Classes: The Rogue

Rogues - Masters of Stealth. With a variety of completely unique skills, and a fighting style all their own, rogues can be one of the more difficult classes to learn to develop and play correctly.

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Rogue Skill Training 101
#1 Feb 10 2005 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
I posted the following at the Safehouse, but no one really seems to go there much anymore. I'll post here in case anyone can use it.

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I've not been able to find a single thread that encompasses all the different skills a Fledgling Cutpurse needs to work on as he grows up, so I thought I�d try to come up with a single reference thread specifically targeting the younger days.

To preface this, I should explain what I mean when I say to use �autofire� to skill-up. There is a program floating around at EQ Hunters that Rangers use to autofire archery, meaning that instead of hitting the button once for every shot, you simply hit the button once to turn archery on, and hit it again to turn it off. Personally, I use a game pad that I�ve programmed to do the same thing. You simply make a hotkey for whatever skill you want to train, which will look something like this for a single practice:
/doability (1-6)
/pause 10

or like this for multiple skills such as sneak + hide:
/doability (1-6)
/pause 5
/doability (1-6)
/pause 10

Disclaimer: You should know that automating any action that occurs while you are away from the keyboard is a violation of the End User License Agreement, but I�ve been doing it for over a year on various puppets and have yet to hear anyone getting reprimanded for it. I think they�re much more concerned with exploits that affect leveling or platinum/items, for obvious reasons. Getting skill-ups like this is hurting no one.


Alright, now on to the skills, in no particular order!

Certain skills, like melee skills such as 1HS, 1HB, Piercing, Archery, Throwing, Parry, Riposte, Dual Wield, Double Attack, Dodge, Defense, and Offense should be trained initially (using training points at the Guildmaster) but will go up on their own provided that you use them. In other words, you need to actually rotate your different weapons for the various weapon skills to go up, and you need to get hit for defense and dodge go up. I�ll save the discussions on that for someone else. Don�t waste valuable skill points on these skills after you spend an initial 10-20 to get them started.

Other skills will not go up nearly as rapidly, unless you pay special attention to them. There are various ways to train each of them, and I�ll list the primary schools of thought on each, as I understand them.

Sneak/Hide: (sneak- level 1, hide- level 3, unless Halfling or Woodelf)
I mention these together because for the Rogue, they�re very closely linked. They also have the same level cap, and refresh at about the same rate (and thus train at about the same rate, or at least close enough).
Training options:
1) Make a hotkey using both skills, and hit it every time it refreshes while your group is recovering;

2) Use said in hotkey the same manner while standing around in the PoK, talking with friends; or

3) Make a hotkey, turn on autofire, and go to sleep/work (one in the same for some)

Sense/Disarm Traps: (Sense- level 8, Disarm- level 21)
Like sneak/hide, these skills are also very closely linked. Despite several posts to the contrary, you do NOT need to be anywhere near a trap to train these. I suggest waiting until you have learned both before you train, because there really isn�t much point in having them prior to level 20 and it�s easier to train them together.
Training options:
1) Use the same, boring method with a hotkey as mentioned previously (*yawn*)

2) Make hotkeys for each of these, and tie them into your movement keys (left, right, forward). Skills will go up very fast using this effortless method; or

3) Make a hotkey, turn on autofire. Anytime, anywhere.

Safefall: (level 12)
Not a particularly useful skill that I�ve seen, but anyway�
Training options:
1) Fall. a lot. Seriously though, there�s nothing more to it. Have someone cast Temperance and SoW on you, and head to a zone where you�re likely to fall a lot, but not be killed by a massive drop off. Stonebrunt works well for this, but unless you�re in your 50�s, you�ll need to be invisible to avoid a massive amount of adds. I haven�t worried much about training this skill�

Pickpocket: (level 7)
This is another skill of questionable value; it doesn�t seem to be a real moneymaker, but you DO need to have it to complete your Epic.
Training options:
1) Make a hotkey for combat that looks like this:
/attack off
/doability x (where x is pickpocket)
/autoinventory
/attack on
-note that if you plan to do this in a group that�s splitting the loot, you should ask if it�s ok, or even volunteer to be the main looter. Anything you manage to steal comes from loot that would normally be shared.

2) I have not yet tested this, but there are reports that certain NPCs can be pickpocketed without causing aggro. Two suggestions have been the Teleporting Gnomes on boat docks, or NPCs in the nexus. If proven to be safe, sneak up behind the NPC, and engage your autofire macro as follows:
/doability x
/autoinventory
/pause 10

EDIT: I have now practiced pickpocket on the boat gnome in Butcherblock, and have so far gotten about 10 skill-ups with no aggro from failures; this seems to be a safe way to train.

Picklock: (level 6, you cannot practice this until level 11- bug)
In order to use this skill, you�ll need to create or purchase a set of Lockpicks. Ideally, you�re going to want to acquire a set of Mechanized Lockpicks, which adds +2% to your picklock skill (made by other players with the Gnome-only skill of Tinkering). Normal Lockpicks can be purchased in most Rogues guilds.
Training options:
1) Put your Lockpicks on your cursor and left click a locked door. Personally I think the best place to do this is on the entrance to Paineel (looks like a boulder at the location your map shows as the entrance to Paineel). The boulder can be clicked repeatedly, over and over, without waiting for the entrance to reset. There are other places to skillup, such as the door in Befallen, or on the floating book in the Plane of Tranquility library, but I�ve never used them.

