I have played a mage to 54 and my friend a Wizard to 57 and I can say that while the damage portion of a mages nukes with the focus items are very close to that of the wizard, the wizard does have other advantages. For one the wizard can also use the focus item for increased damage, my friend almost demands one from me when I get on heh.

Also I think that the Wizards resists and Casting times are generally a lot better, plus they have root and snare which while not making up for a pet entirely does help a lot.

The AOE snare in conjunction with the AOE nukes means that they can quad too and this is an awesome way to blitz xp. Plus they have there ports, which is a huge time saver.

All in all the two of them are a good combo...

flappys dont do damage.
And sice they cant attack they also cant tank
New GOD flappys give a impoved damage (20%) that stacks with worn Impoved damage.
So you can get a total of 65% (45 worn + 20 flappy) wich is nice :)
But to get worn Impoved damage over 20% you usualy need a raid.

To awnser my own question.
Mages whil probably do more damage pre-65
And are a better choise for xp grind groups and ldons and such.
For raiding purpose a wizzy would totaly own a mage.
(yeah coth is nice...but also not avaiable in many zones and pet damage whil get owfully mittaged my raiding mobs)

Still its weird that you 49 spell whil be your highest damage spell till you hit lvl 60 where it suddenly doubles.
Maybe a spell should be implemented in the middle of those lvls...thats always in the middle damage wise.
not that highest damage means that its better....but still



Edited, Tue Jul 20 07:19:48 2004 by bfeyter

both are good on raids, but wizzies, as of lvl about 63, do dish out more dps (not so before that lvl)....however, at lvl 65, especially with the right gear, and aa's of the spell casting fury sort, wizzies dps goes considertably up, relative to that of mage...also, multiple wizzies are rather more help on a raid than multiple mages...as a guildie once put it, wizzies STACK....just one mage, for focus items, CoH, and the like , is enough...and also, for some mobs, its actually counterproductive to have a pet (and as noted above, there ARE wizzie pets,like Flaming Sword of Xuzl, as opposed to familiars, which are just animated buffs, and can be dismissed while maintaining the associated buff). But for SOME mobs (e.g., shei vintras in Akheva Ruins) a new mob spawns whenever there is a death, including a pet death, so the FS of Xuzl, and mage pets, are not wise...on the other hand, there are mobs in Sanctus Seru for which ya GOTTA have pets, so it depends on the mob you re fighting

in pov a lvl 62 mage out nuked a lvl 63 wiz......WTF
wiz's are master of nukers no more

well lets look at it this way. mages get pet toys- almost the same nukes as wizzards do pre-60, and finally they get mod rods to help themselves out, and pets.

a wizzard gets snare,root,aoe snare for quading. We also get familiars which help with ft/resists/dps and such. But at 60+ theres a huge difference in everything. At 60 wizzards get a 2k damage nuke. at 70 they get a nuke for 4070. mages cant even nuke for 2400. mage pets dont do a ton of damage, nor do they tank very well, theyll last mabye enuf time for a gate but thats about it. with crits and improved damage wizzards cant get a top crit of over 13k. just 2 normal nukes is probally almost half of a normal mobs hp. not just that but it also is kinda cool seeing a mob like trakanon go down 2 3 wizzard nukes. kinda like dropping a mob like that in around 30 seconds.

yeah, me thinks he may have been thinking of the druid pet, booboo.

Yea its true wizzys can do that massive strike but goodluck getting the second one off

WIZZYS GOT JEWED IN THIS GAME IVE HAD MAGES OUTDAMAGE OR =DAMAGE ME ALL THE WAY TO 65 AND EVEN THEN SOME DO.

<IVE PERSANALLY SEEN A MAGE PET TANK WALL OF SLAUGHTER!!!

ya thats true that until we get to 60 a mage can out DPS us but once we hit 60 we blow them away and once 65+ comes you blow everyone out of the water........

And ya a mage pet can tank WoS..............so can a wizard.....

I have seen mages solo RSS. So yes mages can be tough.

I have never seen a mage land a 15k nuke.

Yes the wizard can. Granted it's not much.

