Classes: The Shadowknight

Shadowknights - The evil warriors. A combination of fighter and necromancer, the shadowknight is a complex class to develop and play correctly.

What is the best strategy to develop and play your shadowknight? Can the shadowknight solo, and if so how? How should you play a shadowknight in a group? What skills and spells are the most and least useful for the shadowknight? What items should you be seeking for your shadowknight?

Post your strategies on how to best play and develop the Shadowknight and read, rate and comment on what others have to say

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#1 Feb 27 2005 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
Ok, since no one seems to know about the OT hammer and eigther the site is down or alla doesn't know much about it here's how you get a free gate item you can use as many times as you want.
For this you need kindly (or maybe better) faction which is some screwed up name but con the cliff golems in the "overthere" to find out. There is only one way to get this faction up and it takes ALOT of turn ins but at least the mobs are easy to spot and easy to kill.
Step 1. seek and destroy
Your first mission is to eliminate any sarnak BERZERKERS you can find. The item of interest is the sarnak war braid these creatures at times posses which you will be able to spot a zone away as a chicken/reptile thingy holding a whip. Collect an ungodly amount of these and report back.
Good job now you're ready for opperation "Get behind the Darky". For this next step you'll need to bug a shaman until he /ignores you or makes you a dark elf potion if you con ready to attack to the cliff golems. Doing so will make you apprenesive to captain rottgrime and all the other Kommies in the enemy encampment. Find this captain the drop off, now he may try to bribe you with goods and uber loots simply laugh in his face as you destroy his sad attemp. After tricking the enemy into regarding you amoungst there own it's time for your final task.
Finally the fruits of your labor are within grasp. Find an operative we've placed inside the camp for your reward. Seek out an undead foreman who will ask you for 2 jade for confirmation of the job completed he in return will hand you a hammer that will port you to him incase you recieve anymore intelligence. This is your mission, you will complete it because I have trained you well. good luck soldier.
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#2 Feb 27 2005 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
1. /loc of 'ole rottgrime 2480.82,2131.30
2. /loc of foreman 2380.19,3304.65
3. /loc of best place to find braids -1740.60,845.34
4. keep your eyes open for dragoons, killing them is a bad thing.
5. If your toon has exp'ed in keasora it may be a bit harder to get your faction because everything in there is BAD FACTION.
6. BIG NOTE: If you con scowls at begging and use the illusion trick you will not see your present faction UNLESS you're in illusion which means regardless your faction with illusion you are KOS without.
7. This hammer will port you to a safe palce inside the city and you will have to invis and run out or train. (Some dragoons summon) You will be ported to a boat near the foreman next to an indif mob. Run off the boat TO THE RIGHT and go behind foreman and stay far away from fort while running from foreman to book if you are KoS, the captain and his pals will attack if you're too close.
8. No there is no faster way to get faction
9. Yes, this is very worth doing. I know being a beastlord how it feels to be the only one that has to run all the way back while others are waiting in PoK.
10. This is a long quest and the hammer procs at lvl 50 but you save alot of plat on potions (unless you have to buy invis, even then 12plat is better than 1K) and yes the gate IS A PROC so you'll have to be hitting something for it to kick in and with a delay of 50 I hope you have haste. I found just asking someone in group to duel you usually isn't a problem then it's just the matter of watching you try for 2 min's to get this stupid hammer to proc. Though once you have it it will put a smile on your face when you're stuck somewhere and get a free ride home, I've had mine since lvl 53 and have loved it ever since.
11. The hammer is giant so you'll need a bag that can handle it
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#3 Mar 02 2005 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default
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Dude, ur an idiot.

First of all, OT hammer is not the correct item name. Look for the Worker Sledgemallet. Second, if u try this method as a SK u will get creamed (which make me mad). Some SK's dieties will not allow u to get good faction without collecting more brades then ur inventory (to include ur bank slots) will allow.

There is really only one LEGAL way for an SK to get the OT hammer.

One - u need this >>Puppet Strings<<.
Two - A high Level debuffer (most notably a Enchanter)
Three - A Jade (I would have 2 just in case), purchasable from the bazaar for around 5-6 pp.
Four - And a few high lvl dudes to help take care of possible adds from the guards (dont kill them, just have them keep em occupied).

