders. if your group kills fast then kill all the green and LB crap in the zone or go up to bloodfields zone line where they are LB to 65 only probem with up there that big ukun spawns and is a named WOS mob like hitter hit me in the 1000's and 900's i believe. maybe i'll get a group together of guildies in the higher levels that want faction and just clear out all the greenies in the vally
Why are you avoiding the dragorns? I've yet to kill a dragorn who lowered my faction. We are seeing the dragorns who sold out to the invading army.
If he was hunting in Dranik's Scar it would have been inefficient to kill dragorn because the dragorn in this zone do not give positive or negative faction hits to loyalists making killing them a waste of time.
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Naturewalker of the 67th Season
Brell Serilis
Scholar
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It's true dragorns give no positive or negative draniks loyalist faction, but you'll still be needing to clear them out eventually if you keep wanting to kill kyv's, noc's, and ukun's, because eventually all mobs will repop as dragorns if you keep avoiding them, then there will be nothing but a field of roving dragorns.
Usually a good idea to get a small group together, 2-4 people (full group is fine too but its usually hard to find 6 people wanting to work on faction at the same time), and just kill all mobs you see, doing it that way you will see even more of the faction mobs because your not tip-toeing around the zone avoiding dragorns, making long pulls, or waiting a long time for a dragorn to roam away so you can pull a kyv or something.
But I would agree, the best place to faction is in draniks scar up near the bloodfield zones, nearly ALL mobs up there are noc, kyv, and ukuns, they are low level, die quickly, and respawn fast.
Usually a good idea to get a small group together, 2-4 people (full group is fine too but its usually hard to find 6 people wanting to work on faction at the same time), and just kill all mobs you see, doing it that way you will see even more of the faction mobs because your not tip-toeing around the zone avoiding dragorns, making long pulls, or waiting a long time for a dragorn to roam away so you can pull a kyv or something.
But I would agree, the best place to faction is in draniks scar up near the bloodfield zones, nearly ALL mobs up there are noc, kyv, and ukuns, they are low level, die quickly, and respawn fast.
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> It's true dragorns give no positive or negative draniks loyalist faction
Not correct... Depends on zone, I'm assuming you are only talking about DS, cause in Causeway the dragorns give positive loyalist faction
Not correct... Depends on zone, I'm assuming you are only talking about DS, cause in Causeway the dragorns give positive loyalist faction
NT- double post
Edited, Fri Nov 12 00:31:35 2004
Edited, Fri Nov 12 00:31:35 2004
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