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Posted: Dec 09 2004 at 2:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm very sorry I know this post is kinda old but I really have to reply to it =) I have a 52 ranger and I was stealing aggro from level 70 warrior that I was in a group with... and just so you know people think I am a great player, if the tank cannot keep aggro even at the same level they need to remake their char cause thats what a tank can do best if they know how to do it, its not us its them. Also I dont believe rangers are AVERAGE I can do the most damage in the group, I have tanked for about 90% of groups I have been in hardest zone I have tanked for thus far was PoI and that was pretty easy. You just have to like playing the char you are playing and you will be good at doing it, I have grouped with every class in the game and some people really SUCK at it yet other people are AWSOME just depends on the people and the sucky people should know that they suck and consider maby grabbing a differant class to play =) sorry its a flam so i had to flam =)
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WHOOPIE!!!!!!!
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ok heres the deal lol. rangers at any level are not tanks, if u think we can handle melle you are playin the wrong toon , if u want to melle go make a warrior or zerker or what ever besides a ranger . you can get better equipment im 57 and have 4k hps but never the less IM NOT A TANK! all tho i can handle some mobs better than some warriors iv grouped with . rangers are the best danm pullers in the game in an out side zone i can pull more mobs than monks can . monks FD ( feign dead ) absolutlu suck at higher levels OR the monks iv been groupin with just suck . my friend has monk he dose prety good so must be the players oh well anywho . rangers are kick *** pullers and one of the best dps damag per second at higher levels with aa points. most people wait till after 60 do aas but im not waitin . look into the aas see what rangers get . i hear alot of prais from higher levels about rangers . but dont matter what i say . talk to higher level peps theyll tell ya high lev rangers rock .
WHOOPIE!!!!!!!
umm, ive seen rangers in bot tanking named mobs, i dont mean the middle camp mobs i mean level 65 nameds. btw in tanking hp does matter but what makes most rangers dps and not a tank is look at your dex and str level, compared to that of your ac, if you have maxed dex and str but under 1100 ac your not a tank, if you have 1400 ac at 60 your ok, but a ture pop and higher zone tank at 60 plus should have at least 1500 ac and at least 7khp, tell you have that you should be nothing but dps, this isnt to say dps is all you can do but its what a ranger was made for, and also zerkers are not tanks, they are chain class just like rogues shamans and oh rangers, let the stupid **** palte classes tank and have 2k ac and 12000 hp, you are a ranger a dps machine, and the day you stop being dps and start trying to tank is the day you lose what a ranger is and become what 90% of the players of this game is includeing the monks who cant pull, the tanks who dont know what a taunt hot key is, and the wizzards who use 2k nukes to pull, you become crap. crap that is more of a danger to the pc's in the zone then the mobs in the zone. get your dex and your str up, get your attack up any way you can (btw an item with 20-30 attack is better then that item with 2 more str) and keep geting it up tell its maxed then worry about hp, get your hp high enough that you can take a few enrages, rampages, and flurry/reposets, then you will be what a ranger should be, a freaking whurl wind of blades/blunts that nothing can withstand, yes its nice to see rangers tanking, i even know one who can tank ep yard trash, but they will tell youthey are dps first tanks at a far second.
dont take this as a disrespect, but the fact of the matter is dps is what makes a group work, any one can get a cleric to ch a few times but it takes dps to get the mob down faster then the cleric's mana pool.
dont take this as a disrespect, but the fact of the matter is dps is what makes a group work, any one can get a cleric to ch a few times but it takes dps to get the mob down faster then the cleric's mana pool.
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no rangers arnt useless over 51, we have best track in game, great for snatching named, we add quite a bit of dps, we get good some ok buffs, and if u are frustrated with not getting a grp, put one 2gether it isnt that hard to put a good one together.
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64 ranger of brell
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incorrect, my ranger is mostly oow geared, and i MT all the time i out ac/hp alot of people, ive MTed Bot, PoV outer, even WoS when tank went ld so we can be MT if u know how to play and keep agro and are well equiped.