You will have to pull the undead foreman and tash him down so that ur SK can use puppet strings on him. Adds 'MAY' follow (depending where u pull him to), as SoE seems to have increased social agro within this area.

It will probably take a couple of tries to get the charm to stick. When it does, u should get an amiable con. When u do, start this turn in script...

“Hail, an Undead Foreman”

An undead foreman turns to face you. You can see a faint green glow eminating from his vacant eye sockets. “Are you a [new worker]? Huh? Speak or go!!”

You say “I am a new worker”

An undead foreman says “Hmmph!! Too much flesh!! If you want to work you must first fill my eye sockets with my favorite gem. This shall be your payment for your sledgehammer”

(Hand the undead foreman one Jade)

An undead foreman places the gem deep into his hollow eye socket. He pulls a giant sledgehammer from thin air and hands it to you. “Here!! You shall be assigned to the lower decks of the Scaled Trident”

I cant believe u posted this on the SK forum. The braid turn-in is useless for an SK (haha, u could of did a jade turn-in in 5 min), as u cannot even turn in braids without getting attacked by undead foreman. Ur diety allegience will fek up any attempt to use illusion for a turn in (even when trying the jade turn-in shortcut). Works well if ur AGNOSTIC, otherwise forget it!

If you dont know anything about SK's, dont post info that gets us killed (go back to the BST forum).


Edited, Wed Mar 2 13:43:30 2005 by Necrophobe
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#4 Mar 02 2005 at 5:09 PM Rating: Decent
Well incase you didn't notice (about the fake name) I'm not systematiclly breaking down the EXACT quest I'm TRYING TO HELP by giving you the info you need to get it. And also as a vah shir (which is racially Non-KoS to everyone but iksars) It took me an extreme amount of braids to get the faction so that's not an SK thing, it's just normal. Finally If you care enough to flame someone but dont care enough to post info that helps then you obviously have problems. Good-day sir
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#5 Mar 02 2005 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
btw, if you're stupid enough not to con something that was just KoS a second ago happy loading
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And also as a vah shir (which is racially Non-KoS to everyone but iksars) It took me an extreme amount of braids to get the faction


Exactly, I'll bet ur agnostic too. U cant even do a braid turn in as an SK (if ur a DE SK, this is not a problem) or ESPECIALLY paladin (of whom u spammed this message info also). Bards can get an OT hammer as low as lvl 16 with little effort.

U spent a billion hours collecting braids as a Beastlord. I would say this information is best for (insert obvious class here). Do not for a second think what applies for ur BL applies to all classes. For this, u deserve to be flamed (and this is what SK's r best at).

Not being exact about a quest is a huge waste of many peeps time. The information you have is accurate, if u wanted to do things the hard way as a Beastlord. The information u gave us, Pally's, Bards, Rangers and Monks (why u didnt spam warriors /boggle - lucky them) didnt apply, and would kill the toon attemptin it in most cases.

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Finally If you care enough to flame someone but dont care enough to post info that helps then you obviously have problems. Good-day sir


You must not have read past "Dude, ur an idiot" or you would have noticed the information I posted (which is correct for ANY KOS class to get the Workers Sledgemallet).

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Edited, Wed Mar 2 17:44:58 2005 by Necrophobe
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#7 Mar 08 2005 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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This quest can be done by Sk's with Sarnak Braids. My 46 SK completed this quest by himself with only doing braid hand-ins. Ok, I turned in close to 200 braids but collected experience the whole way. Im an Ogre who follows Cazic-Thule and was able to build up faction to warmly with braids alone. I had no problems turning in braids from the beginning. No sneaking, Invisi' or what ever. Just walked up, handed four braids, Repeat. I could see where at the higher levels this would be a complete waist of time (the braid hand-in). But if your in your mid 40's and looking for an easy solo area , average experience and a payoff of the hammer its well worth your time. Guess now Ill have to work on 2hb to get ready for the day I can actually use it.
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#8 Mar 09 2005 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Please note that I said KOS classes. SK's can turn in 88 braids to get to amiable provided that havent screwed up their Venril Sathir faction.

