rangers r never useless they rule and can kick some serious a$$ if they are in a group, twinked, or fighting lower lvl monters LOL!!!

ROUAN lol its hard to solo as a ranger if ur bow sucks and u rly cant cast ur spells and we hit faster than alot of classes or atleast i do and ive had to be a healer in an LDon and it sucked a$$

i play a ranger 65 after getting through hell in 50-60 i became a force to be recond with after 50s are done rangers shine in dps they have by FAR the best dps in game i will get a group b4 any rogues i know wizzys do however more dmg over short amounts of time but on raids its all in how many ranjas ya have to tell if ya have the dps to kill the mob




LV 65 ranger Gwynione Northwind

i am usein stonewood bow and am usin better arrows but all available to me for cryin out loud im 65 gettin better gear every day. the dmg thing on melee is rogues for instance hittin slightly faster than me doin something along the line of 100 tops a hit and 800 max BS where as my normal hits range from 500-1000 with TS on i get insane crits after am3 eq are max i seen rangers crittin 4-6k very quickly on higher gods whee as melees are just nippin at there heels...in conclusion no way an = equipment ranger and anyother melee can even be put on the same table ranger wins hands down

I think that rangers get more interesting and become more fun after 51. It is after 51 that we start to get better equipment and really start to shine. My main is currently a 56 ranger with some fabeled gear and he is grouped everytime I get on LFG.

My recomendation is to work on things like forage, archery, and other skills like that. I average my bow crits at about 300 and all I use is a stonewood compound bow. When I hit 61 and get the EQ and AM3 aa's, I will be beating off groups with a stick.

I highly suggest sticking with this class, it will really pick up before you know it.

Saitten Sadvociate
Phoenix Legion

when you can solo in elementals why group?

rangers never suck im a lvl 51 ranger excactly and i have no trouble in finding grups what so ever all ldon groups love me because my tracking is maxed for my lvl no i dont start tracking things outside the zone to be really effective in battle is to get yourself 2 very fast reasonable dmg weaps or a big not to slow heaps of dmg 2hs like a witness of hate greatstaff or a war marshals great staff then do the very easy but time consuming eyepatch of plunders and get a RBB {runed bolster belt 32 haste item} and cane your mobs a@#

I have a 51 ranger on Therris-thule and she has been 51 for over a year now because yes it is true Ranger's such. My ranger was my first character. I have had her for over 3 years. Hoping they would some day "fix" the ranger class. Because, yes they such and yes no one wants a ranger when they can have say a warrior or a monk. Lots of luck on Sony ever fixing the ranger class. Personally I've begun to wonder who at Sony has something against rangers.

Edited, Tue Sep 21 11:58:05 2004 by Portia

I did find it somewhat hard between levels 50 and 62 or so to get groups. Once you get some good AA you'll be a powerhouse damage wise.

As a 55 level ranger, I know rangers don't suck at 50 through 55, but I also know that when we're in groups that we have to know what we're doing. We can solo some in the low 50's, provided we hunt in the right zones, say Jagged Pine Forests. In most groups, we won't be the main tank, but we can still do lots of damage, and with our utility spells we can heal/cure our selves or others so the real healers focus on the tanks. Tracking is also very useful in LDoN Dungeons to find the named mobs. Of course taunting is good for getting mobs off of casters. Another key to not sucking is to have the best gear you can own. Finally, dedicated hunting in some zones can really help you to purchase stratigic pieces of armor and weapons.

Gladestrider is so right.

I have been grouping in GE for the past few weeks.(went from 58 to 61 and have added 10 AA's to my list)

I started getting people to send me tells by getting in good with a cleric. Once people saw what I could do between 51 and 53 er so. Now i dont have a problem getting groups, even without EQ/AM3(still workin on those). With Harmony and Jolt pulling is sooooo easy, also makes the tanks life easy(thats if you can find a decent tank).

