Lets face it, the EQ1 rogue is dead in the water

Why would anyone want to play this class

1) Limited "rogue" like abilities: backstab and sneak: OH BOY. Sneak where? Why? Its not like there are quests you can do that require you to sneak anywhere to do them, you will get owned when you unstealth anyway

2) Cant solo, never could still cant

3) limited group functionality. Ill take a wizard or monk for DPs thanks move along

4) crappy itemization throughout all expansions

5) never updated animations

6) spam one button on raid YIPPEE!

why is this class so terrible?

WoW did the best job on Rogues in my opinion, about the only thing WoW beat EQ1 at

You need to do the research before you post. Not one thing you posted was correct. You might also try playing a rogue.

I think he may mean for the non-raider.

Edited, Jul 16th 2007 11:23am by Reamas

The poster of this thread is obvioulsy a moron.

Back in 2004, my wife got me to play EQ for a month on the Druzzil Ro server. I built a Gnome Rogue by the name of Lars Frederiksen. I not only was able to solo, I made it all the way to level 35 in that month. And no, I did not achieve that level by grouping. I grouped on two occasions in my mid-teens and after that everyone gave me crap because:
A. I was a Rogue

and. . .

B. I was a Gnome.
Other players seemed impressed with this feat. I wouldn't know seeing as I am not into MMORPG's, I am just a gamer that was looking for a challenge. This game did not present it. I am however going to be getting back into just to piss off geeks like this dude that posted this thread.

By the way I was never "pWned LOL!1!", I kicked some heavy duty butt when I played and killed things that my wifes character could not handle.

So again, this dude needs to research.

Yes, I agree completely with.... That is, I mean to say....

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Godamnit, Odz, would you put that avatar away? I keep forgetting my name...

Edited, Nov 7th 2006 at 10:38am PST by Gladestrider

Once again someone who does not play a class commenting on the class.

As a 58 Rogue I have done more than my share of soloing my way to this level, especially in The Overthere where I picked up a lot of my poison making supplies from the cactus there. And yes I did solo the Dark Blues and the occassional yellow as well, as well as taking on 2-3 Lt Blues at the same time.

As far as limited group functionability I grouped lastnight in Velks Lab with 4 other guildmates including a monk and wizard. As far as dps goes I took aggro from the monk more times than he took it from me, and he died, not FD, twice while I lived and finished the fight both times. A note on the monk, he was 4 levels lower than me and was pulling 6-8 mobs at a time. I was also asked by one of the group members if I had cornered the market on critical hits, since I was getting a crit about 1 in 6 swings lastnight, I was using the Great Blade of Storms and Wicked Shank combination at that time due to fighting face to face with the mobs, otherwise I use Soulpiercer and Wicked Shank from behind.

With the release of Serpent's Spine, yes the animations need to be updated, but then again all the "old races and classes" need to have their animations updated.

As far as Sneak goes I used the Sneak/Hide combo to pull corpses when invis won't work, to scout out rooms full of mobs for possible group targets, run safely across some outdoor zones, to get in position to backstab, and for various other reasons.

As far as raiding goes "YAWN". I don't put as much emphasis in raiding as a lot of people on here do. I raid when I feel like it rather than when required.

As far as why is the class so terrible? Well maybe it is the person who is in control of the Rogue and trying to satisfy your limited knowledge of the class by trying to be your Tank. Rogues never were meant to be "the Tank" and never will be the tank. If you think the Rogues of WoW are so great then by all means go back to WoW, and fast do not let the door to Chardok hit you in your saddle sores as you go out it, provided you don't "ranger gate" out. LMAO

As far as gear goes I have pieced together enough gear to give me the Maximum stats possible in all categories except Int(244) and Cha(161). And it is not Time gear.

Bikininemu 58 Rogue 20 AA's <Legion of Warclaws>

Firiona Vie server
follower of Bristlebane
Officer in the Legion of Warclaws

There is also a Guild Lobby now where people summon corpses when they wipe.I dont know how being invisible saves groups.

Edited, Jul 16th 2007 11:25am by Reamas

lol... I would say 'sorry Glade' but frankly I'm not. Best damn distraction I've seen in a long time; got to find more like this one!

And I like Death in yours as well; been a while since I read Sandman.