How do u screw up ur Venril Sathir faction u ask? Kill things in Kithcor Castle or kill a dragoon. If you do that, guess what? The information that I posted applies to you.

The hammer procs at 50. A lot of peeps dont work towards their mallet till they hit their mid 40's. Once peeps hit their early 40's, alot head to the Dreadlands to lvl. If you havent reached amiable by then, u will definately lose it once you start grinding in DL. Most dont realize this, and it too late to reverse the damage via braid turn in once ur Venril Sathir faction is miffed.

Maybe I needed to explain my definition of KOS better. Sorry for any confusion. If u read up about the New Worker quest, a lot of peeps use charm to do their turn in. Hope this helps...


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#9 Mar 10 2005 at 2:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Non-Iksar SKs should start out as apprehensive at the OT outpost so they shouldn't need to use any illusions or spells to start the quest, unless they lowered their faction by killing certain mobs in certain zones (Karnor's, Kaesora, to name a few). Iksar SKs, however, would start out KOS so they would need to use illusion/spells.
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Note that the braid turn in and the Worker's Sledgemallet (OT Hammer) are two seperate quests. One is for faction, one is for the item.

The illusion is necessary for the faction quest .

Charm is necessary for the OT hammer quest if u screwed up ur faction beyond repair (or if you dont want to do the faction quest).
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#11 Mar 12 2005 at 7:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I am 62 level SK and I have never been KOS in OT. I wrecked my faction by killing in Karnors Castle. But, even then I have never had a problem. That is because you are the wrong race. I am Dark Elf, so before you spout off like you are the only race of SK, think before you speak. No reference to you Shadowcloud, the duffus that responded with flames should ease up and realize he obviously doesnt know much, because he ASS-U-MEs alot. Most likely a high school kid with his reactionary demeanor. Shadowcloud, thanks for the info. It is an arduous quest and I am thinking of getting the Clockwork Talisman instead. At least I can get experience while I am attempting that quest.
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#12 Mar 15 2005 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Exactly, I'll bet ur agnostic too. U cant even do a braid turn in as an SK (if ur a DE SK, this is not a problem) or ESPECIALLY paladin (of whom u spammed this message info also).


If I were a Pally, I would play more in character (being all huggy and smoochy). Heh, welcome to being an SK nimrod. Check the post, u will see that I mentioned DE's in it.

Shadowcloud (must be his mental state) posts a kunark era quest that can be found in nearly every major class forums from EQ diva, Druids Grove, The Runes and also SK.org, and expect things to be all warm and fuzzy? Nooooooo. The guy didnt even know the name of the item or the quests involved. Then he spams almost every melee class as if he were the first to discover it. If this is ur version of quality posts, Richard Simmons has a really good web site that u should check out.

Naster, (the top SK on Ayonae Ro listed in eqrankings) taught me the Puppet strings trick about a year and a half ago. No braid turn in is required using this method, THUS saving a BUNCH of time if u can get a set of puppet strings. That alone is worth this post. Granted, puppet stings do not show up in the bazaar often. BUT, if u look for them, u will save ur self a weeks worth of grinding out braids in about 15 minutes. Take ur choice 15 minutes or weeks. If, u dont believe me, check the posts under puppet strings. MUCH BETTER WAY TO DO IT PERIOD!!

Shadowknights, u need to take a class from Squire Rex if ur gonna get my blood pressure up. Gonna take more then a one poster from guild Team Ebay with a reading comprehension lvl of grade 5 to put a dent in this SK. Check the history, I've been here a while. U?

Note.. my post is ref gameplay. Stay off the personal attacks unless u want a personal response (I'm capable of that). U can decide then how old and uneducated I am..