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I love my ranger... i have a 51 ranger and i wouldn't trade him for any other class... i think the best question is are rangers useless until lvl 51 and the answer is yes... up to lvl 51 rangers are pure dps plus snare if there's no druid around...
anyway back to the point... archery is awsome even in grps i snare immolate and plink away... now i saw where a lowbie was happy about a 40 dmg crit... thing is at 51 with no aa's i hit for 70ish regular with the mobs attention but when i am in a grp and the mob is on some1 else rangers do double dmg... heh wait till that unfaithful lvls an alt tank class to 51 and gets a poi grp with me and sees me hitting 250s rofl.. my advice is stay with it... i almost always get a tell for a grp about 5 mins after im lfg by ppl who can see the advantage of having met pick a spot to stand, bind sight on the puller, get an early target on the mob, snare dot and let the mass bow destruction begin as the chanter boons me... in shor rangers pwn almost everybody(also like to be able to go buy spels insted of research ugh...) stick with it all ye faithful and while you wait for a grp get a bo9 fo7 virt kei... whatever u can get and go kite hill giants(double, even triple kite them if u can)... peace rangers and may tunare grant u the power to pwn all like you know you can... ps ya lower lvls suck as rngr but 51+ is l337
anyway back to the point... archery is awsome even in grps i snare immolate and plink away... now i saw where a lowbie was happy about a 40 dmg crit... thing is at 51 with no aa's i hit for 70ish regular with the mobs attention but when i am in a grp and the mob is on some1 else rangers do double dmg... heh wait till that unfaithful lvls an alt tank class to 51 and gets a poi grp with me and sees me hitting 250s rofl.. my advice is stay with it... i almost always get a tell for a grp about 5 mins after im lfg by ppl who can see the advantage of having met pick a spot to stand, bind sight on the puller, get an early target on the mob, snare dot and let the mass bow destruction begin as the chanter boons me... in shor rangers pwn almost everybody(also like to be able to go buy spels insted of research ugh...) stick with it all ye faithful and while you wait for a grp get a bo9 fo7 virt kei... whatever u can get and go kite hill giants(double, even triple kite them if u can)... peace rangers and may tunare grant u the power to pwn all like you know you can... ps ya lower lvls suck as rngr but 51+ is l337
I do not find this to be true, and tracking is very useful in higher zones. For Example: When I build a group in WoS for say level 63-70 characters, I always try to get a ranger for one of the DPS slots. I do this because becasue: 1) they can track and when named mobs popo they can pull them as well, 2) they can root/snare the mobs so that they do not cause adds when they flee, 3) they can root and short term off tank an added mob while getting root to stick, and 4) ranger attack increasing buffs are just about a rogues favorite. =)
While rangers do not do as much DPS as say rogues at my level, they have lots of usefulness in a group, and unlike rogues at my level they can solo LB and some DB mobs while waiting on getting a group.
While rangers do not do as much DPS as say rogues at my level, they have lots of usefulness in a group, and unlike rogues at my level they can solo LB and some DB mobs while waiting on getting a group.
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -Henry Louis Mencken
"Ha! I laugh at danger and drop ice cubes down the vest of fear." - Blackadder
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -Henry Louis Mencken
"Ha! I laugh at danger and drop ice cubes down the vest of fear." - Blackadder
LOL Its like a Bad Dream.... It keeps coming back.
Linweil wrote:
thing is at 51 with no aa's i hit for 70ish regular with the mobs attention but when i am in a grp and the mob is on some1 else rangers do double dmg... heh wait till that unfaithful lvls an alt tank class to 51 and gets a poi grp with me and sees me hitting 250s rofl..
At 55 my ranger can double hit 250s with a 2h weapon, but quadding for those high double digit hits is still better dps overall. The only time I use a bow in a group is when the tank has some issues holding aggro - then I drop a couple shots and a jolt while the tank is building aggro so I don't have to worry about a string of procs followed by a string of jolt resists.
I'm glad you're enjoying your bow, but if you really want to help your groups, give it a lot more rest and use some decent melee weaps for the next 8 levels and 30 or so aa's.
PS. My unfaithful tank alt landed a 303 crip at lvl 35 last night ;)
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Ya... but im generally talking aboutstaying back in PoI to save heals and i use thew nightmarewood bow and immolate to lower their ac alot then with haste and boon i dealz out the dmg and cler never has to worry about healing me.... but ya when i do all that if i feel we arent taking them down fast enough ie no nuker or something i use either my copper hammer of strikeing and reinforced sandstone hilt sword for double stuns with good ratios... when we dont have an sk for massive agro i use my stained axe of the scions and curved claws generally... anyway thats my 2 cp i agree with u tho if we arent taking em down fast enough i still begin by casting and shooting then move in... i dont have jolt yet either
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As a retired level 65 ranger with over 200aa's i would just like to say that the ranger class is one of the most powerful level 60+. up untill then they are woefully underpowered and are only useful in a group situation for snare and harmony. AM3 and EQ are the 2 most important skills a ranger can have, at level 65 with trueshot enabled i would crit for 2500+. if you are willing to suffer through the early levels there is a big payoff at the end. towards the end of my everquest days, i never had to wait more that 5 minutes for a group, endgame rangers are vital to a succesful group and have the highest dps other than beastlords. rangers in my mind are one of the most fun classes to play, though i may be a little biased, and by far the best choice if you are looking for a hybrid.