Edited, Nov 17th 2006 at 12:51pm PST by Odzmye

OP obviously wants an argument, posting a rogue bashing thread in a rogue forum, but here goes:

Why would anyone want to play this class

1) Limited "rogue" like abilities: backstab and sneak:
Lets split these up:
1a Backstab == Enhanced DPS, nothing wrong with a special attack, most melee classes get em, so its a tad different.

1b Sneak? Not useful? Say Tod, can you sneak in there and see if mobxyz is alone? Seems this mob out front sees through regular invis...

2) Cant solo, never could still cant
Your opinion maybe, not your experiance. Rogues might not be necros but they can solo fine given situation/mob/zone.

3) limited group functionality.
I've done every group job from pulling, tanking and CC (heh kite that one away ok Tod?) at one time or another, not to mention half a dozen other things no one else can do. (Say pick that lock so we can get into Chardok ok?)

4) crappy itemization throughout all expansions
I have found lots of neat Rogue only gear not to mention lots of stuff for chain classes or WAR/Rang/Rog/Brd only if that is what you mean. Only rogues other than bards can use the illusion masks. Seems the other classes should be angry.


5) never updated animations
What does this mean? You want to see yourself backstabbing?

6) spam one button on raid YIPPEE!
Wow your raids must go great, no scouting, no corpse recovery, no locked doors, no traps...


7) All the neat stuff you get to do that no other class gets!

Sure there are some limitations but let me see a wizard evade an angry mob beating on him without evaccing (if he can get the spell off) or a monk get past a cluster of see invis mobs without flopping and waiting...To each his own.

If you do not like rogues do not play them.

What would you say about putting in locked doors (only passable by a lock-picker) like they have in Sebilis or Chardok in more zones? Or area's where you need a key pick-pocketed or absolutely need a trap disarmed? It might make Rogues (and bards) more desirable in a group if that were the case.

I would like to see more utility given to poison use. I suppose you can hide mid-fight and apply poison again and again but it takes way too much time to make it feasible in battle especially solo. I usually butter up my knife for the initial strike. It would be nice if the effect lasted for a set duration, like a 5 minute buff proc on your blade.

Im neutral about rogues but here's my take on groups and where a rogue fits in. Best groups always consists of 4 class types, a healer, a tank, a slower and a puller. DPS classes are a dime a dozen.

If you play a DPS, you contribute to a group more if you can contribute in other areas such as being able to snare, being able to slow, being able to pull, etc, etc. I always hear people ask, "Whats the best DPS class?" And my answer is always "The best DPS is a good puller." If you dont have a good puller in the group, the DPS will be idle a lot between kills.

Im not saying I hate rogues but I much prefer a monk (dps/puller), a ranger (dps/snare/attack & hitpoint buffs), a beastie (dps/slow/snare/attack & hitpoint buffs), a wizzie (dps/snare/evac), a necro (dps/snare/rezzer), a zerker (dps/snare) when forming a group and deciding on which DPS class to take.

Rogues however really are fun. I play my rogue whenever I wanna group and not have to think about other things. I only have to do one thing, just DPS and nothing else to worry about. I know it sounds like a lazy man's DPS, but thats a fact of what a rogue is.

In my opinion rogues are very much an alive class. I dont see any problems with the rogue design. Sony never meant for 1 class to be the best. If you dont like the options rogues have choose another class, yes its as simple as that. I've taken a shot at every class in the game and the rogue still remains my favorite class and i will proudly declare anywhere and under any conditions/circumstances

The guy is making good points about the class.
No need to chastize him fot it.
If there are things wrong with the class you like you have two options:
1)Voice concerns and hope to get things done
2)Say nothing and watch other classes get stronger and your become obsolete

Perfectly said. I have a level 59 rogue and he is my favorite charature. If you think the rogue is dead, fine; but I'll still be playing my rogue and having as much, if not more, fun then you.

Not dead but gettin there, I have a high end full geared rogue, max aa and all that goes with it. My guild parses everything we do, Zerkers beat us in dps from behind and blow us out of the water from the front, even wizards caught up with the TBS exp. I love the SOS ability, but all we are is dps, and we are not even number 1 in that anymore. We need a major upgrade, like a super fast refresh on escape, so we can atleast pull, or a much needed actual useful weapon urgrade so we can out parse zerkers from the back.

I'm pretty sure what Talenstorm said about Rogue abilities is pretty universal, not just on raids. Good points and I agree. And as for the 1st guy who posted, does not know anything about Rogues, and probably almost everything he said is actually the opposite.