Edited, Tue Mar 15 12:26:57 2005 by Necrophobe
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#13 Apr 03 2005 at 4:40 AM Rating: Default
wow, necrophobe you're still ranting? well after stumbling upon this again after waondering if zerkers get "lady" title I guess some folks have nothing else to do. looky here, take the info for what it's worth to you. If that's nothing than disregard it. I'm more worried about why you'de spend so much time trying to "flame" others I mean come on. con the mobs before you get into argo range and you're all set and yes I did make an inpromtue write up of the quest as if I just found it out because A) I was bored and B) if you look any where else on Alla you wont see a write up of how to get the faction. I'm trying to help ppl get things that would be usefull but hey I'm not going to argue with fools. If you want it good luck and if you got it grats. If I helped anyone out then hey, we're all a litle better off. laters folks. (BTW, if anyone knows if female zerkers can get "Lady" title down the road fill me in, trying to give my zerker the name "Deathstrike") ; )
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/SK roleplay off

Just /ignore my rants (really). I do a lot of this a roleplay and really mean nothing by it. I have found that I get a lot more responses to the board for the pure reason that people get pi$$ed at me (lol). This thread actually has a lot of really good information on it because of it.

/SK roleplay on

Yes I'm still ranting. Think of me as the troll who lives under the bridge who eats the unwary passerby. Either ur prepared for me, or your not.

Now go away...

Edited, Mon Apr 4 11:24:33 2005 by Necrophobe
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#15 Apr 30 2005 at 5:55 AM Rating: Decent
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correction to what u said u can correct ur vs faction if u messed it up in dl or kc by going on a few druid epic raids to kill feydedar he gives a decent chunk of positive vs faction.
so if u cant afford the 100k pp puppet strings this is a viable alternative for u.
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#16 May 02 2005 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
thank you shadow for at least taking time to post something u thought helpful.

if i do anything i check it out a few places first and con con away, its dumb to expect someone else to work out every kink for you, if u have played anytime at all you know that all things are not the same for everyone .. by the time u include ur personal faction from ur own hunting expeditions, your race, your deity and all the other eq quirks no one can expect u to take them by the hand thats just stupid.

but u posted something we could take at face value and work out for ourselves tyvm.

for u that are on the attack jeez what is that about. so much whining and attack.. attack the mobs leave those trying to help alone such a waste of time.
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#17 May 09 2005 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Necrophobe is incorrect in many cases here...I won't attack you, its counter productive, but I will correct *some* of your errors and give my experience with the quest.


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Some SK's dieties will not allow u to get good faction without collecting more brades then ur inventory (to include ur bank slots) will allow.


While technically this may be correct...its very misleading. If you meant that as a long way to say "it takes a long time" then its correct, but don't make people think its an actual obstacle to complete the quests.

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There is really only one LEGAL way for an SK to get the OT hammer.


Even the most KoS sk, regardless of race can do OT hammer without puppet strings...in fact without puppet strings or braids. I have no idea what your definition of LEGAL is, but its certainly not a standard one. In fact the way you list can require the most work considering rare drop from pofear is harder to get than the other raid mobs involved. *If* you have guild with strings or can find it in the baz thats great, but it would be faster for most people to do the quest themselves the other ways then wait till they actually find the strings for sale at a price they could afford. Even farming them a guild would take months to get enough strings to get all their melee with hammers.


A hint if you do the puppet strings method as well....use a shaman and any other debuff class along with the chanter. It can make things go a LOT faster/easier. And also the captain/foreman are easy to split solo outside of the town there, no need to kite adds, your an SK for gods sake : ) pull the bastid.


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as u cannot even turn in braids without getting attacked by undead foreman



The foreman isn't even close to the braids turnin area, so /shrug.


Now for the real info:

Either get puppet strings and use the above mentioned method (I'd advice more than just ench to debuff).

Or

Check your VS faction.

If you can turn in the braids, start on that quest till you can turn in the jade...simple enough.

If you can't turn in the braids.

Either do the puppet strings

OR

Pull the captain away from his guards (FD pull), have chanter mez, and do braid turnins. (that gets you close enough faction to start, reguardless of class/race and no strings needed). Repeat until you have enough faction to turn in yourself, then do till you can turn the jade in to the foreman.

OR

Kill ...
Elven Dancer
Esorpa of the Ring
Faydedar
Gorenaire
Hoshkar
Phara Dar
Severilous
Talendor
Xygoz

for enough faction to complete either quest. (or any combo of the last 2 ways)

Most of those kills are easier than the fear raid, and if your a 60+ toon most can be one grouped pretty easy....or since you don't need loot, just tag along on another group/raid that kills them and do 1dmg to get the faction hit.