2) There have been reports that using the above method can be made to work with autofire, although I�ve not been able to do it. The reports indicate that the letter �U� is a default hotkey that works for picking locks, but it has not worked for me. Also, note that using the skill (macro) button to open locked doors will take a LOT longer to train, as it takes time for the skill to reset.

Disarm: (level 27)
Useless IMHO. There are better ways to waste your time.

Intimidate: (level 22)
The Rogues version of the fear spell. Great skill to use in combination with Backstab.
Training options:
1) When soloing, hit the hotkey every time it refreshes. Boring, and slow; or

2) Find an NPC in the PoK, make sure you�re at least 30 or 40 feet away, well out of melee range, target them, and hit your Intimidate hotkey. This would be sooooo much easier with autofire you say? You�re right! Hit autofire and walk away.

Backstab: (level 10)
This is one you shouldn�t ever neglect. This will ad a significant boost to your DPS when grouped, and even help when soloing. Remember the point I made about not wasting training points in the other melee skills? This is why. There�s no easy way to train Backstab, and thus using extra training points makes this go up a lot faster.
Training options:
1) Use in groups, hitting your Backstab hotkey every time it refreshes. It will go up slowly, but it WILL go up.

2) Team up with a Ranger friend (22nd level +) and help him fear-kite. He�ll definitely appreciate the added DPS.

3) Get a weapon that procs a snare spell, and use Intimidate to fear the mob (you�ve already maxed Intimidate, right?). run around behind it backstabbing as it refreshes.

That�s about it in a nutshell; everything I wanted to know but had to really dig to find. I�d definitely welcome any other suggestions, corrections, etc.

Silff Greyshade


Edited, Nov 1st 2006 at 5:05am PST by Gladestrider
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#2 Feb 23 2005 at 4:32 PM Rating: Decent
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  • Picklock

  • The U key is a default USE command it will cause you to use whatever is centered on the screen: doors, npc's, ect. Just make sure the rock in Paineel is centered perfectly in your view and the lockpicks in your hand and you can autofire the U key to up lockpick. Or you can sit there yourself hitting the U key on your own. I found this worked well while working on Hide-Sneak by just button mashing the hotkey for my HS macro and the u key.

  • Sense/Disarm traps

  • There are two things you can do to level these. Either make a BS macro and throw them in as extras... Personaly I use:

    /attack off
    /do # (Backstab)
    /do # (Sense Traps)
    /do # (Pick Pocket)
    /attack on

    At low levels most people don't care if you pickpocket, most everyone but the true greenhorns know it's required for the Rogue Epic. THis got my sense into the 80's before I even got disarm

    Second manner is just link the two in a macro and either autofire or button mash the hotkey for it while doing random things.
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    #3 Jul 28 2005 at 9:13 PM Rating: Decent
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    how do you find the ability number for:

    sneak
    hide
    sense trap
    disarm trap

    and how do you tie them to a hot key to autofire?
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    #4 Sep 10 2005 at 1:54 AM Rating: Decent
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    Pickpocket The shrooms in PC are fun to pickpocket. I worked on one for over 50 hits and finally killed it out of boredom. They aren't reliable though and sometime notice you fairly soon. My biggest giggle was successfully pickpocketing a pickpocket in PC! rofl

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    #5 Mar 12 2006 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
    The skill number of any given skill depends on where you put it in your abilites tab in your little "Actions" window. So if you put "Sneak" in the first square, then you would type "/doability 1" in order to Sneak. You can change these around at will.
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    #6 Mar 12 2006 at 1:57 AM Rating: Decent
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    forgot to add that dark elves also get innate hide of 50 =)


    oh and as for pickpocketting.. just keep it in your battle hotkeys.. when i fought i'd just turn off attack, pickpocket, attack again.. was maxed in no time..

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    Disarm: (level 27)
    Useless IMHO. There are better ways to waste your time.


    NOT true. VERY useful for generating hate if for some reason you have to tank, AND great for soloing mobs that are green but do some serious dmg with that weapon of theirs in.. also a good way to get a weapon you want without killing a mob.. melee til it drops then hit your escape key if you're that high..but yeah... just keep hitting it during fights.. that's just my experiences lol.. but i've yet to meet a rogue without disarm maxed or close to it

    Edited, Sun Mar 12 02:05:25 2006 by Paylin
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    #7 Apr 14 2006 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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    Disarms also sometimes are attacks. If you keep disarming, sometimes you actually do a normal attack, even when you're autoattack is off. While killing goblins in Butcherblock, I actually disarmed one to death!
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    #8 Oct 15 2008 at 1:22 AM Rating: Good
    *Bump* for nostalgia, and because I made a new rogue and need to remind myself how to play one ;P
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    #9 Oct 17 2008 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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    I've actually found that the best way to
    skill up on lockpicking is to click on the
    big spinning book (with lockpicks in hand of course)
    in Plane of Tranquility right as you zone in
    from Plane of Knowledge. The only drawback
    of course is not being able to zone into PoT
    until level?? but it more than makes up for it
    when you can go there.

    Edited, Oct 20th 2008 10:30pm by heavydrop
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    #10 Nov 07 2008 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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    Great Info - Thanks


    I found a Mob that cons Grey is a great target for Pick pocketing.
    The Mucktail Gnolls in Cresent Reach also work for Disarm.

    If one has a weapon in hand, I Pick Pocket till it re-acts,
    then Disarm with Auto attack off.

    Skill-ups in both Skills seem to raise steadily.



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