Even oom a wizard can use AA swarm pets... or the lvl 69 sword pet, then harvest up some mana, click a mod rod sit a few tic's and be back to nukage.

The wizard is a burst dps class. not sustained.

By definition a wizard's damage is based on our mana pool.

To say something like even oom the mage can do damage is kinda hitting below the belt. As is saying Mage nukes are gimp compared to mine. (23k max)

A wizard can handle himself (or herself) just fine in almost any situation.
The nuking power of the wizard class often offsets the combined output of a
mage and his/her pet. However, the wizard has two fantastic abilities which,
for some reason or another, are often overlooked in these types of discussions.

01. SNARE: It's God-like. Use it! There's a reason this was nerfed as a
combat-active ability in EQ II. It's one of the most powerful spells
in EQ, and contribues mightily to the solo ability of classes like
the druid, ranger, necromancer, and, yes, the wizard!

02. TELEPORTS: Sure, the POK nerfed this abiliy somewhat. But there is
still nothing like ease of travel. The ability to get anywhere, fast,
is priceless. You're deep in a dungeon, having survived many a peril,
and aren't looking forward to hiking back out? No problem! POOF!
And you're back in the POK (or your city of choice), ready to sell
your loot!

The wizard is my favorite class in the game (followed closely by the druid).
And while the mage is fun in it's own right, it doesn't compare to the
wizard.

ZARKODS

I must say being in a raiding alliance, Wizards will out DPS mages. And with the right AAs and choice of spells, will still have mana to burn. And ya a mage pet is nice to have, but I have tanked WoS a few times and working on tanking MPG. It's just a matter of being setup properly.

I think this whole thread is just hillarious.I Personally have played a wizard since 1999.I started on Lany's Ty'Val and got pushed onto 7th hammer.The damage a well geared wizard can do that is not Ebayed is uncomparable to a mage.If you have your crit aa's,even way back in the day u owned them in dd.Pets yes wizard pets suck they kill themselves when you don't get hit for 20,000 points of damage (killing thesleves no mobs left ) and max hit is around 239 and no it's not a flappy P Flaming swords 2nd rank.Now a new wizard max geared with all crits and devistation can do 26,495 points per 3.5 seconds of cast if you have all your spells and a bard in grp with Frenzied bought all way out with Serpant aa's.Now wanna speak about nerfs in 1999-2002 i think if i remember right manaburn was stackable and wizards worked together and had Burn Teams.Whats a burnteam a grp of wizards that can port to an epic mob in 10 minutes max port till you get to the mob circle it and all Manaburn it.I know i know at that time manaburn could crit and had no cap on damage.Now you ask Why you bring that up cause twits complained wizards where to powerfull.Now this is my point we used what a wizard had and used it so well that wizards were nerfed not because we said hey we are to powerfull nerf us, but because Other classes which i won't name were jealous and were left out of the limelight of power as they saw it even though they had pets and other things.Even with the restored manaburn and the Serpents aa extension is it worth buying it ...Not in my opinion cause the 1 minute cool down for another cast from another wiz in zone is still in effect or u must burn exodus or evac or abscond to clear you from roster so another wizard can burn.So now here we go again.Who is the best most powerfull class Wizards cause rogues and every other class made sure to nerf them and ensure that they stayed nerfed for 5 yrs.But it doesn't end there now they are the ones on the development boards asking or the wizards MB back to help with highend mobs .SO now they have ben answered from EQ we will give back MB keep it capped at 9k x2 for crit and cost your wizard all there mana and your wizards can't re MB after the 1st does till 1 minute or he is zone cycled e abscond and all.Just my 2 cents but yes Wizard rule, we are versatile,can off root 3-4 mobs and burn all of them down if need be and we rely on ourselves for life.We can self buff spam runeslike some other casters i won't mention and snare root run nuke kill.Oh did i mention spellshields timed invis and other such great things.I know tommorrow there will be a big blog on this of how i'm wrong so before you post make a wizard get it to 35 and make a mage get it same lvl at the same time switching back and forth then flame me you will see the difference i do i have both a 75 mage and wizard...


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