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up until then they are woefully underpowered and are only useful in a group situation for snare and harmony.
Correction: YOUR ranger was woefully underpowered and only useful for snaring and rooting.
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At level 30, its always hard to find a group, regardless of class. You are always too high or too low.
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i would just like to say im a WE ranger in my 65th season have 73 aa's including am3 and eq however says ranger sux there dead wrong with my trueshot disc up im hitting mobs for over 2k and with my headshot aa im killing mobs<humanoids only blah instancly with 32000 hp finishing blow. let them read this and then say they suc ill duel ur ***** i have been sucessful in soloing murks in nc golems in pov and most mobs that root will hold on them as long as u have the room to move around. get to know ur toon and ull be suprised rangers time geared can have over 10k in hps and tank in groups np and the fact that there pure dps rocks so to ur question r rangers worthless.
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Rangers rock no questions asked. I have played for 2 years and have strugled at some points but overcome by changeing the way I play my toon. In some groups depending on others I play dps aka bow burn in others I stack on enough argo to keep casters alive when tank forgets to taunt or over nukage occurs others I play the puller/tank. In order to play the class well you must be able to read the group and fit their needs. You have an issue when slack rangers give the impression that we are gimp. I strive to improve my play style everday I log on. If you can get a group do some EQ homework and solo lots of zone are made just for us so use them examples are PoS HoH Pov. I have saved groups by being there to WS long enough for a cleric to get off a heal or tank to gain argo or group to zone out. Be agressive in your learning of this wonderful class you might find yourself sought out over better geared ranger due to your skills and group abilites. But if it aint fun reroll a true tank or what not just have fun its a game.
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Poiux
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My first and current primary toon is a rnager...just turned 51st level. I have never had a problem getting a group, enjoy the class, and can successfully solo as long as I am careful. I think the trick is to learn to use all of the abilities harmoniously. Track to target, root, DOT, rapid-fire arrows, close in for the kill, etc.
With some thinking and caution this class goes a LONG way!
With some thinking and caution this class goes a LONG way!
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Rangers are totally pimp 60+ w/ at least 50-60 AA's thier bow does about 1000 damage on AAVERAGE not critting. I love grouping w/ rangers and have started my own (63 berserker Karana) soloing...... root your target and use the new /autofire command it will save your fingers :) HAPPY HUNTING.
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thier bow does about 1000 damage on AAVERAGE not critting.
Gosh.... I would love to have that bow.
From recollection this was the "average" non-crit hit with several bows I have used over the years.
Featherwood 24/24 average normal hit was around 400
Warmasters 33/30 average normal hit was around 600
Primordial 29/28 average normal hit was around 500
My current Bow 49/38 seems to hit in the 900 range rather frequently...max non-TS crit is 1400. I really don't shoot it enough to be real sure on the average though. I also only used a Stonewood for a little while opting for the faster bows.
Be very carefull about "averages." Much depends on the mob and sometimes zone you are fighting in. A primordial bow with cold Elemental damage may parse higher in Fire (with a Cold arrow)... and not do AS well in other places. Furthermore, damage vs group experience giving mobs will be different than Raid type mobs.
My experience is that counting on 1K non-crit type of non-TS damage is a mistake. I heard those stories as well and quite frankly was dissapointed in my bow damage when I got EQ/AM3 because I beleived the 1K non-TS non-crit stories. I found out that one CRITS over 1K but that isnt your normal deal. Maybe 1-3 1-4 will be crits with a Stonewood over 1K. Much less with a Primordial or Warmasters type bow and Rarely with a Featherwood.