This quest is great, every non gating class who doesn't get powerleveled should have it since its easy to get no matter class/race/faction. As far as the gate neck...yes its better, but 1) it costs a lot of plat to use every day, and 2)...you have to be EP/TIME flagged and takes WAY longer. I've got both on diff chars, its not really a one or the other. If you can get the gate neck you can also get the hammer in 1-5 days most likely solo even starting max kos.


For the lvl 70 people, origin might be a good alternative now anyways, not as convient since its not to bind and for many not as close to pok, but I enjoy it on my warrior none the less.

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Excellent...

What I meant about 'Legal' is that there was a way to share no drop items among characters in the same account. This was an exploit that was plugged about 10 patches ago, so it's irrelevant now. Peeps would make a bard, get him/her high enough to play the faction song, get the hammer, then transfer it to their other toon.
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#19 Aug 15 2005 at 2:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Kithicor castle??? Where is that Mr. Flamer?
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Ummm.. DE SK innoruk and did it by turning in braids...... plz shhh
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Kithicor castle??? Where is that Mr. Flamer?


Heh, ur kidding me right?

I'm more of a board troll btw (too many diseased based spells to be classified as a flamer).

Come back after you've helped 10 or 12 shaman get their epic 1 and reconsider the question you have posted. It screams noob (not that being a noob is bad, just unlearned).

Edited, Tue Aug 23 12:44:20 2005 by Necrophobe
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#22 Sep 04 2005 at 1:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Human SK Innoruuk and Human warrior Rallos Zek both got their hammers in their mid 30's. Anyone can do the quest. Just need the patience.
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#23 Sep 17 2005 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I grinded xp on my chanter in the OT. No one wanted the braids so I collected... Then I remembered my alliance line of spells... I had the hammer at level 42. Why wouldn't I just use gate? Well... I could bind where I was farming and hammer-gate to the bank in OT.

My brother did the quest with a human warrior of Inny. I think the quest is worthwhile if you see the item as useful.
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Karnor castle not kithcor
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heh, yes... Karnor (what was I thinking?)
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There is an easier way to get OT hammer now, but it requires the ability to shroud, and to be level 50. First, you must unlock the Evil Eye Psion shroud in the Aberrations tab by progressing with the imp wizard. I did this in Field of Bone as a level 10 shroud. Next, you must be level 50 because the Undead Foreman is level 50 and the Shroud only allows you to charm monsters that are equal to your level. Then grab a Jade, and a SoW and take the OT stone. You can run along the outside of the outpost and wait for the Cliff Golem to path to the opposite side of the Entry. This next part will require you to be quick. The Undead Foreman is very magic resistant and breaks charm fairly easily. I would recommend holding your jade in your hand. Most likely it will be resisted and you will get agro on all the Dragoons, and General V'Deers, so my recommendation would be to zone back to PoK. When the charm DOES land, hand in your jade and run back to PoK to clear agro. Good luck!

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Instead of spending countless hours to faction and farming, you can spend less time to get the potion that ports you to Thurgadin. Granted, the potion is only one time use and you have to level up on pottery skill. However, you can amass enough components to last you a while after one farming.

So here is the trade off:

1) 1 time use gate potion which you have to combine after each use vs a hammer that procs gate
2) Relavtively less hours to spend initially to get gate potion, even with the time spent on leveling up pottery skill
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#28 Oct 16 2006 at 8:36 PM Rating: Good
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why the hell would anyone want to go to thurgadin.

Although the hammer is hard to use in some situations, there are many better options than thurgadin potions.
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#29 May 20 2008 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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I was hoping someone would mention the Shroud method of doing this


Great info =)

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#30 Aug 25 2008 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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bravo.
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#31 Aug 26 2008 at 3:09 AM Rating: Default
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well, youre bein a little harsh. chill out. its a game.

additionally, race/hate issues can be solved by the use of a shroud.
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#32 Aug 29 2008 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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Hammer is pretty nice, and more useful than I thought it would be.
I do keep gate potions on me though, but to suggest Thurg potions boggles me.
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