I grouped with a monk on several of those GE groups. We both ended up in a pickup group and the cleric say Monk you go pull. The monk say no let the ranger pull, he can chain pull(exp goes way up). His point he made to group it takes me too long to pull when im flopin on the group to split mobs.

Another fine point is with decent gear( not EP or Time) I can tank and tank most of the time in GE becuase the warriors and Pallys cant keep aggro( and no im not pullin aggro, im shooting bow or backin off then stepin back in, or chain Jolting mobs). With just decent gear I tank and hold aggro better than most warriors and Pallys( theres always an Exception to every rule).
With snare and one dot I hardly ever lose aggro.
We had a 67 rogue in GE last night matter fact with me tankin at 61 she never grabed aggro from any mobs.( she was BS for 300 average and critting sometimes over 1k. I know she wasnt trying hard to out dps me,(becuase i have seen her in raids hit for over 2k sustained damage with disc's) but even her normal was drawin aggro from the 58 warrior we had in group.

Now i know im long winded, But Ill leave you with this. Any TOON and I mean ANY can suck or be the best thing since sliced bread. Its all about who is behind the toon and how well they know their class. So singling out one class and saying this class sucks and im not groupin with them is just wrong. I think everyone should get a fair chance and prove themselves to be great or to suck. Now get out there and have some FUN.

I've recently just got the OoW expansion, and have been grouping in Dranik's Scar with some guildies.

My main grouping partner is a 64 SK (used to be closer in levels, but he plays a lot more than I do, lol) and we usually have a rogue and a cleric with us. We pull to Tibor (the big red Dragorn on the ledge) and we hardly have any downtime.

I started pulling with my arrows or just running by them to get the aggro, but I was having a hard time losing it quickly once I got the 3 mobs or so back to the camp. But after reading what Gladstrider said about pulling with Jolt (I'm using Cinder Jolt) the adds are much more manageable. (I don't know why I didn't think of that before, thanks Gladestrider for pointing that out)

The 1st mob comes in after being hit with jolt, the SK pulls off of me, the other mobs come in after me, I pull them away from the camp, root one at a time, and then hit each of the adds with Jolt. By the time I'm ready to help melee, the first is down, the 2nd is being off-tanked by the skelly pet and the 3rd is pretty much almost gone from the SK and rogue now. Most of the time I don't even melee, I just go right back out and keep the mobs coming. It's a great source of XP and some good augs are dropping there (which are upgradeable).

Anyway the whole point of this post is that if I had this zone when I was 51 I would have been just as useful pulling here. Anytime you are grouping in an outdoor zone (and Grieg's, lol), Rangers can manage adds and aggro effortlessly.

And as a response to those that say Rangers suck because they can't tank: WE ARE NOT TANKS. Our armor class and mitigation allows us to avoid hits and take damage just long enough to get that ROOT spell casted off. We are the masters of dealing damage without taking it. Admittedly archery is not the best form of damage, but it IS damage. If you figure that, uneffected by any focus effects, the 3 DoTs I use while root-rotting (Swarm of Pain, Drones of Doom, and Immolate) do a total of 88 points of damage per tick, archery easily adds 30-80 non-crit damage per hit. (I say 30-80 because of variations of DEX, Arrow, and Bow) And depending on your haste item and clicky (Eyepatch of Plunder) you're actually hitting 2 or 3 times for every tick of the DoTs. All the whole time you're not being hit, because you're out of melee range. You land another root, melee at 20% (not those hard hitting 100 per hit quads, though) and walk away with between 75-85% HP and one dead mob.

Some argue for snare-kiting mobs rather than root-rotting them, but if you're not getting the double damage archery bonus from having a non-rooted stationary mob, I say you might as well stay in a safe spot, rather than running backwards all over the zone and being surprised by adds.

Rangers are a great class to play and by no means suck...if you know how to use them. Some people are just better suited for other classes. That's not to say that those players are bad players... but I just don't see myself playing a wizard, ya know?

You (and several others) might want to check the date on that post. Its older than dirt. When the post was made rangers DID have a problem, something that is no longer the case.