Alot depends on what YOU personally like. Some like the big crit potential of a Stonewood type bow. Some like me prefered the faster and more consistent damage of a Featherwood type of bow. /shrug
I carried 3 to 4 bows for situational uses. The Warmasters and Stonewood(when I had it) was my Raid bow... High lag and I would swap in the Stoney...Normal conditions I prefered the Warmasters. For grouping I used the Featherwood mostly... Warmasters when I was tanking or CCing a lot (extra AC and HPs),
Soloing I used the Primordial due to the lower delay and no root breaking proc. Haedshot I used the Featherwood.
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rangers are awesome in many ways, for 1, they great pullers, HoNature outdoors helps major, makes singles in places like PoValor and BoThunder easy, 2, though we crap for pullin ldon's, trackin names is easy enough, usually dont get a pop on track till 10min in, max track, allows for alot a the zone, ive found ldon adv. easy to find. 3, with the right weps, dps is 1 a the best, 4, Endless Quiver and Archery Mastery 3 make us 1 a the best dps classes, maybe not as good as a rouge with there insane Back Stab's, but we dont need a back, rouges kinda lose there dps if they dont got a back to hit. 4. we can 1/2 azz tank in to the 50's, not as good as say a pali, or a sk, but ya rarely see a pali or a sk in a group less they main tank, are dps so much better, imo.
any how, feel free to disagree with me, im sure many will, every one is alowed there oinion's, and this is mine, =)
any how, feel free to disagree with me, im sure many will, every one is alowed there oinion's, and this is mine, =)
Losnagos, 75'th Ranger on The Nameless, from Povar, via Morden Rasp
I kinda intruding here, I don't have a ranger ... however they are far from useless afget 51.. every WOS group I been in has asked for a ranger... so they are in demand...
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Well, worthless???? I don't think so.
Today I was outside a MPG group doing damage on a named mob. and Kill steal was the name of the game. I did Trueshot and hit my AA's of Guardian of the forest (3) and Auspice of the Hunter (2). I outdamaged the group. My attack goes up to 2250 or something like that. It was a guild group and I was there for faction and to do a little extra DPS until one of members had left the group then I was going to join the group.
They said don't TS again until I joined the group!
But this goes to show ya that our DPS can be tops.
My highest hit is 2751. Non-crit. But when you do TS on a mob and you have 11 hits (most I have had) over 2k damage that is some serious damage. MPG named mobs are down in less than a minute when I TS on them. When I don't TS the fight is a lot longer. Or they gate on ya.
Did Greg the other night and this is the second time that I was in the top 3 of DPS. If I could figure out how to not get thrown into the wall I would do more in damage and in each of these fights I did 30k+ damage on him.
I don't understand why peoples just think that once upon a time the ranger stunk that we always stink. Rangers are not tanks and are not meant to be one. Just use the Ranger for what they are capable of doing and we add a great benifit to any group. If a tank goes down we can step in for a very short time and hope that our shield disk is up and all will be fine.
Doane
69 Ranger
Today I was outside a MPG group doing damage on a named mob. and Kill steal was the name of the game. I did Trueshot and hit my AA's of Guardian of the forest (3) and Auspice of the Hunter (2). I outdamaged the group. My attack goes up to 2250 or something like that. It was a guild group and I was there for faction and to do a little extra DPS until one of members had left the group then I was going to join the group.
They said don't TS again until I joined the group!
But this goes to show ya that our DPS can be tops.
My highest hit is 2751. Non-crit. But when you do TS on a mob and you have 11 hits (most I have had) over 2k damage that is some serious damage. MPG named mobs are down in less than a minute when I TS on them. When I don't TS the fight is a lot longer. Or they gate on ya.
Did Greg the other night and this is the second time that I was in the top 3 of DPS. If I could figure out how to not get thrown into the wall I would do more in damage and in each of these fights I did 30k+ damage on him.
I don't understand why peoples just think that once upon a time the ranger stunk that we always stink. Rangers are not tanks and are not meant to be one. Just use the Ranger for what they are capable of doing and we add a great benifit to any group. If a tank goes down we can step in for a very short time and hope that our shield disk is up and all will be fine.
Doane
69 Ranger
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ranger keep up with a rogue's dps ? pshh u wish
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wass no point in this post heheh ppl on this page are praising rogues was the other page where ppl were saying they cud nvr mind heheh
Edited, Thu Apr 28 10:19:04 2005 by Poorags
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wass no point in this post heheh ppl on this page are praising rogues was the other page where ppl were saying they cud nvr mind heheh
Edited, Thu Apr 28 10:19:04 2005 by Poorags
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